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(TMZ)   Thanks to an ironclad prenup, Ruben Studdard only has to give his ex-wife $12,000 and a 2006 BMW. Bonus: no alimony, and he gets the engagement ring back   (tmz.com) divider line 129
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2012-04-09 02:05:19 AM
If the divorce courts weren't retarded woman-happy, we wouldn't even need pre-nups. Society lurched light years forward with gender equality, save the divorce courts... They're still in an era of draconian law where women are helpless, useless lumps who need to suck men dry to survive life without one.
 
2012-04-09 02:09:56 AM

The Great EZE:
I thought Dougie APX had a good deal going. Two successful ambitious people should be able to make a marriage work WHILE being smart enough to know that systems should be put in place should the worst happen.

Afterall, one of the biggest oxymorons in the English language is "amicable divorce."

If the biggest cause of marital disputes is money then settling on rules (i.e. strong prenup, separate accounts) before signing ...


It's easy to hide money. Self employment income where there's one "official" bank account and another off the books. Sometimes bonuses aren't direct deposited. In the case of one of my friends, his wife was getting money from her parents. She didn't tell him and later when he found out, she told him she needed that money because she wasn't getting enough and it turned into an ugly argument and he ended up living in my second home for a month. They eventually split.

Point is, going into a marriage thinking that you get out in proportion to what you put in is bound not to work. That kind of arrangement has a very high chance of breeding resentment because contributions to the arrangement go beyond money. If someone brings significantly more assets into the marriage than the other, then maybe a prenup is warranted, but assets earned during the marriage should be shared equally.
 
2012-04-09 03:15:34 AM

Dear Jerk: Did I read that right? Did he make her give his name back? That would take it from meh to awesome.


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'He can take everything, I don't care - except the name. I earned it'
 
2012-04-09 03:21:27 AM

sleeps in trees: I'm really not that adorable.


You sound fat. And that dress makes you look fat. In short, you're fat. Fat.
 
2012-04-09 06:30:34 AM
If you go into marriage planning your divorce, just skip getting married.
 
2012-04-09 07:09:04 AM

sage37: Gergesa: sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

Might I ask if you have a plan to assist your father?

I moved in with him, switched to part-time to at least be able to cover my costs, and spend the rest of my time taking care of his parents (who live with us) and maintaining the property (repairs, cooking, cleaning, etc)


Good for you. You are doing well by your father who needs you and you should feel good about this. Sincerely, I hope you're are coated by your family.

As for alimony, it is never ever fair to force one person to pay another person money. I don't care what things were like before, or what risk one of them took. The contract is over and there is no longer an obligation. Period.

If we're going to get in the business of making things between two adults fair, beyond the expiration of their relationship, why not force her to keep farking him for another year? Or force him to come over and do the yard for her?
 
2012-04-09 07:11:47 AM

Terrible Old Man: If the divorce courts weren't retarded woman-happy, we wouldn't even need pre-nups. Society lurched light years forward with gender equality, save the divorce courts... They're still in an era of draconian law where women are helpless, useless lumps who need to suck men dry to survive life without one.


Alimony is another form of sexism, similar to how women get much shorter prison sentences for the exact same crimes.
Women can't control their emotions so they should get less prison time.
Women can't survive without a man's income so they deserve financial support.
Even progressive women's rights group are pointing out things like this.

I hope Paul McCartney is reading this article and kicking himself in the nuts. His ex waited until the day she was legally entitled to maximum amounts and filed papers. She wanted royalties from songs written in the 1960's for a marriage that didn't last a decade in the 2000's.

Male or female if you have anything before marriage get a pre-nup. Even if you don't have much get a pre-nup. It can save thousands in lawyer fees. When you go to court the lawyers take a huge cut, THEN you get to share what's left.
Get a pre-nup for marriage and irrevocable trust for death (no, not a will).
 
2012-04-09 07:29:38 AM

Gramma: If you go into marriage planning your divorce, just skip getting married.

 
2012-04-09 07:55:05 AM

perigee: Know how I know I'm not married...?


You're fat?
 
2012-04-09 07:58:17 AM

Gramma: If you go into marriage planning your divorce, just skip getting married.


That's terrible advice. Too many people forget that on paper marriage is a partnership with legally binding financial stipulations in the event of dissolution. If you enter into an actual business partnership and draw out a contract that lays out who's entitled to what in the event the business goes under, that's not an expectation of failure. That's prudence.
 
2012-04-09 08:40:11 AM
Money isn't everything.
 
2012-04-09 09:14:07 AM
this headline was a missed opportunity of epic proportions.
 
2012-04-09 09:27:15 AM

fozziewazzi: Gramma: If you go into marriage planning your divorce, just skip getting married.

