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2012-04-09 02:43:23 PM
26.media.tumblr.com

/Oblig.
//True, too.
 
2012-04-09 02:43:38 PM
So perhaps instead of blaming the gays for turning our children gay, we should get all up in arms in outrage over asshole parents.
 
2012-04-09 02:43:59 PM
A hater is a hater. Whether they hate me simply because I'm gay, or if they hate me because they hate the gay in themselves doesn't really much matter to me in the end.

/perhaps I should have finished that sentence differently
 
2012-04-09 02:44:06 PM

steamingpile: Psychological tests are usually wrong


Not nearly as often as bare assertions.
 
2012-04-09 02:44:14 PM
60% of the time, it's homo every time
 
2012-04-09 02:44:52 PM
So if the anti-gays are actually gay, and I don't care who farks whom, does that mean I'm a closeted gay-hater?
 
2012-04-09 02:44:53 PM
"Lesbian! I was thinking you wanted to tell us about your first lesbian experience..."
"No. Thanks, but no."
"Okay... Maybe later?"

- Steven Colbert and a gay rights activist at 2004 Democratic Convention

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-9-2004/minority-report (new window)
 
2012-04-09 02:45:29 PM

anuran: Molavian: What's your stance on the issue?

The GOP and the Catholic Church share the same wide stance on the issue


Family Values Republicans?
 
2012-04-09 02:46:02 PM

actualhuman: bigpeeler: Oh, it's a "study". Well that makes it official.

Damn liberal elites with their "facts" and "statisticals".


I'm not going to pretend all research is b.s. - clearly that would be a lie. But my respect for 'scientific papers' and 'studies' has gone down faster than a drunk chick at a frat house; since I've begun my graduate studies. It used to be that, in cases like this; I'd read the title, assume the 'report/paper/study' *must* be correct and treat it as such.

After having read more published papers than I'd like to, and having seen how (once you get past the fancy words and math symbols) a majority of a lot of papers is really just crap. In fact, *computer-generated gibberish* has been successfully published in a large number of prestigious scientific journals. Then you've got people who get busted for falsifying (IE making up utter BS, pull some charts out of their butt and sticking it into a paper) their work - in fields were it's all but impossible to do that (implying it's far more common, given that only a small percentage would get busted).

Now - before I have any opinion; I need to waste a lot more of my time and read the details of the research. Most of the time, the details aren't available - you get a summary in a press release; then you get to some journal that will give you the abstract and you can pay $9.95 for a .pdf of the real paper. Which, of course, I'm not going to do. In fact, I can't imagine anyone doing that. Anyone doing serious research will be associated with a University which has access to it.

Still, this summary is based off of four experiments that are loosely explained. The specifics of the data aren't included. The specifics of how they selected the college students to participate in the studies isn't included.

I'm not suggesting the people involved in this study did anything less than amazing, scientifically sound work. But I am suggesting it's *possible* that it's all bullshiat. Particularly, when the findings are going to be newsworthing, interesting, or politically charged; it sure would be *easy* massage the data to fit whatever you want, in ways that would be acceptable.

I'll admit, it makes arguing on Fark a lot less fun; when I refuse to accept or reject the findings of a study without doing the leg-work myself; until it's an industry-accepted standard. But that's really the only sane thing to do, IMHO.
 
2012-04-09 02:46:19 PM

moops: [www.afterelton.com image 375x500]


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-04-09 02:46:30 PM
Is Subby trying to let something out?
 
2012-04-09 02:46:49 PM

steamingpile: Bullsh*t.


Preach it, girlfriend!
 
2012-04-09 02:46:51 PM

Brytanica1: Cythraul: Dubious. I keep cruising redneck gatherings and other social events for the common rube only to have my advances rejected.

Maybe I'm just not their type.

You just need to work on your seduction technique.


I say this as someone who spent many a summer night in a pickup truck with one foot on the gun rack and another out that little window in the cab.


I'm jealous. I'm never able to nail any hot redneck tail.
 
2012-04-09 02:47:14 PM
My favorite study in this vein was one done at The University of Georgia several years back.

