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(Des Moines Register)   Catholic priest dying of pancreatic cancer discovers the news during Lent, refuses to tell his parishioners and ruin Holy Week for them. But he has some words for everyone in what would be his last sermon   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 298
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2012-04-08 09:47:18 AM

rbaron71: A very touching story on this most Holy of days.

God Bless all of you this Easter Sunday. Joyeuses Pâques.


Agreed. Let the spring fertility celebrations and worship of Eostre begin!
 
2012-04-08 09:47:30 AM
Religion is bullshiat, let's move on already.
 
2012-04-08 09:49:01 AM

LDM90: Trapper439: Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.

What exactly has religion ever done that was "uplifting or good"?

Seriously? I mean, I'm an atheist too, but are you really trying to say nothing good has EVER come from religion? Schools, hospitals, feeding the poor, etc.? Churches have been known to do that sort of thing.


Also, giving people hope and strength. I'm an atheist but there are many days where I wished I believed in something. Religious people feel that there is always someone looking out for them, and belonging to a community that believes the same is very beneficial.
 
2012-04-08 09:50:37 AM
I'm an atheist, and what I see here is a decent man facing his end with dignity.
 
2012-04-08 09:51:19 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.


What I have done or not done is besides the point. Be assured that I have never belonged to an organization that raped little boys, burned innocent people at the stake and countless other atrocities in the name of a mystical being. That in itself sets me far above what you defend.
 
2012-04-08 09:51:27 AM
And 30 young boys are now safe.
 
2012-04-08 09:51:29 AM
That article was a load of horseshiat.

He might have been a good guy. He sure as shiat didn't need to wear a silly costume and profess faith in something unprovable to do it, but I'm sure the money helped..
 
2012-04-08 09:51:32 AM

Pathman: you do this a lot i've noticed


What? Try and defend a point of disagreement between my view and another's?

Bedstead Polisher: This man did? Do you know that for a fact? We don't know how this man felt about the church's actions on the many different pedophilia scandals. Maybe he was appalled by it but also so full of faith in the other ideas that he felt he must continue on as a positive example to the community and felt he represented all the good the church does. There ARE good people in the world, believe it or not. The church also does not say "hey, pedophilia is cool." They might imply that with their handling of the scandals, but they don't teach that it is acceptable.


He was a Catholic priest. Yes he contributed to an organization that lamented the fact it was caught in a child rape scandal more than the fact that it was a haven for child rapists, an organization that hindered criminal investigations rather than help them, an organization that during its own internal investigation put someone in charge of it who was later found out to be a pedophile himself.

If you stick around an organization that is ensconced in child rape to the same degree at the Catholic Church was/is, you're contributing to it even if it isn't your specific penis violating child after child while being moved from parish to parish. There is no ideal, or principle, or dictum that could possibly allow any person of conscience to stick around and work for or donate to an organization like that. Catholicism, as an ideal or a religious view, is not what I'm railing against right now (although I do tend to do that). But the behaviors and practices of the hierarchy and the clergy are so horrid that even trying to play devil's advocate here is morally repugnant.
 
2012-04-08 09:58:31 AM

Thisbymaster: And here the atheists will show their true colors, constantly shiatting on everything. No matter how uplifting or good, watch and weep as the same extremists that tarnish the records of other groups come and tarnish yours.


From the article, it seems Hemann is a genuinely good person and has touched a lot of lives. I commend him for that, and have no desire to discount the good he's done simply because he accomplished that good using the tools available to him within a belief framework that's different from my own.
 
2012-04-08 09:58:57 AM

bim1154: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.

What I have done or not done is besides the point. Be assured that I have never belonged to an organization that raped little boys, burned innocent people at the stake and countless other atrocities in the name of a mystical being. That in itself sets me far above what you defend.


You are so great! You've managed to avoid soiling your name with any association with anyone who is impure.

