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(Gather)   NASA seems to have been covering up what looked like a UFO from the last shuttle mission. It happened during their live, public feed. They blamed it on lens flare. They weren't saying it was aliens. But it was aliens   (news.gather.com) divider line 187
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2012-04-09 10:00:20 AM  
They are IFOs. You hear the dude identifying them as a piece of foil and a metal ring.
 
2012-04-09 10:01:35 AM  

hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.


If they did show up here, I wouldn't be so quick to presume it's because they're interested in us. IMO that would be like saying that the only reason to pursue research or recreation in the ocean is because you're interested in sharks.
 
2012-04-09 10:03:22 AM  

hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.


We watch Jersey Shore. Aliens watch us.
 
2012-04-09 10:05:43 AM  
I'm going to guess either ice or small debris blown away from the shuttle by a vernier firing. Objects were beyond current focal plane of the remote camera and appeared to be much larger than they really are.
 
2012-04-09 10:07:13 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Watch the video and listen.
One of the astronauts said it was foil with a grounding strap attached.

/Move on, nothing to see here.


That is one of many lines they are trained to say as code when they realize they see something that would make the rest of up freak out.

//it was alien's I tell you.......
 
2012-04-09 10:14:23 AM  
"We'll go with statements first, and then we'll go on to questions..."
"yes, first question?"

'WTF WAS THAT?!'
 
2012-04-09 10:14:25 AM  
"They act independently, yet always maintain equidistant juxtaposition from each other."

No, they don't.
 
2012-04-09 10:14:25 AM  

hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.



I don't think the sun sets when you're in outer space.

/Jussayin'
 
2012-04-09 10:23:52 AM  
UFO doen't mean aliens. It just means they hadn't figured out what it is yet. geez.
 
2012-04-09 10:24:05 AM  
It can't be aliens, because we're the only intelligent life in the universe. It's true, it says so in the bible.
 
2012-04-09 10:25:48 AM  
I would bet that it's one of our satellite constellations, and they came up with this explanation to keep their orbital information under wraps.
 
2012-04-09 10:30:14 AM  
The problem that the Ooofers don't realize is that those objects aren't several miles away - they're only about 100-200 feet - and hell, you can even see one of them spinning, giving away the scale of things. Debris from something in the payload bay that either gave way due to fatigue or insulation from something that might have gotten scraped. This was 10 days into the mission, so I'm sure they've been using that arm out there.

If they are UFO's that are 100-200 feet away, then that means that the G'Gugvuntt and Vl'hurg paid us a visit, and are about to be swallowed by a small dog.
 
2012-04-09 10:30:49 AM  

badhatharry: I bet someone from NSA was quickly on the phone with NASA to stop filming their top secret space shiat.


But what about NASSA?

/got laid that very night
 
2012-04-09 10:34:16 AM  

hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.



Actually I'd think that if aliens could come to Earth, they'd be quite interested in observing a society in such a key phase of development.

Right now destroying the planet and saving it are both within our power, and our actions in the next several decades as we confront various problems (transition away from an oil-base economy, overpopulation, etc.) could affect the course of human civilization for hundreds of years.


Of course I might be over-complicating things. Sentient life could be incredibly rare in the Universe and they'd want to study us simply because we are a technologically sophisticated civilization.,

And do you honestly think the universe is filled with Utopian races that were perfect from the instant they discovered fire? No, of course not. Hypothetical little green men probably brutally killed each other for thousands of years in the past, if they aren't still doing it today.
 
2012-04-09 10:59:08 AM  

give me doughnuts: "Thinking meat?!"


Pretty much. My thoughts have always been if another sentient spacefaring species discovers us, it would go something like this:

"How quaint. These animals have figured out a rudimentary communication system and how to use tools."

"We should probably come back in a few thousand years when they've completed the "body" phase of their species' development and have ascended to an immortal group-consciousness that we can actually communicate with."
 
2012-04-09 11:02:35 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Lens flare?

It was JJ Abrams?


some_beer_drinker: [cdn.screenrant.com image 570x287]

lens flare?


How JJ Abrams' Star Trek movie should have ended.
 
