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(NPR)   Across the country, more than 7,700 daily temperature records were broken last month, but the jury is still out on this whole climate change thing   (npr.org) divider line 346
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2012-04-09 07:09:59 AM

Muta: Equating the warm winter and March to global warming is as ignorant as when the Deniers call sarcastically call snow, "Global Warming" as in, "We have 18 inches of global warming in the ground" or "4 inches of Global Warming fell last night".


QFT
 
Skr
2012-04-09 07:11:58 AM
At this rate I'm sure by next month we'll be saying...

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2012-04-09 07:12:56 AM

Copper Spork: Very nice, but that doesn't take into account that in the 1950s, the records hadn't been running for as long, so the graph doesn't actually tell you anything.


Actually it does. You would expect records to go in both directions if there was no general climate trend, rather than seeing a 2:1 bias of hot records vs cold records.

/can't believe I'm commenting in a Fark climate thread
//the stupid, it burns
 
2012-04-09 07:13:31 AM
If it gets women wearing revealing clothing more often, I'm all for it.
 
2012-04-09 07:16:11 AM
That's not climate, that's weather.

At least that is the argument when there are record lows or heavy snowstorms.
 
2012-04-09 07:16:22 AM

crouchingturbo: Actually it does. You would expect records to go in both directions if there was no general climate trend, rather than seeing a 2:1 bias of hot records vs cold records.


That depends upon what kind of distribution you're measuring. You haven't established that, so you can't make the claim you're making. "Obvious" is not "true", and you'd get laughed out of the hard sciences for the kind of comments you just made.

/stats is difficult
 
2012-04-09 07:16:56 AM
7,700 sounds like a lot... oh wait, each "record' is for a very tiny area? So that large number is not actually that significant? And we've also only been keeping track of temperatures for what, a bit over 100 years? Wow, I am just so shocked at this is undeniable, smoking gun proof that CO2 is going to kill us all.

Wait, I know how we can makes this even bigger proof. "Attention Earth: the temperature record of over ONE BILLION [one square inch] areas was broken last month! WE ARE DOOMED. WE MUST NOT STOP UNTIL THE EARTH IS BACK IN TO AN ICE AGE."
 
2012-04-09 07:17:02 AM

pecosdave: Global warming may be a myth.

Climate change is not. Climate change has always happened - such as:

The Medieval Warm Period

Which preceded the Little ice Age

Of course there was also the prehistoric, though not pre-human Holocene Clamatic Optimum.

Anyone who denies climate change is barking nuts. Those who blame it on people may or may not have some points, right now the temperature increase on Earth has been seen on Mars, Titan, Io, and Venus, so I'm not blaming all of it on people, though we may have caused a little.


With a reasonable attitude like that, you're sure to be ignored.
 
2012-04-09 07:20:00 AM
Well its easter here in NZ, usually what you guys call fall, every year at this time it rains hardout and its cold, however we spent the day at the beach all day today. Global warming ftw. Cept for all that death n stuff.
 
2012-04-09 07:21:07 AM
Cue links to confirmation biased charts, graphs, and articles.

Nevertheless, crab fishing in the Chesapeake Bay is awesome and brought to you by ... Climate Change! Ta-da! (Chesapeake Bay was formed when glacial meltwater raised sea levels over the past 13,000 years. Look it up. It's true (new window).)

Extra credit thought question: How did the Bering Strait land bridge become submerged?

/You're not going to stop climate change, bro, no matter what you do.
 
2012-04-09 07:21:31 AM
The world is ending there's nothing anyone can do just give up and kill yourselves. If you send us $250 dollars we'll send you an NPR totebag.
 
2012-04-09 07:21:32 AM

pecosdave: Global warming may be a myth.

Climate change is not. Climate change has always happened - such as:

The Medieval Warm Period

Which preceded the Little ice Age

Of course there was also the prehistoric, though not pre-human Holocene Clamatic Optimum.

Anyone who denies climate change is barking nuts. Those who blame it on people may or may not have some points, right now the temperature increase on Earth has been seen on Mars, Titan, Io, and Venus, so I'm not blaming all of it on people, though we may have caused a little.