Wonderful. We all get it. Every priest is a bad person. Every priest is a child rapist. Only people who can prove that neither they nor their ancestors were ever associated with anything bad can be smug like you. Congratulations! Anyone who does not believe that every Catholic priest is a rapist or responsible for rape is cowering in your shadow right now.
 
2012-04-08 09:59:06 AM

bim1154: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.

What I have done or not done is besides the point. Be assured that I have never belonged to an organization that raped little boys, burned innocent people at the stake and countless other atrocities in the name of a mystical being. That in itself sets me far above what you defend.


Actually - that's almost certainly not true.

Presumably you are a citizen of some country. Any country you can think of has done some horrible things. Virtually any country is CURRENTLY doing some horrible things.

I'm a US citizen living abroad - and it's pretty interesting how people immediately think that I, personally, support everything the US does. That I, personally, should be able to explain every logical inconsistency in policy or law.

Likewise, a lot of people work for big corporations. The cashier at Walmart is hardly responsible for the working conditions of some factory in China that exclusively produces crap to be sold at Walmart. But they do belong to that company.

I'm a citizen of the United States
A resident of Ireland
A employee of a multinational financial company

That doesn't mean I support all of the horrible things the US (and other US citizens) has/have done, or the horrible things Ireland has done, or the horrible things 'my' company has done, or the horrible things other people have done in the financial industry. But I belong to all of those groups. Certainly, as seen by outsiders who don't know me.

Unless you are truly self-sufficient; whether or not you want to admit it - you are apart of many groups. And they've almost certainly done horrible things you don't agree with.
 
2012-04-08 09:59:44 AM
My mother died of pancreatic cancer. I am so not getting a kick....

If you found this poor priest's message uplifting, go visit a pancreatic cancer patient during their last weeks of life, when all the morphine in the world can no longer control the pain, but still takes their lucidity away. And there is not one thing you can do except wish that this person, whom you loved and hoped would always be with you, will die very soon. See what you think then.

Now I'm bummed.
 
2012-04-08 10:00:08 AM

Kome: even trying to play devil's advocate here is morally repugnant


Fun fact: John Paul II abolished the devil's advocate because it was getting in the way of him making several hundred new saints. Apparently the requirement that a "miracle" be attributed to someone before they could be canonised got rather difficult when modern medical science got involved.
 
2012-04-08 10:02:16 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: That doesn't mean I support all of the horrible things the US (and other US citizens) has/have done, or the horrible things Ireland has done, or the horrible things 'my' company has done, or the horrible things other people have done in the financial industry. But I belong to all of those groups. Certainly, as seen by outsiders who don't know me.

Unless you are truly self-sufficient; whether or not you want to admit it - you are apart of many groups. And they've almost certainly done horrible things you don't agree with.


Would you accept that defence for members of the KKK or Al Qaeda too?
 
2012-04-08 10:02:48 AM
www.acf.hhs.gov


BUT THE CHURCH!!!!!

/you hypocrites. it was never about the children...
 
2012-04-08 10:03:11 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: Wonderful. We all get it. Every priest is a bad person. Every priest is a child rapist. Only people who can prove that neither they nor their ancestors were ever associated with anything bad can be smug like you. Congratulations! Anyone who does not believe that every Catholic priest is a rapist or responsible for rape is cowering in your shadow right now.


It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.
 
2012-04-08 10:03:41 AM

BurnShrike: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

The "great things" he did like tell people there was some magical man in the sky watching them, so they had to give him money so they'd get in to heaven? What a wonderful guy.

Or telling people they can't use contraception despite our planet being over-populated and the risk of disease?

The world can do with a few less people like that, thanks.


Yep. Ignore everything in that article that is good and humane about a man who devoted his life to helping others. Ignore all the people he helped in life. Concentrate on what you HATE about his religion.

And we can all be grateful to you because you've done so much more for real people in your life than this man who devoted most of his life to helping those in need.

Congratulations. I didn't know what a piece of shiat this man was in comparison to your lifelong dedication to the needs of those around you. Perhaps you should write his church and make sure all those people who loved Fr. Hemann know that they're assholes, too.
 