2012-04-09 11:03:28 AM  
Bacontastesgood


/got laid that very night

i43.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-09 11:12:39 AM  

KimNorth: MindStalker: some_beer_drinker: [cdn.screenrant.com image 570x287]

lens flare?

I don't see the problem, that movie accurately showed the dangers not having enough radiation shielding causing random particles to excite the eye which causes astronauts to see spots.

Um, I may not understand how that works but wouldn't that mean that only they would see them and it not be recorded for all of us to watch if it were only them "seeing spots?"


Not really, which is pretty much why anyone who makes claims about ghosts or whatever not being captured on sensors/film but visible are full of crap. Your eyes capture protons, sensors capture protons. An object is visible if it protons interact with it, an object is invisible if protons pass through or around it. If radiation excited random particles enough to emit protons, any source capturing them with line of sight is going see the same thing.
 
2012-04-09 11:12:57 AM  
Gang,

Just loved the Stanton Friedman picture, as well as that goofball who keeps doing the "Ancient Alien Astronauts" shows on cable with the JIFFY PUFF hairdo. Say, how's come they never seem to get any primetime coverage for their secanol-induced crazy shows? Or is that ANOTHER conspiracy the US gov't is keeping from us? Like the 11 secret herbs and spices?

Just sayin'

/// slashie, slashie /// ... 1111111 eleventy !
 
2012-04-09 11:15:10 AM  

give me doughnuts: hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.

"Thinking meat?!"


Wait until they start flapping their meat at each other.

/Or squirting air through their meat.
 
2012-04-09 11:18:14 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't think the sun sets when you're in outer space.


Sure it does. That's the only way you can get the Sundiver to work safely. Just ask David Brin.
 
2012-04-09 11:19:40 AM  

dcigary: If they are UFO's that are 100-200 feet away, then that means that the G'Gugvuntt and Vl'hurg paid us a visit, and are about to be swallowed by a small dog.


You seem to be having tremendous difficulty with your lifestyle,
 
2012-04-09 11:20:02 AM  

Non-evil Monkey: hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.


Actually I'd think that if aliens could come to Earth, they'd be quite interested in observing a society in such a key phase of development.

Right now destroying the planet and saving it are both within our power, and our actions in the next several decades as we confront various problems (transition away from an oil-base economy, overpopulation, etc.) could affect the course of human civilization for hundreds of years.


Of course I might be over-complicating things. Sentient life could be incredibly rare in the Universe and they'd want to study us simply because we are a technologically sophisticated civilization.,

And do you honestly think the universe is filled with Utopian races that were perfect from the instant they discovered fire? No, of course not. Hypothetical little green men probably brutally killed each other for thousands of years in the past, if they aren't still doing it today.


There's two likely options, the slave option or the cannibals option. Anyone species that has an interest in exploring the universe is either likely looking for resources or is doing it for knowledge. If they are looking for resources, aliens would most likely look at us as primitive resources, and either directly or covertly shape us to provide a particular result. That's more or less what the Ancient Alien's guys believe. However, just as likely is the cannibal scenario, in which after observation, aliens believe we have rudimentary but sufficiently dangerous technology as to consider us dangerous head hunters, CAUTION KEEP OUT.

Most likely, aliens are either oppressing us from the shadows, or hiding from us to keep us from stabbing them to death with our hordes of stone age tool users, relative to them.
 
2012-04-09 11:36:23 AM  

Badmonkey82009: We watch Jersey Shore. Aliens watch us.


I think it's more like Meerkat Manor.
 
2012-04-09 11:36:25 AM  

Mr Guy: There's two likely options, the slave option or the cannibals option


Neither of those options is terribly likely. No matter what we have here, any alien race almost certainly has something equivalent closer to them. If they're looking for a labor pool, it makes far more sense to draw off of their own species. It doesn't involve traveling across thousands of light-years, for starters. Similarly, if they're looking for a food supply, they can do so cheaper and easier at home. There's a reason we're not raising cows on Mars.

The most likely scenario is that any extraterrestrial life in the galaxy hasn't noticed us yet. Our ideal light-cone is only about a light-century in radius, and our practical light-cone is likely much smaller- possibly as small as 20ly. If aliens have visited Earth, they almost certainly were doing so out of xenopological curiosity- we have literally nothing else to offer them.
 
