SharkTrager: FinFangFark: But yeah, Vince and his office of 'tard writers kill the naturally hot angles, for fear of it not being of their own fruition, and instead give us the 3 Stooges, Hornswoggle segments, and a bevy of promos.

Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Who'd have thought, a year ago, when Punk cut that EPIC promo/partial shoot on Vince being dead is good for business, that we'd have be echoing those sentiments with a passion.

Oh and to whoever earlier (don't feel like scrolling up) brought up Vince needing competition to be better, I have a tangent on that. It grinds my gears when they talk about the Monday Night Wars, and Vince always mentions "He was trying to put me out of business, to take away my livelyhood, and i take some offense to that"

You know, the same tactics he used thirty years ago! He bought his dad's promotion, and strong armed territories by pilfering away their talent, and sneaking in under JC promotions to get on TBS to make his organization a national, then global. You know, because THAT DIDN'T PUT PEOPLE OUT OF A JOB YOU F$*KTARD!

I love wrestling b/c of the nostalgia it has as an entertainment value for me. The fWc has made it interesting to keep up again, because in that stretch of Orton/Cena for two years, I didn't tune in or read up on anything wrestling. But, I admit, I really do hate Vince McMahon, as much as I hate the retarded sense of logic behind TNA's booking of angles.

I had high hopes last night, especially after last week's awesomeness. Terrible letdown. Just a miserable excuse for entertainment.

SharkTrager: FinFangFark: nyrkah1: Gunny Highway: I dont have time to watch Raw for a few days.

How was the show? Did I miss anything good besides Cena getting punched in the mush?

Your best option would be to watch Cena get punched and then fast forward to........let's see.........oh, I know. Fast forward to the part where the WWE logo appears on the screen at the end.

Well the first minute or two of the Punk promo were good, and then it suddenly turned into addictions to abortions.

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I'm not sure Punk likes this angle at all. I think there's a reason he's starting to have the same negative comments he had when he was considering leaving. I also think it's interesting that, at a time the WWE is indoctrinating their wrestlers on the proper use of Twitter, his use of Twitter has waned.

He's also the kind of guy that I can absolutely see doing things like dragging the belt instead of wearing it to send a message, while also half assing the promo because it's just moronic and not anything he would actually say. What I find interesting is that I still think they are taping Jericho's Trinitron bits even when he is in the building. More and more they do not seem to trust their wrestlers to do anything where they can't edit what is said.

Agreed. I followed CM Punk for 2 years on twitter, when he opened it up. He is still a jackass, but he was great with how he interacted with marks and stupid media types messaging him. But since the WWE has gone all #Hashtagsaredivine he hardly tweets. It's not his schedule, because he tweeted heavily when on tour the past few years, when he was WHC, etc...since the front office has been pushing this, he's steered away.

Good for him. Because it's becoming ridiculous, just like his current angle.

I'm disappointed in Punk's angle. It totally sucks. They should take the strap off him if they are just going to use him like that. He's not believable as a champ, if they are going to turn his character into that. A guy who cries over something that Jericho says has a chance against Lesnar, or anyone like that? It's BS. I started watching again when we had the summer of Punk last year, and he was funny and didn't give a crap what he said. That was entertaining. They've just killed him. It makes no sense that a guy like that would go all emotional over this crap. He should just be kicking Jericho all over the arena, for being a knob. And why would he call him "Chris" when Jericho is saying all that crap, as well. Booking has been terrible, who writes this crap (soap writers). It reminds me of WCW when it was dying. Poorly written, amateurish angles, that left people shaking their heads going "WTF?". What a waste of time it has become, certainly not entertaining. Last night's RAW was horrible. 3 Stooges indeed. Did I mention that it was crap?

SharkTrager: FinFangFark: nyrkah1: Gunny Highway: I dont have time to watch Raw for a few days.

How was the show? Did I miss anything good besides Cena getting punched in the mush?

Your best option would be to watch Cena get punched and then fast forward to........let's see.........oh, I know. Fast forward to the part where the WWE logo appears on the screen at the end.

Well the first minute or two of the Punk promo were good, and then it suddenly turned into addictions to abortions.

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I'm not sure Punk likes this angle at all. I think there's a reason he's starting to have the same negative comments he had when he was considering leaving. I also think it's interesting that, at a time the WWE is indoctrinating their wrestlers on the proper use of Twitter, his use of Twitter has waned.

He's also the kind of guy that I can absolutely see doing things like dragging the belt instead of wearing it to send a message, while also half assing the promo because it's just moronic and not anything he would actually say. What I find interesting is that I still think they are taping Jericho's Trinitron bits even when he is in the building. More and more they do not seem to trust their wrestlers to do anything where they can't edit what is said.

