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(Charlotte Observer)   Citing her job, Hillary Clinton will skip the National Democratic Convention. Presumably, she's referring to her job as president in 2016   (charlotteobserver.com) divider line 72
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2012-04-09 01:09:06 PM  
Hillary will never be President. I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.
 
2012-04-09 01:51:11 PM  

EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.


I would actually be surprised if she didn't. SecState is a physically demanding job.
 
2012-04-09 01:57:36 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

I would actually be surprised if she didn't. SecState is a physically demanding job.


I think that's been the pattern anyway: Warren Christopher resigned after Clinton's first term and was replaced by Madeline Albright, Colin Powell resigned after George W. Bush's first term (though he should have resigned before presenting that bullshiat dog & pony show about Iraq's supposed "weapons of mass destruction" to the United Nations.) So, yeah, my guess will be that assuming Obama is re-elected, she'll announce her resignation soon afterwards...and then get her 2016 exploratory committee up and running.
 
2012-04-09 02:08:06 PM  

jake_lex: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

I would actually be surprised if she didn't. SecState is a physically demanding job.

I think that's been the pattern anyway: Warren Christopher resigned after Clinton's first term and was replaced by Madeline Albright, Colin Powell resigned after George W. Bush's first term (though he should have resigned before presenting that bullshiat dog & pony show about Iraq's supposed "weapons of mass destruction" to the United Nations.) So, yeah, my guess will be that assuming Obama is re-elected, she'll announce her resignation soon afterwards...and then get her 2016 exploratory committee up and running.


Won't she be damn near 70 by the time 2016 rolls around?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-09 02:55:22 PM  
When she appears to accept the VP nomination the surprise factor will guarantee media coverage of an otherwise pointless event.
 
2012-04-09 03:15:30 PM  
Hillary will probably be VP this term or return to the Senate, I don't think she wants the SecState job for another 4 years. Not because she doesn't like it, but because she needs a reprieve while she decides how she wants to spend the rest of her life.
 
2012-04-09 03:16:51 PM  
She's already publicly stated on multiple occasions that she would not serve a second term as SecState.
 
2012-04-09 03:19:15 PM  

netweavr: Hillary will probably be VP this term or return to the Senate, I don't think she wants the SecState job for another 4 years. Not because she doesn't like it, but because she needs a reprieve while she decides how she wants to spend the rest of her life.


Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden
 
2012-04-09 03:19:57 PM  
Or she could just decide to retire and live the rest of her life out of public office.
 
2012-04-09 03:20:14 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: netweavr: Hillary will probably be VP this term or return to the Senate, I don't think she wants the SecState job for another 4 years. Not because she doesn't like it, but because she needs a reprieve while she decides how she wants to spend the rest of her life.

Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden


She isn't that young anymore. I'd anticipate deliberate choices not nefarious plots.
 
2012-04-09 03:20:28 PM  

EvilEgg: Hillary will never be President. I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.


She already said she would not serve a second term.

Hillary not attending the convention is kinda a big deal since she has gone to it for decades. I think she sees her work as Sec. of State as her legacy, so she's keeping the office above the political B.S. Good for her.
 
2012-04-09 03:21:09 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden


If that is the democrat's 2 choices in 2016, retread old guards who are simply running because it's "their turn", then prepare to say hello to President Rubio
 
2012-04-09 03:21:18 PM  

EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.


If Obama wins but McConnell becomes majority leader, the confirmation process to replace Clinton, Geithner, and any other one-termers could be months and months of ugly. It won't be friendly even if Reid keeps the leadership.
 
2012-04-09 03:37:31 PM  

Lost Thought 00: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden

If that is the democrat's 2 choices in 2016, retread old guards who are simply running because it's "their turn", then prepare to say hello to President Rubio


Yeah, Hillary and Biden are just too old to run for 2016 at this point. Biden would be 73 and Hillary would be 68. I'm assuming a promising younger Senator or Gov in 2016. Maybe an Obama cabinet member as a longer shot.
 
2012-04-09 03:38:33 PM  

jake_lex: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

I would actually be surprised if she didn't. SecState is a physically demanding job.

