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(AlterNet)   "Authoritarian people have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape factual challenges to their beliefs"   (alternet.org) divider line 329
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2012-04-09 07:53:59 AM
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-04-09 08:14:38 AM
i37.tinypic.com
"no farking shiat."
 
2012-04-09 08:19:18 AM
www.mediaite.com

oblig
 
2012-04-09 08:20:39 AM
I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.
 
2012-04-09 08:29:33 AM

keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.


HA!

This is what you get from the LSM

FOX FOX FOX!
 
2012-04-09 08:37:02 AM
[Obvious] tag busy watching CNN.
 
2012-04-09 09:06:07 AM

keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.


I went ahead and highlighted the key word in your post to help answer your question.
 
2012-04-09 09:08:50 AM
It is pretty astounding. They'll even provide charts that show 138% of the nation hates Obama for you.
 
2012-04-09 09:08:57 AM
CNN is guilty of being mindless too but they don't play a Libz Libz Libz Derp Derp Derp record 24/7
 
2012-04-09 09:11:41 AM

keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.


Oh yeah libtard, well I'll have you know I also get my news from breitbart, american thinker, WND, the washington times annnnd the NY Post! now who's not informed?
 
2012-04-09 09:14:44 AM

Headso: keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.

Oh yeah libtard, well I'll have you know I also get my news from breitbart, american thinker, WND, the washington times annnnd the NY Post! now who's not informed infromed?


FTFY.
 
2012-04-09 09:15:45 AM
I just like having my faiths confirmed. Whether it be at church by my minister or at home by my news channel, I just feel better knowing Im right and others are wrong.
 
2012-04-09 09:16:07 AM

Guidette Frankentits: CNN is guilty of being mindless too but they don't play a Libz Libz Libz Derp Derp Derp record 24/7


Yeah. There's a difference between 'mindless schlock' and 'pure propaganda'.

Most news channels are the former. FOX is an unholy combination of the two.
 
2012-04-09 09:16:17 AM
No obvious tag, subby?
 
2012-04-09 09:17:08 AM
Those big bad Republicans. Anyone who doesn't believe in what the left believes in is a Nazi, crazy, uneducated, hillbilly...
 
2012-04-09 09:17:46 AM

Guidette Frankentits: CNN is guilty of being mindless too but they don't play a Libz Libz Libz Derp Derp Derp record 24/7


Both sides suck, but that doesn't mean they suck equally.
 
2012-04-09 09:17:48 AM
My old boss used to watch Fox News AND CNN, thinking he was getting both sides of the story.
 
2012-04-09 09:18:18 AM
So, Republicans are the only people who run away when their core beliefs are challenged? The only people who like hearing things that jive with their overall worldview?

I'm just grateful that the discipline of psychology is here to give us such concrete, infallible results, which can be replicated at will.

/speculation and confirmation bias are a powerful duo
 
2012-04-09 09:20:17 AM

NeverDrunk23: Both sides suck, but that doesn't mean they suck equally.


So vote republican.
 
2012-04-09 09:20:17 AM

LordJiro: Guidette Frankentits: CNN is guilty of being mindless too but they don't play a Libz Libz Libz Derp Derp Derp record 24/7

Yeah. There's a difference between 'mindless schlock' and 'pure propaganda'.

Most news channels are the former. FOX is an unholy combination of the two.


It's about 2/3rds pure.
 
2012-04-09 09:20:44 AM

agr8guy182: Those big bad Republicans. Anyone who doesn't believe in what the left believes in is a Nazi, crazy, uneducated, hillbilly...


Facts?
 
2012-04-09 09:20:50 AM
What about Editorians and Publisherians? Don't they get their own news channels too?
 
2012-04-09 09:21:21 AM

Headso: keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.

Oh yeah libtard, well I'll have you know I also get my news from breitbart, american thinker, WND, the washington times annnnd the NY Post! now who's not infromed?


ftfy
 
2012-04-09 09:21:33 AM
The word you're looking for is jibe.
 
2012-04-09 09:22:34 AM

LarryDan43: I just like having my faiths confirmed. Whether it be at church by my minister or at home by my news channel, I just feel better knowing Im right and others are wrong.


Well, the "others are wrong" is the most important part.

Those libby lib libtards on NPR are all "there may be other, equally valid viewpoints" but how can others be right if they disagree with me?
 
2012-04-09 09:22:40 AM

Lost Thought 00: What about Editorians and Publisherians? Don't they get their own news channels too?


okay. that was funny.

