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(Newser)   I don't know what the hell a Phyllis Schlafly is, but she is telling young men "Don't date feminists", even though "some of them are pretty"   (newser.com) divider line 251
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2012-04-08 12:32:12 AM

pendy575: do colleges allow female only scholarships? How about male only scholarships?

There is your answer.


Let me google that for you
 
2012-04-08 12:34:37 AM
fark you Phyllis, I'm going to marry one.

You lose.
 
2012-04-08 12:46:52 AM

Rincewind53: It's as if you can't understand that some people legitimately believe that feminism is useful and still necessary.


Similarly though, you basically told Ringshadow that her beliefs about feminism are ignorant, negating her experiences with your more satisfying male enlightened mansplaining view:

I am genuinely sorry that you don't recognize how much feminism has helped you, and continues to. See, the law that even would make it possible for you to sue if your company didn't pay everyone at your experience level the same wasn't passed until 2009. And the reason that you're paid the same, and you have a lot of coworkers? Well, that was mostly feminism too.

You've been the beneficiary of feminism, and it's sad that the political pushback against the concept has made you avoid investigating it. That's all I have to say.


So let's see,

Ringshadow fails to recognize what you recognize.
Ringshadow is ignorant of basic facts about the law governing equal pay
Ringshadow is not sufficiently appreciative of what other feminists and especially you have done for her.

and worse

Ringshadow's views are not her own developed sincerely by her from her experiences and wisdom, but they are views she takes as a result of political pushback

Now I dunno, it's probably just me, but I would say you are:

1) mansplaining
2) condescending
3) patriarchal
4) patronizing
5) dehumanizing
6) rude

Ringshadow, who after all is not just a college graduate but a nuclear technician and I am quite confident fully a rational and effective agent in her life and neither ignorant nor easily swayed by others due to political pushback. I am quite confident that other women that reject all or some aspects of feminism whether they are housewives, lawyers, waitresses, hookers, doctors, secretary of state, senators, congresscritters, mayors, governors, mothers, teachers, etc., are also rational and effective and knowledgeable actors.

This seems to be a common attitude amongst various feminists and liberals, but not all, that if the defend some group X, members of that group X that disagree they need help are misinformed, ignorant, or worse, traitors.

Kind of a liberal man's burden mashed up with a neat package of dismissal of the viewpoints of others, don't you think?

It might be something you wish to consider before you mansplain to us again.
 
2012-04-08 12:50:30 AM
Phyllis go back into the kitchen and bake me some cookies.
 
2012-04-08 12:51:35 AM

PlatinumDragon: fark you Phyllis, I'm going to marry one.

You lose.


Personally I think that's terrific.

I do recommend you do this in a state where the father has a rebuttable presumption of 50/50 joint shared legal AND physical custody of your children. Not because your future wife is a feminist, but do to continued sexism in the courts, and legislature. You may ask your future wife what her thoughts are about what happens to kids in a breakup prior to your getting married.
 
2012-04-08 12:53:12 AM
You call that a headline? This is a headline:

PHYLLIS SHAEFFER IS MASSIVE BULL LESBIAN.
Gets kicks from "pretty" feminists.

Tells Citadel soldiers to leave the liberal chicksto her,
go back to locker room homoerotic horseplay

New York Pus
 
2012-04-08 12:53:25 AM

Kimothy: Is this the same Phyllis Schafly that hired a legion of nannies and assistants so she could go on tour and tell women they needed to stay home and take care of their kids, avoid working, and be subordinate to their husbands? That Phyllis Schafly?


//The hypocrisy is strong with this one.


you forgot to mention her gay son
 
2012-04-08 01:07:17 AM

bunner: batcookie: HOW is this horrid biatch not dead yet?! It wasn't enough that you single handedly killed the ERA, now you're STILL trying to make sure your fellow women stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen?! Wtf is wrong with this woman?!

Any woman, who upon hearing this little screed, would immediately divest herself of her footwear, get knocked up by anybody who asks and occupy herself making casseroles is probably going to do something stupid eventually, with or without this Ms. Schlafly's urgings.


