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2012-04-08 11:16:20 AM  
They have saved the BOOBIES!


static1.pixdaus.com

YAY
 
2012-04-08 11:31:04 AM  
Good. Can we get this into clinical trials and into production, because I got friends who'd like to keep their bewbs, and I would love to start smoking again...
 
2012-04-08 12:15:15 PM  
I hope this pans out, but the one thing I have learned about new cancer treatments is, that it doesn't always work out the way the researchers hoped.
 
2012-04-08 12:28:12 PM  

hubiestubert: Good. Can we get this into clinical trials and into production, because I got friends who'd like to keep their bewbs, and I would love to start smoking again...


Emphysema is no picnic, either.
 
2012-04-08 12:30:05 PM  

basemetal: I hope this pans out, but the one thing I have learned about new cancer treatments is, that it doesn't always work out the way the researchers hoped.


A study came out recently showing that out of 57 journal-published studies involving fighting cancer, 53 of those could not be replicated. Soo... pretty much, the whole field is producing shiat science.
 
2012-04-08 12:34:11 PM  

AcneVulgaris: hubiestubert: Good. Can we get this into clinical trials and into production, because I got friends who'd like to keep their bewbs, and I would love to start smoking again...

Emphysema is no picnic, either.


Neither is cancer (lung + pancreatic + throat)

/distributive property
 
2012-04-08 12:43:46 PM  
Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.
 
2012-04-08 01:23:45 PM  

Rincewind53: basemetal: I hope this pans out, but the one thing I have learned about new cancer treatments is, that it doesn't always work out the way the researchers hoped.

A study came out recently showing that out of 57 journal-published studies involving fighting cancer, 53 of those could not be replicated. Soo... pretty much, the whole field is producing shiat science.


Actually, some dude cherry picked a set of studies that other studies conflicted with. It does not, in any way, say that cancer research is all bullshiat.
 
2012-04-08 01:47:17 PM  
What was the last thing they cured, polio?
 
2012-04-08 02:01:13 PM  

OregonVet: Yah, a cure isn't good for business.


And that's why nobody cures anything anymore, just works on treatment.
 
2012-04-08 02:30:48 PM  

Mugato: What was the last thing they cured, polio?


smallpox
 
2012-04-08 02:32:47 PM  

OregonVet: Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.


sure sort of
the company which has a REAL cure, would still make hundreds of billions while its patent was valid.
a drug like this which worked for 90% of cancers? they could easily charge insurance companies twice what current chemo costs.
 
2012-04-08 02:45:03 PM  

OregonVet: Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.


If it is truly being billed as a "universal" cancer cure, I think people are right to be a tad pessimistic.
 
2012-04-08 03:21:03 PM  

cavehobbit: They have saved the BOOBIES!


[static1.pixdaus.com image 640x668]

YAY


You gave me a tumor in my pants.
 
2012-04-08 03:24:09 PM  
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2012-04-08 03:25:06 PM  
Rincewind53: basemetal: I hope this pans out, but the one thing I have learned about new cancer treatments is, that it doesn't always work out the way the researchers hoped.

A study came out recently showing that out of 57 journal-published studies involving fighting cancer, 53 of those could not be replicated. Soo... pretty much, the whole field is producing shiat science.


That's not what was said at all, the the actual study was a very poor quality of obvious cherrypicking.

So, yeah. Read a little deeper than the headlines, next time.
 
2012-04-08 03:25:10 PM  
I have the expectation that side effects may include zombification.
 
2012-04-08 03:28:56 PM  
Or, since MUC1 is a sugar protein, you could just stop eating so much sugar.
 
2012-04-08 03:29:52 PM  

billy_chuck: I have the expectation that side effects may include zombification.


So a win/win situation. Those with cancer get cured, those wishing for a zombie apocalypse get it. Sounds like an Easter miracle to me.
 
2012-04-08 03:31:29 PM  
I always hope these things are true. But it seems like throughout my life I have read so many of these articles. They don't tend to have followup articles to ever say what happened to the last potential break through.
 
2012-04-08 03:32:03 PM  

taurusowner: billy_chuck: I have the expectation that side effects may include zombification.

So a win/win situation. Those with cancer get cured, those wishing for a zombie apocalypse get it. Sounds like an Easter miracle to me.


Hhhhrrrmmmmmm chocolate zombie Jesus...
 
2012-04-08 03:32:55 PM  

swingerofbirches: I always hope these things are true. But it seems like throughout my life I have read so many of these articles. They don't tend to have followup articles to ever say what happened to the last potential break through.


