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2012-04-09 08:35:16 AM  
GO, RED SUX!!!1
 
2012-04-09 09:28:16 AM  
I still don't understand why Saltalamacchia didn't throw to 3rd to get Cabrera on that wild pitch in the 11th. On the replay, it looked like he had him dead to rights.

Not that I'm complaining...
 
2012-04-09 09:46:56 AM  
Fail? ummm how about spiffy for the Motor City Kitties, Subtard

Cabrera and Prince will combine for 246 home runs this year.

/go Tigers!
 
2012-04-09 09:49:31 AM  
Bobby V will say something moronic within the next week and the shiatstorm will begin.
 
2012-04-09 09:56:27 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I still don't understand why Saltalamacchia didn't throw to 3rd to get Cabrera on that wild pitch in the 11th.


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Because he has no arms?
 
2012-04-09 09:56:53 AM  
the topping on a classic Red Sox meltdown

Sounds like a delicious dessert.

/salted with the tears of Bostonians?
//meanwhile the Yanks are 0-3 :/
 
2012-04-09 09:57:27 AM  
I'm looking forward to the Tigers/Rays series. It'll be nice to see if the Tigers sweep of the Sox was more Sox-suck or Tigers-rock.
 
2012-04-09 10:02:38 AM  
Hooray free Extra Innings til the 15th! I watched that game and a few others this weekend.
 
2012-04-09 10:04:22 AM  

Arkanaut: the topping on a classic Red Sox meltdown

Sounds like a delicious dessert.

/salted with the tears of Bostonians?
//meanwhile the Yanks are 0-3 :/


Nothing will top the lulzly panic of the start of last season, so I'll just sit on my hands for a few months.

/at least we can both enjoy the early season talk of Toronto and Baltimore fans about how they'll win the division
 
2012-04-09 10:05:58 AM  
Let's go 0-162! Might as well try to be perfectly horrible.
 
2012-04-09 10:07:28 AM  

meanmutton: I'm looking forward to the Tigers/Rays series. It'll be nice to see if the Tigers sweep of the Sox was more Sox-suck or Tigers-rock.


I would say a little bit of both. Yesterdays game did not engender confidence in either bullpen.
 
2012-04-09 10:08:37 AM  

PunchDrunkPanda: Arkanaut: the topping on a classic Red Sox meltdown

Sounds like a delicious dessert.

/salted with the tears of Bostonians?
//meanwhile the Yanks are 0-3 :/

Nothing will top the lulzly panic of the start of last season, so I'll just sit on my hands for a few months.

/at least we can both enjoy the early season talk of Toronto and Baltimore fans about how they'll win the division


We might not win, but now we can take 3rd and make it to the playoffs.
Go Jays!!!

/Dear God we have absolutely no pitching this year and I think our bullpen has put in more innings than our starters.
 
2012-04-09 10:14:13 AM  

Arkanaut: //meanwhile the Yanks are 0-3 :/


YAY!!!!!1! :D :D : D :D

soopey: meanmutton: I'm looking forward to the Tigers/Rays series. It'll be nice to see if the Tigers sweep of the Sox was more Sox-suck or Tigers-rock.

I would say a little bit of both. Yesterdays game did not engender confidence in either bullpen.


Not with a final score more reminiscent of football...
 
2012-04-09 10:15:34 AM  
Yeah, I went to ritualized sacrifice and a Red Sox game broke out (new window)
 
2012-04-09 10:16:03 AM  
Tigers fan here.

It might be just as accurate to say "Tigers meltdown" as well; it wasn't a good game by the Tigers pitching staff either. Not that I'm trying to make excuses for Boston, just pointing out that the headline is not the fairest of headlines to Boston.

/Go Tigers!
 
2012-04-09 10:18:18 AM  
 
2012-04-09 10:21:37 AM  
Boston fans were whiners when they win. Hate to find out how much they belly ache losing.
 