2012-04-09 11:40:19 AM  
So, I never really believed in all the alien abduction stuff, area 57, crop circles, etc. However, I completely believe that if the there ever was bona fide alien sighting, that the government would totally attempt to cover it up.

Is there alien life? I have no doubt there is because the universe is too damned big for us to be the only planet with life. Can alien life travel here? Who knows? Has it happened yet, I doubt it. All that being said....

I always figured there probably was many forms of life all over the universe, but how many can space travel? Probably slim chance within our little spec of the universe. However, something did happen that made me question everything.

I was out at my parents house, the middle of nowhere Michigan, on a very clear night, just having fun looking at the stars. Still plenty of air traffic though, planes going by every hour or so.

I spotted something moving so very slowly and thought, "If that is a plane, it is WAY the hell up there" and I wondered could it be a satellite or space shuttle? I watched it for awhile moving so slowly that I wondered if my eyes were fooling me. But when I lined it up with nearby stars, I could see that it was indeed moving but creeping along.

No biggie, until the "thing" suddenly flew through the sky at a speed that I cannot begin to fathom! I mean that sucker went from moving like a snail on downers to speeding as fast or faster than a comet. It didn't even seem possible that something could move that fast and cover so much space in such a short amount of time!

I wondered if it was a comet, but how could a comet go slow as molasses and then speed up to cover the sky from north to south in the blink of an eye, and never seem to "wink out"? I only lost sight of it when it went below the horizon line.

I am not saying I know what it was, but I know what it wasn't......

Ever since then, I want to go back to my old comfortable theories of thinking that all other life forms are too far away to worry about, but that one incident always comes back to mess up my head! lol
 
2012-04-09 11:42:29 AM  

ChaoticLimbs: I don't think that's lens flare unless this camera is some HD wideangle and the movements we think are camera movements are actually sensor crops panning around. Looks like actual objects, but it's a large leap from physical objects to physical spacecraft piloted by extraterrestrials. I don't think that can be extrapolated from dots.
As far as them forming a triangle, try choosing three points distributed at random that DON'T form a triangle.


. . . ?
 
2012-04-09 11:43:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The reflection from the foil explanation doesn't make sense as the objects move away from each other while the camera remains motionless. When the camera moves to shoot the Earth briefly, the objects move out of frame as you'd expect from actual objects.



Don't forget, the camera is motionless as it stands on the shuttle, which is moving at almost 18,000mph around the earth. It almsot looks to me like the lights are holding a trianglular shape while the camera is rotating around them.

Either way it is hard to tell what 3 dots are doing at speeds like this with only one reference spot.
 
2012-04-09 11:46:45 AM  

t3knomanser: Mr Guy: There's two likely options, the slave option or the cannibals option

Neither of those options is terribly likely. No matter what we have here, any alien race almost certainly has something equivalent closer to them. If they're looking for a labor pool, it makes far more sense to draw off of their own species. It doesn't involve traveling across thousands of light-years, for starters. Similarly, if they're looking for a food supply, they can do so cheaper and easier at home. There's a reason we're not raising cows on Mars.

The most likely scenario is that any extraterrestrial life in the galaxy hasn't noticed us yet. Our ideal light-cone is only about a light-century in radius, and our practical light-cone is likely much smaller- possibly as small as 20ly. If aliens have visited Earth, they almost certainly were doing so out of xenopological curiosity- we have literally nothing else to offer them.


You missed what I said. There's really only two good reasons for anyone to search far enough to end up in our neck of the woods. They are either looking for us, or they are looking for something our area has. IF we presume already that we have been visited, you have to presume they have a reason for visiting us that would drive them all the way here, ignoring unpopulated stuff along the way. The simplest assumptions that give them motivation to visit, if we HAVE been visited, is that they are either intending to exploit us, or they are watching us and somewhat fearful of us in a wild man kind of way.

I'm precluding any kind of direct and open contact, because we'd know about that. In order to believe in aliens on earth right now, you should believe they are actively hiding from us. If aliens are showing themselves to us, it's most logical to believe it's accidental.
 
2012-04-09 11:49:40 AM  
Anyone who is shocked at the shuttle crew seeing objects out the windows is an idiot.

www.natural-environment.com
 
2012-04-09 11:50:03 AM  

BurnShrike: Iron Felix: The girl's voice in the NASA video is sexy.

