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2012-04-09 09:18:08 AM  

miss diminutive: This just means kids were able to set up their lemonade stands earlier. It boosted the economy and kept our children safe from sex and hard drugs.

Why do climatologists hate America?


Amen, sistah.

Still waiting for someone to write scholarly articles about Clamato, and how it also gets worse as time goes on.

Why do America's clam-juice beverage makers hate America?
 
2012-04-09 09:19:12 AM  

pecosdave: right now the temperature increase on Earth has been seen on Mars, Titan, Io, and Venus,


No, no it hasn't.
 
2012-04-09 09:20:11 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder:
I don't see anybody arguing against global warming, at least nobody with any kind of rational argument, which excludes trolls. Climate change is factual at this point. The arguments are about whether we little peeps are causing it.
We are not, though we are certainly contributing to it.
It has both human and natural causes, but the natural drivers are the most significant ones (But that's only if you buy the argument that humans are super-natural creatures.) Cazart!


I am just doubtful of the impact of human contribution. It is like we are on a vehicle making a curve and we are leaning with the curve. The question is what kind of vehicle are we on?

If we are on a train, our leaning wont affect the curve.
If we are on a snowmobile leaning has a significant impact.
If we are on a skateboard, there is no curve without us leaning.

I think we are somewhere between train and car.
 
2012-04-09 09:23:34 AM  
I'm not a 'denier' I just don't really care.
 
2012-04-09 09:25:36 AM  

Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Honestly, the fact that a couple of cities broke April all time record highs in March scares me a lot more than the sheer volume. That honestly shouldn't be possible. Mid-month too, which says that not only was no previous year on this day this hot but it was also hotter than it's ever been for the entire recorded history on for the next 45 days. To the best of my knowledge and it appears anyone else's, this has never happened before in recorded history. No temperature record had ever been shattered this bad. And these were cities with 100+ year record IIRC.

It's disturbing. But hey, it used to be hot 20 million years ago, so clearly we can't be changing anything.

While true, as far as I know the mechanics of this peculiar setup are well known. It was unprecedented in recorded meteorological records, but the setup up was pretty rare too.

/never thought I would live to see 80+ degrees in march.. let alone almost two weeks of them.


I saw 60-70 degrees in January in 1986. Drove in a military convoy from Ogden, UT to Washington DC. The entire trip was warm. We were all supposed to burn up in 1995.
 
2012-04-09 09:25:52 AM  

Muta: Equating the warm winter and March to global warming is as ignorant as when the Deniers call sarcastically call snow, "Global Warming" as in, "We have 18 inches of global warming in the ground" or "4 inches of Global Warming fell last night".


Weather does not equal climate.

A month full of record breaking temperatures might strongly hint at climate change.
 
2012-04-09 09:26:13 AM  

numbone: My money is on that nuclear fusion thingy that is1,300,000 times the volume of earth causing "global climate change".


Good thing you thought of that! It's a totally original thought that has never been considered by climate scientists!

Oh, wait. From Proceedings of the Royal Society A:


Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature

"There are many interesting palaeoclimate studies that suggest that solar variability had an influence on pre-industrial climate. There are also some detection-attribution studies using global climate models that suggest there was a detectable influence of solar variability in the first half of the twentieth century and that the solar radiative forcing variations were amplified by some mechanism that is, as yet, unknown. However, these findings are not relevant to any debates about modern climate change. Our results show that the observed rapid rise in global mean temperatures seen after 1985 cannot be ascribed to solar variability, whichever of the mechanisms is invoked and no matter how much the solar variation is amplified."

Note Figure 3: The changes in irradiance, sunspots, cosmic ray flux, etc. measured over the last several decades all point towards cooling, while the temperature continued to move in the other direction. It's also worth noting that while solar trends have a certain periodicity to them (which you can easily pull out with Fourier analysis and the like), the temperature trend shows only very minor components with those periodicities. If the solar irradiance was a major factor in driving the recently observed climate change, it would be readily detected.

Did you know we have a small pile of satellites that do nothing but monitor solar irradiance? It's true!

From the handy 2012 NASA article titled "Earth's Energy Budget Remained Out of Balance Despite Unusually Low Solar Activity"

www.nasa.gov
 
2012-04-09 09:26:29 AM  

mr lawson: however a quick Google search shows about a 2:1 trend

[www2.ucar.edu image 504x331]


Some cherry-picking there. On almost all the graphs, the 1950s-1970s are low-points on the temperature curves, and a fair bit down from the 1920s and 1930s. We do have data back to 1895, why not show it all?
 
