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2012-04-08 09:03:42 PM
Good! Maybe they can inflate our sh*tty engineering numbers!
 
2012-04-08 09:27:41 PM
Okay. You get a +1 for the relatively obscure Anthony Edwards 80s movie reference, subby.
 
2012-04-08 10:13:37 PM
wait - I thought the next Red Scare wasn't scheduled until 2016...?
 
2012-04-08 10:15:30 PM

Weaver95: wait - I thought the next Red Scare wasn't scheduled until 2016...?


Isn't that about when those student-spies graduate?
 
2012-04-08 10:23:16 PM
Works for me.
i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-04-08 10:26:15 PM

King Something: Weaver95: wait - I thought the next Red Scare wasn't scheduled until 2016...?

Isn't that about when those student-spies graduate?


now that you mention it...
 
2012-04-08 10:44:31 PM
It's true, I'm surrounded by students and professors from Asia and Europe. They even go home some times.
 
2012-04-08 11:13:19 PM

foo monkey: Works for me.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


I went there... definitely not to the 80s. I'm glad to go there, too.

/bunk
 
2012-04-08 11:26:46 PM
These spies are terrible at group work and always want me to be their "editor".
 
2012-04-09 12:27:56 AM

Shostie: Okay. You get a +1 for the relatively obscure Anthony Edwards 80s movie reference, subby.


i286.photobucket.com

Nothing is obscure on Fark
 
2012-04-09 12:36:07 AM
And anyone with a university education has been working with the enemy. They need to prove their loyalty to the good ol US of A before they can go further.
 
2012-04-09 12:49:40 AM

Shostie: Okay. You get a +1 for the relatively obscure Anthony Edwards 80s movie reference, subby.


foo monkey: Works for me.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


It's the rare thread in which two fanbases fight over which was being referenced.

/pretty sure this was a Community reference
//the girl who dressed up as Western Annie for Halloween was extremely awesome
 
2012-04-09 01:36:38 AM
Oleg Kalugin, the highest ranking KGB agent to ever split for the US, went to college in America to establish a cover for the KGB, so this is another case of news not being news, just Fark.
 
2012-04-09 01:44:58 AM

Makh: And anyone with a university education has been working with the enemy. They need to prove their loyalty to the good ol US of A before they can go further.


I know it's a joke, but I'm sure this will happen. It's just a tiny push to start investigating professors and students, checking in on the campus, surveillance on political groups on college.

America, congratulations.
 
2012-04-09 01:49:37 AM
Is there actually something going on in American universities that foreign spies can't get online?

Genuine question, because it's hard to imagine students need to come all the way here to "ask questions" when you can do the same thing from the comfortable anonymity of your home nation.
 
2012-04-09 01:50:42 AM
awww, why can't we all just get along?
 
2012-04-09 01:52:10 AM
Red Dawn: The College Years?
 
2012-04-09 01:54:14 AM

WhyteRaven74: Oleg Kalugin, the highest ranking KGB agent to ever split for the US, went to college in America to establish a cover for the KGB, so this is another case of news not being news, just Fark.


Read this many years ago:

KGB: The Inside Story of Its Foreign Operations from Lenin to Gorbachev (new window)

Pretty kick-ass book. Also, remember this game: Spycraft: the Great Game (new window)

Oleg is an interesting dude.
 
2012-04-09 01:54:50 AM
Reminds me one day when in intro to engineering we were lectured on not giving out project/work info to beautiful women, and that if a beautiful woman came up and talked to us it was probably not because they wanted to sleep with us.

I was a smart ass and asked "how can we be sure they just aren't after my rugged good looks?"

He then looked at me and said "Occam's razer"
 
2012-04-09 01:55:55 AM

NewportBarGuy: KGB: The Inside Story of Its Foreign Operations from Lenin to Gorbachev (new window)


Oops... Wrong Oleg. How many Olegs are there?!

Meh, still an awesome book.
 
2012-04-09 01:59:01 AM

Aamelrons: Reminds me one day when in intro to engineering we were lectured on not giving out project/work info to beautiful women, and that if a beautiful woman came up and talked to us it was probably not because they wanted to sleep with us.

I was a smart ass and asked "how can we be sure they just aren't after my rugged good looks?"

He then looked at me and said "Occam's razer"


So....you were in college in 1952?
 
2012-04-09 02:08:00 AM

FishyFred: Shostie: Okay. You get a +1 for the relatively obscure Anthony Edwards 80s movie reference, subby.

foo monkey: Works for me.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

It's the rare thread in which two fanbases fight over which was being referenced.

/pretty sure this was a Community reference
//the girl who dressed up as Western Annie for Halloween was extremely awesome


Wait, who dressed as western annie?
 
2012-04-09 02:20:37 AM
Why infiltrate? Many of the liberal faculty members would already seem to be prime willing traitors already.
 
2012-04-09 02:23:44 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there actually something going on in American universities that foreign spies can't get online?