They brought in a bunch of guys and determined their level of homophobia through a questionnaire / interview process.

Next, they put this measuring device on their penis (heh, penis) and showed them porn.

They were all subjected to heterosexual and homosexual pornography.

Guess which group (homophobes or non homophobes) got a big ole erection during the homosexual male pornography!

The abstract of the study (new window)
 
2012-04-09 02:47:15 PM
Does that make conservaphobes and Republiphobes closeted conservatives and Republicans? Because I'm seeing a lot of that here.

\When did you stop beating your wife?
 
2012-04-09 02:47:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Honestly, I don't really need a study to tell me what I see as obvious.

Do I think all homophobes are secretly gay? No.

Do I think A LOT of homophobes are secretly gay? Yes.


Good for you, but that's your opinion, not something scientifically testable and reproducible.
/posting on FARK does not count as a refereed scientific journal. Usually.
 
2012-04-09 02:48:49 PM

Trackball: Does that make conservaphobes and Republiphobes closeted conservatives and Republicans? Because I'm seeing a lot of that here.


Not unless it involves sex.
 
2012-04-09 02:50:27 PM

Armand Tanzarian: I worked with a guy who was vehemently anti-gay, you could just see the utter disgust on his face when discussing the subject. I asked him one time why he hated gays so much and he replied, "It's giving in to your body's deepest, darkest desires." Oh, okay buddy, whatever you say.


I forget who said it on Fark, but paraphrasing along those lines, most of the people that are rabidly homophobic think that everyone has the same constant, insidious desire for the cawk that they do and hate themselves for. They fear "recruitment" because they know deep down they would be easy to "recruit."
 
2012-04-09 02:50:39 PM

actualhuman: bigpeeler: Oh, it's a "study". Well that makes it official.

Damn liberal elites with their "facts" and "statisticals".


If by that you mean they are better at labeling things 'facts' that aren't and grabbing random b.s. out of thin air in order to make it look like they are quoting statistics (new window), you'd still be 97% correct with a margin or error of +/-3%.
 
2012-04-09 02:50:39 PM

Galloping Galoshes: HotWingConspiracy: Honestly, I don't really need a study to tell me what I see as obvious.

Do I think all homophobes are secretly gay? No.

Do I think A LOT of homophobes are secretly gay? Yes.

Good for you, but that's your opinion, not something scientifically testable and reproducible.


Yes, I know. That's what I was saying, I don't require a study for this. Enough exposure to the world and people lead me to this conclusion.
 
2012-04-09 02:52:25 PM
What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?
 
2012-04-09 02:53:12 PM

Raging Thespian: What a queer topic to study. Here you are sashaying gaily along when an idea suddenly comes in your head that you should take a poll on this subject. Lez be honest here, once Santorum is president we won't have to worry about this stuff spurting all over the pages of Fark.


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2012-04-09 02:53:37 PM

Silly Jesus: Guess which group (homophobes or non homophobes) got a big ole erection during the homosexual male pornography!

The abstract of the study (new window)


Regardless of the actual results of the study (and Fark_Guy_Rob brings up some damn important points), I find it hilarious that we've moved from "You're gay, what's wrong with you?!" to "You're homophobic, what's wrong with you?!".

Obviously I like the change, but it's still amusing to see people applying science to it.
 
2012-04-09 02:53:46 PM

Armand Tanzarian: I asked him one time why he hated gays so much and he replied, "It's giving in to your body's deepest, darkest desires."


LOLLERSKATES.
 
2012-04-09 02:54:09 PM

DoctorCal: steamingpile: Psychological tests are usually wrong

Not nearly as often as bare assertions.


not sure if you were going for this, but...

imgs.xkcd.com

i read that as "... often bare ass insertions"

/ a little bit of a stretch, but whatever
 
2012-04-09 02:54:11 PM
www.gmanreviews.com
 
2012-04-09 02:54:31 PM
Here's the thing -- anyone who thinks being gay is a choice is by definition not straight. I don't mean this flippantly, but logically -- if you think there is any chance that you might choose to be in a gay relationship you are not straight, because the idea is hugely adverse to straight people.

