Tellingthem: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: moralpanic: LOL a 2006 BMW that still isn't paid off?

Yeah...now that you mention it, I don't think most people finance for more than 5 years....

He could have bought it used...

Most people here are farking dingbats who make assumptions. Don't let this little possibility get in the way!

/I agree with you

Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

moralpanic: LOL a 2006 BMW that still isn't paid off?

People finance used cars?

cryinoutloud: Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

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Yeah, have half your stuff taken from you and don't complain, like a real man!

Damn....

His lawyer gets Glenfiddich for Christmas.

cryinoutloud: Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

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Don't forget that all of those judges and legislators were men, too, since women weren't allowed to vote or hold elected office at the time. But yeah, alimony wouldn't exist if it weren't for women.

Trance750: cookiefleck: Angry Buddha: moralpanic: LOL a 2006 BMW that still isn't paid off?

People finance used cars?

Oh lawl, yes. People who have shiat credit.

Well, not everybody has the money to pay cash-in-full for a brand new car.

Then you're supposed to buy a clunker that you can afford, and save, trading in as soon as you're able for something less clunker-y, and so on, until you've worked your way out of clunker territory and up to a reliable car that you like. With no debt. Or am I just being a buzzkill?

For the last 15 out of 20 years of marriage I have stayed home and raised kids (one disabled) while my husband works out of town. There is no way we could have made the money we do or him have the career he does if I hadn't chucked my education and career. He fully agrees and acknowledges this.

That being said, I'd never walk away from the marriage for any reason other than cheating or abuse. I'm lazy that way.

sage37: Gergesa: sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

Might I ask if you have a plan to assist your father?

I moved in with him, switched to part-time to at least be able to cover my costs, and spend the rest of my time taking care of his parents (who live with us) and maintaining the property (repairs, cooking, cleaning, etc)

So you became his wife then?

Not as easy as you thought, I take it.

sleeps in trees: For the last 15 out of 20 years of marriage I have stayed home and raised kids (one disabled) while my husband works out of town. There is no way we could have made the money we do or him have the career he does if I hadn't chucked my education and career. He fully agrees and acknowledges this.

That being said, I'd never walk away from the marriage for any reason other than cheating or abuse. I'm lazy that way.

What do you want a cookie?

cryinoutloud: Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

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You sound fat.

Slow news day? In other news, Arther Screwhead of Bumblenuts, MN ran a stop sign.

browntimmy: cryinoutloud: Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

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Yeah, have half your stuff taken from you and don't complain, like a real man!

Actually when you get married, everything you own, and everything she owns, becomes owned by both of you (aka community property). Sure, it would be much simpler if women were still regarded as chattel, but that's not how things are anymore. Don't like the rules? Don't get married in the first place. Men who whine about how women take all their stuff in divorce are a disgrace to men everywhere. It's not like it's some secret that assets are split 50/50 in a divorce, or that the person who doesn't have the kids living with them will be paying child support, and oftentimes alimony for the spouse who is still raising those kids. These things are well known. Crying about it just makes you look like a bigger biatch than an 8 year old girl who didn't get a pony for her birthday.

sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

I am free to make my money precisely BECAUSE of my wife and her support. If we ever split, she damn sure is entitled to a significant portion of it.

Trance750: cookiefleck: Angry Buddha: moralpanic: LOL a 2006 BMW that still isn't paid off?

People finance used cars?

Oh lawl, yes. People who have shiat credit.

Well, not everybody has the money to pay cash-in-full for a brand new car.

We do. When I bought my current car - my boyfriend wrote the check. Every month I pay him a bit back. Why? Because we have to show "financial dependence" so we can take advantage of health insurance and other benefits in case one another needs it because we can't get married. Meanwhile these two assholes show how seriosily straight people honor the sanctity of marriage.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: sage37: After 30 years my mom just recently decided to leave my dad. She got half his shiat and is a happy camper, while he's on the brink of suicide.
She never made shiat for money... her income was essentially pocket cash compared to him, but she still gets half.
fark you, women who steal out of a sense of entitlement.

I am free to make my money precisely BECAUSE of my wife and her support. If we ever split, she damn sure is entitled to a significant portion of it.

