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2012-04-07 10:48:11 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.


Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.
 
2012-04-07 10:48:40 PM  

Killer Cars: Mrtraveler01: digitalpirate: The fact that there are no bumper stickers for their "cause" is evidence.

Guess where you live doesn't have these ads plastered all over TV, radio, newspapers then

Link

You can be Mormon AND ride motorcycles!!!

FWIW, the Mormons I've known have always been more....normal, compared to the " crystal-clean house, perfectly kept lawn, smiling family with perfect teeth and all wearing pressed, collared shirts and always unfailingly-to-the-point-of-creepy nice" stereotype that seems to persist about them.

Maybe they're more like the stereotype in Utah, and that helped fuel the idea behind the marketing campaign of "no, really! We do other things then dress formal and go to church!!"


Well that ad campaign was timed to be released the same time The Book of Mormon hit Broadway.

So take from that what you will.
 
2012-04-07 10:52:24 PM  
If you're homosexual, and know it before you apply for college, what's the draw of attending a school that you know will marginalize you? BYU, Oral Roberts, Liberty, or pretty much any school run by or steeped in the values of a religious order?

Being gay and being religious don't have to be mutually exclusive, but it seems that many if not most religion-based schools have inclinations towards fundie principles. Wouldn't it be easier to attend a public or secular private institution and still be able to stay involved with your faith at the campus church/temple than to throw yourself right into the judgmental hornet's nest of a school whose fundamental reason for existing is to provide an education through the filter of the religion's dogma?
 
2012-04-07 10:53:31 PM  

coco ebert: That's the problem with the whole "It gets better" campaign. It often doesn't.


So we should just tell them to kill themselves instead?
 
2012-04-07 10:53:54 PM  

Johnny Savage: Krieghund: Johnny Savage: It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Yeah, because it's so easy for a kid that has been told his entire life that being gay is evil to accept that he's gay.
/sarcasm

Fortunately, eventually most gay kids come to realize that they aren't in fact evil for wanting to have same-sex sex. And their lives improve.

Now, if only there was some way older people who went through the same thing could communicate this to kids. Some kind of campaign.


So... if you're gay... you need a campaign to convince you that it's cool to be gay? a campaign to counter the argument that gay people are wicked and going to hell is quite useful, especially when we hear story after story about gay kids killing themselves because their will to live is being broken.

Sounds like indoctrination. I'm an idiot.
 
2012-04-07 10:56:07 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.


It will. There's a sea change happening now with LGBT acceptance. Some people are fighting it, loudly, but history will treat them the same as those who fought for segregation. And now we have a black president. Stay tuned...
 
2012-04-07 10:56:23 PM  

Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.


Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".
 
2012-04-07 10:57:53 PM  

digitalpirate: runnenat: "74% of LGBT students at BYU have contemplated suicide. 24% have attempted sucide."

=[

This was hard to watch for me, I'm glad it got better at the end.

/pun not intended

Utah has the highest suicide rate in the US except for Alaska. It also consumes more antidepressants. It is also the home of the LDS church. This is not a coincidence.


Alaska is higher due to the prolonged darkness of winter and the horrible living conditions in the native villages. Thanks, missionaries, for destroying a culture that lasted for thousands of years and replacing it with a culture steeped in guilt and misery. We're all very happy about that. You pieces of shiat.
 
2012-04-07 10:59:21 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.

Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".


There's nothing wrong with you. And I'm a Farker and a Mormon.
 
2012-04-07 11:00:16 PM  
TuteTibiImperes: Wouldn't it be easier to attend a public or secular private institution and still be able to stay involved with your faith at the campus church/temple than to throw yourself right into the judgmental hornet's nest of a school whose fundamental reason for existing is to provide an education through the filter of the religion's dogma?

There are sometimes appearances to maintain, plus location and program issues, etc.. Not all schools are the same, and not all schools appear the same to all people. Plus, I imagine the folks making this are confident about themselves and would rather not compromise religion, family, or person simply for the ease.