And yet she's still there, urging. I wish this woman would piss of some mafioso or something and have her tongue cut out. She's never said one good thing in her career. Granted the women who listened were stupid to do so, but then again The Family probably wouldn't have killed without Manson, and the ERA would have had a MUCH better chance at success if this horrid woman had just died in a fire when she was too young to spread her stupidity like the disease it is. She's the poster child for why abortion can be a GOOD thing - her parents really should have considered it.

/Yes, unreasonable internet hyperbole
//I usually try to avoid it... but I really hate her that much.
 
2012-04-08 01:10:29 AM
I find it ironic that feminists will admit that most women marry up in salary, but then complain that they make less than men for doing a totally different job or dropping out of the workforce for years.

OK, so you want men to have more than you, but men can make more than you.

You say men should get better jobs, but then you put up roadblocks to men getting better jobs.

Go jump off a cliff you farking biatches.
 
2012-04-08 01:14:36 AM
Hmmmm... this thread smells rather bitter.
 
2012-04-08 01:46:17 AM
if the school body did not feel Ms.Schafly was a qualified speaker she would not have been invited to address them. so chew on that, morans.
any heterosexual man in his right mind would not date a feminist, a lesbian or a gay man. nothing baffling about that.
it's sad to see so many deluded individuals. with each passing generation we are further removed from our nature. you people make it easy for government and church to spin your empty heads in tight little circles.
 
2012-04-08 01:47:09 AM
Well subby, you may not know who Phyllis is, but 30 years ago she kicked feminists in the nuts so hard, they're still walking funny in this thread.

And the intervening 30 years have proven her right in that women really didnt need the ERA.
 
2012-04-08 01:54:13 AM

KrispyKritter: if the school body did not feel Ms.Schafly was a qualified speaker she would not have been invited to address them. so chew on that, morans.
any heterosexual man in his right mind would not date a feminist, a lesbian or a gay man. nothing baffling about that.
it's sad to see so many deluded individuals. with each passing generation we are further removed from our nature. you people make it easy for government and church to spin your empty heads in tight little circles.


If you are the same person that has previously posted in other threads about sticking to traditional gender roles because it's "nature": Your "nature" is apparently the nature of a scary, scary person if your entire view on how human beings should behave is based on what they do on Animal Planet. I mean, I could get a gang of my fellow females together and rip your jugular out like a pack of lionesses - afterall, they do the hunting, so it's NATURE! Are you suggesting this is a good course of action? 'Cause I'd be willing to oblige....
 
2012-04-08 03:29:53 AM

lawboy87: Schafly is the original Anne Coulter in a way. She was a lawyer, who publicly belittled women (and their choices) and thought that her opinion was better than any other womans. (She also used to just make stuff up and throw out outrageous comments to troll and attention whore.)

While her one son did grow up to found Conservopedia, another grew up gay. (Probably because Mommy wasn't home to pay enough attention to him - or so the thought process of Schafley's minions stuck in their 1954 mindset would lead one to conclude.)

It used to crack me up that a woman with a law practice, who spent more than half of her time away from home on the job, or delivering speeches and lectures (or fund raising for her derp PAC Eagle Forum) had the unmitigated chutzpah to lecture women on how they needed to adopt the "traditional" family model and stay home with their kids. What was even funnier was that her followers couldn't even see the absolute hypocrisy inherent in her actions.


We had a Kansas Senator who was very much like her.

Link
 
2012-04-08 04:43:22 AM

Javacrucian: Rincewind53: Crosshair: Um, Duh. Feminist is just a nice way of saying "Female Chauvinist". You don't date them for the same reason a black woman probably shouldn't date a Klansman.

Women tend to do some things better, men tend to do other things better. You're never going to get 50/50 everywhere in society for the simple fact that men and women tend to have different priorities and interests. At work, all our field techs are men and all our phone support people are women. Is that because the owner is a sexist, or is it because women tend to have better communications and people skills, and value a predictable schedule over income. While men tend to be willing to work in crawl spaces, tend to be more technically inclined, and more willing to travel out of town for work on a moments notice?