I don't have team to read the whole thread but I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed he was dragging the belt last night. I remember not long ago he was on a talkshow or news segment and he made it a point that he WEARS the belt while most other guys drag it or put it on their shoulder.

Randyman: I'm disappointed in Punk's angle. It totally sucks. They should take the strap off him if they are just going to use him like that. He's not believable as a champ, if they are going to turn his character into that. A guy who cries over something that Jericho says has a chance against Lesnar, or anyone like that? It's BS. I started watching again when we had the summer of Punk last year, and he was funny and didn't give a crap what he said. That was entertaining. They've just killed him. It makes no sense that a guy like that would go all emotional over this crap. He should just be kicking Jericho all over the arena, for being a knob. And why would he call him "Chris" when Jericho is saying all that crap, as well. Booking has been terrible, who writes this crap (soap writers). It reminds me of WCW when it was dying. Poorly written, amateurish angles, that left people shaking their heads going "WTF?". What a waste of time it has become, certainly not entertaining. Last night's RAW was horrible. 3 Stooges indeed. Did I mention that it was crap?

THIS! This was my argument from the very beginning of this whole stupid angle. After Jeri-troll finished his very first diatribe Punk would have been like "So? And? Fark you." And that would have been the end of that.

robsul82: I myself would've preferred, as said before, Punk to taunt Jericho with the need for BS mind games as proof Jericho knows he's not the Best in the World, and then beat him in the ring...the way it's going now, we BETTER end with Jericho going 1.0 on the Muta scale.

Last night seemed it was going in that direction until Punk's match with Mizark came along.

The whole Punk/Jericho angle is just crap.

With the mic skills those two have, they don't need this bullshiat.

/ I sure as hell don't want this bullshiat

On a side note, I've begun reading a book on string theory. You know, the scientific theory on multiple simultaneous universes.

Like the universe where Edge and Christian are brothers, and the other where they are childhood friends.

TheManofPA: WWE Diva AJ Lee is still recovering from Daniel Bryan breaking up with her on SmackDown but is getting ready for tonight's live show. She wrote on Twitter last night:

"Smackdown tomorrow. Perhaps I will put down this tub of mint chocolate chip ice cream & Alanis Morrissette cd, and do something productive."


I leave this to you

It's hilarious.

Her and Daniel Bryan last Smackdown was frickin heel GOLD.

/Srsly
//Vince shouldn't be squashing the Yes'
///It's got that "Macho - Elizabeth" vibe

Grand_Moff_Joseph:

This is now the locked screen for my phone

robsul82: Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

"New blood...BUT ONLY THE NEW BLOOD I APPROVE OF!"

Vince's idea of new blood: "Who is this 'Sting' fellow I've been hearing about?"

nyrkah1: robsul82: Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

"New blood...BUT ONLY THE NEW BLOOD I APPROVE OF!"

Vince's idea of new blood: "Who is this 'Sting' fellow I've been hearing about?"

"And what the hell is a goddamn anaconda vice?!?!?!?!"

Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

Because he's not looking for new blood. New scares him. He wants to take established people and then wants to try to change their character and have that be the "new blood". The problem is, the days when you could take a guy on the roster, give him a new name and gimmick and pretend they aren't the same guy are gone.

Truth has had 3 versions of the same gimmick in the last 9 months. The Miz has essentially only kept his name and tagline. Punk has gone from fighting the establishment to dealing with personal demons. Cena, the freaking face of the company, has had 3 different versions of his gimmick. D-Bry has only kept the same name. Ryder, well,, his gimmick was thin anyway.

The only people he hasn't changed gimmicks on are the old guard and Hunter's buddies.Then they do not get why people aren't staying attached to any of the talent (including Punk) and think it's because they can't generate heat.

FirstNationalBastard: nyrkah1: robsul82: Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

"New blood...BUT ONLY THE NEW BLOOD I APPROVE OF!"

Vince's idea of new blood: "Who is this 'Sting' fellow I've been hearing about?"

Triple, I've just seen the most amazing young worker... his name is Louis Thesz or somesuch. Bring him to FCW and let's see if we can get him a gimmick!

"Somebody get a hold of this Gagne guy. I hear he's killin' them up in Minnesota."

nyrkah1: FirstNationalBastard: nyrkah1: robsul82: Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

"New blood...BUT ONLY THE NEW BLOOD I APPROVE OF!"

Vince's idea of new blood: "Who is this 'Sting' fellow I've been hearing about?"

Triple, I've just seen the most amazing young worker... his name is Louis Thesz or somesuch. Bring him to FCW and let's see if we can get him a gimmick!

"Somebody get a hold of this Gagne guy. I hear he's killin' them up in Minnesota."