Marshall Willenholly: So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

My students have begun to admonish one another for using "gay" in a negative tone without input from me. Things are always getting better.
 
2012-04-07 11:01:11 PM  

I_Hate_Iowa: Johnny Savage: Krieghund: Johnny Savage: It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Yeah, because it's so easy for a kid that has been told his entire life that being gay is evil to accept that he's gay.
/sarcasm

Fortunately, eventually most gay kids come to realize that they aren't in fact evil for wanting to have same-sex sex. And their lives improve.

Now, if only there was some way older people who went through the same thing could communicate this to kids. Some kind of campaign.

So... if you're gay... you need a campaign to convince you that it's cool to be gay? a campaign to counter the argument that gay people are wicked and going to hell is quite useful, especially when we hear story after story about gay kids killing themselves because their will to live is being broken.

Sounds like indoctrination. I'm an idiot.


You're right. No child has ever, in the history of mankind, had to overcome the teachings/doctrines of their parents until this whole 'gay' thing came around.
 
2012-04-07 11:01:55 PM  

Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'. It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.


This was sarcasm, right? I can't even tell anymore.
 
2012-04-07 11:06:52 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.

Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".


Cool. I was just asking. I had a good friend that was enticed (his words) into the community after college. He was miserable until he 'came out' to his friends that he wasn't gay. He married a chick about 5 years ago.

/Aint no drama like Atlanta restaurant drama.
 
2012-04-07 11:12:35 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Are we still blaming Mormons for Prop 8 passing in California?

Even when the largest percentage of support came from the black and hispanic community.....



Yes, because Blacks and Hispanics cannot, by nature, be bigoted and homophobic.

Unless you want to lose a lot of Democratic votes.

Catholics and Mormons, on the other hand....
 
2012-04-07 11:14:39 PM  
News flash: No one's life gets better until they finally figure that they can change themselves to fit the world and culture they live in.
 
2012-04-07 11:16:07 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.

Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".


Lift weights and beat them up. That will be the most humiliating thing that will ever happen to them. They'll prob kill themselves
 
2012-04-07 11:21:22 PM  

coco ebert: That's the problem with the whole "It gets better" campaign. It often doesn't.


It does, or it can, but it means having to leave narrow minded zealots behind. "It gets better" is predicated on the idea that after the teenage years a person has the freedom to leave the social/religious community they are in for a more open-minded one.

Going to freaking BYU and expecting a LBGT tolerant experience is somewhere between clueless and outright idiotic. Expecting the LDS Church to be accepting if you come out is as foolish.

State universities are usually better, especially in states that have anti-discrimination laws against LBGT persons. Want the full "It gets better"? Don't go to a religious school. Go to a nice secular State University (or a Liberal Arts college if that college has strong diversity policies) in a state with strong LBGT protections and and an active LBGT student population, preferably in a city with a local subculture to match. Make new friends, find a faith that will accept you and you can agree with, don't feel too many regrets about the people who you used to call friend who now hate you because of who you were born to be.

I had a Mormon friend who was basically disowned by his family for just getting engaged to a Unitarian and openly declaring that he was a Liberal (now is big into the Occupy movement). He never renounced his faith, but his politics and choice of bride basically meant he burned a lot of bridges back home.
 
2012-04-07 11:21:32 PM  
Thisbymaster

News flash: No one's life gets better until they finally figure that they can change themselves to fit the world and culture they live in.


Or mom kicks them out of the basement.
 
2012-04-07 11:22:24 PM  
And walking on the hill side Jesus turned to Mark and said " Dude quit being such a dick , someones sexual orientation is only important if you are trying to have sex with them other then that they can be just as good Christians or parents or teachers as the next person ..also maybe if you have been drinking and going to have a threesome just to avoid that whole UFIA thing but really thats it , you should be thinking more about how you are leading your own life and worry less about others..... .... speaking of drinking did I ever tell you the time i got so hammered in Jerusalem I woke up in a cave three days later, true story "
 
2012-04-07 11:22:30 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Marshall Willenholly: Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.

Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".

Lift weights and beat them up. That will be the most humiliating thing that will ever happen to them. They'll prob kill themselves


Everyone wins!!!
 
2012-04-07 11:22:44 PM  

Killer Cars: Mrtraveler01: digitalpirate: The fact that there are no bumper stickers for their "cause" is evidence.

Guess where you live doesn't have these ads plastered all over TV, radio, newspapers then

Link

You can be Mormon AND ride motorcycles!!!

FWIW, the Mormons I've known have always been more....normal, compared to the " crystal-clean house, perfectly kept lawn, smiling family with perfect teeth and all wearing pressed, collared shirts and always unfailingly-to-the-point-of-creepy nice" stereotype that seems to persist about them.

Maybe they're more like the stereotype in Utah, and that helped fuel the idea behind the marketing campaign of "no, really! We do other things then dress formal and go to church!!"


In my experience, Mormons born and raised outside of Utah are "normal", for lack of a better term. They don't wear their religion on their sleeve like Utah Mormons do. I've lived in Utah most of my life, the stereotype you mentioned is fairly true outside of SLC, at least from my perspective. And honestly, I can't imagine any gay person wanting to go to BYU. I hear plenty of "hate the sin, love the sinner" out of one side of the mouth and a stream of pejorative talk out the other here.
 
2012-04-07 11:23:31 PM  
Best thing I ever did for my sanity was leave the Mormon Church. It DOES get better. You've got some serious issues if you can't let go of a group of people who treat you like shiat.
 
2012-04-07 11:27:21 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Yeah, nothing gay here.
 
2012-04-07 11:31:01 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Are we still blaming Mormons for Prop 8 passing in California?

Even when the largest percentage of support came from the black and hispanic community.....

Sounds like a Mormon bashing thread (although their stance on LGBT is quite archaic)


Well . . .

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,[55][56][57] whose members are commonly known as Mormons, also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to "do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time."[55] Local church leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership-sometimes quite specific-to fulfill this call.[58][59] The response of church members to their leadership's appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[60] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[61] About 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[62] ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers for early door-to-door canvassing.[63] The The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the support of the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to support the Proposition.[64]


Edison/Mitofsky conducted an exit poll on behalf of the National Election Pool which is the only source of data on voter demographics in California in the 2008 election.[159][160] The statistical trends from the exit poll of 2,240 voters suggested that an array of voters came out both in opposition to and in support of Proposition 8, with no single demographic group making up most of either the Yes or No vote. The initial analysis showed that support for Proposition 8 was strong amongst African American voters, interviewed in the exit poll with 70% in favor, more than any other racial group.[161] Subsequent analysis showed black support at only 58%, still above the 52% support received by all voters.

Population of

* 57.6% White (40.1% Non-Hispanic White)
* 13.0% Asian (3.2% Chinese, 3.2% Filipino, 1.6% Vietnamese, 1.4% Indian, 1.2% Korean, 0.7% Japanese, 0.2% Hmong, 0.2% Cambodian, 0.2% Laotian, 0.1% Thai, 0.1% Pakistani)
* 6.2% Black or African American
* 1.0% Native American
* 4.9% Multiracial (1.3% White and "Some Other Race", 1.2% White and Asian, 0.6% White and Native American, 0.5% White and Black, 1.3% Other)
* 0.4% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander (0.1% Samoan, 0.1% Guamanian or Chamorro, 0.1% Native Hawaiian, 0.2% "Other Pacific Islander")
* 37.6% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race) (30.7% Mexican, 1.5% Salvadoran, 0.9% Guatemalan, 0.5% Puerto Rican, 0.3% Nicaraguan, 0.2% Honduran, 0.2% Cuban, 0.2% Colombian, 0.2% Peruvian)
 
2012-04-07 11:33:27 PM  

Johnny Savage: I had a good friend that was enticed (his words) into the community after college. He was miserable until he 'came out' to his friends that he wasn't gay. He married a chick about 5 years ago.