She does sound sexy!

But as I said before, you can't trust your senses. She's from Houston, so the odds of her being a sweaty she-beast is rather high.


Its a lot lower than if she was from Wisconsin, besides houston gets hot so she would sweat a good 20 lbs a month off.......

Oh and this is just dust, already been on H2 and proven.
 
2012-04-09 11:51:46 AM  

crzybtch: So, I never really believed in all the alien abduction stuff, area 57, crop circles, etc. However, I completely believe that if the there ever was bona fide alien sighting, that the government would totally attempt to cover it up.

Is there alien life? I have no doubt there is because the universe is too damned big for us to be the only planet with life. Can alien life travel here? Who knows? Has it happened yet, I doubt it. All that being said....

I always figured there probably was many forms of life all over the universe, but how many can space travel? Probably slim chance within our little spec of the universe. However, something did happen that made me question everything.

I was out at my parents house, the middle of nowhere Michigan, on a very clear night, just having fun looking at the stars. Still plenty of air traffic though, planes going by every hour or so.

I spotted something moving so very slowly and thought, "If that is a plane, it is WAY the hell up there" and I wondered could it be a satellite or space shuttle? I watched it for awhile moving so slowly that I wondered if my eyes were fooling me. But when I lined it up with nearby stars, I could see that it was indeed moving but creeping along.

No biggie, until the "thing" suddenly flew through the sky at a speed that I cannot begin to fathom! I mean that sucker went from moving like a snail on downers to speeding as fast or faster than a comet. It didn't even seem possible that something could move that fast and cover so much space in such a short amount of time!

I wondered if it was a comet, but how could a comet go slow as molasses and then speed up to cover the sky from north to south in the blink of an eye, and never seem to "wink out"? I only lost sight of it when it went below the horizon line.

I am not saying I know what it was, but I know what it wasn't......

Ever since then, I want to go back to my old comfortable theories of thinking that all other life forms are too far ...


Well, one possible explanation is that's how ballistic trajectories coming right for you look. From head on it's just a dot slightly getting larger, from the side, it's a parabolic arc. How it looks to you depends on what portion of the trail you see. Did it appear to be coming in from almost directly ahead, before the sudden acceleration, which would indicate you were watching it burn in a relatively straight line toward you, in the upper atmosphere, before it suddenly passed overhead and plunged directly down into the ground. You may have been observing it coming closer to you for a significant portion of time before it passed over head and you could get a much better perspective on it's relative speed.
 
2012-04-09 11:53:00 AM  
Not a chance that it's anything other alien spaceships, the space immediately around our planet is pure virgin emptiness...

www.natural-environment.com
 
2012-04-09 12:00:34 PM  

Mr Guy: KimNorth: MindStalker: some_beer_drinker: [cdn.screenrant.com image 570x287]

lens flare?

I don't see the problem, that movie accurately showed the dangers not having enough radiation shielding causing random particles to excite the eye which causes astronauts to see spots.

Um, I may not understand how that works but wouldn't that mean that only they would see them and it not be recorded for all of us to watch if it were only them "seeing spots?"

Not really, which is pretty much why anyone who makes claims about ghosts or whatever not being captured on sensors/film but visible are full of crap. Your eyes capture protons, sensors capture protons. An object is visible if it protons interact with it, an object is invisible if protons pass through or around it. If radiation excited random particles enough to emit protons, any source capturing them with line of sight is going see the same thing.


You sure you mean protons, chief?
 
2012-04-09 12:01:00 PM  

Mr Guy: or they are watching us and somewhat fearful of us in a wild man kind of way


That's a value judgement that I don't think is terribly well supported. Space is farking huge- there's no particular reason to be fearful of human beings. There's enough vastness out there that conflict is exceedingly easy to avoid- be somewhere else.

Mr Guy: IF we presume already that we have been visited, you have to presume they have a reason for visiting us that would drive them all the way here, ignoring unpopulated stuff along the way.


This assumption is unfounded. Why do you think they ignored the unpopulated stuff along the way? Most likely, they would have been paying just as much attention to the unpopulated stuff until they detected human radio signals- which would have been a highly unusual event, most likely. Due to the pressures of evolution, we can safely assume that unusual events draw the attention of any creature without presupposing the aliens are anything like humans.

