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(Kotaku)   Cosplayer asked to leave PAX due to her outfit. It's okay, she can stay at Subby'splace as long as she wants (image somewhat NSFW)   (kotaku.com) divider line 332
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2012-04-08 08:30:01 PM

mongbiohazard: Their con, their rules, we'll get over it.


All that needs to be said. Anyone wants to start whining can complain that families are allowed in the convention. Last PAX Prime I went to was lousy with little kids and their parents. I can see why they made those rules.
 
2012-04-08 08:31:49 PM

IlGreven: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Not acceptable (girl in the middle in the costume for Lollipop Chainsaw that she was doing at PAX East, since she's their official model for the character):

That ain't the outfit that got her kicked out, though.


Yes it is, read again.

She wore the cheerleader outfit and nobody batted an eye.
Next day she wore the pink outfit and they freaked out.
Next day she wore the cheerleader outfit again and they freaked out even more and kicked her out even though she wore it fine the first day.
 
2012-04-08 08:31:50 PM
www.cobraisland.com
 
2012-04-08 08:32:02 PM

Surool: All that needs to be said. Anyone wants to start whining can complain that families are allowed in the convention. Last PAX Prime I went to was lousy with little kids and their parents. I can see why they made those rules.


So, the families are unaffected by the dozens upon dozens (at least) of skimpily dressed attendees?

That's some impressive selective reasoning you've got there.
 
2012-04-08 08:32:25 PM

libranoelrose: [www.cobraisland.com image 320x240]


This.
 
2012-04-08 08:32:53 PM

Grables'Daughter: Weaver95: Grables'Daughter: SharkTrager: Grables'Daughter: SharkTrager: cisitors

The what?

visitors

Oh.

I thought maybe that was a word for other female Farkers.

you have a very strange mind.

Or, my point in this thread is being missed entirely.

/never mind


I got your point GD.

We have allowed ourselves to be dictated to by any group (regardless of the size of the group) that is some how offended by anything.

Pretty soon if a few people don't like women with pink hair, there will be someone trying to outlaw pink hair.
 
2012-04-08 08:34:03 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: mongbiohazard: Conversely, you could argue that if you're biatching about one single con not wanting to be a place where companies use sex appeal to sell things you must be shallow, or at least have some shiatty priorities.

Again, they *can* use sex appeal to sell things at PAX! I don't know where people are getting the idea that this doesn't happen. They can, so long as:

The model can talk about the game
The model is cosplaying someone from the game

Seeing as she was really only showing as much as the other attendees were showing (as can be seen by the G4 gallery, amongst others) and the complaint was solely that she was showing too much skin, one can only conclude that the rules are not as principled as some of you would like to put forth, but, rather, some sort of clearly subjective application of prudery.



lol, no.... One could also conclude that they could be reasonable people with guidelines and that they probably do their best to apply them. When you come up with rules they are usually imperfect things, handling the majority of circumstances but not perfectly handling ALL circumstances. So in TFA they talk about how the grey areas are handled on a case by case basis. That's what happened here. There was a situation that someone needed to make a call on and they did. I see no problem here.

And your instance on comparing the attendees to the exhibitors is a false equivalence. Having one set of expectations for exhibitors hawking their wares and another set of expectations for attendees showing up to enjoy themselves is entirely normal and legitimate.
 
2012-04-08 08:34:46 PM

Grables'Daughter: The article said that there were lots of complaints.

Huh.


PA readership is pretty focused on the games and derisive of certain forms of marketing, and the strip really only does fanservice in order to mock fanservice. Apparently they actually had a meeting and a vote with the attendees and vendors over whether to allow booth babes, and they voted no.

So it's not just the manager being paranoid.
 
2012-04-08 08:37:17 PM

mongbiohazard: And your instance on comparing the attendees to the exhibitors is a false equivalence. Having one set of expectations for exhibitors hawking their wares and another set of expectations for attendees showing up to enjoy themselves is entirely normal and legitimate.


Except that, again, in this case, PAX isn't even following their own rules.

Which is my point.

They can do whatever they want at their event.

All I'm actually pointing out here is that they set up some rules and then, because some anonymous prudes objected to something that was clearly in-bounds by the rules, they went back on their own rules and made it out of bounds on a whim.