Genuine question, because it's hard to imagine students need to come all the way here to "ask questions" when you can do the same thing from the comfortable anonymity of your home nation.


As far as actual learning, the only thing university classes are good for is providing you with the topic/questions. And, really, with the way Google can basically read our minds, that isn't even useful anymore.
 
2012-04-09 02:29:48 AM
DNRTFA, but I'm guessing this is what happens when you have a for-profit higher-education system that can charge more to foreign students, and therefore recruits heavily outside the country. This leads to a large foreign student population, which makes it easy for foreign spies to slip in. As a bonus, said foreign spy-students no doubt get their expensive tuition paid for by the government they're spying for.

We should probably retaliate. I volunteer to help - I wouldn't mind going to graduate school, anybody need someone to spy on biotech or industrial microbiological research in, say, Canada?
(Or Germany, or Scandinavia? Wouldn't mind spying around there sometime. I'm pretty sure Austria's up to something, too.)

(CIA will pay my tuition and expenses, right? For the good of the country, of course.)
 
2012-04-09 02:32:31 AM

Aamelrons: Reminds me one day when in intro to engineering we were lectured on not giving out project/work info to beautiful women, and that if a beautiful woman came up and talked to us it was probably not because they wanted to sleep with us.

I was a smart ass and asked "how can we be sure they just aren't after my rugged good looks?"

He then looked at me and said "Occam's razer"


When the f--k did you graduate?

/woman with an engineering degree
//granted 'if it's too good to be true be wary' is generally good advice
 
2012-04-09 02:39:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there actually something going on in American universities that foreign spies can't get online?

Genuine question, because it's hard to imagine students need to come all the way here to "ask questions" when you can do the same thing from the comfortable anonymity of your home nation.


I got a random email from Iran in college. I was secretary of a society that showed up first on google when you searched for our field. That was fun, as was the linked in message after.


That said the international students in our program were vetted and most are still in the states. This spy nonsense sounds like bs fearmongering to me.

And truth be told 95% of the knowledge I had could be found online or via Amazon. The other 5% was mostly wink wink nudge nudge stuff a few professors obliquely refered to.
 
2012-04-09 02:39:34 AM

NewportBarGuy: Oleg is an interesting dude.


He is. He was also involved with Spy Tours in DC where he'd take people around and show them places the KGB used for meetings and drop points and such.
 
2012-04-09 02:46:19 AM
How do you think Kazakhstan rose to be the greatest exporter of potassium? All other countries are run by little girls.
 
2012-04-09 02:47:18 AM
wan't fark better in the old days when 1/4 posts was "obscure?"

(no)

also: weeer-gin
 
2012-04-09 02:53:23 AM
Cheryl Brewster...From Prague?
 
2012-04-09 02:53:35 AM
www.imfdb.org

College paintball teams?
 
2012-04-09 02:59:48 AM
Spies, you say?

Simple solution. Just have your Pyros spray everyone with fire to flush them out.
content.ytmnd.com
 
2012-04-09 03:16:17 AM
I'm not at all surprised. At our university, we have lots of Chinese students whose undergrad educations were paid for by the Chinese government; as grad students, they specialize in spy-friendly fields like image analysis (we have TONS of Chinese students specializing in imaging). I was told that these students had no choice of what to study; their government chose for them.
 
2012-04-09 03:20:52 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there actually something going on in American universities that foreign spies can't get online?

Genuine question, because it's hard to imagine students need to come all the way here to "ask questions" when you can do the same thing from the comfortable anonymity of your home nation.



As a student at a research university, you have the privilege of actually joining research groups and working in the labs where cutting-edge research is taking place. "Research experience" is a significant part of science students' educations. If you're a grad student, it's even more true. Research is what research universities do.
 
2012-04-09 03:21:17 AM

incrdbil: Why infiltrate? Many of the liberal faculty members would already seem to be prime willing traitors already.


What is it with all these 10 year old alts derping it up all of a sudden? It's like they were "sleeping" and now they suddenly have all "activated".
 
2012-04-09 03:29:02 AM
That's always been the case, that it's an intel avenue for foreign nations. The FBI handled it fine in the past. Why is it they suddenly can't handle it with their huge budget and personnel increases following 9/11? I don't like the FBI. It's a great organization in theory, but it feels like they make a point of spinning stuff in the press, or saying they need even more intrusive methods (while fighting accountability on how effective current programs have been), or crying poor when they have some of the best pay, perks, and retirement in government. Do your frigging job and say "thank you for my beautiful home, lifestyle, and retirement, taxpayers".
 
2012-04-09 03:31:24 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto:
And truth be told 95% of the knowledge I had could be found online or via Amazon. The other 5% was mostly wink wink nudge nudge stuff a few professors obliquely refered to.


There's also the recently-acquired knowledge that isn't on textbooks yet, and may not even be online yet. When you're in a competitive research lab, you're discovering things for the very first time, things no one else has seen. Or you're building devices that no one has ever built before. Or you greatly improve a technology that lots of people would like to see improved. That kind of knowledge isn't going to be found by asking Professor Google.