Mr Guy: is that they are either intending to exploit us, or they are watching us


But the point I'm making is that they have nothing to gain by exploiting us. So watching us is vastly more likely.
 
2012-04-09 12:01:57 PM  

apoptotic: hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.

If they did show up here, I wouldn't be so quick to presume it's because they're interested in us. IMO that would be like saying that the only reason to pursue research or recreation in the ocean is because you're interested in sharks.


Hoo boy! Wouldn't that piss mankind off! Aliens land and ignore us to talk to the dolphins!
 
2012-04-09 12:02:31 PM  
Clearly those are giant soul-collectors put in place by the great lord Xenu.
 
2012-04-09 12:20:01 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hoo boy! Wouldn't that piss mankind off! Aliens land and ignore us to talk to the dolphins!


Human beings are the only species to have an impact that could possibly be detected by aliens- and I'm talking about our radio signals. As small as our effective light-cone probably is, it's the biggest thing any terrestrial species has made.
 
2012-04-09 12:31:08 PM  

t3knomanser: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hoo boy! Wouldn't that piss mankind off! Aliens land and ignore us to talk to the dolphins!

Human beings are the only species to have an impact that could possibly be detected by aliens- and I'm talking about our radio signals. As small as our effective light-cone probably is, it's the biggest thing any terrestrial species has made.


That's because you cannot understand the psychic signals encoded in dolphin and whale song. Millions of mental voices creating a beautiful symphonic song that reaches to the furthest reaches of space.

But that's okay, we'll make our own space-borne future, with blackjack, and hookers. Humanity, fark Yeah!
 
2012-04-09 12:34:22 PM  

BurnShrike: It asks anyone watching to distrust their own eyes.

The human senses are remarkably easy to fool. The more we use science to determine what's actually real, the more we realize our own bodies are prone to fooling us in all kinds of ways.

For instance, my body has fooled me in to believing any of you will read this post and take it to heart, while science has proven otherwise.


Well hell read any police reports you can have 7 witnesses to a crime and seven different stories.
 
2012-04-09 12:35:23 PM  

t3knomanser: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hoo boy! Wouldn't that piss mankind off! Aliens land and ignore us to talk to the dolphins!

Human beings are the only species to have an impact that could possibly be detected by aliens- and I'm talking about our radio signals. As small as our effective light-cone probably is, it's the biggest thing any terrestrial species has made.


When men enter the Forrest, they ignore the giant anthills and try to talk to the apes.

Oxygen in the atmosphere is the biggest telltale of life and nothing says aliens would be interested in our form of intelligence. It could be that simplistic electromagnetic squawks just aren't that interesting to them.
 
2012-04-09 12:39:19 PM  
It is highly suspicious (not that i am a conspiracy theorist mind you) that astronauts on a space station would be at all interested in anything so mundane as space junk...the only thing they would take note of would be aliens...cuz why would they be interested in space debris near their life bubble? Doesn't make sense, not that I am suggesting a conspiracy, I am just asking questions here.

/snark
 
2012-04-09 12:42:21 PM  

way south: Oxygen in the atmosphere is the biggest telltale of life


Actually, oxygen and methane together is the biggest indicator of life. Oxygen is pretty plentiful in places where we wouldn't expect to find life. But methane breaks down in the presence of oxygen, so if you see both, it means something is resupplying that methane.

Regardless, that requires a pretty detailed analysis of the Earth's emission spectra. Regular EM signals could be detected even if they weren't looking directly at the Earth, and would be a far more obvious telltale of intelligent alien life. Simplistic electromagnetic squawks are the definition of interesting- intelligence creates low-entropy regularities. Complex electromagnetic squawks are the opposite of interesting- they're basically just noise.

Interestingly, as we increasingly switch to compressed, digital radio, our radio signals are becoming less simplistic and more like noise- it's entirely probable that alien intelligences wouldn't look at a modern digital signal and see it as a sign of intelligence.
 
2012-04-09 12:44:07 PM  

hailin: I just don't get it. Why would aliens be so damn interested in us. After observing for a week they would think "Wow, this planet is farked. Lets go find a more intelligent species!" and fly off into the sunset.