/also GD's point
//prudes ruin it for us all
///some of us just realize it earlier than others
 
2012-04-08 08:39:01 PM

Jim_Callahan: Apparently they actually had a meeting and a vote with the attendees and vendors over whether to allow booth babes, and they voted no.


No, they had a poll/vote on the website about 3-4 years ago which was obviously objective and well reasoned, given that it was a poll/vote on the Internet.

/and I still think the prime movers were Gabe and Tycho's wives
 
2012-04-08 08:40:05 PM
Jessica Nigiri is a cosplayer hired by the makers of Lollipop Chainsaw to endorse their game at PAX. Once she switched to the more revealing costume (which had a high chance of a nip-slip), then she was asked to leave - partly due to attendee complaints, but mostly because the creators of PAX want the focus to be on games, not tig ol' bitties. If Jessica had stayed with the cheerleader outfit, it was more likely she would have been allowed to stay.
 
2012-04-08 08:40:37 PM
Anyway, tired of repeating myself. Gonna go entertain myself elsewhere.
 
2012-04-08 08:43:34 PM

HeartBurnKid: Oh, and it should be noted that this wasn't some random cosplayer that was kicked out, but rather a paid model for one of the exhibiting game studios. PAX has very clear policies about paid spokespersons at booths (namely, they have to actually be able to answer questions about the product, and they can't be dressed in skimpy clothes unless it's directly related to the game -- and even then, there are limits). These guys likely knew they were breaking the rules going in.


Bullshiat. These are actual costumes that the character actually wears in the game. Both of the costumes in the article are actually in the game.
 
2012-04-08 08:43:44 PM

hundreddollarman: basemetal: Oh yeah, this girl does a mean pikachu as well.....I don't think it's NSFW (new window)

I really want to bone Pikachu. Wait.. what?


This one too. (sfw)
 
2012-04-08 08:44:23 PM

Beerguy: We have allowed ourselves to be dictated to by any group (regardless of the size of the group) that is some how offended by anything.


"ZOMG! They won't let titties hang out without limit at their thing so they must be UPTIGHT PRUDES!! Poutrage!!!1!1!!"


Your reasoning could just as easily be applied to all the folks offended by PA trying to keep their con relatively family-friendly. So ONE con wants to keep a bit of a lid on the skin show - ohhhhh nooooooo!

Big farking whoop. If you don't like it then go to a con with more tay-tays and let them - and the people who want to enjoy the PA kind of environment - have their thing. From some of the people's responses in here you'd think they are mandating burkhas for exhibitors or something. Sheesh. They made their con so they could run it their way and that's what they're doing. I can dig it.
 
2012-04-08 08:45:25 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Once she switched to the more revealing costume (which had a high chance of a nip-slip), then she was asked to leave


You forgot to add the part where she switched back to the cheerleader outfit and it was still judged too much, even though it was okay to begin with.

/really out now
 
2012-04-08 08:46:42 PM
No "Look at me, I'm at attention whore" pics?

:C
 
2012-04-08 08:47:15 PM
I wonder if Paul Christoforo was at PAX this year?
 
2012-04-08 08:52:32 PM
Compare to cosplay in the 70s: NSFW (new window)

/This country is going straight to hell
 
2012-04-08 08:53:23 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: FuryOfFirestorm: Once she switched to the more revealing costume (which had a high chance of a nip-slip), then she was asked to leave

You forgot to add the part where she switched back to the cheerleader outfit and it was still judged too much, even though it was okay to begin with.

/really out now


Must have missed that part. Mea culpa.

I have no problem with her costume, but it's PAX's convention, so it's PAX's rules (as contradictory as they are). I'm sure Jess won't have any problem finding other conventions where she can air out her milk-bags for fun & profit.
 
2012-04-08 08:53:38 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Except that, again, in this case, PAX isn't even following their own rules.



Except that, again, yes they are. They have a "no booth babes" policy, while there is more leeway for game characters in the booths they also still prohibit excessive displays of skin in those as well, and when there is any confusion they reserve the right to make a judgement call on case-by-case basis. That's exactly what they did. Just because you don't agree with their judgement call doesn't mean they didn't have every right to make it. It's THEIR event.

You just are so poutraged up that you refuse to acknowledge it. You're being every bit as unreasonable as the theoretical prudes you're so paranoid about.
 