2012-04-09 10:23:41 AM  

Techhell: Tigers fan here.

It might be just as accurate to say "Tigers meltdown" as well; it wasn't a good game by the Tigers pitching staff either. Not that I'm trying to make excuses for Boston, just pointing out that the headline is not the fairest of headlines to Boston.

/Go Tigers!


are you saying the White Sox have a chance this year?

/we stinks
 
2012-04-09 10:26:36 AM  
Yup, this is going to be a rebuilding year.

Having the manager and the GM at odds with each other (rumored) does not help either.
 
2012-04-09 10:27:07 AM  
GO CUBS!! I mean, it's only been, what, 104 years, BUT YOU CAN DO IT!!!1!
 
2012-04-09 10:31:25 AM  
The pitcher shook off the catcher twice on the Walk-Off pitch. I've always been a strong advocate of letting the catcher do his job. It's the catcher's job to know where the batter is weak and where the pitcher is strong. He probably knows better than you on which pitch is best in the situation. It's best just to go with whatever he says.
 
2012-04-09 10:34:36 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Boston fans were whiners when they win. Hate to find out how much they belly ache losing.


It's kind of a chortle right now.
 
2012-04-09 10:36:03 AM  

Arkanaut: the topping on a classic Red Sox meltdown

Sounds like a delicious dessert.

/salted with the tears of Bostonians?
//meanwhile the Yanks are 0-3 :/


Not only that but the Orioles are 3-0!!! Man if they playoffs were today.
 
2012-04-09 10:36:57 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I still don't understand why Saltalamacchia didn't throw to 3rd to get Cabrera on that wild pitch in the 11th. On the replay, it looked like he had him dead to rights.


These games were full of stuff like that. The Red Sox fan in my office is freaking out right now about their pitching, but their field defense was the really awful part. Elsbury, in two different games, dropped a ball that landed in his glove, including a 3-run double yesterday. How many infield singles did the Tigers have? I think Prince goddamn Fielder had an infield single. One of the runners in the 9th inning yesterday (Boesch) came from an infield single. The Sox couldn't get the ball out of their gloves half the time.

Pitching depth isn't that hard to fix, between trades and backing a truckload of money up to Roy Oswalt's house in June, but the Sawks are gonna have a long year if they keep giving away runs like that.
 
2012-04-09 10:39:56 AM  

CCCarnie: The pitcher shook off the catcher twice on the Walk-Off pitch. I've always been a strong advocate of letting the catcher do his job. It's the catcher's job to know where the batter is weak and where the pitcher is strong. He probably knows better than you on which pitch is best in the situation. It's best just to go with whatever he says.


Throw the next one at the mascot.
 
2012-04-09 10:41:55 AM  
Hay guise did the Royals win a game yet? Kthxbi
 
2012-04-09 10:43:48 AM  

theurge14: Hay guise did the Royals win a game yet? Kthxbi


They did. In fact, they won two.

/And Rangers fans appreciated them for it.
 
2012-04-09 10:44:08 AM  

ignatius_crumbcake: sigdiamond2000: I still don't understand why Saltalamacchia didn't throw to 3rd to get Cabrera on that wild pitch in the 11th. On the replay, it looked like he had him dead to rights.

These games were full of stuff like that. The Red Sox fan in my office is freaking out right now about their pitching, but their field defense was the really awful part. Elsbury, in two different games, dropped a ball that landed in his glove, including a 3-run double yesterday. How many infield singles did the Tigers have? I think Prince goddamn Fielder had an infield single. One of the runners in the 9th inning yesterday (Boesch) came from an infield single. The Sox couldn't get the ball out of their gloves half the time.

Pitching depth isn't that hard to fix, between trades and backing a truckload of money up to Roy Oswalt's house in June, but the Sawks are gonna have a long year if they keep giving away runs like that.


Delmon Young had two infield singles on Saturday. There are glaciers that move faster than Delmon Young on the basepath.