My husband says a clean, organized home, happy well adjusted children, a good meal and beer are underrated. I agree. That and he loves his job. I mean few people can do what they truly love, be good at it and make money.

He supports my hobbies which are really not profitable so it's a win win. That and he adores me and I'm really not that adorable.

gingerjet: Trance750: cookiefleck: Angry Buddha: moralpanic: LOL a 2006 BMW that still isn't paid off?

People finance used cars?

Oh lawl, yes. People who have shiat credit.

Well, not everybody has the money to pay cash-in-full for a brand new car.

We do. When I bought my current car - my boyfriend wrote the check. Every month I pay him a bit back. Why? Because we have to show "financial dependence" so we can take advantage of health insurance and other benefits in case one another needs it because we can't get married. Meanwhile these two assholes show how seriosily straight people honor the sanctity of marriage.

Come up north. Get married here, or won't the US honor that if you're not a citizen?

LectertheChef: browntimmy: cryinoutloud: Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

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Yeah, have half your stuff taken from you and don't complain, like a real man!

Actually when you get married, everything you own, and everything she owns, becomes owned by both of you (aka community property). Sure, it would be much simpler if women were still regarded as chattel, but that's not how things are anymore. Don't like the rules? Don't get married in the first place. Men who whine about how women take all their stuff in divorce are a disgrace to men everywhere. It's not like it's some secret that assets are split 50/50 in a divorce, or that the person who doesn't have the kids living with them will be paying child support, and oftentimes alimony for the spouse who is still raising those kids. These things are well known. Crying about it just makes you look like a bigger biatch than an 8 year old girl who didn't get a pony for her birthday.

"That's just the way things are" is probably the worst argument for anything in history.

Who keeps the Thousand-Island dressing?

sleeps in trees: For the last 15 out of 20 years of marriage I have stayed home and raised kids (one disabled) while my husband works out of town. There is no way we could have made the money we do or him have the career he does if I hadn't chucked my education and career. He fully agrees and acknowledges this.

That being said, I'd never walk away from the marriage for any reason other than cheating or abuse. I'm lazy that way.

Men are not monks... and I'll leave it at that.

Flint Ironstag: browntimmy: LectertheChef: browntimmy: cryinoutloud: Trance750: You know it was a woman who came up with the idea of alimony: Now dear, if you leave me, I get half of everything you own. If I leave you, I still get half

I'm pretty sure it was judges and the legislatures of each state that came up with alimony. But you keep on with the woman-hating whining, it makes it easier for me to spot the dickheads around here. Also lets everybody know who isn't capable of going through life without finding someone to blame for everything. AND IT'S ALWAYS A WOMAN.

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Yeah, have half your stuff taken from you and don't complain, like a real man!

Actually when you get married, everything you own, and everything she owns, becomes owned by both of you (aka community property). Sure, it would be much simpler if women were still regarded as chattel, but that's not how things are anymore. Don't like the rules? Don't get married in the first place. Men who whine about how women take all their stuff in divorce are a disgrace to men everywhere. It's not like it's some secret that assets are split 50/50 in a divorce, or that the person who doesn't have the kids living with them will be paying child support, and oftentimes alimony for the spouse who is still raising those kids. These things are well known. Crying about it just makes you look like a bigger biatch than an 8 year old girl who didn't get a pony for her birthday.

"That's just the way things are" is probably the worst argument for anything in history.

Exactly. The idea that there is no other possibility than "50:50 split" or "Wife is chattel" is pathetic.
If a couple get married at twenty and thirty years later he's a millionaire and she's been a housewife and mother the whole time then she deserves 50%.
If a broke twenty year old marries a millionaire and wants out after a year and wants half, she can get lost. She hasn't contributed to that wealth, she doesn't deserve to leech off him for t ...


Shouldn't that money actually go to the nannies and housekeepers?

/alimony is a joke due to abuse by females
//child support is a joke due to abuse by females
///men deserve the jokes because men have a habit of skipping out
/it's the circle of life

sleeps in trees: My husband says a clean, organized home, happy well adjusted children, a good meal and beer are underrated

He forgot to mention blowjobs. Other than that, I like the cut of his jib.