You there, and with the logic and research.. You need to leave the thread eight meow
 
2012-04-09 07:24:02 AM
It snowed once in NYC this season. In October.
 
2012-04-09 07:24:10 AM

Where wolf: You need to leave the thread eight meow


Do you just say "meow"?
 
2012-04-09 07:24:25 AM
Copper Spork, out with it man. What are you here to tell us? That people without degrees in climatology shouldn't talk about the weather? Or that not enough data has been gathered to be legitimately concerned?

Spit it out, tell us.
 
2012-04-09 07:25:07 AM

H31N0US: Where wolf: You need to leave the thread eight meow

Do you just say "meow"?


No, he said "right now".

You clearly have pussy on your mind.
 
2012-04-09 07:27:33 AM
The little one swivels her eye stalk to her father busy setting up a picnic lunch, "Daddy what killed off ... how do you say it again ... hoo-man-itty?"

"Stupidity my child."
 
2012-04-09 07:29:02 AM

Mister Peejay: pecosdave: Global warming may be a myth.

Climate change is not. Climate change has always happened - such as:

The Medieval Warm Period

Which preceded the Little ice Age

Of course there was also the prehistoric, though not pre-human Holocene Clamatic Optimum.

Anyone who denies climate change is barking nuts. Those who blame it on people may or may not have some points, right now the temperature increase on Earth has been seen on Mars, Titan, Io, and Venus, so I'm not blaming all of it on people, though we may have caused a little.

With a reasonable attitude like that, you're sure to be ignored.


Bullshiat. (new window)

"The truth is somewhere in the middle" doesn't apply to science. Science doesn't care about how fair you want to be to drooling morons who ignore that every single point of data we have regarding climate change points towards anthropomorphic causes.

This is not a political game. It's reality. You don't get to cheerleader or negotiate here. You either do the right thing, or you do the wrong thing.
 
2012-04-09 07:31:25 AM

Sgygus: Copper Spork, out with it man. What are you here to tell us? That people without degrees in climatology shouldn't talk about the weather? Or that not enough data has been gathered to be legitimately concerned?


That people with degrees in climatology should start holding themselves to the same standards as the hard sciences, that being a climate sceptic should be treated as a good thing like it is everywhere else in science, and that people who haven't done statistics at university level should stop using graphs as evidence. I'll remind you that all the good arguments against evolution came from science (e.g. Lord Kelvin), not religion, and that evolution became such a strong theory by carefully refuting all those arguments, not by having scientifically illiterate former politicians do PR for them.

/mostly annoyed because climate scientists get away with the kind of stuff that would get those of us in respectable sciences laughed out of a job
 
2012-04-09 07:34:35 AM
This planet has no idea we are even here. It was not made just for humans and it's never been a stagnant entity. Climate changes, I don't think we have anything to do with it.
 
2012-04-09 07:34:45 AM
I loved the unusually warm winter in Ohio. I'd very honestly like to see lots more of them.
 
2012-04-09 07:36:15 AM

rmoody: "The truth is somewhere in the middle" doesn't apply to science.


Now you're just getting silly. You're saying there it's not possible that there are two correct answers, when reality clearly shows that is more often the case than not.
There is no question about climate change. It's happening. Global warming is a reality.

But it's not primarily being caused by humans, as evidenced by plenty of massive, Massive climate change contained in the paleoclimatological record, none of it caused by people or people-build devices.

Enjoy the ride. Enjoy that there's not two miles of ice where you live right now. Enjoy the balmy temps. Because talking about it isn't going to do anything about it. Move to the Island of Anthropogenic Warmers, preferably in the middle of the Pacific without internet access and do your social engineering there, among similarly amok delusional zealots.
Repeat. Enjoy.
 
2012-04-09 07:36:35 AM
Nuclear power - build, baby build!
 
2012-04-09 07:36:56 AM

Uncle Tractor: pecosdave: right now the temperature increase on Earth has been seen on Mars, Titan, Io, and Venus, so I'm not blaming all of it on people, though we may have caused a little.