I think that's been the pattern anyway: Warren Christopher resigned after Clinton's first term and was replaced by Madeline Albright, Colin Powell resigned after George W. Bush's first term (though he should have resigned before presenting that bullshiat dog & pony show about Iraq's supposed "weapons of mass destruction" to the United Nations.) So, yeah, my guess will be that assuming Obama is re-elected, she'll announce her resignation soon afterwards...and then get her 2016 exploratory committee up and running.


And look for Fox News to characterize it as "a rat fleeing a sinking ship".
 
2012-04-09 03:40:51 PM  
She has done a much better job as Secretary of State than I expected, at this point, I think it has done a good job of giving her political experience beyond being a first lady. I would at this point have no problem voting for her in 2016.
 
2012-04-09 03:41:20 PM  
You mean Elizabeth Warren's job?
 
2012-04-09 03:42:41 PM  

ZAZ: When she appears to accept the VP nomination the surprise factor will guarantee media coverage of an otherwise pointless event.


THIS.

An Obama/Clinton ticket would be devastating to the GOP in today's political clime.
 
2012-04-09 03:43:25 PM  
Lawnchair

EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

If Obama wins but McConnell becomes majority leader, the confirmation process to replace Clinton, Geithner, and any other one-termers could be months and months of ugly. It won't be friendly even if Reid keeps the leadership.


In 2005, Reid earmarked a spending bill to provide for building a bridge between Nevada and Arizona that would make land he owned more valuable.

Reid had used campaign donations to pay for $3,300 in Christmas gifts to the staff at the condominium where he resides.

And yet, he keeps winning Nevada.
 
2012-04-09 03:43:54 PM  

PonceAlyosha: You mean Elizabeth Warren's job?


Warren/Franken 2016.
 
2012-04-09 03:44:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden

If that is the democrat's 2 choices in 2016, retread old guards who are simply running because it's "their turn", then prepare to say hello to President Rubio


I don't see Biden running, TBH. As others have said, he'll be in his '70s (and we saw how many favors that did McCain), and let's face it, as bright as he is, he has a real problem with the filter between his brain and his mouth. There's a reason he was just another also-ran in 2008 until Obama tapped him for the veep job.

That said, I'm not sure who will run. I don't see very many Democrats that can really do what Obama did, capturing the attention of a nation. Clinton may make one last go of it, but I'm really not sure who else. Then again, a lot can change in 4 years... after all, in 2004, Obama was a junior Senator.

I do find your tone here funny, though. After all, it seems like more the Republican propensity to run someone because it's their "turn" (like Dole and Romney).
 
2012-04-09 03:46:13 PM  

quatchi: PonceAlyosha: You mean Elizabeth Warren's job?

Warren/Franken 2016.


Actually, I do like Warren. She'd be excellent.
 
2012-04-09 03:46:33 PM  
Going by the article, she's required to remain partisan. She couldn't attend even if she wanted to.

FTA...But various federal statutes and the State Department's ethical guidelines will keep Secretary Clinton in Washington.


"Given her current position, she will not be attending, consistent with her not engaging in any political activity whatsoever," Philippe Reines, spokesman for the Secretary of State, told the Observer in an email Friday.
 
2012-04-09 03:49:31 PM  
SoS actually seems like a preferable job to PotUS. Less trivial bullcrap and while you have to be diplomatic, you're not spending half your time sucking up and pandering.
 
2012-04-09 03:51:08 PM  

quatchi: PonceAlyosha: You mean Elizabeth Warren's job?

Warren/Franken 2016.


"[T]here are millions of Americans whose livelihoods rely on strong protections for intellectual property: middle-class workers - most of them union workers - in all 50 states, thousands of them here in Minnesota, working in a variety of industries from film production to publishing to software development.

If we don't protect our intellectual property, international criminals - as well as legitimate businesses like payment processors and ad networks - will continue to profit dishonestly from the work these Americans are doing every day. And that puts these millions of jobs at serious risk.

That's reason enough to act. But these criminals are also putting Minnesota families in danger by flooding our nation with counterfeit products - not just bootleg movies and software, but phony medications and knockoff equipment for first responders.