2012-04-08 10:07:15 AM
Bim1154 has a lot of anger in him. I would recommend seeing a professional in the psychiatric medical field.

/I know, don't get him started on psychology
 
2012-04-08 10:08:34 AM

lilplatinum: themeaningoflifeisnot: Wonderful. We all get it. Every priest is a bad person. Every priest is a child rapist. Only people who can prove that neither they nor their ancestors were ever associated with anything bad can be smug like you. Congratulations! Anyone who does not believe that every Catholic priest is a rapist or responsible for rape is cowering in your shadow right now.

It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.


Hahahahahaha! You, Sir Asshole, live in a country that murdered millions upon millions of men, women and children just because they didn't fit into the perfect Aryan world. By your standard, you'd better get the f*ck out of there or you deserve the same fate as the dead children at Mengele's feet. And make sure you don't associate with any Germans because they're all connected to someone who has the blood of Jews on their hands.
 
2012-04-08 10:08:52 AM

poorcku: [www.acf.hhs.gov image 372x461]


BUT THE CHURCH!!!!!

/you hypocrites. it was never about the children...


So because parents are the most common sexual abusers it is okay when priests do it?

You sick fark.
 
2012-04-08 10:09:31 AM

Coelacanth: If there were more priests leaders like him, we would have none of the insanity that torments us all today.


FTIMHO

I trudge along as a rationalist/humanist, but I sure haven't figured out my own end-of-life solutions as elegantly as this man.

When you come right down to it, humans are hardwired for religion. No matter how intelligent and rational you are, there will always be things you can't understand -- they're too complex, too obscure (too much hidden information), or too frightening. Superstition and faith are the natural response to these situations -- not always the best or most adaptive, but natural.

Father Hemann, you make a compelling case that faith is the best response in this case. You're Doing It Right.
 
2012-04-08 10:09:32 AM

lilplatinum: It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.


In your user profile it says you have interests in the "classical liberalism". I can see how . Arschloch.
 
2012-04-08 10:10:38 AM

Kome: If you stick around an organization that is ensconced in child rape to the same degree at the Catholic Church was/is, you're contributing to it even if it isn't your specific penis violating child after child while being moved from parish to parish.


So I take it you want the Public School System abolished? Or do you stand by that particular system well known for it's child rapists?
 
2012-04-08 10:11:46 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: Hahahahahaha! You, Sir Asshole, live in a country that murdered millions upon millions of men, women and children just because they didn't fit into the perfect Aryan world. By your standard, you'd better get the f*ck out of there or you deserve the same fate as the dead children at Mengele's feet. And make sure you don't associate with any Germans because they're all connected to someone who has the blood of Jews on their hands.


The difference, other than the fact that I am not a Kraut and just work here, is that ze Germans are not still actively participating in their reprehensible behavior. The entire male gender of this country has pretty much been emasculated for their crimes. The Catholic Church, however, still actively supports pedophiles and works to keep them around our children. People don't inherit the guilt of their ancestors, but when they actively join a criminal institution they get the guilt of supporting it.
 
2012-04-08 10:12:33 AM

poorcku: lilplatinum: It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.

In your user profile it says you have interests in the "classical liberalism". I can see how . Arschloch.


You sound mad, you must be a child molester. Fotzengesicht.
 
2012-04-08 10:13:23 AM

lilplatinum: It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.


Westboro Baptist-like typing detected.
 
2012-04-08 10:15:30 AM
condescending troll is condescending

/believers can only argue using Logical Fallacy
 
2012-04-08 10:15:31 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.

What I have done or not done is besides the point. Be assured that I have never belonged to an organization that raped little boys, burned innocent people at the stake and countless other atrocities in the name of a mystical being. That in itself sets me far above what you defend.

You are so great! You've managed to avoid soiling your name with any association with anyone who is impure.