It's because any possible cure is buried under years of clinical trials, while drugs for things like restless leg disorder are rushed to market and later found to be harmful.
 
2012-04-08 03:33:41 PM  
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2012-04-08 03:33:58 PM  
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2012-04-08 03:34:33 PM  
 
2012-04-08 03:36:40 PM  

OregonVet: Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.


This, which is why I am skeptical of the entire medical industry. If you 'cure' somebody, you lose a customer. So instead let's just mask the symptoms, and when they return, we'll do the entire process over again
 
2012-04-08 03:37:01 PM  
FTFA:The therapy, which targets a molecule found in 90 per cent of all cancers, could provide a universal injection that allows patients' immune systems to fight off common cancers including breast and prostate cancer.

hubiestubert: Good. Can we get this into clinical trials and into production, because I got friends who'd like to keep their bewbs, and I would love to start smoking again...


I don't think you are smoking that right...
 
2012-04-08 03:37:21 PM  

namatad: sure sort of
the company which has a REAL cure, would still make hundreds of billions while its patent was valid.
a drug like this which worked for 90% of cancers? they could easily charge insurance companies twice what current chemo costs.


From the article, it sounds like this "cure," if effective, would be administered for some period after treatment. The actual treatment is probably still a shotgun of a few things, considering that even if it treats 90% the rest is still evolving. You have to hit cancer from a few angles to back it into a corner, then fight the tumors that could pop up from a few wandering cancer cells.

Scientists are developing biologic treatments to nail specific cells, be it cancer or arthritis (like Enbrel.) At this time, these are very expensive to produce.
 
2012-04-08 03:37:27 PM  
If anyone is remotely interested in why we aren't further along in cancer research and why the FDA and Big Pharma are partially to blame, they should seriously consider watching Burzynski on Netflix.

Please go into it with skepticism. You'll come out utterly dumbfounded.
 
2012-04-08 03:40:10 PM  

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Yep, first thing I thought of, too.
 
2012-04-08 03:42:50 PM  
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This is all I could think of.
 
2012-04-08 03:45:36 PM  

Trance750: This, which is why I am skeptical of the entire medical industry. If you 'cure' somebody, you lose a customer. So instead let's just mask the symptoms, and when they return, we'll do the entire process over again


It's not that simple. For example, a doctor will perform a sterilization surgery for just a few hundred to a few thousand for women, while knowing that a baby may collectively earn the hospital and staff a million bucks from insurance.
 
2012-04-08 03:47:32 PM  
This is bad news. There are already too many people in this world. Cancer is on of nature's ways of keeping us in check and dying off early enough.
 
2012-04-08 03:47:46 PM  
An Israeli phrama company is developing this? BRING ON THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
 
2012-04-08 03:47:47 PM  
Wow. Great!
 
2012-04-08 03:47:53 PM  
A cure for cancer would be a huge blessing for all the really rich people with cancer.
 
2012-04-08 03:49:50 PM  

Trance750: OregonVet: Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.

This, which is why I am skeptical of the entire medical industry. If you 'cure' somebody, you lose a customer. So instead let's just mask the symptoms, and when they return, we'll do the entire process over again


You're not really considering the motivations of the actual scientists involved. Don't you think they would like to be known as the guys who cured cancer? Nobel Prizes, universal adulation, hawt science groupies... And it's not like they have so much to gain financially from continuing the current model, they aren't the stockholders, at least not major stockholders. If the pharmaceutical companies were actually trying to bury a cure for cancer or AIDS, or simply refusing to investigate promising avenues of research, there's no way they could keep their actions secret, because the people doing the actual work would not stay quiet about it.
 
2012-04-08 03:50:37 PM  
levitcleos: If anyone is remotely interested in why we aren't further along in cancer research and why the FDA and Big Pharma are partially to blame, they should seriously consider watching Burzynski on Netflix.

Please go into it with skepticism. You'll come out utterly dumbfounded.


You mean that I was utterly dumbfounded that Burzynski is allowed to charge exhorbent fees towards his patients of upwards of 30,000 dollars per treatment, with no demonstration of efficacy or long term survival, and all doing it under the guise of calling it a "long term, ongoing experiment" with a puppet IRB to make it all legal?

Yeah. You're right. My skeptical mind was dumbfounded.
 
2012-04-08 03:50:43 PM  
This will lead to promiscuity and sinful habits.

We must ban the research, now.

Love,
GOP
 
2012-04-08 03:51:56 PM  

ArtosRC: SCIENCE


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SCIENCE! (new window)
 
2012-04-08 03:56:34 PM  

Trance750: OregonVet: Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.