If a woman wants to be a plumber and can succeed in that field then more power to them. If a man wants to be a nurse and can cut it then I'll applaud that. As long as they have to opportunity to try that's all we can and should do.

---------------

And, troll number one steps up to bat. He swings.... and it's a strike!

---------------

I wouldn't call that trolling at all. The genders aren't 50/50 in their abilities like a pie graph cut down the middle. More like yin-yang perhaps. Dunno why anyone would find that offensive. Everyone having the same opportunities is great; everyone having the same abilities is fantasy.


Thank you. You said that much more politely than I would have.
 
2012-04-08 04:59:08 AM
"It's not about access," the right says. "It's about who pays for it."

I love that kind of thing. Step 1: Tip of the spear is "who pays for it." Or rather, "Who pays for this immoral way of subverting God's will as part of the radical socialist homosexual agenda." Keep throwing in things like, "Science proves that condoms don't prevent AIDS, and abortions cause breast cancer." Step 2: Now it's about access.

But until then, keep banging that "this is a manufactured outrage" drum. It's manufactured, all right--but not by the left.
 
2012-04-08 05:14:21 AM
One thing to consider is that Shafly defines "feminist" as any woman who's not content to be barefoot and pregnant and has a job outside the home.
 
2012-04-08 05:48:55 AM

Fart_Machine: taurusowner: I've lived and worked in Ann Arbor and one generally can't go a block without encountering a man hating feminist.


I lived in A^2 for 6 years. There was no man-hating going on there...even the male math grad students were having keggers and getting some on a regular basis. Ann Arbor is crawling with hung over women trying to get to class in the AM. Maybe that's what he's seeing.

And MSU? He's got to be trolling.
 
2012-04-08 06:02:12 AM

Rincewind53: ThrobblefootSpectre: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This thread has enriched my ignore list.

Feminists suck. Especially when you hold the back of their head

/it's a joke, but I know feminists have no sense of humor. Add me to the list. :)

Funny, I'm a feminist, I have a sense of humor. My girlfriend is a feminist, she has a sense of humor. My entire friend group self-identifies as feminists, we have a sense of humor.

But hahaha I get it, I'm supposed to laugh at jokes about raping women in the mouth! So funny!


How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

- THAT'S NOT FUNNY.



ref="http://www.fark.com/comments/7038090/76078113#c76078113" target="_blank">Porous Horace: [www.vicestyle.com image 630x473]

Is that Bill Bailey? Looks just like him.
 
2012-04-08 06:21:29 AM
Why would a feminist WANT to date a man? I thought they had it all together.
 
2012-04-08 06:25:55 AM

KrispyKritter: it's sad to see so many deluded individuals. with each passing generation we are further removed from our nature.


You should have said that to us over a campfire instead of a computer.
 
2012-04-08 06:30:11 AM

brantgoose: You call that a headline? This is a headline:

PHYLLIS SHAEFFER IS MASSIVE BULL LESBIAN.
Gets kicks from "pretty" feminists.

Tells Citadel soldiers to leave the liberal chicksto her,
go back to locker room homoerotic horseplay

New York Pus


Thanks, I just lol'd and threw up in my mouth at the same time.
 
2012-04-08 06:35:07 AM
You most likely wouldn't want to date with anyone that was a feminist unless you were also one. Every little action becomes some abstraction to 'male privilege', every object that has a high height to width ratio becomes phallic and rape is omnipresent. Personal experience becomes the metric of truth, and EVERYTHING is a social construct..

Of course I am wrong though: I am a cisgender, hetero-normative male, but I do happen to know more than enough 'career feminists' as I dub them.
 
2012-04-08 06:36:55 AM
Gender equality is good.

Feminism is not.

Learn the difference, kids. Also, buy your own damned contraception if you want to have sex. If you've failed at life to the point you can't afford the pill or condoms, consider that a lesson in personal responsibility. Life works simply. If you want things, you must earn them yourself. Sex included.
 