2012-04-09 09:26:47 AM  
King Something

It snowed in Alaska this winter, therefore Global Warming is a myth derp derp herpa derp

it did more than just "snow" Winter snowfall record set in Anchorage

But you can fall back on your "glaciers are melting at a rate of 50bn tonnes of meltwater each year and not being replaced" *whargarble. Oh wait. That myth is dead too.
The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

Wait, we can always rely on "Hottest weather in history" (once we delete years that prove otherwise)
i39.tinypic.com

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995


Keep crying "Wolf" though, it builds your credibility.
 
2012-04-09 09:28:54 AM  
Weather does not equal climate. We get that.

However, they are directly related.

How many snowstorms occur at the equator? None, because of the warm climate. How many tornadoes occur at the North Pole? None, because of the cold climate. Same answer for how many hurricanes get their start at the poles, rather than at the equator.

Climate:cause::weather:effect
 
2012-04-09 09:29:13 AM  

ph0rk: A month full of record breaking temperatures might strongly hint at climate change.


No, not really. Most of the attribution studies on this topic suggest 20-30 years of global data are the minimum necessary to distinguish anthropogenic signal from natural variation.

Spoiler alert about what happens if you use sufficient runs of data:

i39.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-09 09:29:40 AM  

OnlyM3: Wait, we can always rely on "Hottest weather in history" (once we delete years that prove otherwise)


You seem not to understand the difference between human-kept historical records and what can be gleaned from ice cores and other historical methods on a geological scale.
 
2012-04-09 09:30:23 AM  

GORDON: I loved the unusually warm winter in Ohio. I'd very honestly like to see lots more of them.


You and me both. Cincy bars have already opened up their outside patios - it's been awesome getting to use them prior to mid-May.

Plus, I get to run and not freeze my balls off. Always a major plus for me.
 
2012-04-09 09:31:46 AM  

bmwericus: More heat means more water in atmosphere, which means more energy. This means larger storms and greater annual climate variations.


Except humidity is a temperature fluctuation moderator. It has a larger thermal inertia than dry air.

March was not only hot, it was dry.
 
2012-04-09 09:33:09 AM  

chimp_ninja: ph0rk: A month full of record breaking temperatures might strongly hint at climate change.

No, not really. Most of the attribution studies on this topic suggest 20-30 years of global data are the minimum necessary to distinguish anthropogenic signal from natural variation.

Spoiler alert about what happens if you use sufficient runs of data:

[i39.tinypic.com image 500x341]


I said strongly hint - I didn't say demonstrates evidence for.

Further, how is that graph computing average land temperature? We know quite well that any notable changes in climate will result in localized swings in temperature. global mean temp and its fellow travelers are a poor statistic to show that sort of phenomenon.
 
2012-04-09 09:33:44 AM  

OnlyM3: Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995 Keep crying "Wolf" though, it builds your credibility.


Hi. You've apparently been asleep over the last several years, are you're still pasting in the same tabloid articles form the Daily Mail. (By the way, why would you ever get your science from the Daily Mail? Was the National Enquirer too high-brow?) Every single investigation of the "Climategate" allegations has turned up precisely zero evidence of scientific fraud or misconduct.

But please, tell us what the Inspectors General of the NSF and Department of Commerce missed, along with the British House of Commons and 4 or 5 other independent bodies.
 
2012-04-09 09:35:41 AM  
I love climate change threads! Such pretty pictures and graphs....

/Someone turn the AC on please?
 
2012-04-09 09:36:30 AM  
On the flip side-

When the Liberals finally start telling their constituents, "You stupid, non-contributing idiots need to stop having 5-6 welfare babbies each!," we'll know they're actually serious about Global Climate Change. After all, they do nothing for the tax base, are a drain on the fiscal reserves, and each come with an energy footprint and resource requirements.

So, when you're targeting the Conservatives for actually working to supply the needs of all these people, (at a price,) be careful to not shoot yourselves in the foot.
 
2012-04-09 09:36:49 AM  
Here in Southern Oregon every day for the past 40 days the temps have been well under the historical average.
 
2012-04-09 09:39:36 AM  
Peer reviewed scientidic journals are only in doubt for cancer research, not climate change. Come on guys!
 
2012-04-09 09:42:00 AM  

OnlyM3: But you can fall back on your "glaciers are melting at a rate of 50bn tonnes of meltwater each year and not being replaced" *whargarble. Oh wait. That myth is dead too.