A HA! I KNEW IT! The Moral Majority was right! I've heard of these roving
bands of homosexuals indoctrinating our youth with their gayness.

/but seriously, that is extremely odd. Never heard of that before.
I have so many questions.....
 
2012-04-07 11:38:29 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior:
Sounds like a Mormon bashing thread (although their stance on LGBT is quite archaic)


They basically bring it on themselves. They were founded in rural 19th century America, and have those cultural values hard-coded into their belief system.

They didn't even allow persons of African descent to be ordained until 1978, because it was official doctrine that dark skin was the mark of Cain.

They essentially built a Church on the social values like saying women were second class citizens (and for a few decades endorsed polygamy to the point of saying you had to have multiple wives to get into the best afterlife), black people were inherently inferior and LBGT people are inherently wrong . . .so the are going to make some enemies in the process.
 
2012-04-07 11:39:05 PM  

LeroyBourne: Life got better for my cousin, he's so cool, dresses sharp, and razor wit. If you could picture him and his partner, he's the flamboyant one, and his partner is quiet and reserved. And what do they do for a living? The raise and show pure-bred dogs. It's basically 'life imitating art' for 'Best in Show.'


Off topic but when I retire (In like 30 years if I can get a government job) I want to breed dogs. But only breed a few pure breeds for money. Mostly I would experiment the crap out of different dogs. Breed all the different species to see what happens. Mainly to piss off the Kennel Club.
/Straight but hey, I have to have plans.
 
2012-04-07 11:39:11 PM  

Lipspinach: Johnny Savage: I had a good friend that was enticed (his words) into the community after college. He was miserable until he 'came out' to his friends that he wasn't gay. He married a chick about 5 years ago.

A HA! I KNEW IT! The Moral Majority was right! I've heard of these roving
bands of homosexuals indoctrinating our youth with their gayness.

/but seriously, that is extremely odd. Never heard of that before.
I have so many questions.....


Yeah, the only type of people that I've heard of in this situation are people like Marcus Bachman.

And that guy definitely doesn't scream hetero.
 
2012-04-07 11:39:33 PM  

SpookyEyes: In my experience, Mormons born and raised outside of Utah are "normal", for lack of a better term. They don't wear their religion on their sleeve like Utah Mormons do


One of the bigger potheads in my general circle of friends during high school was a Mormon. Nowadays, three doors down from me is a Mormon family, and the husband/father has two bikes he's constantly tinkering with and certainly riding.

Every time those "I'm a Mormon" commercials come on, I'm tempted to go over their house and act all weird. "Cool! I didn't know Mormons use ketchup on things! Oh, and you have microwaves and toaster ovens? Do you use them for, like, food?"
 
2012-04-07 11:45:56 PM  

Lipspinach: Johnny Savage: I had a good friend that was enticed (his words) into the community after college. He was miserable until he 'came out' to his friends that he wasn't gay. He married a chick about 5 years ago.

A HA! I KNEW IT! The Moral Majority was right! I've heard of these roving
bands of homosexuals indoctrinating our youth with their gayness.

/but seriously, that is extremely odd. Never heard of that before.
I have so many questions.....


I knew him two years as a gay man before he switched teams.

Interesting, though. I'm sure you would advocate that it's possible for a gay man to live life miserably as a straight man (In the closet). But, it's impossible for a straight man to live life miserably as a gay man.

It sounds like you don't believe that gays are equal to straights. Why do you hate gay folk?
 
2012-04-07 11:48:21 PM  

Vangor: TuteTibiImperes: Wouldn't it be easier to attend a public or secular private institution and still be able to stay involved with your faith at the campus church/temple than to throw yourself right into the judgmental hornet's nest of a school whose fundamental reason for existing is to provide an education through the filter of the religion's dogma?

There are sometimes appearances to maintain, plus location and program issues, etc.. Not all schools are the same, and not all schools appear the same to all people. Plus, I imagine the folks making this are confident about themselves and would rather not compromise religion, family, or person simply for the ease.


