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(Des Moines Register)   Catholic priest dying of pancreatic cancer discovers the news during Lent, refuses to tell his parishioners and ruin Holy Week for them. But he has some words for everyone in what would be his last sermon   ( desmoinesregister.com) divider line
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2012-04-08 09:20:36 AM  
5 votes:
And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.
2012-04-08 09:58:31 AM  
4 votes:

Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.


From the article, it seems Hemann is a genuinely good person and has touched a lot of lives. I commend him for that, and have no desire to discount the good he's done simply because he accomplished that good using the tools available to him within a belief framework that's different from my own.
2012-04-08 09:47:08 AM  
4 votes:

Copper Spork: 2.bp.blogspot.com


i271.photobucket.com

/fixed
2012-04-08 09:18:22 AM  
4 votes:
I didn't exactly find anything in there all that inspiring. There is no joy in sickness or suffering or death. So don't glorify it, because watching a loved one die sucks, dying in agony because of some incurable disease, never knowing when you wake up just how much pain you'll have to endure that day, these are not joyful things. They are terrifying things, they are awful things. That's why you're at the doctors in the first place, to try and get experts who actually know something about life and death to help mitigate and manage your poor circumstances. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging life sucks when life sucks.

Everything else in there is platitudes that are ripe for after school species and the attempt at a serious life lesson on a sitcom, so it's hard to take it seriously.
2012-04-08 09:09:54 AM  
4 votes:
If there were more priests like him, we would have none of the insanity that torments us all today.

The Heavenly Choir awaits you father. Godspeed.
2012-04-08 12:40:20 PM  
3 votes:
Forget the Church. Follow Christ.
2012-04-08 10:42:28 AM  
3 votes:
I don't know why I bothered coming in here. Those of you slandering or condemning the man and his religion are just as bad as those you hate. Grow up.
2012-04-08 09:50:37 AM  
3 votes:
I'm an atheist, and what I see here is a decent man facing his end with dignity.
2012-04-08 09:19:15 AM  
3 votes:
Great man wasted on a false god.

//all gods are false.
2012-04-08 10:02:48 AM  
2 votes:
www.acf.hhs.gov


BUT THE CHURCH!!!!!

/you hypocrites. it was never about the children...
2012-04-08 09:59:06 AM  
2 votes:

bim1154: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.

What I have done or not done is besides the point. Be assured that I have never belonged to an organization that raped little boys, burned innocent people at the stake and countless other atrocities in the name of a mystical being. That in itself sets me far above what you defend.


Actually - that's almost certainly not true.

Presumably you are a citizen of some country. Any country you can think of has done some horrible things. Virtually any country is CURRENTLY doing some horrible things.

I'm a US citizen living abroad - and it's pretty interesting how people immediately think that I, personally, support everything the US does. That I, personally, should be able to explain every logical inconsistency in policy or law.

Likewise, a lot of people work for big corporations. The cashier at Walmart is hardly responsible for the working conditions of some factory in China that exclusively produces crap to be sold at Walmart. But they do belong to that company.

I'm a citizen of the United States
A resident of Ireland
A employee of a multinational financial company

That doesn't mean I support all of the horrible things the US (and other US citizens) has/have done, or the horrible things Ireland has done, or the horrible things 'my' company has done, or the horrible things other people have done in the financial industry. But I belong to all of those groups. Certainly, as seen by outsiders who don't know me.

Unless you are truly self-sufficient; whether or not you want to admit it - you are apart of many groups. And they've almost certainly done horrible things you don't agree with.
2012-04-08 09:41:06 AM  
2 votes:
A very touching story on this most Holy of days.

God Bless all of you this Easter Sunday. Joyeuses Pâques.
2012-04-08 09:24:13 AM  
2 votes:

Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.


"Blah blah blah, atheists are dicks who never have good points and we should always be nice to and about people in death even if those people contributed to the largest organized child rape scandal in recorded history, blah blah blah."
2012-04-08 09:24:05 AM  
2 votes:

Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything.