Someone should tell the glaciers that. From the GCRP:
"Glaciers have been retreating worldwide for at least the last century, and the rate of retreat has increased in the past decade. Only a few glaciers are actually advancing (in locations that were well below freezing, and where increased precipitation has outpaced melting). The total volume of glaciers on Earth is declining sharply. The progressive disappearance of glaciers has implications not only for the rise in global sea level, but also for water supplies in certain densely populated regions of Asia and South America."

Cumulative Decrease in Global Glacier Ice
www.globalchange.gov


And from NOAA's Arctic monitoring:
www.arctic.noaa.gov
 
2012-04-09 09:43:12 AM  
Yer all in the pocket of Big Weather!! Tom Skilling is the devil! John Coleman eats babies!! Willard Scott is a hundred years young today! AHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-04-09 09:43:39 AM  

GAT_00: Honestly, the fact that a couple of cities broke April all time record highs in March scares me a lot more than the sheer volume. That honestly shouldn't be possible. Mid-month too, which says that not only was no previous year on this day this hot but it was also hotter than it's ever been for the entire recorded history on for the next 45 days. To the best of my knowledge and it appears anyone else's, this has never happened before in recorded history. No temperature record had ever been shattered this bad. And these were cities with 100+ year record IIRC.

Totally agree. The rest of this is for the hardcore skeptics.

It's disturbing. But hey, it used to be hot 20 million years ago, so clearly we can't be changing anything.


I went to the St. Louis Zoo on March 13. It was 90 degrees.

Nah, nothing is out of the ordinary. I'm sure that the meteorologists who make those weather predictions we rely on when we plan our outings, who are saying that arctic ice melt is causing the jet stream to be jacked up, are just in on the conspiracy. People all over Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee will be relieved to learn that the massive swarm of tornadoes that hit our region is part of a liberal myth.

I've been skeptical of some of the shrillness, but the shrillness involved insisting that nothing is out of the ordinary, along with the notion that digging up sequestered carbon, burning it as fuel, and assuming it has zero effect, is just stupid.
 
2012-04-09 09:45:11 AM  

SVenus: austin_millbarge: Then again most deniers haven't got a clue about how this sort of phenomenon is studied and measure and probably couldn't pass a basic high school level science class, so that doesn't mean much either.

Here's a climatologist discussing what should be taught in schools:

[i.imgur.com image 500x807]

While it's apparently just his opinion, his advocating approaches hyperbole.

/oh, the derp, it flows both ways...


Well, if the middle case of projections are right, climate change could lead to millions of deaths and displacements and cause the extinctions of hundreds of species. I think he's wrong - it's a more serious moral issue than slavery.
 
2012-04-09 09:46:50 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I don't see anybody arguing against global warming, at least nobody with any kind of rational argument, which excludes trolls. Climate change is factual at this point. The arguments are about whether we little peeps are causing it.


There is no "argument" about whether we are causing it in scientific circles; it is accepted science. You are the exact sort of person I'm talking about - filled with a confidence born of ignorance.
 
2012-04-09 09:48:19 AM  

Muta: Equating the warm winter and March to global warming is as ignorant as when the Deniers call sarcastically call snow, "Global Warming" as in, "We have 18 inches of global warming in the ground" or "4 inches of Global Warming fell last night".


This. I believe in global climate change, and we are responsible for it, but if "it is cold out; therefore no global warming!" is invalid, so is "it is really hot out; therefore, global warming!".
 
2012-04-09 09:50:24 AM  

austin_millbarge: No shiat, the Conservative "establishment" should be farking ashamed of themselves for the bullshiat they throw at this issue. Instead they have millions of gullible idiots buying it hook line and sinker they depend on to keep their viewership numbers up to charge for ad rates so they say anything they think their viewers want to hear.

/enhanced that for you


Well, duh. Newscorp brings you both Sean Hannity and Brian Griffin. If the former becomes unprofitable, it will go away, as with the latter.

I love how some people think that FOX News is somehow on their side. No, they're not. They're telling you what you want to hear, because it makes them money.
 
2012-04-09 09:50:48 AM  
Humans are convinced that the most important events happen during their life time.

so, it being unusually warm last month means the world is ending.
 
2012-04-09 09:50:56 AM  

Nightsweat: Well, if the middle case of projections are right, climate change could lead to millions of deaths and displacements and cause the extinctions of hundreds of species. I think he's wrong - it's a more serious moral issue than slavery.