My brother's freshman roommate went to Liberty because he thought it would make him straight. Other gay kids go to religious schools because it's the only thing their parents will pay for, or because that's where their friends are going, or because they like the school and think that they can stick it out in the closet for four years, or because at the time they start college they're still in denial about who they are.

But, as evidence that the world is changing, one of my brother's other roommates from Liberty is now playing one of the Warbler's on Glee.
 
2012-04-07 11:51:02 PM  

Killer Cars: Every time those "I'm a Mormon" commercials come on, I'm tempted to go over their house and act all weird. "Cool! I didn't know Mormons use ketchup on things! Oh, and you have microwaves and toaster ovens? Do you use them for, like, food?"


Can... can I touch your Mormon clothes?
 
2012-04-07 11:52:03 PM  
There's nothing unusual about being married closeted and gay. Look at the governor, Jim McGreevey, from New Jersery who hired his boyfriend to run the state homeland security antiterrorism program or Senator Huffington who was married to Ariana Huffington who can turn any straight man into a mincing gay one with a single glance with her left wing, Medusan like charms.

images.askmen.com
 
2012-04-07 11:53:26 PM  

Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'.

It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.


Not sure if serious, but, uh, yeah, you do sometimes have a hard time.

Here's an experiment for you: pretend to be openly gay for six months. Tell your family you're gay. "Come out" to all your friends. Wear t-shirts that announce to the world that you're gay. Date only members of the same sex (you don't have to do more than go on dates and hold their hands). Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend (or girlfriend, if you're a woman). Be very, very publicly open about your pretend-homosexuality for those six months.

Do this for six months, then come back and tell us all about how easy it is.
 
2012-04-07 11:54:35 PM  

Johnny Savage: Lipspinach: Johnny Savage: I had a good friend that was enticed (his words) into the community after college. He was miserable until he 'came out' to his friends that he wasn't gay. He married a chick about 5 years ago.

A HA! I KNEW IT! The Moral Majority was right! I've heard of these roving
bands of homosexuals indoctrinating our youth with their gayness.

/but seriously, that is extremely odd. Never heard of that before.
I have so many questions.....

I knew him two years as a gay man before he switched teams.

Interesting, though. I'm sure you would advocate that it's possible for a gay man to live life miserably as a straight man (In the closet). But, it's impossible for a straight man to live life miserably as a gay man.

It sounds like you don't believe that gays are equal to straights. Why do you hate gay folk?


Um, I think you're forgetting a letter of LGBT.. You're friend is probably bi otherwise well he wouldn't have been with other men. Or your story is just that a story : )
 
2012-04-07 11:55:04 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.

Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".


So why do you hang out with intolerant close-minded farkers? Tell them to piss off and find new friends. If they're your family, tell them to piss off, too. You're in control of your own future, your own happiness in life. You want it to get better? Make it better.
 
2012-04-07 11:56:37 PM  

Killer Cars: FWIW, the Mormons I've known have always been more....normal, compared to the " crystal-clean house, perfectly kept lawn, smiling family with perfect teeth and all wearing pressed, collared shirts and always unfailingly-to-the-point-of-creepy nice" stereotype that seems to persist about them.

Maybe they're more like the stereotype in Utah, and that helped fuel the idea behind the marketing campaign of "no, really! We do other things then dress formal and go to church!!"


I grew up Mormon in Utah. Since leaving the church and moving away 20 years ago I have seen a huge difference between the competitive intolerance in small, Mormon communities in the comfort of Utah and the Mormons most of the rest of the country knows.

The Utah Mormon is an especially unknown entity. They have one face shown in like company and another for public consumption. When you're half and half, like I am, you get to see the worst of both faces. They'll say shiat to other Mormons that is strictly forbidden in mixed company.

Watching this video it was difficult to not simply dismiss them for not abandoning a faith that makes them the enemy. But they actually won me over by the end. For some people, I think, sexual orientation rivals only religious upbringing as one of the things they can't change about themselves.
 