I've always wondered what a sunset would look like from deep space...
 
2012-04-09 12:49:43 PM  
I am not saying I know what it was, but I know what it wasn't......

Ever since then, I want to go back to my old comfortable theories of thinking that all other life forms are too far ...

Mr. Guy
Well, one possible explanation is that's how ballistic trajectories coming right for you look. From head on it's just a dot slightly getting larger, from the side, it's a parabolic arc. How it looks to you depends on what portion of the trail you see. Did it appear to be coming in from almost directly ahead, before the sudden acceleration, which would indicate you were watching it burn in a relatively straight line toward you, in the upper atmosphere, before it suddenly passed overhead and plunged directly down into the ground. You may have been observing it coming closer to you for a significant portion of time before it passed over head and you could get a much better perspective on it's relative speed.

Mr. Guy - Believe me, I did consider that, however the "light" was moving North to South and never appeared to get bigger. It remained the same size for the entire flight. I watched the thing for at least an hour (yes, I have no life) and it moved painfully slow, no tail, no difference in size or speed until it took off like a shot, I mean it went from above the northern tree line (three fields away, lets say 30 acres from me) and traveled a minute (sp? mine oot), but measurable amount over about an hours time and suddenly took off and flew across the sky and if I blinked I would have missed it, and like I say, no tail, no increase in size, but went from north to the southern skyline in the time it would take you to say "one two", I damned near ruined my neck because I turned it so fast and if I would not have been sitting "sideways" to it, I never would have been able to see it the whole way. Kept me awake that night trying to find a logical explanation on the net, but never found anything that satisfied me.

And I admit that it certainly could have been something "natural" but I will be damned if I can figure out what it might have been. And no mention of it in assorted astronomical sites the next few days.

Just one of those things that kind of haunts my brain from time to time.
 
2012-04-09 12:53:10 PM  

crzybtch: It remained the same size for the entire flight.


If it were far away, small and you were mostly seeing reflected light, you wouldn't expect a visible size change.

crzybtch: and it moved painfully slow, no tail, no difference in size or speed until it took off like a shot


That really does sound like a satellite in a high orbit.
 
2012-04-09 01:04:28 PM  

xant: Anyone who is shocked at the shuttle crew seeing objects out the windows is an idiot.

[www.natural-environment.com image 430x350]


I know that picture looks like space is crowded.. but it's not. There's about 1k operating satellites. Now imagine that there's 1000 people on earth, how often do you think you'll see one? Now add the fact that all those people are at very different altitudes...
 
2012-04-09 01:15:04 PM  

ChaoticLimbs: .
As far as them forming a triangle, try choosing three points distributed at random that DON'T form a triangle.


What happens if they randomly end up in a line? Likely? No, but possible and **not** a triangle.

*----*----*

Now, as I think about it, you could make the argument that three points on a line are a triangle comprised of two zero degree angles and one 180 degree angle (assuming Euclidean geometry.) But then you get into the whole argument about can a zero degree angle actually be considered and angle. My head started to hurt when I started thinking about non-Euclidean geometry so fark that; I am sticking with colloquial definitions from now on...
 
2012-04-09 01:15:47 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: xant: Anyone who is shocked at the shuttle crew seeing objects out the windows is an idiot.

[www.natural-environment.com image 430x350]

I know that picture looks like space is crowded.. but it's not. There's about 1k operating satellites. Now imagine that there's 1000 people on earth, how often do you think you'll see one? Now add the fact that all those people are at very different altitudes...


I noted that the scale of the satellites in the picture seemed a bit off. Either that, or satellites are the size of the state of California.
 
2012-04-09 01:18:49 PM  

KimNorth: MindStalker: some_beer_drinker: [cdn.screenrant.com image 570x287]

lens flare?

I don't see the problem, that movie accurately showed the dangers not having enough radiation shielding causing random particles to excite the eye which causes astronauts to see spots.

Um, I may not understand how that works but wouldn't that mean that only they would see them and it not be recorded for all of us to watch if it were only them "seeing spots?"


It was a joke, but anyways I think cameras pick up radiation too, but the exact wavelengths picked up by the human eye and a camera censor are slightly different.
 
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