This, which is why I am skeptical of the entire medical industry. If you 'cure' somebody, you lose a customer. So instead let's just mask the symptoms, and when they return, we'll do the entire process over again


Yaaaaaaaaay! Somebody took the bait!

Both of you are idiots. Saying that a cure for any disease isn't profitable to a medical company is like saying that burgers aren't profitable for McDonald's. Do you honestly think that there's any financial incentive to withhold a cure? If you release the cure, you can sell it for money. If you don't, you cannot sell it for money. Does this simple distinction go over your heads? I hope it doesn't, it's sort of the cornerstone of business.

the second response boils down to : "bu-bu-but what if they're in a conspiracy to make the cure a secret so they can sell temporary treatments to more people for longer?"

Again, you're idiots, so we already know this isn't a real argument, but I'll indulge you. First, the whole racket is blown as soon as anybody figures out that the cure exists. You can't sell treatments if the sick people (i.e., customers) know that the product they really want is available. It's a matter of time before somebody else figures out the cure and sells it, and then your whole market is gone. You have to sell it to them while they want it, or they go to your competitor and write angry Consumerist articles about how bad you are.

Second, you are actually in competition here. There are other companies selling products and services to cancer patients. Which do you think is more profitable: shelling out billions for marketing and ads and even more in R&D to try and stay competitive against a slew of other massive companies that sell basically the same thing as you, cutting the market into small chunks that you can only have one of, or providing a product that is clearly preferable to THE ENTIRE MARKET, thus guaranteeing 100% market share for you and you alone?

If you're struggling with that question there, the correct answer is the second one.
 
2012-04-08 03:58:33 PM  
Sweet.
 
2012-04-08 04:03:21 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: An Israeli phrama company is developing this? BRING ON THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES!




Well that this point we're looking for some kind of ROI.
 
2012-04-08 04:06:20 PM  
This is such great news! They're gonna make $Billions!

$ > Human life
 
2012-04-08 04:07:10 PM  

vartian: OregonVet: Cancer charities have given the vaccine a cautious welcome, but warned further testing was needed before it could be approved for widespread use.

Yah, a cure isn't good for business.

If it is truly being billed as a "universal" cancer cure, I think people are right to be a tad pessimistic.


This. I think it's more of a "We wanna see if this doesn't have other reactions/turn you into a zombie" rather than not wanting to lose business.

/At least I'd like to think that
 
2012-04-08 04:08:52 PM  
The results are still to be formally published but if further trials prove to be successful the vaccine could be available within sixty years.

Fixed, for the USA, who will insist on their own studies while millions of Europeans benefit from the breakthrough.
 
2012-04-08 04:09:34 PM  
This would probably be the free treatment under Obamacare which would mean that poor people with cancer would have the access to it. Do you not see how wrong this is? We will force the rich people to pay for the curing of cancer of poor people! I HAVE VERY MUCH THE OUTRAGE.

Okay now to be the scientist for the moment. I have not been given the convincing. Sure this seems to have the promise but I do not think it will tend to work out quite as though the way they are believing.
 
2012-04-08 04:14:36 PM  

UsikFark: Trance750: This, which is why I am skeptical of the entire medical industry. If you 'cure' somebody, you lose a customer. So instead let's just mask the symptoms, and when they return, we'll do the entire process over again

It's not that simple. For example, a doctor will perform a sterilization surgery for just a few hundred to a few thousand for women, while knowing that a baby may collectively earn the hospital and staff a million bucks from insurance.


That is in no way analogous to cancer treatment. Cancer treatment is a billion dollar industry. Our economy would probably collapse if a cure was found.

/cancer survivor
/wigs cost hundreds of dollars
/preying on terminally ill patients is pure evil
 
2012-04-08 04:18:14 PM  

vartian: If it is truly being billed as a "universal" cancer cure, I think people are right to be a tad pessimistic.


Cancer cells are pretty much all the same. They all have a metabolism 8 times faster than normal cells, they all go through the same 4 stages of growth, and cancer cells are all fueled by sugar. The reason pancreatic cancer is the most fatal is due to the role of the pancreas in handling sugar.

This method takes advantage of the fact they're all covered in sugar proteins, as a way to help the body identify them. Why wouldn't it work as a universal cure?
 
2012-04-08 04:19:35 PM  

Friskya: The results are still to be formally published but if further trials prove to be successful the vaccine could be available within sixty years.

Fixed, for the USA, who will insist on their own studies while millions of Europeans benefit from the breakthrough.


*cough* Thalidomide *cough*
 
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