2012-04-08 08:54:05 PM
I haven't been to one of these cons before but after reading all the replies here I'm compelled to offer a counterargument to the decision. Perhaps the people in charge of this event wish to retain the focus on the games instead of letting some giggly scantily clad girls who know nothing about the games they're promoting stand around while being ogled by college dorks and creepy old men who really aren't there for the games either. Imagine being at a strip club and the table next to you is full of a bunch of DnD dorks rolling their 20 sided dice and loudly complaining about the music. Sorta, I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for boobies, but there's a time and place gents.
 
2012-04-08 08:54:46 PM
I am amused.

Hell, I have seen women in nothing (NO THING) but bodypaint at GenCon.
 
2012-04-08 08:54:58 PM

namatad:
so if she had bought a ticket to the show and combat after getting "kicked" out, it would have been fine???
LOL
that is probably the dumbest "standard" of all time


I'm having trouble understanding your point. What's your disagreement?

I see a difference between a booth babe paid to advertise a product and a member of the community dressed as a character they like.
"Morally", I have no problems with the outfits. The characters are designed that way, and the video games themselves are often violent and not "family friendly".
 
2012-04-08 08:56:19 PM
Seriously? I've seen less clothes on uglier people at PAX (not in person, but on the innerwebz).
 
2012-04-08 08:58:19 PM
Weaver95: as far as cosplay goes - THIS still beats them all:

[www.geekologie.com image 450x301]

and no, that's not a photshop.


Pretty smart hitting up the Atlanta aquarium for a backdrop!
 
2012-04-08 09:00:53 PM
ShawnDoc: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The cosplayer in question is their official cosplayer for the game and was wearing this (this is actually her):

www.obviouswinner.com

Not the weird plunging thing in the Kotaku article.

Well per the article, she was wearing the pink costume yesterday when she was first asked to change the costume or leave. She was wearing the cheerleader outfit today when they gave her the same ultimatum due to the number of complaints.


This is PAX East, correct? That means Boston, right?

If so makes sense. The girls here are ucking fugly, and I'm not surprised they felt the need to get the hot blond off stage center.
 
2012-04-08 09:01:45 PM
*counterargument to the discussion

/fail
 
2012-04-08 09:02:11 PM

TheSelphie: HeartBurnKid: Oh, and it should be noted that this wasn't some random cosplayer that was kicked out, but rather a paid model for one of the exhibiting game studios. PAX has very clear policies about paid spokespersons at booths (namely, they have to actually be able to answer questions about the product, and they can't be dressed in skimpy clothes unless it's directly related to the game -- and even then, there are limits). These guys likely knew they were breaking the rules going in.

Bullshiat. These are actual costumes that the character actually wears in the game. Both of the costumes in the article are actually in the game.


A booth babe in a costume from the game is still a booth babe.
 
2012-04-08 09:03:00 PM

PsyLord: Seriously? I've seen less clothes on uglier people at PAX (not in person, but on the innerwebz).


6'2, 300 pound Sailor Jupiter at Toronto's Fan Expo circa 2003 or '04. It haunts my nightmares.
 
2012-04-08 09:06:25 PM
Questions:

a) Tits - real or fake (I can't tell)
b) Attention Whore - yes or no
c) Would it be worth putting up with her crazy to hit that?
 
2012-04-08 09:07:17 PM

Cyno01: hundreddollarman: basemetal: Oh yeah, this girl does a mean pikachu as well.....I don't think it's NSFW (new window)

I really want to bone Pikachu. Wait.. what?

This one too. (sfw)


WTF am I watching?!?!
 
2012-04-08 09:07:39 PM
Promoting something through cosplay at a PAX event is like promoting your new microbrew at an AA meeting.

MADTV does PAX presenting The Sopranos.
Link (new window)
 
2012-04-08 09:09:05 PM
Happens every year to at least one booth babe. I think the monster energy girls got asked to leave Pax prime last year, for showing too much skin.
 
2012-04-08 09:09:35 PM

PsyLord: Seriously? I've seen less clothes on uglier people at PAX (not in person, but on the innerwebz).



Their main issue seems to be that it was an exhibitor.

They have a more permissive attitude towards attendees than exhibitors - as do many different kinds of conventions and trade shows. I don't see any issue or hypocrisy in having different standards for exhibitors and attendees. It's a lot easier to justify being less permissive with the people who are actually setting up a booth at your event then it is for the people who are attending. The people who set up shop to hawk their wares are representing your event in a way that the attendees are not.
 