2012-04-08 12:02:17 AM  
So much pain. So much suffering caused because our society makes these people feel awful because they are sexually attracted to members of their own sex.

We live in dumb times.
 
2012-04-08 12:02:48 AM  

ciberido: Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'.

It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Not sure if serious, but, uh, yeah, you do sometimes have a hard time.

Here's an experiment for you: pretend to be openly gay for six months. Tell your family you're gay. "Come out" to all your friends. Wear t-shirts that announce to the world that you're gay. Date only members of the same sex (you don't have to do more than go on dates and hold their hands). Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend (or girlfriend, if you're a woman). Be very, very publicly open about your pretend-homosexuality for those six months.

Do this for six months, then come back and tell us all about how easy it is.


/blah blah blah

Try the same thing as a:

Mormon
Southern Baptist in the north
Muslim
Orthodox Jew
Mennonite
Fundamentalist Baptist
Moonie
Interracial couple
Hindi
et cetera
et cetera
et cetera

If you differ at all from the mean, you will be scrutinized. Get over it.
 
2012-04-08 12:04:10 AM  
For those of you who are not LDS- why the hell would you ever move to Utah?
 
2012-04-08 12:04:43 AM  

ciberido: Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'.

It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Not sure if serious, but, uh, yeah, you do sometimes have a hard time.

Here's an experiment for you: pretend to be openly gay for six months. Tell your family you're gay. "Come out" to all your friends. Wear t-shirts that announce to the world that you're gay. Date only members of the same sex (you don't have to do more than go on dates and hold their hands). Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend (or girlfriend, if you're a woman). Be very, very publicly open about your pretend-homosexuality for those six months.

Do this for six months, then come back and tell us all about how easy it is.


This response I love it.
/So favorited : )
 
2012-04-08 12:06:00 AM  
And yahoo is apparently eating comments. Go figure, something yahoo not working right.
 
2012-04-08 12:06:15 AM  

Molavian: Marshall Willenholly: Johnny Savage: Marshall Willenholly: As a member of the LGBT community, I have to tell myself several times a day that hopefully things will get better. Otherwise I end up in a downward spiral of depression that doesn't end well. So any time someone else comes along and says that it will (probably) get better, I very much appreciate it.

Have you considered the possibility that you are miserable because you are not LGBT? I don't know you, so I'm just asking.

Um,no, I am most definitely LGBT. I'm miserable because intolerant close-minded farkers like to make me feel like there's something wrong with me because I'm not "normal".

So why do you hang out with intolerant close-minded farkers? Tell them to piss off and find new friends. If they're your family, tell them to piss off, too. You're in control of your own future, your own happiness in life. You want it to get better? Make it better.


Well said. I told my family to piss off because they didn't care for my Catholic wife. After they unbunched their panties, they got over it. I didn't find much use in stewing over the fact that they didn't like/understand Catholics.
 
2012-04-08 12:08:39 AM  
don't worry, be happy

geneticists and endocrinists

have promised a cure!!!

your choice will then be truly personal

you're loved anyway,

now knock it off
 
2012-04-08 12:09:01 AM  

Johnny Savage: ciberido: Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'.

It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Not sure if serious, but, uh, yeah, you do sometimes have a hard time.

Here's an experiment for you: pretend to be openly gay for six months. Tell your family you're gay. "Come out" to all your friends. Wear t-shirts that announce to the world that you're gay. Date only members of the same sex (you don't have to do more than go on dates and hold their hands). Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend (or girlfriend, if you're a woman). Be very, very publicly open about your pretend-homosexuality for those six months.

Do this for six months, then come back and tell us all about how easy it is.

/blah blah blah

Try the same thing as a:

Mormon
Southern Baptist in the north
Muslim
Orthodox Jew
Mennonite
Fundamentalist Baptist
Moonie
Interracial couple
Hindi
et cetera
et cetera
et cetera

If you differ at all from the mean, you will be scrutinized. Get over it.