There's also a question of knowing vs. unknowing evil. None of the people whipping other human beings had an excuse for the suffering they caused.

A few decades ago, you could have made the case about uncertainty even among educated circles. Now, you can make the case that most laymen are being relentlessly misled by certain media outlets, and have no idea what they're contributing to.

The big questions will be droughts, aquaculture and agriculture, all of which will compound against unchecked population growth.

HAMMERTOE: When the Liberals finally start telling their constituents, "You stupid, non-contributing idiots need to stop having 5-6 welfare babbies each!," we'll know they're actually serious about Global Climate Change. After all, they do nothing for the tax base, are a drain on the fiscal reserves, and each come with an energy footprint and resource requirements.

So, when you're targeting the Conservatives for actually working to supply the needs of all these people, (at a price,) be careful to not shoot yourselves in the foot.


Um, ask yourself which party is against contraception, and in favor of abstinence-only sex education. American Conservatives and the worldwide religious right do plenty to encourage unchecked population growth.
 
2012-04-09 09:51:59 AM  

Gunther: HotIgneous Intruder: I don't see anybody arguing against global warming, at least nobody with any kind of rational argument, which excludes trolls. Climate change is factual at this point. The arguments are about whether we little peeps are causing it.

There is no "argument" about whether we are causing it in scientific circles; it is accepted science. You are the exact sort of person I'm talking about - filled with a confidence born of ignorance.


I'm glad it is accepted science now. That sure takes a load off my mind. It sure is a good thing that we never question accepted science.

Oh wait...wasn't flat earth accepted science at one point too? Nah, that is totally different and I know it.
 
2012-04-09 09:57:01 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Gunther: HotIgneous Intruder: I don't see anybody arguing against global warming, at least nobody with any kind of rational argument, which excludes trolls. Climate change is factual at this point. The arguments are about whether we little peeps are causing it.

There is no "argument" about whether we are causing it in scientific circles; it is accepted science. You are the exact sort of person I'm talking about - filled with a confidence born of ignorance.

I'm glad it is accepted science now. That sure takes a load off my mind. It sure is a good thing that we never question accepted science.

Oh wait...wasn't flat earth accepted science at one point too? Nah, that is totally different and I know it.


One of my favorite quotes from Isaac Asimov:

"The young specialist in English Lit, having quoted me, went on to lecture me severely on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood the universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern "knowledge" is that it is wrong. The young man then quoted with approval what Socrates had said on learning that the Delphic oracle had proclaimed him the wisest man in Greece. "If I am the wisest man," said Socrates, "it is because I alone know that I know nothing." the implication was that I was very foolish because I was under the impression I knew a great deal.

My answer to him was, "John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

The basic trouble, you see, is that people think that "right" and "wrong" are absolute; that everything that isn't perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong. "
 
2012-04-09 09:57:21 AM  
Fark climate threads are for dinosaurs and dodos
Man is unnatural. Man might be made of nature, but man also has the secret "act against nature" particle in the driver's seat. Man is magical animal made to unmake. Beavers build dams. Man builds nuclear bombs. Same difference. The difference is the same.
 
2012-04-09 09:58:19 AM  
Oh great. As if climatologists aren't "hard" scientists. I wonder what the curriculum for a climatologist would look like at any given university? I wonder if it would include "hard" science courses of your Very Special ilk. Hmm.

'Hard' science is generally held to be that which is supported by experiments where you vary the initial conditions to test your knowledge of correlating factors and elimiate possible free variables that could skew the results.

'Soft' sciences are those which rely on statistical analysis of real-world systems that are too large and/or complicated to break down into experiments.

That's not to say soft scientists don't know math.. far from it. They know math better than almost anyone, because that's how they arrange their information and explore the validity of their hypotheses.

But unless you can point to a 'planetary weather laboratory', climatology is a statistical science.

It also happens to be a brach of science that's developed an unhealthy fascination with computer models, many of which get set to making predictions that can't be rigorously validated or invalidated until long after the researcher's career will be over.

I'm not saying that's wrong, and I'm not saying that's unethical. I am saying that the scientific method's ability to find and correct errors will have to work on a similar timescale.
 
2012-04-09 10:04:46 AM  
FTFA: Vermonters are dreading early leaves for an entirely different reason. Arnold Coombs, a seventh-generation maple syrup farmer, says that when he was a kid, a tree would never be tapped before the first Tuesday in March.

"This year, you had to be tapping by the second week just to get those first runs of sap," he says.