Seriously...the Mrs. does a LOT. She works a little bit to help make ends meet, but most of her contribution to the marriage is not compensated...cleaning, cooking, laundry, the kids, the sex (Although.....it is interesting to point out that it is only illegal to pay for a surrogate for ONE of those activities....). My bank accounts, my house, my car....they are not mine, they are OURS, accumulated through joint effort. All of you talking about losing half of "your" shiat.....I think I might see why those marriages wouldn't hold up.....

Ed Finnerty: Who keeps the Thousand-Island dressing?

After Ruben got done, there are only 4 islands left.

...and if you aint no punk, holla "we want prenup".

/Not sayin'...

Gergesa: Might I ask if you have a plan to assist your father?

WTFdoesitmatter: Gergesa: Might I ask if you have a plan to assist your father?

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Just don't be a dumbass like Scott Peterson and forget to properly weigh it down.

moralpanic: LOL a 2006 BMW that still isn't paid off?


"Six more payments, gentlemen, and this beautiful, luxury convertible Beemer is all mine."

What's a Ruben Studdard, is that like a new change on a classic sammich? What is it, because I've always found my rubens bland.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: sleeps in trees: For the last 15 out of 20 years of marriage I have stayed home and raised kids (one disabled) while my husband works out of town. There is no way we could have made the money we do or him have the career he does if I hadn't chucked my education and career. He fully agrees and acknowledges this.

That being said, I'd never walk away from the marriage for any reason other than cheating or abuse. I'm lazy that way.

Men are not monks... and I'll leave it at that.

No they are not, neither are they all assholes.

/sorry for why you are so bitter
//not being sarcastic

Dougie AXP: My girlfriend is actually ok with my views on money and my desire to have a strict prenup before gettin married. I may have found a keeper.

She has a college degree, I have a college degree both are able to provide for ourselves. If we get married and have a prenup, household bills (mortgage, utilities etc) will be split via a percentage of the total combined gross income. i.e. I make 75% of the household income I pay 75% of the combined bills. Anything left is mine and goes into my personal accounts. Likewise she contributes 25% and keeps the rest. She keeps her personal cash, her 401k etc and she is not entitled to any of my personal assets nor am I entitled to hers. Any child support and custody would be left up to the courts. But there would be no spousal support or alimony.

She was on board with that and I let her know I was dead serious. So we'll see how this works out.

If the both of you are going to be that persnickety about money, marriage will be a disaster. I've known couples who tried to do this and it always blows up in their face. They end up trying to hide money from each other and when they get caught, it leads to a lot of arguing and distrust. Before long, you're going to be arguing about who contributes more in the way of housework and caring for the kids, and one of you will try to use that as leverage to get a bigger piece of the money pie.

Anyone who goes into a marriage thinking "I'm allowed to take my share of what I put into it" should just find a good divorce attorney and send in a retainer.

DubyaHater: zenobia: DubyaHater: "Boo-hoo judge, I signed this pre-nup because the Bible says divorce is a sin, and I never thought it would happen to me. Love is eternal, right? Now we're divorcing and I don't want to adhere to this legally binding document. I should get something, a lot of something, for contributing nothing to this marriage. Please nullify this pre-nup and I will blow you".
/Fun fact.....your partner striking at rich, whether male or female, does not entitle you to squat
//unless you can prove you played an integral role in acquiring said wealth
///never married, never will be married
////my girlfriend is perfectly fine with that

I bet she is.
Fun fact: If your partner isn't playing an integral role in your life, you made a mistake in the first place.

Hence, why people have pre-nups and why divorces tend to get ugly. People change, relationships change, priorities change.
People enter relationships and get married for several reasons, sometimes for the wrong reasons. Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't quite understand why you made your comment, other than in an attempt to be snarky. Good job, I guess.

DubyaHater: zenobia: DubyaHater: "Boo-hoo judge, I signed this pre-nup because the Bible says divorce is a sin, and I never thought it would happen to me. Love is eternal, right? Now we're divorcing and I don't want to adhere to this legally binding document. I should get something, a lot of something, for contributing nothing to this marriage. Please nullify this pre-nup and I will blow you".
/Fun fact.....your partner striking at rich, whether male or female, does not entitle you to squat
//unless you can prove you played an integral role in acquiring said wealth
///never married, never will be married
////my girlfriend is perfectly fine with that

I bet she is.
Fun fact: If your partner isn't playing an integral role in your life, you made a mistake in the first place.