Sox defense was atrocious - can't win games with stupid mistakes like that.

/Tigers fan
// At thursday and saturday games
 
2012-04-09 10:45:01 AM  
The Detroit TV and radio calls are more fun: (new window)
 
2012-04-09 10:45:44 AM  
alright everyone. i know you feed off the tears of red sox fans but its a lil early to count them out. my yanks are 0-3 as well. im sure yanks and sox will get it together. plus they played a tigers team that has some scary hitting right now and probably all year. yanks played the rays which are a good team as well.

meltdown? no.
a good tigers team? YES!!
please dont take anything away from them.
 
2012-04-09 10:48:05 AM  
You know what other team started 0-3?

Link (new window)
 
2012-04-09 10:50:13 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: CCCarnie: The pitcher shook off the catcher twice on the Walk-Off pitch. I've always been a strong advocate of letting the catcher do his job. It's the catcher's job to know where the batter is weak and where the pitcher is strong. He probably knows better than you on which pitch is best in the situation. It's best just to go with whatever he says.

Throw the next one at the mascot.


Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.
 
2012-04-09 10:52:46 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Boston fans were whiners when they win. Hate to find out how much they belly ache losing.


Were you born in 2004? The whining before then was pretty obnoxious, too.
 
2012-04-09 10:54:58 AM  

Arkanaut: //meanwhile the Yanks are 0-3 :/


So?
 
2012-04-09 10:57:45 AM  

hbk72777: You know what other team started 0-3?

Link (new window)


This one? (new window)
 
2012-04-09 11:03:57 AM  
The series that start tonight should paint a more telling picture, where the Yanks face the Trollioles and the Red Sox face the Jays.
We should see how the bottoms of all four rotations look, plus get a second look at the aces.

The Jays aren't a bad team at all, but let's face it, the Indians have been handing them their wins, and I'm not impressed with that Indians team to start with.
The O's played against a truly awful Twins team.

We'll find out this week.

/Let's go Yankees!
//I lurrrrve baseball!
 
2012-04-09 11:17:40 AM  

PunchDrunkPanda:
/at least we can both enjoy the early season talk of Toronto and Baltimore fans about how they'll win the division


The division? Last time the Yanks and Sox both went 0-3 the O's swept the Dodgers in the World Series!

/Honestly I would just like to see even the chance of them breaking .500 come the end of September.
 
2012-04-09 11:18:28 AM  
Neither the Sox nor Yanks were particularly inspiring this past weekend.

Hell, I was expecting the Sox to lose Sunday in some fashion, so I was busy watching Jeremy Hellickson in his usual "meh" expression just yawn and scratch his balls through a near CG shutout.
 
2012-04-09 11:25:55 AM  

Killer Cars: Neither the Sox nor Yanks were particularly inspiring this past weekend.

Hell, I was expecting the Sox to lose Sunday in some fashion, so I was busy watching Jeremy Hellickson in his usual "meh" expression just yawn and scratch his balls through a near CG shutout.


The main thing that's concerning me about the Yankees is Teixeira's apparent inability to do jack shiat against a shift and Granderson having not found his stroke yet. CC and Hughes weren't horrible (Kuroda.. ehhhhh..) and the blown save from Mo shouldn't have even happened given how may the Yankees LOB that game. The error by "E"duardo Nunez pretty much set the tone for the second game, and watching Ibanez get completely eaten up by a fly to right didn't inspire confidence either.
 
2012-04-09 11:26:27 AM  
Whenever Eric Hosmer enters the state of California, seismologists have to compensate for his presence. They call it the Hosmer Effect.
 
2012-04-09 11:32:12 AM  

bangmaid: Fail? ummm how about spiffy for the Motor City Kitties, Subtard

Cabrera and Prince will combine for 246 home runs this year.

/go Tigers!


I like the cut of your jib.