You can have this argument when Christians stop trying to legalize bullying of gay people by Christians, among other abuses you do every day of people who dare think differently than you.
2012-04-08 09:22:46 AM  
2 votes:

Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.


2.bp.blogspot.com
2012-04-08 09:18:57 AM  
2 votes:
Did he have time to apologise for encouraging his congregation to donate money that was used to help protect child rapists?
2012-04-08 09:14:18 AM  
2 votes:
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

You get bonus points for using cancerous entrails.

He sounded like a decent guy, aside from that whole teaching people fairy tales are real shtick. The world definitely needs fewer of those type of people.
2012-04-08 09:10:25 AM  
2 votes:
It must be sad though for all those parishioners, I mean imagine how many of them he knows closely. He must have taken the virginity of half of those kids.
2012-04-08 09:09:32 AM  
2 votes:
inb4 all catholic priests are pedophiles


/happy easter everyone
2012-04-08 09:09:09 AM  
2 votes:
"I've wasted my life..."?
2012-04-08 03:31:51 PM  
1 vote:
HOW IS THIS SAD AT ALL?

THE GUY IS A PRIEST, AND HE'S DYING. PARTY!!!


I mean, the asshole thinks he's going to some happy paradise for all eternity, why is he even sad he's dying?

www.yourfunnystuff.com

//Yes, I'm sincerely happy everytime one of this assholes die. So what?
2012-04-08 01:14:38 PM  
1 vote:
The Church as LilPlantinum and LouDobbs keep throwing around does not represent the majority of us, please stop using that misnomer.
2012-04-08 12:54:46 PM  
1 vote:

marius2: It must be sad though for all those parishioners, I mean imagine how many of them he knows closely. He must have taken the virginity of half of those kids.


Hey, real quick question for you: what's the difference between merely acting like a piece of shiat and actually being one?
2012-04-08 12:34:31 PM  
1 vote:

BurnShrike: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

The "great things" he did like tell people there was some magical man in the sky watching them, so they had to give him money so they'd get in to heaven? What a wonderful guy.

Or telling people they can't use contraception despite our planet being over-populated and the risk of disease?

The world can do with a few less people like that, thanks.


Listen... I'm not Catholic. I'm just more of your generic Christian. My girlfriend is Jewish. I'd like to think I'm a pretty tolerant guy. So I'd like to ask... is that really all you see when you look at a guy like the one mentioned in the article? I'll agree that the Catholic church should stop spending as much money on ornate stuff, but that's not necessarily what this guy did with his life. He did weddings, comforted mourners at funerals, and gave people guidance when they needed it. It might not have been the kind of guidance you seek, but not everyone is you. He was there for people when they needed it. The guy turned his death into a teachable moment. When recounting his life, why not look at that? Why constantly look for what you consider the worst in people, especially based on their faith? There are a lot of people of every belief (or lack thereof) that have done a lot worse than this guy.
2012-04-08 12:01:50 PM  
1 vote:
Enough with the pedophile Priest comments. I think the score is in favor of pedophile teachers
2012-04-08 11:53:27 AM  
1 vote:

lilplatinum: INeedAName: Look, I'm not going to stand here and argue in favor of the Nazis but I would wager most of them had no effin clue what was going on at Dachau. Are you just purposefully being ignorant at this point for the purpose of argument?

I can no more judge all oh humanity by your viewpoint and actions than I can judge all Catholics by the actions of some of them.

I actually give the Nazis a little more leeway than the Catholics because 1) it was not really realisitcally possible to oppose the Nazis without danger to your livelihood/life and 2) it wasn't as painfully obvious what scum they were because a lot of their crimes were, as you pointed out, out of sight.

The Catholics, however, have neither of those excuses. If you support a horrid organization, being a swell fella doesn't somehow excuse your horrible choice.


So, you will defend Nazis who killed millions, including experimenting and torturing little children before gassing them, on some theory that it was understandable for millions of Nazi party members to stand by while their fellow members committed genocide.

And you're willing to disregard the fact that millions of German people--Nazis and non-Nazis knew about the Holocaust and resettlements and seizures of Jewish property and wealth AS THEY WERE HAPPENING and yet did nothing to interfere with the attempt to kill every member of the Jewish race (along with many other people who didn't fit the Aryan mold).