2012-04-08 06:37:53 AM

RoyBatty: Similarly though, you basically told Ringshadow that her beliefs about feminism are ignorant, negating her experiences with your more satisfying male enlightened mansplaining view


Oh come on.

I think Ringshadow is the awesome, especially given that I'm another woman in a science/tech field, but Rincewind is replying to the fact that she essentially said up there that she didn't understand feminism and didn't care to look it up:

I'm a girl and I've never understood what exactly "feminism" is, nor had a care to look it up. My philosophy is I'm not sticking up an antenna during a lightning storm. I'm staying the hell out of this one.

Rincewind's 'mansplaining' or whatever you call it was pretty legitimate. I wasn't in the thread and I would have said about the same thing back at Ringshadow, maybe in different wording, but I guess in that case it'd be 'womansplaining' and that makes it all good?

Panties need to be seriously unbunched in this thread. I'm looking at you all.

Somewhere, ol' Phyl is laughing her balls off.
 
2012-04-08 06:38:01 AM

CapnBlues: arasmin: CapnBlues:
i don't think i've ever met any of the second type. Where the hell do you find that kind of woman?

Go to any college and visit the Womyn's Studies department....

4 years undergrad, 6 years grad school. i never met a woman who identified as a feminist and hated men.


Go on a dating site. I was part of the feminist group at the University I went to and I never met a feminist who hated men among them (suspicious maybe) but on dating sites you can find less educated people claiming to be feminists who hate men without any thought behind their beliefs.
 
2012-04-08 06:53:29 AM
At Cal, mid '90s, campus maintenance used these little golf-cart-like vehicles around the grounds. The vehicles had the manufacturer's name, "Cushman," printed on the back. Someone X-ed out the 'man' with Sharpie and wrote "person" on each vehicle.

WTF was the point of that?
 
2012-04-08 06:54:10 AM

Nimnom: You most likely wouldn't want to date with anyone that was a feminist unless you were also one. Every little action becomes some abstraction to 'male privilege', every object that has a high height to width ratio becomes phallic and rape is omnipresent. Personal experience becomes the metric of truth, and EVERYTHING is a social construct..

Of course I am wrong though: I am a cisgender, hetero-normative male, but I do happen to know more than enough 'career feminists' as I dub them.


Can I mention here that when you meet a woman who is "a career feminist" who makes things "some abstraction to male privilege' that you are dating or being friends with a crazy person?

It's frustrating that paranoid people abstract feminism to the behavior of these nutters who would be on meds eventually?

Seriously, I've been friends with women who get into the "nutty feminist" category and if it's not feminism one week it's raw food diets, then fish for a month, with excuses for an abusive partner and other regrettable behavior. Doesn't stop me from being a feminist or agreeing with half the stuff they say in the feminism regard, though.

You people who paint all feminists with the nutter/militant brush are spreading a bunch of crap about feminism based on the fact that you're dating or associating with CRAZY PEOPLE.

That's not a typical feminist's problem. That's YOUR problem. Stop tossing the crazy feminist image on us and get new friends or girlfriends.

Thanks.
- A feminist.

/Who likes men. And married one. And gave birth to one. And is the daughter of one.
//Working as a female faculty member in a physical science field for a while will likely make you take on a more feminist view if you haven't already.
 
2012-04-08 06:54:59 AM

Amishrabbit: At Cal, mid '90s, campus maintenance used these little golf-cart-like vehicles around the grounds. The vehicles had the manufacturer's name, "Cushman," printed on the back. Someone X-ed out the 'man' with Sharpie and wrote "person" on each vehicle.

WTF was the point of that?


Trolling you?
 
2012-04-08 07:10:38 AM

Terrible Old Man: Gender equality is good.

Feminism is not.

Learn the difference, kids. Also, buy your own damned contraception if you want to have sex. If you've failed at life to the point you can't afford the pill or condoms, consider that a lesson in personal responsibility. Life works simply. If you want things, you must earn them yourself. Sex included.


It amazes me that you could stop yelling at clouds long enough to type all that.