We cannot simply shrug off the threat of online piracy. We cannot do nothing.

I have supported the approach Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy has taken in crafting legislation to respond to the threat of online piracy - and I appreciate his leadership on this important issue.

But I've also been listening carefully to the debate - and to the many Minnesotans who have told me via email, Facebook, Twitter, and good old fashioned phone calls that they are worried about what this bill would mean for the future of the Internet.

Frankly, there is a lot of misinformation floating around out there: If this bill really did some of the things people have heard it would do (like shutting down YouTube), I would never have supported it."

-Franken, justifying his stupidity on an important issue through condescension and fear mongering.
 
2012-04-09 03:58:35 PM  

PonceAlyosha: You mean Elizabeth Warren's job?


Book it, done.
 
2012-04-09 04:00:04 PM  
Man, it looks like the Obama Chicago Mafia really did a number on her.

*coughs*
 
2012-04-09 04:00:10 PM  
I don't think she's interested in the White House any more, not after the last race.
 
2012-04-09 04:02:35 PM  

karnal: Lawnchair

EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

If Obama wins but McConnell becomes majority leader, the confirmation process to replace Clinton, Geithner, and any other one-termers could be months and months of ugly. It won't be friendly even if Reid keeps the leadership.

In 2005, Reid earmarked a spending bill to provide for building a bridge between Nevada and Arizona that would make land he owned more valuable.

Reid had used campaign donations to pay for $3,300 in Christmas gifts to the staff at the condominium where he resides.

And yet, he keeps winning Nevada.


Lol, wut? The skybridge was a combo of pork and homeland security. The bridge was specifically built to keep the traffic off the dam, not to inflate property values.

Stick to the facts, they are damning enough without the hyperbole.
 
2012-04-09 04:03:28 PM  
FTA:

This year, she's secretary of State. And as the country's chief diplomat, she's expected to stay above all things partisan.


But various federal statutes and the State Department's ethical guidelines will keep Secretary Clinton in Washington.


So, in other words, this isn't really much of a story, is it? With these two sentences, you could have told the whole story. Thank God they didn't turn this 'Not News' piece into some kind of a slideshow...
 
2012-04-09 04:14:25 PM  

PonceAlyosha: You mean Elizabeth Warren's job?


fapfapfap
 
2012-04-09 04:18:08 PM  
vysharra

karnal: Lawnchair

EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

If Obama wins but McConnell becomes majority leader, the confirmation process to replace Clinton, Geithner, and any other one-termers could be months and months of ugly. It won't be friendly even if Reid keeps the leadership.

In 2005, Reid earmarked a spending bill to provide for building a bridge between Nevada and Arizona that would make land he owned more valuable.

Reid had used campaign donations to pay for $3,300 in Christmas gifts to the staff at the condominium where he resides.

And yet, he keeps winning Nevada.

Lol, wut? The skybridge was a combo of pork and homeland security. The bridge was specifically built to keep the traffic off the dam, not to inflate property values.

Stick to the facts, they are damning enough without the hyperbole.



No hyperbole....They were facts.....if you don't think he stood to make a lot of money from this venture, then you must be.......from Nevada or California.
 
2012-04-09 04:20:54 PM  

sprawl15: -Franken, justifying his stupidity on an important issue through condescension and fear mongering.


Hmm, the only stupidity I saw in that post was yours.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-09 04:22:51 PM  
The other 2016 candidate to watch out for is whoever gives the big speech at this year's DNC. Bill Clinton and Obama got national attention that way. Clinton went on the talk show circuit in 1988 or 1989 to turn an awful speech into more publicity.
 
2012-04-09 04:27:47 PM  

EvilEgg: Hillary will never be President. I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.


She's said that she wouldn't stick around for a second term. Obama will beg her to stay, which may or may not be a good thing (she'll be pretty burnt-out by 2013).

She's logged more miles than the President in the last four years, so if she wants a rest, she deserves it.
 
2012-04-09 04:28:13 PM  

karnal: vysharra

karnal: Lawnchair

EvilEgg: I suspect she will resign as Sec. State shortly after the election.