"Steph, get Jim Crockett Promotions on the phone, let's see if they have any fresh faces we can do a talent exchange for."

"uhm, dad..."

FirstNationalBastard: FinFangFark: nyrkah1: FirstNationalBastard: nyrkah1: robsul82: Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

"New blood...BUT ONLY THE NEW BLOOD I APPROVE OF!"

Vince's idea of new blood: "Who is this 'Sting' fellow I've been hearing about?"

Triple, I've just seen the most amazing young worker... his name is Louis Thesz or somesuch. Bring him to FCW and let's see if we can get him a gimmick!

"Somebody get a hold of this Gagne guy. I hear he's killin' them up in Minnesota."

"Steph, get Jim Crockett Promotions on the phone, let's see if they have any fresh faces we can do a talent exchange for."

"uhm, dad..."

Someone call the Tunneys in Toronto! Jack always liked being onscreen... maybe he knows something about this Gene Kiniski fellow I've been hearing about! If nothing else, he might be able to tell me more about this upstart Stu Hart, and that corral or courtyard or whatever he calls that dungeon of a basement of his.

FirstNationalBastard: FinFangFark: nyrkah1: FirstNationalBastard: nyrkah1: robsul82: Rwa2play: SharkTrager: Vince is afraid of angles that are not their creation because they can't control where they go.

What they do not get is that people have seen it all now. The only way to keep them interested is to be unpredictable.

There is not an active angle right now that hasn't been done before, and in most cases better.

Pretty much this. If reports are true that Vince is looking for new blood to replace the likes of 'Taker, why hasn't he just let things happen, keep the things that DO work, and run with them?

"New blood...BUT ONLY THE NEW BLOOD I APPROVE OF!"

Vince's idea of new blood: "Who is this 'Sting' fellow I've been hearing about?"

Triple, I've just seen the most amazing young worker... his name is Louis Thesz or somesuch. Bring him to FCW and let's see if we can get him a gimmick!

"Somebody get a hold of this Gagne guy. I hear he's killin' them up in Minnesota."

"Steph, get Jim Crockett Promotions on the phone, let's see if they have any fresh faces we can do a talent exchange for."

"uhm, dad..."

Someone call the Tunneys in Toronto! Jack always liked being onscreen... maybe he knows something about this Gene Kiniski fellow I've been hearing about! If nothing else, he might be able to tell me more about this upstart Stu Hart, and that corral or courtyard or whatever he calls that dungeon of a basement of his.

"Why the hell didn't somebody tell me Jerry Lawler works for us? See if he can get a hold of that Kaufman character. I've got an idea."

SharkTrager: Because he's not looking for new blood. New scares him. He wants to take established people and then wants to try to change their character and have that be the "new blood". The problem is, the days when you could take a guy on the roster, give him a new name and gimmick and pretend they aren't the same guy are gone.

Case in point: Albert.

He's farkin' Albert.

That's it. Tensai or whatever it's still plodding albert who lost to the undertaker at wrestlemania and had people chanting "shave your back"

sorry Matt Bloom... I know no one can resist the checkbook of Vince McMahon... but you're about two PPVs away from disappearing from TV for a while.

I am going to burn in hell for a Verne Gagne joke no one got and/or acknowledged.

/ It was worth it

nyrkah1: I am going to burn in hell for a Verne Gagne joke no one got and/or acknowledged.

/ It was worth it

That's because I'm dodging lightning from the Dale Sr./Pink Floyd joke in the Junior thread.

FirstNationalBastard: RATINGS ARE IN!

WWE Dropped hard, down from a 2,0 both hours last week to a 1.6 for the first hour and 1 1.7 for the second hour in the 18-49 demographic. As for overall viewers, they went from 5 million overall for both hours last week to 4.2 and 4.3 million this week.

I'm glad this RAW bombed compared to last week, especially since coming off of Lesnar's return the show should have been so interesting people wanted to tune in to see what was going to happen next and stay tuned in. I'm disappointed because everyone but Senile Vince and the Soap Writers will be blamed for the bad ratings

Dammit Miz!

FirstNationalBastard: nyrkah1: FirstNationalBastard: RATINGS ARE IN!

WWE Dropped hard, down from a 2,0 both hours last week to a 1.6 for the first hour and 1 1.7 for the second hour in the 18-49 demographic. As for overall viewers, they went from 5 million overall for both hours last week to 4.2 and 4.3 million this week.

I'm glad this RAW bombed compared to last week, especially since coming off of Lesnar's return the show should have been so interesting people wanted to tune in to see what was going to happen next and stay tuned in. I'm disappointed because everyone but Senile Vince and the Soap Writers will be blamed for the bad ratings

Dammit Miz!

Senile Vince knew he should have given Miz's spot to Whipper Billy Watson instead...