That's terrible advice. Too many people forget that on paper marriage is a partnership with legally binding financial stipulations in the event of dissolution. If you enter into an actual business partnership and draw out a contract that lays out who's entitled to what in the event the business goes under, that's not an expectation of failure. That's prudence.


You just proved Gramma's point.

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2012-04-09 10:11:58 AM

zenobia: fozziewazzi: Gramma: If you go into marriage planning your divorce, just skip getting married.

That's terrible advice. Too many people forget that on paper marriage is a partnership with legally binding financial stipulations in the event of dissolution. If you enter into an actual business partnership and draw out a contract that lays out who's entitled to what in the event the business goes under, that's not an expectation of failure. That's prudence.

You just proved Gramma's point.

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If you buy a house and plan for the event of it burning down, then don't buy a house. Sound silly?

You enter into marriage with hopes that it will work out but there are so many things that can change in 2, 5 10 years. If you're both adults you'll acknowledge this and discuss it before getting married.

I know, that sort of sucks the 'romance' out of getting married and turns it into a business contract. But there's no romance when the divorce papers are delivered.
 
2012-04-09 10:33:38 AM

fozziewazzi: If you buy a house and plan for the event of it burning down, then don't buy a house. Sound silly?

You enter into marriage with hopes that it will work out but there are so many things that can change in 2, 5 10 years. If you're both adults you'll acknowledge this and discuss it before getting married.

I know, that sort of sucks the 'romance' out of getting married and turns it into a business contract. But there's no romance when the divorce papers are delivered.


THIS.

Some of the most childish things ever said have been said as arguments against prenups. People have an easier time buying life insurance and thinking about their own death than arranging a prenup and thinking about the possibility of divorce.

People change. And during divorce proceedings people change for the worse. There's plenty of room for reality between all that romance.

The more I think about it the more convinced I am. I can't see why anyone would avoid a prenup...unless they have something to gain by marrying without one.
 
2012-04-09 11:02:12 AM

zenobia: fozziewazzi: Gramma: If you go into marriage planning your divorce, just skip getting married.

That's terrible advice. Too many people forget that on paper marriage is a partnership with legally binding financial stipulations in the event of dissolution. If you enter into an actual business partnership and draw out a contract that lays out who's entitled to what in the event the business goes under, that's not an expectation of failure. That's prudence.

You just proved Gramma's point.

inigiomontoya.jpg


I don't know whether I should have expected the results in this thread, or not. Some very severe gender lines drawn.

/alimony and child support need to be abolished
//marriage for romance should be abolished
///marriage as a business contract needs to be re-instated
//divorce should be easy, but also dissolving a business
/if you can't provide for a child, you have no business with custody
 
2012-04-09 11:10:45 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: child support need to be abolished


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2012-04-09 11:40:54 AM
I ain't saying she's a gold digger, but she .... married a big fat rich guy and tried to take the money and run.

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2012-04-09 02:04:56 PM

sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.


And Fark you men who do the same.
 
2012-04-09 02:31:57 PM
"Temporary alimony is the result of this. It's a temporary rehabilitation to allow the spouse that made the financial sacrifice to return to school, get training or increase skills, or otherwise regain employment and seniority that they lost in helping take care of the other spouse."

My ex signed this away at the initial hearing so she could have six months of spousal support (6000) up front instead of monthly (so she could buy more vicodin).

She never could think beyond the next 5 minutes, even before she became an addict.

/got house, custody, cars, had to give up some of 401k. Best $ I ever spent
 
2012-04-09 03:48:29 PM

The Great EZE: Atomic Spunk: Dougie AXP: My girlfriend is actually ok with my views on money and my desire to have a strict prenup before gettin married. I may have found a keeper.

She has a college degree, I have a college degree both are able to provide for ourselves. If we get married and have a prenup, household bills (mortgage, utilities etc) will be split via a percentage of the total combined gross income. i.e. I make 75% of the household income I pay 75% of the combined bills. Anything left is mine and goes into my personal accounts. Likewise she contributes 25% and keeps the rest. She keeps her personal cash, her 401k etc and she is not entitled to any of my personal assets nor am I entitled to hers. Any child support and custody would be left up to the courts. But there would be no spousal support or alimony.

She was on board with that and I let her know I was dead serious. So we'll see how this works out.

If the both of you are going to be that persnickety about money, marriage will be a disaster. I've known couples who tried to do this and it always blows up in their face. They end up trying to hide money from each other and when they get caught, it leads to a lot of arguing and distrust. Before long, you're going to be arguing about who contributes more in the way of housework and caring for the kids, and one of you will try to use that as leverage to get a bigger piece of the money pie.