But you can't find it within you to look at the good and kind things a humble man has done to improve the lives of many others because a minority of his priest colleagues committed crimes that the Church covered up.

Yeah, that's a nice world view you have. You love and defend those who were aware of but did nothing to stop outrageous Nazi atrocities, including the societal shunning of even little Jewish children before they and their families were dragged out of their homes and killed, yet you think a simple and kind priest is evil merely because he's Catholic.

Enjoy Easter you Jew-hating, Nazi loving defender of the mass killing of innocents. The Catholics among us are likely perfectly happy that you refuse to associate with us.
2012-04-08 11:47:59 AM  
1 vote:
Every muslim is not a terrorist, every catholic priest is not a pedophile, and every atheist is not a dick. This guy's last sermon was not filled with religious derp, so cut him a little slack.
2012-04-08 11:31:36 AM  
1 vote:

GoldSpider: Onagarf: I'm an atheist, and what I see here is a decent man facing his end with dignity.

Precisely. And yet many self-described "enlightened" atheists will mock and taunt this man, and then wonder why nobody takes them seriously or is willing to engage them.


I'm an atheist. I don't consider myself especially "enlightened". I'm just trying to find my way in the dark like the rest of you. And I'm an atheist mostly because I've never felt the presence of God in my life. And if there is a God, he doesn't believe in me either.

But that poor dying priest, he got it right. The haters here need to attack that dick in another thread who thinks Christians are being persecuted.
2012-04-08 11:15:45 AM  
1 vote:

Copper Spork: david_gaithersburg: You should read your state's laws regarding confinement for mental observation.

Well, I agree that Catholics are mentally ill, but I think confining them for that is a bit harsh.

Now, confining them for conspiring to cover up child rape, that's a different issue.


We are all on the same page that child molestation is a terrible thing and the people involved deserve to be brought to justice. This however does not make all Catholics guilty.
2012-04-08 11:03:21 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: Don't know about the Jesus thing, not into that stuff. But I do know that I dislike pompous know it all twats who are always pushing their atheist beliefs on everyone.


Does this "I'm not religious or anything but grrrrr atheists make me so mad!11!1" thing ever actually fool anybody? It's like when street-preachers bring a college kid with them to campus so he can rap with the students and give them the down-low on how Jesus is funky-fresh and super-fly. Word.
2012-04-08 11:02:04 AM  
1 vote:
Don't get me started on the Catholic church, but this guy sounds like a real class act. Never acted like he was better than others, told people he didn't know how heaven looked, said others prayers are just as effective as his. Led a great and happy life, and seemed much loved. I would have liked to have known him, he just sounded like a nice friendly helpful guy.

RIP Sir.
2012-04-08 10:43:03 AM  
1 vote:

rbaron71: Let's keep the thread positive, folks. It's an important day.


It's an important day for people who believe in fairy tales. For a lot of us it's just another Sunday, and a good day to buy half price candy.
2012-04-08 10:32:40 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: Let's keep in mind what's important here. Dozens of hate filled Farkers will spend today, tomorrow, and every day after that living in pure hate filled misery and loneliness.

And according to a thread from yesterday, most of them are also disgustingly fat. BONUS!


So vote Jesus?
2012-04-08 10:25:34 AM  
1 vote:

Copper Spork: Fark_Guy_Rob: That doesn't mean I support all of the horrible things the US (and other US citizens) has/have done, or the horrible things Ireland has done, or the horrible things 'my' company has done, or the horrible things other people have done in the financial industry. But I belong to all of those groups. Certainly, as seen by outsiders who don't know me.

Unless you are truly self-sufficient; whether or not you want to admit it - you are apart of many groups. And they've almost certainly done horrible things you don't agree with.

Would you accept that defence for members of the KKK or Al Qaeda too?


As much as people are going to take this out of context; yes - I would. To the extend that it is appropriate.