And vice versa for gay people: I have a gay cousin, and once we asked him why he didn't like women. He said that "they reminded him of spiders, and the idea that they have eggs inside them grosses him out." In other words, his aversion to women is similar to an aversion to spiders -- a low-level physical aversion.

And even if you were inclined to be gay, actually being openly gay has so many downsides in our society that most actual gay people stay closeted for a significant portion of their life. There is simply no way that someone would wake up and consciously choose to be discriminated against and even put their life in danger to do something that is gross to them.

Anyway, if you have to "choose" to not be gay, then you are not straight. If you're thinking "boy I'd like to be gay, but I won't act on it because the Bible says it's wrong" you are gay. I really wish someone would call out any Conservative talking about "lifestyle choice" -- they are simply gay.
 
2012-04-09 02:55:00 PM

Cythraul: I'm jealous. I'm never able to nail any hot redneck tail.


You don't have any gay bars with Southern boys in Raleigh? I find that a little hard to believe.
 
2012-04-09 02:55:19 PM
There are pretty much 2 types of Homophobes

1) Closet homos, just like TFA

2) people who got accused of being a homo a lot even though not like guys with girly first names, or guys that just plain look and sound like they should be a homo even though they aren't, people who pot PITA in PMITA prison, etc.
 
2012-04-09 02:56:34 PM

Diogenes: Cythraul: I'm jealous. I'm never able to nail any hot redneck tail.

You don't have any gay bars with Southern boys in Raleigh? I find that a little hard to believe.


There's a tiny bit of a difference between 'southern,' and 'redneck.' :)
 
2012-04-09 02:56:53 PM
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Keep up the Great Work!
 
2012-04-09 02:57:20 PM

taurusowner: What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?



Well, how else are you going to get good at it?
 
2012-04-09 02:58:02 PM

taurusowner: What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?


Don't suck a dick?
 
2012-04-09 02:58:21 PM
Poop thread?
 
2012-04-09 02:58:47 PM

Bag of Hammers: taurusowner: What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?


Well, how else are you going to get good at it?


"How do you get into Carnegie Sodomy Hall?"

"Practice, practice, practice!"
 
2012-04-09 02:58:49 PM

Cythraul: Diogenes: Cythraul: I'm jealous. I'm never able to nail any hot redneck tail.

You don't have any gay bars with Southern boys in Raleigh? I find that a little hard to believe.

There's a tiny bit of a difference between 'southern,' and 'redneck.' :)


Watch the latter. That's how I got my bottom teeth driven through my mouth between my bottom lip and chin. Flattery is not always accepted, especially in a mixed crowd.
 
2012-04-09 03:00:17 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: In fact, *computer-generated gibberish* has been successfully published in a large number of prestigious scientific journals.


Citation please
 
2012-04-09 03:00:45 PM
I wish I wanted cock. I'd get so much more sex than I do now.
 
2012-04-09 03:01:23 PM
This is not the first study to suggest something like this:

Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? (new window)

Abstract: The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
 
2012-04-09 03:02:29 PM

FuturePastNow: I wish I wanted cock. I'd get so much more sex than I do now.


That's always been one of the more fun gay stereotypes people have thrown at me. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it is fun for people to tell me how much sex I should be having and then sort of staring at me, like I'm behind on my ass-sex quota for the month or something.
 
2012-04-09 03:02:39 PM

GilRuiz1: Very interesting. So that means that religion-bashing FARK atheists are probably quiet church-goers and have secret prayer closets where they repent of their public denouncements of religion.


Well, no. The question is, why are people homophobic? Why would any straight man have a problem with another man choosing to be gay? There's no logic to it. They're not going to hit on my wife.

And don't give me that biblical argument. There's a ton of stuff in the bible that religious people don't observe.
 
2012-04-09 03:02:42 PM

Diogenes: Cythraul: Diogenes: Cythraul: I'm jealous. I'm never able to nail any hot redneck tail.

You don't have any gay bars with Southern boys in Raleigh? I find that a little hard to believe.

There's a tiny bit of a difference between 'southern,' and 'redneck.' :)

Watch the latter. That's how I got my bottom teeth driven through my mouth between my bottom lip and chin. Flattery is not always accepted, especially in a mixed crowd.