Every spring, syrup farmers have to move fast because when trees sprout leaves, the chemical composition of the syrup changes. As soon as that change happens, Coombs says, the syrup is not very good. The problem with this year is that happened very early.

So production is down and you might see syrup prices up this year. You might also see higher crime, says Martin Flask, director of public safety in Cleveland.


encrypted-tbn3.google.com
It's the great syrup riots of 2012. The Mayans were right.
 
2012-04-09 10:05:17 AM  

Tricky Chicken: I'm glad it is accepted science now. That sure takes a load off my mind. It sure is a good thing that we never question accepted science.


Pointing out that global warming is accepted science to someone who says that it's not being caused by humans is not equivalent to saying "global warming should never be questioned!", or whatever retarded shiat you misconstrued my post to say.

If you actually had any worthwhile arguments, you wouldn't have to resort to this contemptible strawman bullshiat.
 
2012-04-09 10:06:36 AM  

Erix:
The basic trouble, you see, is that people think that "right" and "wrong" are absolute; that everything that isn't perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong. "


I do not doubt that humans are having a contributory influence on climate change. Nor do I doubt that if I throw a ball off the back of a train it makes the train go faster. I also accept that if I stand on a skabeboard and throw the same ball, the skateboard will move. It is just that one reaction is much more negligible than the other.

If you want to make the skateboard stop, it would be a good idea to get me to stop throwing my balls around.

If you want to stop the train, you should probably concentrate on something other than my balls.
 
2012-04-09 10:07:43 AM  

OnlyM3:
it did more than just "snow" Winter snowfall record set in Anchorage


That. Climate change, global warming, whatever you want to call it, I am just tired of being up to my ass in snow.

If y'all aren't using that excess heat, we will be more than happy to take it off your hands.
 
2012-04-09 10:09:57 AM  

Nightsweat: Well, if the middle case of projections are right, climate change could lead to millions of deaths and displacements and cause the extinctions of hundreds of species. I think he's wrong - it's a more serious moral issue than slavery.


Perhaps you should petition to have that sentiment printed in bold lettering on the first page of the IPCC AR5.

/good luck with that consensus building.
 
2012-04-09 10:12:16 AM  
Link (new window)
 
2012-04-09 10:12:21 AM  
The Earth was once entirely molten. Clearly we're on a cooling trend.
 
2012-04-09 10:12:42 AM  
Just to get it out of the way... If you don't believe in Climate Change you are an idiot and arguing with you would be like arguing with a rock.

I wonder how this will effect North America in the next decade? Maybe it will inspire us to do great works again like knocking the tops off the Rocky Mountains to allow more rain into the center of the US. Maybe also build artificial mountains in the midwest to force the rain to fall there rather than drenching the northeast with too much? I saw an article about a guy who designed inflatable mountains, so they could be kind of like sky damns. I'd like to see us do huge, cool things again.
 
2012-04-09 10:14:01 AM  

pecosdave: Global warming may be a myth.

Climate change is not. Climate change has always happened - such as:

The Medieval Warm Period

Which preceded the Little ice Age


I don't know why you didn't post the graph in your links.
It pretty much makes subby's point.

upload.wikimedia.org

/2012 projects off the chart.
//linked hot like the weather
 
2012-04-09 10:14:24 AM  
Wasn't data just released suggesting that global warming might have been the result of the sun cycle and the ocean cycles moreso than strictly CO2, and that the global warming trend ended in 1997?

Article link

i.dailymail.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-04-09 10:17:18 AM  

hitlersbrain: Just to get it out of the way... If you don't believe in Climate Change you are an idiot and arguing with you would be like arguing with a rock.

I wonder how this will effect North America in the next decade? Maybe it will inspire us to do great works again like knocking the tops off the Rocky Mountains to allow more rain into the center of the US. Maybe also build artificial mountains in the midwest to force the rain to fall there rather than drenching the northeast with too much? I saw an article about a guy who designed inflatable mountains, so they could be kind of like sky damns. I'd like to see us do huge, cool things again.


Neither of those projects would get past their environmental impact assessments.
 
2012-04-09 10:17:54 AM  

pecosdave: BurnShrike: EatTheWorld: like were gonna have 7 billion people living in mud huts and riding bicycles.. lmao

This is what idiots actually believe we want them to live like.

I love biking and I would LOVE to build and live in a well made modern adobe home.

(adobe is great for a lot of reasons)


Sure it's great, but why does it have to update every other day?!?!
 