/in a grooooaaaaaaaaan kind of way
 
2012-04-09 09:24:40 AM
This just in - Chris Burke's circle of friends more informed than Fox News viewers (and more considerate of where they put their drool).
 
2012-04-09 09:25:13 AM
motherjones.com (new window)
 
2012-04-09 09:26:32 AM
Learning about ingroup and outgroup dynamics and methods of propaganda and pandering has completely ruined Fox News for me. We need a more sophisticated form of sophistry for those educated people who still cling to Republican ideals.
 
2012-04-09 09:26:47 AM
Over several years of debating right wingers, I've come to a number of inescapable conclusions about them. One of the biggest being they absolutely do NOT take kindly to having their beliefs questioned or put into any environment of doubt. They cling to them feverishly as a child clings to a teddy bear, unwilling to even consider that what they believe could be wrong. They do not go in search of information to find "the real story" about a particular issue, they seek out only that which which reaffirms what they already think they know. When presented with opposing viewpoints or actual facts that disprove what they believe, they react with out-of-hand rejection, attempts to destroy the air of legitimacy of the source of the information, blame shifting, and flat out "making things up" to avoid having to admit what they think they know is complete bullshiat.

Hence, the popular invoking of such boogeymen as "the lamestream lefty Soros funded media" and the ever population "Satan did it!" defenses.

Personally, I think the American right has lost their collective marbles. They've become pawns of a moneyed hierarchy that, through careful research, psychological profiling and strategically worded "dog whistle" talking points, have convinced close to half the population of the country that the other half is the "enemy" and that to combat them they must follow the path laid out for them by organization like Fox while being totally oblivious that they are ultimately going against their own best interests.

They seem to be oblivious also to the fact that Fox News is actually a foreign owned media conglomerate who have no loyalty or allegiance to the United States except as a source of income. It means nothing to them to sow the seeds of division amongst out population as long as it means money in the bank. Unfortunately, those who have fallen under their spell are of a sub-standard enough intellect that this is totally lost on all of them.

(sigh)
 
2012-04-09 09:28:21 AM

imontheinternet: So, Republicans are the only people who run away when their core beliefs are challenged? The only people who like hearing things that jive with their overall worldview?


The article was about authoritarians. It's nobody's fault if that appeals to republicans.
 
2012-04-09 09:29:31 AM
As long as the libs have MSNBC to spew their hate of the Right, they really have no right to fling barbs at Fox.

Nor do conservatives have a right to fling barbs at MSNBC.

In the end it's a wash. And I'm okay with that.
 
2012-04-09 09:30:31 AM
It's a terrible form of symbiotic relationship, the Fox viewer and the Fox propagandist. Fox enables them, by giving the viewers the affirmation they want, and lets Fox deceive them with their falsehoods.
 
2012-04-09 09:32:20 AM

coeyagi: agr8guy182: Those big bad Republicans. Anyone who doesn't believe in what the left believes in is a Nazi, crazy, uneducated, hillbilly...

Facts?


Don't forget...
"Reality has a liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert
 
2012-04-09 09:32:28 AM

keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.


LOL GO HUG A TERRORIST, LIBTARD
 
2012-04-09 09:32:32 AM
Wow, a blast from the past with Alternet. That's some intriguing linking there, subby.
 
2012-04-09 09:32:34 AM

Lost Thought 00: What about Editorians and Publisherians? Don't they get their own news channels too?


I chuckled.

They do have their own website: Link (new window)
 
2012-04-09 09:34:25 AM
This is a very good source of information on the inescapable connection between Authoritarianism and Republican Conservatism.

3.bp.blogspot.com

From the book...
"Conservatives without conscience do not have horns and tails; if they did they would be easier to identify. Many of them can be quite pleasant, but at heart they are tough, cold-blooded, ruthless authoritarians. They are limited in their ability to see the world from any point of view other than there own, and they are narrow in their outlook. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are prototypical conservative leaders without conscience.

Right-wing authoritarians employ a number of psychological tricks and defences that enable them to act fairly beastly, all the while thinking they are 'the good people'. To begin with they have relatively little self-understanding. For instance, they do not realize they are more prejudiced and hostile than most people. In fact, they do not realize any of the many undesirable things that research has discovered about them. Second, right-wing authoritarians have very compartmentalized minds, and they can just pull off a Scarlett O'Hara ("I'm not going to think about it!') whenever they want.