/nice onion
 
2012-04-08 08:02:50 AM

Terrible Old Man: Learn the difference, kids. Also, buy your own damned contraception if you want to have sex. If you've failed at life to the point you can't afford the pill or condoms, consider that a lesson in personal responsibility. Life works simply. If you want things, you must earn them yourself. Sex included.


But what about all of the people who cannot access condoms???
 
2012-04-08 08:38:12 AM
"Contraception is not controversial," said the 87-year-old. "The issue is not access. It's who's going to pay for it."

1) Contraception is controversial. Don't make out like it isn't so. That's just disingenuous. The controversy is coming from your side.
2) You're just using your statements to jump on the anti-Obama-care bandwagon. Nothing to do with feminism at all.
 
2012-04-08 08:47:05 AM

Rincewind53: edmo: You youngsters might appreciate that,in her day, she was the derpiest. She was a minority of one. Now she's average/

It's such a shame that the brewery that bears her name (founded by her nephew) is so damn good. I almost don't want to buy their stuff just because of how horrible a person she is. But I do, because they make some damn good beer.


I didn't know there was a "Shriveled Old Coont" brewery...

Hey, that's not a sexist comment - I am just following the biatch's teaching...women aren't people this morning.
 
2012-04-08 08:50:18 AM

Rozinante: I went to school with a pretty militant feminist. She graduated, moved to the south, and married a marine. She's now the perfect baptist housewife.


She's still opening her big mouth, sharing her opinions rather than just agreeing with her husband's, so she's not a "perfect" one...
 
2012-04-08 09:13:48 AM
This is what's so great about "conservatives". They are consistently 40 years behind the curve. On all issues.
 
2012-04-08 09:29:37 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: It amazes me that you could stop yelling at clouds long enough to type all that.


It amazes me that people think that meeting an argument they disagree with by referencing sarcastic cartoon show scripts is blisteringly witty, and surely, smirking ensues.
 
2012-04-08 09:41:17 AM

taurusowner: CapnBlues: taurusowner: CapnBlues: arasmin: CapnBlues:
i don't think i've ever met any of the second type. Where the hell do you find that kind of woman?

Go to any college and visit the Womyn's Studies department....

4 years undergrad, 6 years grad school. i never met a woman who identified as a feminist and hated men.

Holy farking shiat where do you go to school?

state schools.

Touche' salesman. I've lived and worked in Ann Arbor and one generally can't go a block without encountering a man hating feminist. However, I've yet to encounter that when I go up to MSU in East Lansing.


Dude, they don't hate men per se. They just hate you.
 
2012-04-08 09:57:49 AM
But what could be hotter than a night of strained, uncomfortable sex leading to a morning of apologizing for convincing her to let you 'rape' her? So hot!

But don't worry, the pretty ones will most likely sex-up some super wealthy capitalist slime-bag, you know, the kind they say they hate so much.

Feminism, yet ANOTHER way to f**k over hard working men.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-04-08 10:29:22 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Fart_Machine: taurusowner: I've lived and worked in Ann Arbor and one generally can't go a block without encountering a man hating feminist.

I lived in A^2 for 6 years. There was no man-hating going on there...even the male math grad students were having keggers and getting some on a regular basis. Ann Arbor is crawling with hung over women trying to get to class in the AM. Maybe that's what he's seeing.

And MSU? He's got to be trolling.


Man-hating feminist translates into women who won't go out with me.
 
2012-04-08 12:08:53 PM
Been at a small liberal arts school that was 60% women for 3 years and a huge state school for 1. I'm convinced that the "man-hating feminist" is either a complete fiction or a comically small percentage of the feminist population, and I'm being generous even mentioning the latter possibility.

The most "militant" rhetoric I've heard is "hey, wouldn't it be great if there was less sexual assault and objectification in society?"
 
2012-04-08 12:12:39 PM

Tremolo: Been at a small liberal arts school that was 60% women for 3 years and a huge state school for 1. I'm convinced that the "man-hating feminist" is either a complete fiction or a comically small percentage of the feminist population, and I'm being generous even mentioning the latter possibility.