If Obama wins but McConnell becomes majority leader, the confirmation process to replace Clinton, Geithner, and any other one-termers could be months and months of ugly. It won't be friendly even if Reid keeps the leadership.

In 2005, Reid earmarked a spending bill to provide for building a bridge between Nevada and Arizona that would make land he owned more valuable.

Reid had used campaign donations to pay for $3,300 in Christmas gifts to the staff at the condominium where he resides.

And yet, he keeps winning Nevada.

Lol, wut? The skybridge was a combo of pork and homeland security. The bridge was specifically built to keep the traffic off the dam, not to inflate property values.

Stick to the facts, they are damning enough without the hyperbole.


No hyperbole....They were facts.....if you don't think he stood to make a lot of money from this venture, then you must be.......from Nevada or California.


I would love to know what property he owned and how much the values have increased since the bridge opened. Do you have any sources?
 
2012-04-09 04:31:03 PM  

sprawl15: -Franken, justifying his stupidity on an important issue through condescension and fear mongering.


Yeah, I get that people are still pissed at his support of SOPA/PIPA and probably CISPA too when that shows up, given his background in the entertainment industry I really didn't see his vote going any other way.

So that disqualifies him for you in 2016? Fair enuff.

Who's your 2016 Dream ticket?
 
2012-04-09 04:46:42 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Lost Thought 00: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden

If that is the democrat's 2 choices in 2016, retread old guards who are simply running because it's "their turn", then prepare to say hello to President Rubio

Yeah, Hillary and Biden are just too old to run for 2016 at this point. Biden would be 73 and Hillary would be 68. I'm assuming a promising younger Senator or Gov in 2016. Maybe an Obama cabinet member as a longer shot.


Christ, I SO have no interest in Hillary running. My HUGE problem with this is the whole "their turn" thing. Particularly if they're trying to shoehorn a woman into the spotlight. Why the hell does it HAVE to be Hillary?

Now, I don't know much about her, but I'd like it if the Dems started bolstering Kathleen Sibelius, if they really wanted a woman. Dem from a Red State, high profile, seems okay from her wiki page.

I'm just tired of the push for Hillary if she's the only, obvious choice (though I suspect the whisperings of 'Hillary as VP' were mostly started by Repubs to get people to turn on Obama, at least to see if the vitriol against Hillary was as strong as it used to be).
 
2012-04-09 04:48:02 PM  

mitchcumstein1:
Won't she be damn near 70 by the time 2016 rolls around?


On election day 2016, she would be about nine months younger than Ronald Reagan was on election day 1980. Plus, women have a slightly higher life expectancy than men do.

2016 would be her absolute last shot, though (not counting a possible 2020 re-election bid).
 
2012-04-09 04:49:45 PM  
She will not run for President in 2016, she will be 69 (hehe... ew gross) that year. McCain was 72 when he ran and Reagan was 70 his first campaign.
 
2012-04-09 04:49:57 PM  

netweavr: Hillary will probably be VP this term or return to the Senate, I don't think she wants the SecState job for another 4 years. Not because she doesn't like it, but because she needs a reprieve while she decides how she wants to spend the rest of her life.


Obama is sticking with Biden. She's not going to run for the Senate. She is going to leave her current job, though (too bad, because she was great at it).

She's going to debate about whether or not to go for the big job one last time.
 
2012-04-09 04:50:23 PM  
Or what Geotpf said.
 
2012-04-09 04:54:26 PM  

Six_By_Nine: ha-ha-guy: Lost Thought 00: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Nah. She stays out of it for a year or so, then starts vying for the Dem nom against Biden

If that is the democrat's 2 choices in 2016, retread old guards who are simply running because it's "their turn", then prepare to say hello to President Rubio

Yeah, Hillary and Biden are just too old to run for 2016 at this point. Biden would be 73 and Hillary would be 68. I'm assuming a promising younger Senator or Gov in 2016. Maybe an Obama cabinet member as a longer shot.

Christ, I SO have no interest in Hillary running. My HUGE problem with this is the whole "their turn" thing. Particularly if they're trying to shoehorn a woman into the spotlight. Why the hell does it HAVE to be Hillary?