Probably about 20 to 25 percent of the adult American population is so right-wing authoritarian, so scared, so self-righteous, so ill-informed, and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds. They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had improved as a result. The problem is that these authoritarian followers are much more active than the rest of the country. They have the mentality of 'old time religion' on a crusade, and they generously give money, time and effort to the cause. They proselytize; they lick stamps; they put pressure on loved ones; and they revel in being loyal to a cohesive group of like thinkers. And they are so submissive to their leaders that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. They are not going to let up and they are not going to go away"
 
2012-04-09 09:36:01 AM

zappaisfrank: This is a very good source of information on the inescapable connection between Authoritarianism and Republican Conservatism.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 328x500]

From the book...
"Conservatives without conscience do not have horns and tails; if they did they would be easier to identify. Many of them can be quite pleasant, but at heart they are tough, cold-blooded, ruthless authoritarians. They are limited in their ability to see the world from any point of view other than there own, and they are narrow in their outlook. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are prototypical conservative leaders without conscience.

Right-wing authoritarians employ a number of psychological tricks and defences that enable them to act fairly beastly, all the while thinking they are 'the good people'. To begin with they have relatively little self-understanding. For instance, they do not realize they are more prejudiced and hostile than most people. In fact, they do not realize any of the many undesirable things that research has discovered about them. Second, right-wing authoritarians have very compartmentalized minds, and they can just pull off a Scarlett O'Hara ("I'm not going to think about it!') whenever they want.

Probably about 20 to 25 percent of the adult American population is so right-wing authoritarian, so scared, so self-righteous, so ill-informed, and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds. They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had improved as a result. The problem is that these authoritarian followers are much more active than the rest of the country. They have the mentality of 'old time religion' on a crusade, and they generously give money, time and effort to the cause. They proselytize; they lick stamps; they put pressure on loved ones; and they revel in being loyal to a cohesive group of like thinkers. And they are so submissive to their leaders that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. ...


Reading is for sissies, Francis.
 
2012-04-09 09:39:08 AM

zappaisfrank: Over several years of debating right wingers, I've come to a number of inescapable conclusions about them. One of the biggest being they absolutely do NOT take kindly to having their beliefs questioned or put into any environment of doubt. They cling to them feverishly as a child clings to a teddy bear, unwilling to even consider that what they believe could be wrong.


To be fair, the same could be said of many people who fall on the opposite side of the political spectrum. The modern American right-wing is distinguished by degree rather than by kind - many of the beliefs they cling fiercely to aren't just wrong, they're obviously, provably, wrong. Like the recent Talking Point I've seen bandied about the internet that it was the conservatives who fought for civil rights. Or that the current tax rate is particularly high, by historical standards.
 
2012-04-09 09:41:06 AM

Guidette Frankentits: CNN is guilty of being mindless too but they don't play a Libz Libz Libz Derp Derp Derp record 24/7


My favorite is MSNBC. It's the Prison Channel. Seems like 1-2 hours of news, with the remaining 23 or so hours featuring various flavors of "Lockup."
 
2012-04-09 09:42:57 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: zappaisfrank: This is a very good source of information on the inescapable connection between Authoritarianism and Republican Conservatism.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 328x500]

From the book...
"Conservatives without conscience do not have horns and tails; if they did they would be easier to identify. Many of them can be quite pleasant, but at heart they are tough, cold-blooded, ruthless authoritarians. They are limited in their ability to see the world from any point of view other than there own, and they are narrow in their outlook. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are prototypical conservative leaders without conscience.

Right-wing authoritarians employ a number of psychological tricks and defences that enable them to act fairly beastly, all the while thinking they are 'the good people'. To begin with they have relatively little self-understanding. For instance, they do not realize they are more prejudiced and hostile than most people. In fact, they do not realize any of the many undesirable things that research has discovered about them. Second, right-wing authoritarians have very compartmentalized minds, and they can just pull off a Scarlett O'Hara ("I'm not going to think about it!') whenever they want.

Probably about 20 to 25 percent of the adult American population is so right-wing authoritarian, so scared, so self-righteous, so ill-informed, and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds. They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had improved as a result. The problem is that these authoritarian followers are much more active than the rest of the country. They have the mentality of 'old time religion' on a crusade, and they generously give money, time and effort to the cause. They proselytize; they lick stamps; they put pressure on loved ones; and they revel in being loyal to a cohesive group of like thinkers. And they are so submissive to their leaders that they will believe and do virtually anything that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. ...

Reading is for sissies, Francis.


Why didn't you just put "LOL" at the end of it like a good little right winger?
 
2012-04-09 09:45:19 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: As long as the libs have MSNBC to spew their hate of the Right, they really have no right to fling barbs at Fox.

Nor do conservatives have a right to fling barbs at MSNBC.

In the end it's a wash. And I'm okay with that.