Wonderful. We all get it. Every priest is a bad person. Every priest is a child rapist. Only people who can prove that neither they nor their ancestors were ever associated with anything bad can be smug like you. Congratulations! Anyone who does not believe that every Catholic priest is a rapist or responsible for rape is cowering in your shadow right now.


Let's go back to square one. He did nothing any more spectacular than anyone else that does good deeds every day. The only difference here is that some media whore decided it deserved attention. You go right on ahead and defend what ever it is you are trying to defend. One person brought to the forefront of good deeds does not undo the stigma associated with the Catholics. Nice try though... You get some points for trying.

/over and out
 
2012-04-08 10:15:43 AM
I whole lot of hate filled people here. What a shame they don't expend some of that energy doing something, anything.

Derp on little closed minded twats.
 
2012-04-08 10:15:46 AM

jfarkinB: lilplatinum: It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.

Westboro Baptist-like typing detected.


Yes, complaining about institutional child abuse is exactly like protesting soldiers funerals because of some non existent link to gays.

You aren't very good at the whole analogy thing, are you.
 
2012-04-08 10:17:04 AM

CanisNoir: So I take it you want the Public School System abolished? Or do you stand by that particular system well known for it's child rapists?


As far as I'm aware, the public school system doesn't tend to actively obstruct criminal investigations into child rape.
 
2012-04-08 10:18:43 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.


He seemed like the right kind of priest. Silly for everyone to be snarking at him. Helping others is important to him. He has a lot of friends probably because he is very much worthy of those friends. This article was written for the people who love him, not jerks on the internet who don't know him and wouldn't give a crap if he died.
 
2012-04-08 10:19:18 AM
Let's keep the thread positive, folks. It's an important day.
 
2012-04-08 10:20:25 AM

bim1154:
Let's go back to square one. He did nothing any more spectacular than anyone else that does good deeds every day. The only difference here is that some media whore decided it deserved attention. You go right on ahead and defend what ever it is you are trying to defend. One person brought to the forefront of good deeds does not undo the stigma associated with the Catholics. Nice try though... You get some points for trying.

/over and out


Sorry for keeping you from your philanthropic works. You've convinced me. Fr. Hemann didn't do anything unusually good for anyone at anytime. He's just lucky a media whore played up his story.
 
2012-04-08 10:20:28 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: He seemed like the right kind of priest. Silly for everyone to be snarking at him. Helping others is important to him. He has a lot of friends probably because he is very much worthy of those friends. This article was written for the people who love him, not jerks on the internet who don't know him and wouldn't give a crap if he died.


If we replaced "priest" with "Grand Wizard of the KKK", would you say the same thing?
 
2012-04-08 10:20:46 AM

lilplatinum: So because parents are the most common sexual abusers it is okay when priests do it?

You sick fark.


No, but if you would care about the problem you'd go for the root of it. Not going on a crusade. I know your types, I have talked to people like you. It is never about saving the children. You are the same people that go around in Germany preaching that the crucifix doesn't belong in schools.

It is the second time this happens in our country. The second time! The first time it happened it was in 1936 when Julius Pauly tried to pull it out of all public buildings and schools. Yes, correct. It was the Nazis.

In 1941, Bormann, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." He also declared that the Churches influence in the leadership of the people "must absolutely and finally be broken."

This is why I am not wrong when I say that banning all things religion from our schools and public domain is fascistoid. I don't care about the USA. They have their own culture and laws. This is German specific so butt off.
 
2012-04-08 10:21:18 AM

rbaron71: Let's keep the thread positive, folks. It's an important day.


Is it? Was it as important as last year's special day? and the year before that?
 
2012-04-08 10:21:48 AM

rbaron71: Let's keep the thread positive, folks. It's an important day.


Yeah, it's the festival of spring fertility, as life returns to the land after the long winter. Or did you think eggs and rabbits had anything to do with Jesus?
 