Among top research universities, there's lots of competition to be the first to do/see/discover something. Until those discoveries are formally announced, the information is kept secret so it's not snatched up by a competing research group. THAT's the kind of information that other universities, and other governments, want.
 
2012-04-09 04:10:37 AM

fusillade762: [www.imfdb.org image 600x336]


I was going to say, this whole scare seems like the FBI's been watching too many NCIS reruns.

/Somebody needs to Gibbs-slap them.
 
2012-04-09 04:15:13 AM
Scary? If normal classroom content is that 'dangerous' .....
 
2012-04-09 04:22:15 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there actually something going on in American universities that foreign spies can't get online?



Seriously? Wow.

Among federally funded novel research organizations such as NASA, Sandia, Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, etc. - U.S. universities alone are estimated to produce about 12% of novel research.

Ask the folks at the Princeton Plasma Physics laboratory if their educations are equal to a google search. Heh. Or Berkeley, Carnegie Melon, Stanford, Caltech, MassTech.....and about 200 others that attract students from across the globe.

American universities taken together, probably produce more new science research annually than most nations put together.
 
2012-04-09 04:28:07 AM
If these foreign agents are the shameless copiers I encountered at Drexel, we have little to worry about.

There were genuine 4.0's at that school. But there were a lot more who vampired lab work and homeworks and always seemed to have the answers for the exams, but could not answer basic questions on concepts.
 
2012-04-09 04:48:22 AM

lecavalier: As far as actual learning, the only thing university classes are good for is providing you with the topic/questions


Evil Twin Skippy: If these foreign agents are the shameless copiers I encountered at Drexel, we have little to worry about.


The article isn't about Econ 101 or Introduction to Art History.

It's about grad and post-grad work where there is actual science and engineering being done.
 
2012-04-09 07:13:15 AM
American Universities Infected Blessed by Foreign Spies Students Detected by FBI Wingnuts

Fixed.

And a good thing, too, since over half of our PhDs are immigrants. Without them, we'd be even farther behind the rest of the world, if you can imagine such a thing.
 
2012-04-09 07:26:42 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there actually something going on in American universities that foreign spies can't get online?

Genuine question, because it's hard to imagine students need to come all the way here to "ask questions" when you can do the same thing from the comfortable anonymity of your home nation.


I would guess it's to look at cutting edge cutting edge research.

Or the ability to establish a cover that might eventually let one work on/in said research. Or allow them to get into companies to steal proprietary data.

'Spies' doesn't necessarily just mean 'we're gonna steal government secrets'. There's also things like corporate espionage, etc.
 
2012-04-09 07:28:48 AM

filter: Scary? If normal classroom content is that 'dangerous' .....



I was an undergrad working with Haemophilus influenzae cultures in an microbiology lab. That stuff's a pathogen that could theoretically kill people. And genetically modified Escherichia coli in the genetics lab.

The organic chemistry lab had some serious carcinogens in it too, some that required special handling in a fume hood that scrubbed the exhaust. Again, totally a part of some of the classes I took...

When you get to do a Master's you get access to serious stuff, like those special rooms with those encrypted chip card keys.

All knowledge is dangerous in some way.
 
2012-04-09 07:30:27 AM

FizixJunkee: Or you're building devices that no one has ever built before.


And sometimes in physics, duct-taping pieces of equipment to each other that have never been duct-taped before!

"We need to measure X."
"Er, professor, we don't have a device that can measure X."
"I know. But here's a vague diagram telling you how to build it out of what we've got in the lab."
"... Alright, I'll fire up labview..."

/Actually, I love my advisor.
 
2012-04-09 07:44:38 AM

Farker Soze: incrdbil: Why infiltrate? Many of the liberal faculty members would already seem to be prime willing traitors already.

What is it with all these 10 year old alts derping it up all of a sudden? It's like they were "sleeping" and now they suddenly have all "activated".


Obama's re-election campaign has started. Shills are needed to obscure operation gun walker and drum up racial tension. Because, like an oil man will save us from costly gasoline a black man will keep the blacks happy enough not to riot.

Or, something like that.
 
2012-04-09 07:47:42 AM

jafiwam: Farker Soze: incrdbil: Why infiltrate? Many of the liberal faculty members would already seem to be prime willing traitors already.

What is it with all these 10 year old alts derping it up all of a sudden? It's like they were "sleeping" and now they suddenly have all "activated".

Obama's re-election campaign has started. Shills are needed to obscure operation gun walker and drum up racial tension. Because, like an oil man will save us from costly gasoline a black man will keep the blacks happy enough not to riot.

Or, something like that.


And they know that most of us have their other five logins on our ignore lists.
 
2012-04-09 07:57:36 AM
The FBI looks for students from countries that are known to harbor terrorists and one of the things they specifically monitor is the change of majors after the student has been accepted.
 
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