2012-04-08 09:09:36 PM

cman: cretinbob: Grables'Daughter: The article said that there were lots of complaints

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

//how many is "lots"?

I wonder if Lots was not referring to absolute quantity but was referring to a quantity of dog packs


It was actually a tragic story about people discovering that the tracts of land they were purchasing had once been an animal grave yard.
 
2012-04-08 09:14:12 PM
Comments on the Lollipop Chainsaw cosplayer: 135.
Comments on the game Lolipop Chainsaw: 0.

I think this thread summarizes the current level of interest in any console video game that isn't hyped to the damn moon.
 
2012-04-08 09:14:44 PM

Enemabag Jones: Promoting something through cosplay at a PAX event is like promoting your new microbrew at an AA meeting.

MADTV does PAX presenting The Sopranos.
Link (new window)



HAH! I remember that skit! Different PAX though. That skit was about PAX TV - the folks who aired Touched by an Angel and such. This "Pax" convention is actually short for Penny Arcade Expo. Totally different things.
 
2012-04-08 09:14:47 PM
And I can't even spell the damn name right. I'm not helping.
 
2012-04-08 09:20:09 PM

The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Compare to cosplay in the 70s: NSFW (new window)

/This country is going straight to hell


I remember the '70's, tube tops, halter tops, NO BRAS! I don't know what happened, but I haven't seen a bra-less woman in decades. Now it's all push-up push-in fake looking. Let them free ladies, let them free. Wasn't there a study that showed bras actually caused boobs to sag more over time?
 
2012-04-08 09:22:25 PM

Descartes: [media.gamebandits.com image 594x371]

her makeup looks terrible up close


Yes bag that beast. I'll dispose of that monstrosity in my room after several hours of battling that horrid thing.
 
2012-04-08 09:27:40 PM
Fark I am disappoint.

/does no one in this thread appreciate the titties?
 
2012-04-08 09:31:31 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Fark I am disappoint.

/does no one in this thread appreciate the titties?


I appreciated them earlier. Then I took a nap.
 
2012-04-08 09:47:37 PM
mongbiohazard
HAH! I remember that skit! Different PAX though. That skit was about PAX TV - the folks who aired Touched by an Angel and such. This "Pax" convention is actually short for Penny Arcade Expo. Totally different things.


Thanks for the correction.

Actually RTFA, sounds like maybe more than just family friendly censorship.

Maybe an attempt to keep the content nerd friendly and avoid the comicon media overbuild and related loss of original purpose?
 
2012-04-08 09:50:18 PM

The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Compare to cosplay in the 70s: NSFW (new window)

/This country is going straight to hell


MOM!?!!
 
2012-04-08 09:55:34 PM

Enemabag Jones: mongbiohazard
HAH! I remember that skit! Different PAX though. That skit was about PAX TV - the folks who aired Touched by an Angel and such. This "Pax" convention is actually short for Penny Arcade Expo. Totally different things.

Thanks for the correction.

Actually RTFA, sounds like maybe more than just family friendly censorship.

Maybe an attempt to keep the content nerd friendly and avoid the comicon media overbuild and related loss of original purpose?



I'm sure Mike and Jerry remember when the Consumer Electronics Show (which they used to go every year) got so out of hand that the folks who run it basically had to reboot it and don't want the same thing to happen to theirs.
 
2012-04-08 09:55:50 PM
Maybe Rockstar Games should have someone cosplay Congressman Stubbs from GTA: The Lost and Damned we'll and see how that goes.
 
2012-04-08 10:02:14 PM
Geeze, do I have to do everything myself around here?


24.media.tumblr.com
White Queen


www.amazingarizonacomiccon.com
Morrigan from Night Stalkers


1.bp.blogspot.com
Black Cat



25.media.tumblr.com
Supergirl
 
2012-04-08 10:11:14 PM
Honest question: are cosplayers such as Ms. Nigri really into the whole fantasy/action/whatever scene, or are they hot chicks who would otherwise not be interested in the subject matter hired by various companies to promote said company?
 
2012-04-08 10:17:29 PM

Enemabag Jones: Promoting something through cosplay at a PAX event is like promoting your new microbrew at an AA meeting.

MADTV does PAX presenting The Sopranos.
Link (new window)


Crying laughing so hard at this shiat... haha
 
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