I was kidding about me cruising redneck establishments. Believe me, I know to keep my sexuality very subdued around the straights, especially rednecks.
 
2012-04-09 03:02:50 PM

jabelar: Here's the thing -- anyone who thinks being gay is a choice is by definition not straight. I don't mean this flippantly, but logically -- if you think there is any chance that you might choose to be in a gay relationship you are not straight, because the idea is hugely adverse to straight people.

And vice versa for gay people: I have a gay cousin, and once we asked him why he didn't like women. He said that "they reminded him of spiders, and the idea that they have eggs inside them grosses him out." In other words, his aversion to women is similar to an aversion to spiders -- a low-level physical aversion.

And even if you were inclined to be gay, actually being openly gay has so many downsides in our society that most actual gay people stay closeted for a significant portion of their life. There is simply no way that someone would wake up and consciously choose to be discriminated against and even put their life in danger to do something that is gross to them.

Anyway, if you have to "choose" to not be gay, then you are not straight. If you're thinking "boy I'd like to be gay, but I won't act on it because the Bible says it's wrong" you are gay. I really wish someone would call out any Conservative talking about "lifestyle choice" -- they are simply gay.


That's a little black-and-white. Kinsey's scale rates orientation from 0 (completely straight) to 6 (completely gay). A rabidly anti-gay conservative may "choose" to be straight if they're a 1 or a 2. Resist cock your whole life because your wife meets 80% of your sexual needs, mix in a dash of repression and bam, you're straight.

An honest and self-respecting 1 or 2 on the scale may occasionally suck cock for kicks but still "round up" to straight. It's identity vs. orientation and is a nuance most social conservatives can't grasp while they work to keep our society shiatty.
 
2012-04-09 03:03:14 PM
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2012-04-09 03:04:18 PM

taurusowner: What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?


The practice?
 
2012-04-09 03:05:07 PM

taurusowner: What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?


Don't do it if you're not interested. Beyond that... what's there to disagree with?
 
2012-04-09 03:05:54 PM
People want to be right. People want validation. People want to be loved. Unfortunately, these three things don't always work together. I was one of those kids in high school, and I'm just thankful I had awesome parents and friends. I can't imagine going into adulthood still having those conflicting feelings.

You can question the study and statistics (bravo Fark_Guy_Rob: for the rational well put response) but the amount of simple minded confusion of correlation and causation is always astonishing in these threads. "So every atheist is secretly religious" "democrats are republicans" ad nauseum is such a blatant flare of ignorance.
 
2012-04-09 03:06:22 PM

Cythraul: Diogenes: Cythraul: Diogenes: Cythraul: I'm jealous. I'm never able to nail any hot redneck tail.

You don't have any gay bars with Southern boys in Raleigh? I find that a little hard to believe.

There's a tiny bit of a difference between 'southern,' and 'redneck.' :)

Watch the latter. That's how I got my bottom teeth driven through my mouth between my bottom lip and chin. Flattery is not always accepted, especially in a mixed crowd.

I was kidding about me cruising redneck establishments. Believe me, I know to keep my sexuality very subdued around the straights, especially rednecks.


We used to have a southern/biker/leather gay bar here in town. Closed many years ago. That was my usual haunt.

The bashing incident was on Halloween, downtown.
 
2012-04-09 03:07:21 PM

Wyrdbrthr: FuturePastNow: I wish I wanted cock. I'd get so much more sex than I do now.

That's always been one of the more fun gay stereotypes people have thrown at me. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it is fun for people to tell me how much sex I should be having and then sort of staring at me, like I'm behind on my ass-sex quota for the month or something.


Women get that too: "Oh my god, stop biatching, you can have sex any time you want."

Nooo... You're thinking of women you notice. You know; all the good looking ones.
 
2012-04-09 03:07:47 PM

PlatinumDragon: taurusowner: What about those who aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just disagree with the practice?

Don't do it if you're not interested. Beyond that... what's there to disagree with?


It offends them so much they don't even want to allow people to do it completely out of sight, sound, and mind.
 
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