Now, I don't know much about her, but I'd like it if the Dems started bolstering Kathleen Sibelius, if they really wanted a woman. Dem from a Red State, high profile, seems okay from her wiki page.

I'm just tired of the push for Hillary if she's the only, obvious choice (though I suspect the whisperings of 'Hillary as VP' were mostly started by Repubs to get people to turn on Obama, at least to see if the vitriol against Hillary was as strong as it used to be).


My personal choice for President in 2016 (overall, not just amoungst women) would be Elizabeth Warren. Of course, that's assuming she wins her Senate race first.
 
2012-04-09 05:02:57 PM  

ZAZ: When she appears to accept the VP nomination the surprise factor will guarantee media coverage of an otherwise pointless event.


So much this.

Obama needs to lock this up early. Hillary will do that. She has been an excellent SoS.
 
2012-04-09 05:08:21 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

/hot like the salty sting of Boehner's tears...
 
2012-04-09 05:11:24 PM  

Geotpf: My personal choice for President in 2016 (overall, not just amoungst women) would be Elizabeth Warren. Of course, that's assuming she wins her Senate race first.


Okay, fair enough. That said, though, she may need to serve as senator for some time. It's well known that Hillary didn't run during her first term in the senate because she didn't want it to look like she was just using the position as a stepping stone (hardy-har-har). Warren may decide to take the same tactic. But who knows? She could be unbelievably invigorating in '16, the way Obama was in '08 (Incidentally, I'd read at some point that he planned to run for President, just not as soon as '08). The best the Repubs will have is probably Huntsman (barring some unknown rising in the meantime). So, she may have a hell of a shot, in which case I say, bring 'er on.
 
2012-04-09 05:15:47 PM  

Geotpf:
My personal choice for President in 2016 (overall, not just amoungst women) would be Elizabeth Warren. Of course, that's assuming she wins her Senate race first.


An actual left of center Democrat as POTUS...will we live to see the day?
 
2012-04-09 05:38:13 PM  

Six_By_Nine: Geotpf: My personal choice for President in 2016 (overall, not just amoungst women) would be Elizabeth Warren. Of course, that's assuming she wins her Senate race first.

Okay, fair enough. That said, though, she may need to serve as senator for some time. It's well known that Hillary didn't run during her first term in the senate because she didn't want it to look like she was just using the position as a stepping stone (hardy-har-har). Warren may decide to take the same tactic. But who knows? She could be unbelievably invigorating in '16, the way Obama was in '08 (Incidentally, I'd read at some point that he planned to run for President, just not as soon as '08). The best the Repubs will have is probably Huntsman (barring some unknown rising in the meantime). So, she may have a hell of a shot, in which case I say, bring 'er on.


Yeah, she would be sort of a "female Obama", at least in terms of non-academic governmental experience, if not in actual age (she's only two years younger than Hillary). He only served two thirds of a Senate term before he became President.

Minus1Kelvin: Geotpf:
My personal choice for President in 2016 (overall, not just amoungst women) would be Elizabeth Warren. Of course, that's assuming she wins her Senate race first.

An actual left of center Democrat as POTUS...will we live to see the day?


A lot also depends on the early tone for the Republican nominee. I figure that they will double down on the derp after Romney loses (under the theory "we lost because we didn't nominate a Real Conservative"). It will also be Santorum's "turn" to get the nomination in 2016 (the Republicans love nominating the guy who finished second the last time around).

Against Santorum, Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton would have a chance at winning in the general, so being fairly left wing will not be a problem (and Warren would be a much better candidate than somebody like those two).
 
MFL
2012-04-09 05:45:39 PM  
Being the only adult in the Obama Administration she does deserve a break from the insanity.
 
2012-04-09 05:53:58 PM  
Subby, she's clearly referring to the fact that she's third in line for the presidency.

Constitutionally, you have the president, the vice president and the secretary of state, in that order. Should something happen to Obama, she would be in control there, in the White House, pending the return of the vice president and in close touch with him. If something came up, she would check with him, of course.
 
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