[citation needed]


National Geographic

NASA

Mars, Neptune, Triton and Pluto Tuscon Citizen

Neptune World Climate Report

Venus

Please - no fallacies - the typical non-believer response is to look at the sources, find one you don't like so you discredit the whole lot. Please work to discredit individually.
 
2012-04-09 07:38:59 AM
While climate change is a fact, and has factors other than humanity, it's the rate of change which concerns serious scientists. With a climate that changes too rapidly, the Earth's various ecosystems aren't allowed the time necessary to acclimatize to the new "norms". Taken as a whole, the planet is only one ecological disaster from planet-wide extinction of entire groups of fauna and flora. This can and probably will extend all the way up the food chain to humanity, as we've not taken responsible steps to check our own spread and effect upon the system like we assume the right to do for most other species. Make no mistake about it, both major political parties are equally to blame. The "Conservatives", because they are all about the pillaging and irresponsible exploitation of natural resources for the profit of the greedy elite. The "Liberals" because they are all about "reproductive rights" without any concern about the accompanying "reproductive responsibilities", for the profit of their power-hungry political elite. In the political parties' war with each other, they have blindly marched us to the brink of disaster. An over-simplification, possibly, but still the spot-on truth.
 
2012-04-09 07:39:40 AM

ko_kyi: Nuclear power - build, baby build!


LFTR?
 
2012-04-09 07:43:21 AM
Right, just like there was a lot of silence last year when 49 of 50 states had some sort of snowfall. Trust anyone who says "global warming" or "climate change" is real or fake about as far as you can throw them. They all have an agenda and they all want to get paid. In the end, they're still weathermen and women, and are never accurate.
 
2012-04-09 07:44:33 AM
Copper Spork: annoyed because climate scientists get away with...

Annoyed with climate scientists or the media? Annoyed with climate scientists or the general public? Annoyed with climate scientists or with your fellow farkers?

It is hard not to be constantly annoyed with the plethora of ignorant people.

Thank goodness for all the wit and humor here.

/that and drugs
 
2012-04-09 07:44:57 AM

GORDON: I loved the unusually warm winter in Ohio. I'd very honestly like to see lots more of them.


Amen to that! 2012 best winter ever!

I suggest you tree huggers trade in the hybrid for something that pollutes a lot more, so we can make this past winter the norm!

/fark the polar bears
 
2012-04-09 07:45:13 AM
Why throw the number 7,700 out there and not just say that it was a record setting month for most of the country? The number could be a brazillion if more reporting stations were used.
 
2012-04-09 07:45:41 AM
In other news neither side is comprised mostly of climatologists yet both sides instantly jump to any conclusion they find convenient.
 
2012-04-09 07:46:14 AM

lewismarktwo: LFTR?


yes. (new window)
 
2012-04-09 07:46:49 AM
The same people that always say: 'Weather != Climate' are now using this as proof positive evidence for global warming?
 
2012-04-09 07:47:39 AM

Copper Spork: That people with degrees in climatology should start holding themselves to the same standards as the hard sciences,


Oh great. As if climatologists aren't "hard" scientists. I wonder what the curriculum for a climatologist would look like at any given university? I wonder if it would include "hard" science courses of your Very Special ilk. Hmm.
 
2012-04-09 07:48:01 AM

HAMMERTOE: equally to blame. The "Conservatives", because they are all about the pillaging and irresponsible exploitation of natural resources for the profit of the greedy elite.


those greedy bastards!!!

/fark gasoline!
 
2012-04-09 07:48:29 AM
Weather does not equal climate. Isn't that what we always heard when we were having a catastrophic winter last year?
 
2012-04-09 07:48:52 AM

EatTheWorld: /fark the polar bears


But they're so CUTE.

/And would eat you, your, or your neighbors' children given half a chance.
 
2012-04-09 07:48:55 AM

rmoody: pecos


Wow, so you cite a fundamentalist list. Awesome. Please explain the Martian thing lining up with ours.

I for one do not know how much humans have influenced the overall climate, I know the slash and burn stuff going on in the Amazon doesn't help, I know building concrete and asphalt jungles don't help to keep things cool, but I also know the phenomenon isn't unique to right now or our planet.