"Saddened and mystified by" is not the same as "hate of." You could probably make a case that most news outlets, whether corporate or not, follow some larger narrative that's shaped by the worldviews of the people who produce & run it. That's not a sin; that's a reasonable thing to expect from a human institution. The difference is that Fox has no apparent journalistic integrity or ethic to keep its narrative in check. As others have said above, Fox is a propaganda outlet serving only one purpose: to keep its viewership fearful, compliant, and misinformed.

Comparing Fox and any other US media outlet isn't really apt. If CNN or MSNBC are hamburgers from different lousy fast-food joints, Fox is a hamburger made of Play-Doh.
 
2012-04-09 09:48:29 AM

Gunther: zappaisfrank: Over several years of debating right wingers, I've come to a number of inescapable conclusions about them. One of the biggest being they absolutely do NOT take kindly to having their beliefs questioned or put into any environment of doubt. They cling to them feverishly as a child clings to a teddy bear, unwilling to even consider that what they believe could be wrong.

To be fair, the same could be said of many people who fall on the opposite side of the political spectrum. The modern American right-wing is distinguished by degree rather than by kind - many of the beliefs they cling fiercely to aren't just wrong, they're obviously, provably, wrong. Like the recent Talking Point I've seen bandied about the internet that it was the conservatives who fought for civil rights. Or that the current tax rate is particularly high, by historical standards.


The funniest one I've heard recently were how the "War On Women" is actually being waged by the Democrats, yet when you ask a rightie for just one example of Democratic sponsored legislation aimed at the reproductive rights of women, they refuse to answer. That's what you get with those people when you attempt debate with them..they throw out a big stinking wad of verbal diarrhea, then when you ask them for specifics they run away like a child caught throwing rocks at windows. They're fond of blame shifting to Democrats to deflect from their own malfeasance. I love it when they start talking about Democrat racism from the 1800's, yet refuse to acknowledge things like the Southern Strategy. They're farking idiots.
 
2012-04-09 09:49:05 AM

Headso: keylock71: I really don't know how anyone with a brain can think Fox News is a quality source for news... And I really have no desire to have a political discussion with anyone who's sole source of information is Fox News.

Oh yeah libtard, well I'll have you know I also get my news from breitbart, american thinker, WND, the washington times annnnd the NY Post! now who's not informed?


A pantheon of reason and intellect, to be sure... : )
 
2012-04-09 09:49:44 AM
oi43.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-09 09:52:07 AM

Gunther: Like the recent Talking Point I've seen bandied about the internet that it was the conservatives who fought for civil rights.


A notable conservative that fought for civil rights was Charlton Heston. That's one part of what made Moore's shenanigans in Bowling for Columbine so idiotic.

newsimg.bbc.co.uk

Lochsteppe: The difference is that Fox has no apparent journalistic integrity or ethic to keep its narrative in check.


This implies that they're driven by some external moral factor. In reality, they'll have as many morals as their viewers will demand. The blame lands squarely on the shoulders of the populace that keeps watching Fox's nonsense. Glenn Beck didn't get fired for puppet shows or anti-Soros freestyle rap battles, he got fired for poor ratings.
 
2012-04-09 09:52:35 AM
Speaking of authoritarian, these cartoons from the 1930s about FDR are pretty damned interesting.

Link (new window)
 
2012-04-09 09:53:25 AM
I think it's fair to say that anyone, on either side of the spectrum, who gets the majority of their news from the boob tube or from a select handful of online sources, is going to be decidedly limited in their knowledge base and ability to suss out the truths on any given issue.

That said. It does seem like people on the left are a lot more active in checking multiple sources and looking for challenges to a particular story.

Not always, but in general.
 
2012-04-09 09:55:43 AM

sprawl15: Gunther: Like the recent Talking Point I've seen bandied about the internet that it was the conservatives who fought for civil rights.

A notable conservative that fought for civil rights was Charlton Heston. That's one part of what made Moore's shenanigans in Bowling for Columbine so idiotic.
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Lochsteppe: The difference is that Fox has no apparent journalistic integrity or ethic to keep its narrative in check.

This implies that they're driven by some external moral factor. In reality, they'll have as many morals as their viewers will demand. The blame lands squarely on the shoulders of the populace that keeps watching Fox's nonsense. Glenn Beck didn't get fired for puppet shows or anti-Soros freestyle rap battles, he got fired for poor ratings.


Your argument is wonderful - it's akin to "Timothy McVeigh likes puppies and fought for animal rights, which made the US Government's prosecution of him inexcusable!"

//from my cold dead hands! done, asshole
 
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