2012-04-09 10:19:02 AM  

rmoody: Mister Peejay: pecosdave: Global warming may be a myth.

Climate change is not. Climate change has always happened - such as:

The Medieval Warm Period

Which preceded the Little ice Age

Of course there was also the prehistoric, though not pre-human Holocene Clamatic Optimum.

Anyone who denies climate change is barking nuts. Those who blame it on people may or may not have some points, right now the temperature increase on Earth has been seen on Mars, Titan, Io, and Venus, so I'm not blaming all of it on people, though we may have caused a little.

With a reasonable attitude like that, you're sure to be ignored.

Bullshiat. (new window)

"The truth is somewhere in the middle" doesn't apply to science. Science doesn't care about how fair you want to be to drooling morons who ignore that every single point of data we have regarding climate change points towards anthropomorphic causes.

This is not a political game FARK. It's NOT reality. You do get to cheerleader or negotiate here. You either It doesn`t matter if you do the right thing, or you do the wrong thing.


FTFY

img.photobucket.com
www.grandrapidsnightout.com
 
2012-04-09 10:19:54 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Gunther: HotIgneous Intruder: I don't see anybody arguing against global warming, at least nobody with any kind of rational argument, which excludes trolls. Climate change is factual at this point. The arguments are about whether we little peeps are causing it.

There is no "argument" about whether we are causing it in scientific circles; it is accepted science. You are the exact sort of person I'm talking about - filled with a confidence born of ignorance.

I'm glad it is accepted science now. That sure takes a load off my mind. It sure is a good thing that we never question accepted science.

Oh wait...wasn't flat earth accepted science at one point too? Nah, that is totally different and I know it.


No. Even Ptolemy knew the Earth was round. He did a famous experiment measuring the shadows of sticks known to be the same length at different parts of Egypt.
 
2012-04-09 10:20:39 AM  

Gunther: Tricky Chicken: I'm glad it is accepted science now. That sure takes a load off my mind. It sure is a good thing that we never question accepted science.

Pointing out that global warming is accepted science to someone who says that it's not being caused by humans is not equivalent to saying "global warming should never be questioned!", or whatever retarded shiat you misconstrued my post to say.

If you actually had any worthwhile arguments, you wouldn't have to resort to this contemptible strawman bullshiat.


You seem to rely entirely on the arguments of others. You quote somebody elses "accepted science" and even hyperlink to it. Then you dismiss others with accepted argument counters such as calling it a 'strawman'. Do you also often refer to ad hominem attacks? Do you have a reference chart handy so you can point out various falacies? Do you know how it was determined that they are falacies, or do you just accept the standard denunciation of them as rote?

I read your hyperlink on the 'accepted science'. Funny, nothing I've said disagrees with what you posted. At least not precluded by it. Sure the vast majority of the expert climate scientists agreed in a gallup poll that the activites of humans have had contributory influence on climate change. They would also likely agree that urinating in a pool will increase the water level. I saw nothing in your reference to indicate that the consensus position is that human factors are overwhelming.
 
2012-04-09 10:24:59 AM  
chimp_ninja
Hi. You've apparently been asleep over the last several years, are you're still pasting in the same tabloid articles form the Daily Mail..

Nice try, but only 1 out of 3 were to the Daily Mail. If you dislike them as a source, fine here it is the same data from another source. Is the BBC up to your standards? You dismissed Reuters, so I have to ask.

Q&A: Professor Phil Jones
Q - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
A -Yes,


He then flip flops a year later.
Last year, he told BBC News that post-1995 warming was not significant - a statement still seen on blogs critical of the idea of man-made climate change.

But another year of data has pushed the trend past the threshold usually used to assess whether trends are "real".

Pick a side fraud.


But please, tell us what the Inspectors General of the NSF and Department of Commerce missed, along with the British House of Commons

Department of Commerce and BHoC are political groups. FFS, you take everything said in the House of Representatives as scientific fact too?

How about facing the fact that after coming to a consensus with scientists at the IPCC meeting that there is no conclusive proof of "man made global warming", the politicians rewrote said report after dismissing the scientists.

How about facing the fact that the Antarctic Ice sheet is growing (multiple sources) Not shrinking as the global warming religion preaches.
Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking
Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away
 
2012-04-09 10:25:26 AM  

Gunther: There is no "argument" about whether we are causing it in scientific circles; it is accepted science. You are the exact sort of person I'm talking about - filled with a confidence born of ignorance.


How does it feel to know dick about bupkis? Does it feel good? Is it like that secy feeling?
 
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