2012-04-08 10:22:02 AM

Copper Spork: CanisNoir: So I take it you want the Public School System abolished? Or do you stand by that particular system well known for it's child rapists?

As far as I'm aware, the public school system doesn't tend to actively obstruct criminal investigations into child rape.


THIS. I'm sure this guy in particular was nice and well meaning, but his sense of right and wrong was clearly warped by one of the most evil and pervasive cults in the world, if he didn't leave their ranks in protest when the scale of the child-rape scandal was revealed. The same goes for his parishioners.

You can't simultaneously believe that God is a kind and loving being and that these kiddy-farking sociopaths are the gatekeepers to Heaven.
 
2012-04-08 10:22:29 AM

poorcku: It is the second time this happens in our country. The second time! The first time it happened it was in 1936 when Julius Pauly tried to pull it out of all public buildings and schools. Yes, correct. It was the Nazis.


The same Nazis who had "Gott Mit Uns" on their belt buckles, and whose Fuhrer repeatedly said he was doing God's work?
 
2012-04-08 10:23:35 AM
Lol "over and out"

What a self righteous douchebag!
 
2012-04-08 10:23:48 AM

bim1154: themeaningoflifeisnot: bim1154: Good people die every day. Makes no difference whether it's a priest or someone who digs ditches, it's tragic either way. I see nothing profound here... let's move on.

Yeah, ignore all the great things this guy did for others. He doesn't deserve to be appreciated because he's a f*cking priest.

What an asshole comment. This isn't about the guy deserving special attention because he's a dying priest. It's about the example of humanity he's set for others and all the joy he brought into people's lives over a life of giving back to the community.

I am quite sure you haven't done a tenth of the good things this man has done in his life.

What I have done or not done is besides the point. Be assured that I have never belonged to an organization that raped little boys, burned innocent people at the stake and countless other atrocities in the name of a mystical being. That in itself sets me far above what you defend.


If you are a citizen of the USofA, you belong to an organization that burned innocent people at the stake when a neighbour accused them of witchcraft, who enslaved and mistreated countless others because they had the bad idea of being born in the "dark continent", and who displaced and/or killed millions of natives in order to give their land to someone who was fortunate enough to have had European grandparents.

You are not above anything. You are the beneficiary of crimes committed by others.
 
2012-04-08 10:24:26 AM

Bio-nic: marius2: It must be sad though for all those parishioners, I mean imagine how many of them he knows closely. He must have taken the virginity of half of those kids.

Bad taste, sir.


A bit of mouthwash will fix that
 
2012-04-08 10:25:04 AM

poorcku: No, but if you would care about the problem you'd go for the root of it. Not going on a crusade. I know your types, I have talked to people like you. It is never about saving the children. You are the same people that go around in Germany preaching that the crucifix doesn't belong in schools.

It is the second time this happens in our country. The second time! The first time it happened it was in 1936 when Julius Pauly tried to pull it out of all public buildings and schools. Yes, correct. It was the Nazis.

In 1941, Bormann, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." He also declared that the Churches influence in the leadership of the people "must absolutely and finally be broken."

This is why I am not wrong when I say that banning all things religion from our schools and public domain is fascistoid. I don't care about the USA. They have their own culture and laws. This is German specific so butt off.


You bizzare non sequitor has nothing to do with anything. I don't care that the Germans did farked up shiat in the past, they are not actively doing it now like the Church is. Notice how I am not damning Catholicism for all the farked up shiat in his past, but instead with the farked up policies it is actively practicing and that by being a member you tacitly consent to - such as the spread of HIV and the proliferation of child molesters. I am not even on a crusade, it is pretty low on my list of things I care about, but by supporting an organization that supports child molesters you are supporting child molesters.

Im not sure what any of this has to do with your bizzare crucifix in school rambling nonsense..
 
2012-04-08 10:25:14 AM

lilplatinum: jfarkinB: lilplatinum: It doesn't matter if you are physically a rapist or not, by belonging to an organization that spends money trying to actively protect child rapists and keep them in society, you are a bad person and you deserve your cancer.