I've been Southern Baptist in the north, and I've had people tell me that my Mennonite ancestor who got beheaded by Calvinists in 17th century Switzerland was probably crazy and asking for it, and it's a heck of a lot different than my experience being openly gay.

The only thing that might be comparable, as far as facing not only ostracism from society but also from your own family is the experience of interracial couples.
 
2012-04-08 12:10:19 AM  

Johnny Savage: ciberido: Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'.

It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Not sure if serious, but, uh, yeah, you do sometimes have a hard time.

Here's an experiment for you: pretend to be openly gay for six months. Tell your family you're gay. "Come out" to all your friends. Wear t-shirts that announce to the world that you're gay. Date only members of the same sex (you don't have to do more than go on dates and hold their hands). Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend (or girlfriend, if you're a woman). Be very, very publicly open about your pretend-homosexuality for those six months.

Do this for six months, then come back and tell us all about how easy it is.

/blah blah blah

Try the same thing as a:

Mormon
Southern Baptist in the north
Muslim
Orthodox Jew
Mennonite
Fundamentalist Baptist
Moonie
Interracial couple
Hindi
et cetera
et cetera
et cetera

If you differ at all from the mean, you will be scrutinized. Get over it.


Seriously? You're trying to say that being gay is as socially deviant as being religious?

Get the fark out of here with your stupidity.
 
2012-04-08 12:13:05 AM  

Johnny Savage: If you differ at all from the mean, you will be scrutinized. Get over it.


How about instead of just "get over it", how about doing something that will minimize how much people will be scrutinized about it in the future?

What's the big deal? Also, why is this worth biatching about?
 
2012-04-08 12:13:40 AM  

digitalpirate: Mrtraveler01: digitalpirate:

I live in Utah so maybe Mormons don't waste money trying to convert their own. I know a Mormon missionary has never come to my door, but Jehova's Witnesses stop by every other week.


Here in West Valley City, there are lots of Lamanites who were Cursed By God With A Dark Skin. So the missionaries pester us.

/Speaking Spanish with the Gringo Mishy and watching the Latino mishy try to avoid laughing at us, FTW!
//No, I'm not in a gang; even though I live in West Valley.
 
2012-04-08 12:14:34 AM  

rynthetyn: Johnny Savage: ciberido: Johnny Savage: The problem with the campaign is that the vast majority of people (in general) don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is. It is even more pronounced amongst the people with whom you will associate upon 'coming out'.

It's pedantic biatching. If you're gay, be gay. It's not like you will have a hard time finding folks who will accept you.

Not sure if serious, but, uh, yeah, you do sometimes have a hard time.

Here's an experiment for you: pretend to be openly gay for six months. Tell your family you're gay. "Come out" to all your friends. Wear t-shirts that announce to the world that you're gay. Date only members of the same sex (you don't have to do more than go on dates and hold their hands). Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend (or girlfriend, if you're a woman). Be very, very publicly open about your pretend-homosexuality for those six months.

Do this for six months, then come back and tell us all about how easy it is.

/blah blah blah

Try the same thing as a:

Mormon
Southern Baptist in the north
Muslim
Orthodox Jew
Mennonite
Fundamentalist Baptist
Moonie
Interracial couple
Hindi
et cetera
et cetera
et cetera

If you differ at all from the mean, you will be scrutinized. Get over it.

I've been Southern Baptist in the north, and I've had people tell me that my Mennonite ancestor who got beheaded by Calvinists in 17th century Switzerland was probably crazy and asking for it, and it's a heck of a lot different than my experience being openly gay.

The only thing that might be comparable, as far as facing not only ostracism from society but also from your own family is the experience of interracial couples.


I think you dismiss lightly some of the ostracism experienced by those groups, but the point is still the same. It's your life. You must live it as you choose.
 
2012-04-08 12:15:39 AM  

Johnny Savage: I think you dismiss lightly some of the ostracism experienced by those groups, but the point is still the same. It's your life. You must live it as you choose.


Except it's not a farking choice who you become sexually attracted to.
 
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