I truthfully don't know much about the stated goals and sanctioned actions of either the KKK or Al Qaeda. But when someone 'joins' a group - I only reasonably assume they are in some level of agreement with the stated and/or obvious goals of that organization. If Al Qaeda openly admits to supporting terrorism - then I'd reasonably assume people who join Al Qaeda support that, in the absence of additional evidence.

When I think of everything the Catholic church stands for - I don't think it's primary goal is to facilitate child molestation....so I reasonably assume that someone who is a priest does not necessarily support child molestation. Just like the primary goal of the United States wasn't to oppress black people or lock up japanese during WWII or to have children work dangerous jobs in factories. Sure the US *did* all of those things; but it wasn't central to it's stated belief system, at least not any more.
2012-04-08 10:19:18 AM  
1 vote:
Let's keep the thread positive, folks. It's an important day.
2012-04-08 10:10:38 AM  
1 vote:

Kome: If you stick around an organization that is ensconced in child rape to the same degree at the Catholic Church was/is, you're contributing to it even if it isn't your specific penis violating child after child while being moved from parish to parish.


So I take it you want the Public School System abolished? Or do you stand by that particular system well known for it's child rapists?
2012-04-08 10:09:31 AM  
1 vote:

Coelacanth: If there were more priests leaders like him, we would have none of the insanity that torments us all today.


FTIMHO

I trudge along as a rationalist/humanist, but I sure haven't figured out my own end-of-life solutions as elegantly as this man.

When you come right down to it, humans are hardwired for religion. No matter how intelligent and rational you are, there will always be things you can't understand -- they're too complex, too obscure (too much hidden information), or too frightening. Superstition and faith are the natural response to these situations -- not always the best or most adaptive, but natural.

Father Hemann, you make a compelling case that faith is the best response in this case. You're Doing It Right.
2012-04-08 09:47:30 AM  
1 vote:
Religion is bullshiat, let's move on already.
2012-04-08 09:45:52 AM  
1 vote:

Trapper439: Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.

What exactly has religion ever done that was "uplifting or good"?


Seriously? I mean, I'm an atheist too, but are you really trying to say nothing good has EVER come from religion? Schools, hospitals, feeding the poor, etc.? Churches have been known to do that sort of thing.
2012-04-08 09:42:44 AM  
1 vote:

Kome: Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.

"Blah blah blah, atheists are dicks who never have good points and we should always be nice to and about people in death even if those people contributed to the largest organized child rape scandal in recorded history, blah blah blah."


This man did? Do you know that for a fact? We don't know how this man felt about the church's actions on the many different pedophilia scandals. Maybe he was appalled by it but also so full of faith in the other ideas that he felt he must continue on as a positive example to the community and felt he represented all the good the church does. There ARE good people in the world, believe it or not. The church also does not say "hey, pedophilia is cool." They might imply that with their handling of the scandals, but they don't teach that it is acceptable.
2012-04-08 09:39:48 AM  
1 vote:
God rest that man's soul. The church needs a million copies of this guy to fill the ranks of the priesthood, not more robotic demagogues who repeat Vatican talking points every Sunday.
2012-04-08 09:31:09 AM  
1 vote:

bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.


Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.
2012-04-08 09:27:21 AM  
1 vote:

marius2: It must be sad though for all those parishioners, I mean imagine how many of them he knows closely. He must have taken the virginity of half of those kids.


i lol'd - and i'm on my way to Easter mass now...
some of you people need to unclench - it'll hurt less.

if you don't want people to make snarky child-rape remarks about your organization, don't rape children and then systematically cover it up for decades.
2012-04-08 09:24:52 AM  
1 vote:
I am not religious (understatement), but man, there are some cynical bastards in here. (I know....welcometofark.jpg)

/Godspeed, old man. Say "hi" to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for me.
2012-04-08 09:23:43 AM  
1 vote:

Copper Spork: Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x362]


Yeah but Hitler and Stalin.

/amidoingitright
2012-04-08 09:21:44 AM  
1 vote:
Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.
2012-04-08 09:13:06 AM  
1 vote:

marius2: It must be sad though for all those parishioners, I mean imagine how many of them he knows closely. He must have taken the virginity of half of those kids.


Bad taste, sir.
 
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