I personally like a rational hippie approach. I mostly pretend that the barking nuts people like yourself are right - because I don't like pollution. I bike to work as often as I can, only bought one tank of gas last November. (if you knew my non-optional trips you would be impressed by the November thing) I do my best not to create more trash than necessary. I prefer eating at a restaraunt over take-out, less containers and the dishes get washed instead of tossed. Until I was ordered by a doctor to stay off the green veggies I was reducing my meat intake, and I will again once I'm cleared eat spinach, broccoli and the like again (things related to this are why I'm not able to get away with only one tank for any month so far this year).

Nope - not believing the Al Gore version of things doesn't make me some sort of ignorant, denialistic, self justified non-caring polluter, it makes me a rational environmentalist.
 
2012-04-09 07:50:59 AM
Dog Welder: Weather does not equal climate.

One of these summers we are going to get slapped so hard by the weather that we won't care if it was the weather or the climate that is withering our crops.
 
2012-04-09 07:51:51 AM
So there is climate change.
Why the histrionics? There is no way to get mankind to internationally cooperate (and to endure discomfort/inconvenience) to solve the climate "problem" - no effing way. Humans will adapt on an individual and local basis and everything will be OK (or OK enough, which is the current state of most of the world).
 
2012-04-09 07:53:27 AM
hey, piss off...

we're expecting snow in PA this week...

yea, in April.
 
2012-04-09 07:54:32 AM

snorkblaster: So there is climate change.
Why the histrionics? There is no way to get mankind to internationally cooperate (and to endure discomfort/inconvenience) to solve the climate "problem" - no effing way. Humans will adapt on an individual and local basis and everything will be OK (or OK enough, which is the current state of most of the world).



THIS THIS ANS THIS!

like were gonna have 7 billion people living in mud huts and riding bicycles.. lmao
 
2012-04-09 07:54:43 AM
Climate change is the liberal jesus therefore pollution is good.
 
2012-04-09 07:55:38 AM

EatTheWorld: like were gonna have 7 billion people living in mud huts and riding bicycles.. lmao


This is what idiots actually believe we want them to live like.
 
2012-04-09 07:56:25 AM

pecosdave: Please - no fallacies - the typical non-believer response is to look at the sources, find one you don't like so you discredit the whole lot. Please work to discredit individually.


I got no further than the first link.

In the fifth paragraph, Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

Then, the article's last paragraph states: "The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."

So, despite the dropping irradiance of the sun, the sun is still responsible for increased warming. Hmm.
 
2012-04-09 07:57:29 AM

pecosdave: I personally like a rational hippie approach


Lulz, what?
 
2012-04-09 07:57:51 AM

BurnShrike: EatTheWorld: like were gonna have 7 billion people living in mud huts and riding bicycles.. lmao

This is what idiots actually believe we want them to live like.


I love biking and I would LOVE to build and live in a well made modern adobe home.

(adobe is great for a lot of reasons)
 
2012-04-09 07:59:42 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: You're not going to stop climate change, bro, no matter what you do.


Lets assume that human beings are 100% at fault for global climate change, and significant changes in our behavior could change or even re-mediate increased warming.

Does anyone really think that those changes will really happen? Remember, not only the first world nations, but developing nations have to make radical changes. While the basic concept of green policy may be popular, implementation is the opposite. And that's in the first world, developing nations are much more focused on economic growth and development. In their view, if developed nations put in policies that clearly retard growth, so much the better; they grow all the faster in response.

It's very simple, the climate is changing, and were going along for the ride. We adapt, or we die. The sooner we give up the idiotic idea that we can change human behavior on a global scale the better.
 
2012-04-09 08:00:12 AM

pecosdave:
Nope - not believing the Al Gore version of things doesn't make me some sort of ignorant, denialistic, self justified non-caring polluter, it makes me a rational environmentalist.

Environmentalist or Conservationist? (new window)
 
2012-04-09 08:00:58 AM
1) man-made climate change is real
2) the recent mild winter is likely due to some meteorological anomaly rather than climate change
3) weather ≠ climate

you may now resume your wharrgarbl.
 
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