Westboro Baptist-like typing detected.

Yes, complaining about institutional child abuse is exactly like protesting soldiers funerals because of some non existent link to gays.

You aren't very good at the whole analogy thing, are you.


Don't forget to hate every American soldier because the military committed abuses at Abu Ghraib and covered it up. Because we all know that every soldier who voluntarily joined the military is individually responsible for institutional abuses.

And don't forget to hate on every Republican because GOP representatives have an unusual history of f*cking underage pages on Capitol Hill.

And don't forget to hate on America itself because we had a long history of slavery that all Americans are still individually accountable for.
 
2012-04-08 10:25:34 AM

Copper Spork: Fark_Guy_Rob: That doesn't mean I support all of the horrible things the US (and other US citizens) has/have done, or the horrible things Ireland has done, or the horrible things 'my' company has done, or the horrible things other people have done in the financial industry. But I belong to all of those groups. Certainly, as seen by outsiders who don't know me.

Unless you are truly self-sufficient; whether or not you want to admit it - you are apart of many groups. And they've almost certainly done horrible things you don't agree with.

Would you accept that defence for members of the KKK or Al Qaeda too?


As much as people are going to take this out of context; yes - I would. To the extend that it is appropriate.

I truthfully don't know much about the stated goals and sanctioned actions of either the KKK or Al Qaeda. But when someone 'joins' a group - I only reasonably assume they are in some level of agreement with the stated and/or obvious goals of that organization. If Al Qaeda openly admits to supporting terrorism - then I'd reasonably assume people who join Al Qaeda support that, in the absence of additional evidence.

When I think of everything the Catholic church stands for - I don't think it's primary goal is to facilitate child molestation....so I reasonably assume that someone who is a priest does not necessarily support child molestation. Just like the primary goal of the United States wasn't to oppress black people or lock up japanese during WWII or to have children work dangerous jobs in factories. Sure the US *did* all of those things; but it wasn't central to it's stated belief system, at least not any more.
 
2012-04-08 10:26:18 AM

capt.hollister: If you are a citizen of the USofA, you belong to an organization that burned innocent people at the stake when a neighbour accused them of witchcraft, who enslaved and mistreated countless others because they had the bad idea of being born in the "dark continent", and who displaced and/or killed millions of natives in order to give their land to someone who was fortunate enough to have had European grandparents.


Unlike the Catholic Church, membership of a country is not something you can realistically opt out of.
 
GBB
2012-04-08 10:26:29 AM

poorcku: [www.acf.hhs.gov image 372x461]


BUT THE CHURCH!!!!!

/you hypocrites. it was never about the children...


Ya, but parents own their kids ... so it's OK. Parents get upset when other people play with their toys.
 
2012-04-08 10:26:59 AM

capt.hollister: If you are a citizen of the USofA, you belong to an organization that burned innocent people at the stake when a neighbour accused them of witchcraft, who enslaved and mistreated countless others because they had the bad idea of being born in the "dark continent", and who displaced and/or killed millions of natives in order to give their land to someone who was fortunate enough to have had European grandparents.


You choose to go to church, call yourself Catholic and give money to protect child rapists. It's something you actively participate in. Being a citizen of the USA is something you are whether you like it or not, and it's not reasonably possible to opt out of it.
 
2012-04-08 10:27:22 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't forget to hate every American soldier because the military committed abuses at Abu Ghraib and covered it up. Because we all know that every soldier who voluntarily joined the military is individually responsible for institutional abuses.

And don't forget to hate on every Republican because GOP representatives have an unusual history of f*cking underage pages on Capitol Hill.

And don't forget to hate on America itself because we had a long history of slavery that all Americans are still individually accountable for.


I'm not a big fan of Soldiers or Republicans, so I don't join those groups. There is plenty to be ashamed about by belonging to America, but as I said above - unlike the Church, citizenship is kind of hard to switch.
 
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