Hence, why people have pre-nups and why divorces tend to get ugly. People change, relationships change, priorities change.
People enter relationships and get married for several reasons, sometimes for the wrong reasons. Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't quite understand why you made your comment, other than in an attempt to be snarky. Good job, I guess.

Not snark at all. Marriage is an I-got-your-back-you-got mine partnership. If you're not willing to take a chance and commit to that in the first place, there's absolutely no sense in getting married.

coco ebert: Flint Ironstag: If a broke twenty year old marries a millionaire and wants out after a year and wants half, she can get lost. She hasn't contributed to that wealth, she doesn't deserve to leech off him for the rest of her life.

Theaetetus can correct me if I'm wrong, but generally the wealth that is accumulated for the period in which you are married gets split- not the wealth that was accumulated before.

Completely correct, in most states.

Dougie AXP: My girlfriend is actually ok with my views on money and my desire to have a strict prenup before gettin married. I may have found a keeper.

She has a college degree, I have a college degree both are able to provide for ourselves. If we get married and have a prenup, household bills (mortgage, utilities etc) will be split via a percentage of the total combined gross income. i.e. I make 75% of the household income I pay 75% of the combined bills. Anything left is mine and goes into my personal accounts. Likewise she contributes 25% and keeps the rest. She keeps her personal cash, her 401k etc and she is not entitled to any of my personal assets nor am I entitled to hers. Any child support and custody would be left up to the courts. But there would be no spousal support or alimony.

She was on board with that and I let her know I was dead serious. So we'll see how this works out.

Brilliant. And when she takes time off to care for the kid, you'll also take the exact same time off. She leaves at 5 on a Friday, you leave at 5 on that same Friday, right?
Oh, wait, doesn't quite work that way? More than 50% of the time caring for and raising the child will come from her pool?

In short, your plan works great if there are no kids. If there are kids, then your plan is woefully naive and ignores reality.

Atomic Spunk: Dougie AXP: My girlfriend is actually ok with my views on money and my desire to have a strict prenup before gettin married. I may have found a keeper.

She has a college degree, I have a college degree both are able to provide for ourselves. If we get married and have a prenup, household bills (mortgage, utilities etc) will be split via a percentage of the total combined gross income. i.e. I make 75% of the household income I pay 75% of the combined bills. Anything left is mine and goes into my personal accounts. Likewise she contributes 25% and keeps the rest. She keeps her personal cash, her 401k etc and she is not entitled to any of my personal assets nor am I entitled to hers. Any child support and custody would be left up to the courts. But there would be no spousal support or alimony.

She was on board with that and I let her know I was dead serious. So we'll see how this works out.

If the both of you are going to be that persnickety about money, marriage will be a disaster. I've known couples who tried to do this and it always blows up in their face. They end up trying to hide money from each other and when they get caught, it leads to a lot of arguing and distrust. Before long, you're going to be arguing about who contributes more in the way of housework and caring for the kids, and one of you will try to use that as leverage to get a bigger piece of the money pie.

Anyone who goes into a marriage thinking "I'm allowed to take my share of what I put into it" should just find a good divorce attorney and send in a retainer.

I thought Dougie APX had a good deal going. Two successful ambitious people should be able to make a marriage work WHILE being smart enough to know that systems should be put in place should the worst happen.

Afterall, one of the biggest oxymorons in the English language is "amicable divorce."

If the biggest cause of marital disputes is money then settling on rules (i.e. strong prenup, separate accounts) before signing the license should lower the risk--or at least make that fight much easier to handle.

/And if they maintain separate accounts while owning up to their bill responsibilities how can anyone be "hiding money"?

Theaetetus: Dougie AXP: My girlfriend is actually ok with my views on money and my desire to have a strict prenup before gettin married. I may have found a keeper.