Anyone who goes into a marriage thinking "I'm allowed to take my share of what I put into it" should just find a good divorce attorney and send in a retainer.

I thought Dougie APX had a good deal going. Two successful ambitious people should be able to make a marriage work WHILE being smart enough to know that systems should be put in place should the worst happen.

Afterall, one of the biggest oxymorons in the English language is "amicable divorce."

If the biggest cause of marital disputes is money then settling on rules (i.e. strong prenup, separate accounts) before signing th ...


You're also assuming that your partner is telling the truth about their income. I'm going through a breakup with my fiance who kept telling me "I don't make as much money as you thik I do!" I contributed 44% to all household expenses and lived on a budget with what I had left over. He could buy a "fun" car to "work" on (he'd pay someone else to do the work he said he'd do), or more bottles of scotch and cigars... because he only has 18 bottles and 4 humidors! Oh, but if I need to get fertilizer for the lawn, I'm on my own. Fark you. What a waste.

//Good luck to you though.
 
2012-04-09 04:21:07 PM
Wow, so he gets to keep all his profits from his massive record sales and successful tours? Or, did he go to Golden Corral and spend that already?
 
2012-04-09 04:38:59 PM

sandi_fish: sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

And Fark you men who do the same.


Yeah because you're always hearing about some guy who got most of his wife's shiat in a divorce.
 
2012-04-09 04:39:25 PM

coco ebert: Theaetetus can correct me if I'm wrong, but generally the wealth that is accumulated for the period in which you are married gets split- not the wealth that was accumulated before.


You are correct. But facts are never enough to stop the derp. As an added aside, certain monies collected during a marriage can also be considered separate assets that are not divisible in event of a divorce.
 
2012-04-09 05:02:14 PM
They need to make it easy to dissolve a marriage if 2 people want out. Get it done in an afternoon, no BS, no drama. I think that would be very very helpful for a lot of people who are forced to stay in a relationship to satisfy some rediculous law.

Case in point. My wife was married before. In NY State, it takes a couple years before you're finally divorced. Why? What's the point? If people make a mistake, and decide to re-marry who gives a crap? The way it is now, courts and funds are sucked up into this vortex of waste that make people miserable.

He was loaded, came from a famous, rich family in Norway. She didn't have shiat and they were insulting to her assuming she was going to take him to the cleaners. This after he was out screwing other women and hookers. She had him deported instead, dummy never followed through with his citizenship papers, and she withdrew her support, and he had to go. Too bad for his Professorship at Vassar. Ha ha, thanks Dick, she's an awesome wife. I win.
 
2012-04-09 05:58:10 PM

Brunette Farkette: You're also assuming snip

//Good luck to you though.


I feel for you. I Just saw my ex-fiance yesterday. I decided I didn't want to pay her student loans and mortgage while being treated like an unwanted roommate, so I took off. She's found some other poor sucker to sink her claws into. Now she's going to hawaii on his dime. Well, as long as she's happy. She proves the adage that beauty is only skin deep, the manipulative coont. Still feel that band tighten around my chest when I see her though, and this is 18 months after the fact. fml.
 
2012-04-09 06:00:44 PM

EbolaNYC: They need to make it easy to dissolve a marriage if 2 people want out. Get it done in an afternoon, no BS, no drama. I think that would be very very helpful for a lot of people who are forced to stay in a relationship to satisfy some rediculous law.

Case in point. My wife was married before. In NY State, it takes a couple years before you're finally divorced. Why? What's the point? If people make a mistake, and decide to re-marry who gives a crap? The way it is now, courts and funds are sucked up into this vortex of waste that make people miserable.

He was loaded, came from a famous, rich family in Norway. She didn't have shiat and they were insulting to her assuming she was going to take him to the cleaners. This after he was out screwing other women and hookers. She had him deported instead, dummy never followed through with his citizenship papers, and she withdrew her support, and he had to go. Too bad for his Professorship at Vassar. Ha ha, thanks Dick, she's an awesome wife. I win.


Ferengi 5-year marriage contracts should be the norm.

You have to renew a driver's license, a fishing license... why not a marriage license?
 
2012-04-09 06:28:40 PM

EbolaNYC: sandi_fish: sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

And Fark you men who do the same.

Yeah because you're always hearing about some guy who got most of his wife's shiat in a divorce.


I pay my ex spousal support, it does happen.
 
2012-04-10 08:36:33 AM

sandi_fish: EbolaNYC: sandi_fish: sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

And Fark you men who do the same.

Yeah because you're always hearing about some guy who got most of his wife's shiat in a divorce.

I pay my ex spousal support, it does happen.


Damn. I wouldn't mind the opportunity to have you support me for a bit.

/I like your smile.
 
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