I got in such a hurry to make the obligatory Miz joke I forgot to say I agree. Everyone will be blamed except the one who deserves it.

FirstNationalBastard: RATINGS ARE IN!

WWE Dropped hard, down from a 2,0 both hours last week to a 1.6 for the first hour and 1 1.7 for the second hour in the 18-49 demographic. As for overall viewers, they went from 5 million overall for both hours last week to 4.2 and 4.3 million this week.

I'm glad this RAW bombed compared to last week, especially since coming off of Lesnar's return the show should have been so interesting people wanted to tune in to see what was going to happen next and stay tuned in. I'm disappointed because everyone but Senile Vince and the Soap Writers will be blamed for the bad ratings

It was Punk's fault!

eddievercetti: FirstNationalBastard: RATINGS ARE IN!

WWE Dropped hard, down from a 2,0 both hours last week to a 1.6 for the first hour and 1 1.7 for the second hour in the 18-49 demographic. As for overall viewers, they went from 5 million overall for both hours last week to 4.2 and 4.3 million this week.

I'm glad this RAW bombed compared to last week, especially since coming off of Lesnar's return the show should have been so interesting people wanted to tune in to see what was going to happen next and stay tuned in. I'm disappointed because everyone but Senile Vince and the Soap Writers will be blamed for the bad ratings

It was Punk's fault!

Dude, be nice to Punk. I heard he came from a pretty messed up family.

Smiths:

Dude, what's your twitter?

Ed Becker: nyrkah1: I am going to burn in hell for a Verne Gagne joke no one got and/or acknowledged.

/ It was worth it

That's because I'm dodging lightning from the Dale Sr./Pink Floyd joke in the Junior thread.

The only Floyd joke I see is from "OldIron79". Why post from an alt? Also, no one's even quoted you on it yet.

Is this a different thread then the one about Jr's backyard track?

MagSeven: nyrkah1: eddievercetti: FirstNationalBastard: RATINGS ARE IN!

WWE Dropped hard, down from a 2,0 both hours last week to a 1.6 for the first hour and 1 1.7 for the second hour in the 18-49 demographic. As for overall viewers, they went from 5 million overall for both hours last week to 4.2 and 4.3 million this week.

I'm glad this RAW bombed compared to last week, especially since coming off of Lesnar's return the show should have been so interesting people wanted to tune in to see what was going to happen next and stay tuned in. I'm disappointed because everyone but Senile Vince and the Soap Writers will be blamed for the bad ratings

It was Punk's fault!

Dude, be nice to Punk. I heard he came from a pretty messed up family.

Punk's father is an alcoholic. His sister is a drug addict. His dog has heart-worms. Punk is, himself, a bastard. His mom is a pretty nice lady though.

If nothing else, at least she puts out.

Ed Becker: nyrkah1: I am going to burn in hell for a Verne Gagne joke no one got and/or acknowledged.

/ It was worth it

That's because I'm dodging lightning from the Dale Sr./Pink Floyd joke in the Junior thread.

not really THAT bad of a joke.

you should see my bobblehead mock-up.
Head doesn't bobble anymore.

I saw someone asked how I got the signs into Raw. We went into a side entrance after most people were in the building. After my wife's purse was checked I threw the signs on the table and said, "there are 100 signs and the all say yes."

The woman working the table said "oh Lordy" and started thumbing through. I then said, "you can trust me I'm a lawyer."

She looked at the other security guard with a look that said, "I don't get paid enough for this." She asked if I could just go through and he said yes.

The other staff that had just been watching began asking how long the signs took and why thy all said yes

Once we took our seats I asked those there if thy wanted a sign. Once people saw me giving them away people just started coming to me. Every time I handed out a sign I yelled "yes"

It was at this point my wife tells me that we attracted security. She said she was concerned for a moment we would be getting kicked out. I guess they though better than to say something since we weren't doing anything wrong and there would have been some angry fans if they removed us.

I did hear that some of the Yes! signs were upside down. SMRT!

FirstNationalBastard: RATINGS ARE IN!

WWE Dropped hard, down from a 2,0 both hours last week to a 1.6 for the first hour and 1 1.7 for the second hour in the 18-49 demographic. As for overall viewers, they went from 5 million overall for both hours last week to 4.2 and 4.3 million this week.

I'm glad this RAW bombed compared to last week, especially since coming off of Lesnar's return the show should have been so interesting people wanted to tune in to see what was going to happen next and stay tuned in. I'm disappointed because everyone but Senile Vince and the Soap Writers will be blamed for the bad ratings

Here's hoping the numbers continue to drop. It's going to take a lot for Vince to realize that he's the cause of things failing. A shrinking "universe" will help in that.

When does the Smackdown thread go green?