She has a college degree, I have a college degree both are able to provide for ourselves. If we get married and have a prenup, household bills (mortgage, utilities etc) will be split via a percentage of the total combined gross income. i.e. I make 75% of the household income I pay 75% of the combined bills. Anything left is mine and goes into my personal accounts. Likewise she contributes 25% and keeps the rest. She keeps her personal cash, her 401k etc and she is not entitled to any of my personal assets nor am I entitled to hers. Any child support and custody would be left up to the courts. But there would be no spousal support or alimony.

She was on board with that and I let her know I was dead serious. So we'll see how this works out.

Brilliant. And when she takes time off to care for the kid, you'll also take the exact same time off. She leaves at 5 on a Friday, you leave at 5 on that same Friday, right?
Oh, wait, doesn't quite work that way? More than 50% of the time caring for and raising the child will come from her pool?

In short, your plan works great if there are no kids. If there are kids, then your plan is woefully naive and ignores reality.

I'm just dong some sleepy 11 PM thinking here, but would it be too callous to put an actual figure on the "value" of being a stay-at-home parent in a marriage agreement? NOT 50%, but maybe something like 40% of the money the working half makes effective after the kid is born? After all, the working half isn't just a money-making machine. He or she will be doing some parenting along with the work.

Of course, with more and more families having the mom and dad both working, such a hypothetical is less useful. Maybe if one half has to take only part-time work his/her "share" of the divorce agreement bumps down to 25%? And if the mom just takes time off for maternity leave then she shouldn't be entitled to anything more than original agreement. Our nation should really have more comprehensive maternity leave protections in place, but that's another thread.

Bottom line: it's 2012. We should be mature enough to have a very real conversation about marriage, money, and divorce. "50/50-split-in-all-circumstances-because-love" is childish reasoning. Make some decisions, dammit.

/Probably just pissed off a lot of stay-at-home moms now.
//Fark it, I'm not planning on getting married any time soon.

The Great EZE: Theaetetus: Dougie AXP: My girlfriend is actually ok with my views on money and my desire to have a strict prenup before gettin married. I may have found a keeper.

She has a college degree, I have a college degree both are able to provide for ourselves. If we get married and have a prenup, household bills (mortgage, utilities etc) will be split via a percentage of the total combined gross income. i.e. I make 75% of the household income I pay 75% of the combined bills. Anything left is mine and goes into my personal accounts. Likewise she contributes 25% and keeps the rest. She keeps her personal cash, her 401k etc and she is not entitled to any of my personal assets nor am I entitled to hers. Any child support and custody would be left up to the courts. But there would be no spousal support or alimony.

She was on board with that and I let her know I was dead serious. So we'll see how this works out.

Brilliant. And when she takes time off to care for the kid, you'll also take the exact same time off. She leaves at 5 on a Friday, you leave at 5 on that same Friday, right?
Oh, wait, doesn't quite work that way? More than 50% of the time caring for and raising the child will come from her pool?

In short, your plan works great if there are no kids. If there are kids, then your plan is woefully naive and ignores reality.

I'm just dong some sleepy 11 PM thinking here, but would it be too callous to put an actual figure on the "value" of being a stay-at-home parent in a marriage agreement? NOT 50%, but maybe something like 40% of the money the working half makes effective after the kid is born? After all, the working half isn't just a money-making machine. He or she will be doing some parenting along with the work.

Of course, with more and more families having the mom and dad both working, such a hypothetical is less useful. Maybe if one half has to take only part-time work his/her "share" of the divorce agreement bumps down to 25%? And if the mom just takes time off for maternity leave then she shouldn't be entitled to anything more than original agreement. Our nation should really have more comprehensive maternity leave protections in place, but that's another thread.

Bottom line: it's 2012. We should be mature enough to have a very real conversation about marriage, money, and divorce. "50/50-split-in-all-circumstances-because-love" is childish reasoning. Make some decisions, dammit.

/Probably just pissed off a lot of stay-at-home moms now.
//Fark it, I'm not planning on getting married any time soon.

I agree but 40% is am underestimate. Further we need to take into account life. Sickness, disability with spouses and family, temporary loss of employment, familial job sharing... It's still to up in the air.

There is a reason women and children hog the poverty level and it's not by choice. If my husband left me and laws were not in place we would be farked.