Adding Fielder to the rotation, well, if I had a farm I'd bet it on the Tiggies going all the way this year.

Verlander WILL get the MVP this year
 
2012-04-09 11:41:15 AM  
Interesting start.
 
2012-04-09 11:43:53 AM  
Best Team Evah!
 
2012-04-09 11:55:15 AM  

browneye: The Detroit TV and radio calls are more fun: (new window)


I like that MLB includes both the TV and radio calls on the replays.
 
2012-04-09 11:58:55 AM  
I basically mentioned this in Opening Day Thread # 716, but:

Aceves, 2011: .231 BABIP, 80.1 LOB%, 4.03 FIP, 4.77 xFIP....2.61 ERA.

When I mentioned this, I was asked to explain what this all meant.

BABIP is the batting average on balls in play. So if the hitter makes contact, the ball doesn't land found, and it doesn't end up a home run, this is the percentage of those that end up hits. Contrary to what everyone thought for decades, pitchers have little to no control over this number, and it tends to fluctuate somewhat wildly. You would expect a pitcher to have a BABIP somewhere between .270 and .300, maybe .330, and Aceves should be no different. So if Aceves ends up with just a .270 BABIP (still on the low end of normal), that means he's going to let up 16% more hits on balls in play this year. If it's a .300 BABIP, that's 30% more.

LOB is "left on base." What percentage of runners fail to score. This is another stat that pitchers tend to have very little control over. You'd expect a LOB around 70%. A LOB of 80 says that when runners got on, Aceves tended to be pretty lucky (most likely an affect of his low BABIP), meaning he let up a lot less runs than he should've.

FIP & xFIP are two different measures of what his ERA "should" have been. It attempts to strip away the effects of luck & defense, both of which are major components of ERA (this is why ERA isn't as good of a stat as people think). Both of them predict future ERA better than ERA itself. If a player's FIP is a point & a half higher than his ERA, and his xFIP is 2 points higher, that means he got really lucky...and we'd expect the following season for his ERA to be in the area of that FIP/xFIP.

All together, everything suggests Aceves will have an ERA around 4 - 5. Again, I don't like ERA, but I suspect anyone who likes the idea of Aceves having a key role in the pitching staff does. That should give any of those people pause.

One caveat: It IS possible that none of this applies to Aceves. Every season has involved an ERA that's lower than his FIP. His career BABIP is a paltry .239, and his career LOB is 78.1%. MAYBE Aceves is the rare pitcher who can control this stuff. But it's doubtful. One of the few guys who might be able to is Rivera: his career BABIP is .262 (with a LOB of 80.1%). Pedro Martinez is at .279 & 75.9%. Anyone comfortable with saying that Alfredo Aceves can control this stuff better than Pedro?

It's much more likely that the cause is the fact that Aceves has only 240 career IP. Last year, Verlander pitched 251 IP with a .237 BABIP and a LOB of 80.3...yet his careers are a much more believable .284 and 73.4
 
2012-04-09 12:08:23 PM  
The Braves and Red Sox seem to still think it is September/October.
 
2012-04-09 12:13:30 PM  

srhp29: The Braves and Red Sox seem to still think it is September/October.


Well, the Red Sox got swept by the presumed AL Central winner. What's the Braves' excuse?
 
2012-04-09 12:16:32 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Boston fans were whiners when they win. Hate to find out how much they belly ache losing.


17-year old Boston haters were whiners when the sox won, I guess we'll see how much they belly ache when the Sox have a losing season.
 
2012-04-09 12:17:13 PM  

The Bestest: srhp29: The Braves and Red Sox seem to still think it is September/October.

Well, the Red Sox got swept by the presumed AL Central winner. What's the Braves' excuse?


Honestly, I think the Braves lineup has about as much heart as a farking turnip.
 
2012-04-09 12:19:08 PM  
Who gives a fark when the Dbacks just swept the Giants.
 
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