The most "militant" rhetoric I've heard is "hey, wouldn't it be great if there was less sexual assault and objectification in society?"


They exist, I've met some. So what? In any event I doubt that's exactly who Phyllis is gunning for. For one thing, a lot of those sorts won't date a man.
 
2012-04-08 12:53:48 PM
I'd like to see a cage match between her and Twisty (new window) from I Blame the Patriarchy. I'll continue to avoid angry dogmatists of all political persuasions.
 
2012-04-08 12:56:02 PM

bunner: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: It amazes me that you could stop yelling at clouds long enough to type all that.

It amazes me that people think that meeting an argument they disagree with by referencing sarcastic cartoon show scripts is blisteringly witty, and surely, smirking ensues.


Would you like some artisanally-sourced foam with your double latte ironic frappuchino?
 
2012-04-08 02:40:04 PM

taurusowner: CapnBlues: taurusowner: CapnBlues: arasmin: CapnBlues:
i don't think i've ever met any of the second type. Where the hell do you find that kind of woman?

Go to any college and visit the Womyn's Studies department....

4 years undergrad, 6 years grad school. i never met a woman who identified as a feminist and hated men.

Holy farking shiat where do you go to school?

state schools.

Touche' salesman. I've lived and worked in Ann Arbor and one generally can't go a block without encountering a man hating feminist. However, I've yet to encounter that when I go up to MSU in East Lansing.


What? Do you walk down the street wearing a big codpiece or something, then every woman who laughs and points is a "man hating feminist"? Or are you using some weird visual scale?

/not every girl with a short haircut hates men
 
2012-04-08 04:21:39 PM

Tremolo: Been at a small liberal arts school that was 60% women for 3 years and a huge state school for 1. I'm convinced that the "man-hating feminist" is either a complete fiction or a comically small percentage of the feminist population, and I'm being generous even mentioning the latter possibility.

The most "militant" rhetoric I've heard is "hey, wouldn't it be great if there was less sexual assault and objectification in society?"


Rape rape rape... Everything is Raaaaape!
 
2012-04-08 04:49:34 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Would you like some artisanally-sourced foam with your double latte ironic frappuchino?



Nah, jus' gimmie a cuppa coffee.
 
2012-04-08 05:55:06 PM
I'm probably what most people would consider "conservative". Here is my opinion, as a conservative man:

DO date feminists. Feminists are strong-willed, fiesty, and far more willing to perform and ENJOY any kind of nasty sex act than are "proper" women.

/Yes, there will be arguments, but then there's angry sex, afterwards.

//"I hate you! I'm so hot, right now!" isn't just a dream.
 
2012-04-08 07:01:02 PM

Javacrucian: I wouldn't call that trolling at all. The genders aren't 50/50 in their abilities like a pie graph cut down the middle. More like yin-yang perhaps. Dunno why anyone would find that offensive. Everyone having the same opportunities is great; everyone having the same abilities is fantasy.


You know the funny thing about talking about averages is that there'll still be huge numbers of outliers who defy all the generalizations you can apply to the averages, making your statements both true and worthless when applied to individuals.
 
2012-04-08 07:19:08 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: You know the funny thing about talking about averages is that there'll still be huge numbers of outliers who defy all the generalizations you can apply to the averages, making your statements both true and worthless when applied to individuals.


media.screened.com

Agrees.
 
2012-04-08 08:14:40 PM

Terrible Old Man: Gender equality is good.

Feminism is not.

Learn the difference, kids. Also, buy your own damned contraception if you want to have sex. If you've failed at life to the point you can't afford the pill or condoms, consider that a lesson in personal responsibility. Life works simply. If you want things, you must earn them yourself. Sex included.


Let me see if I have this correct:

You'd rather people you consider irresponsible... be more likely to have children??? What, you think having children magically makes everyone responsible?

Why are you willing to increase the chances of children being raised by people who are not prepared for the responsibility? What do you think happens as a result? How do you think this has affected human societies prior to the development of effective contraception?

Do you not think it would be more responsible for people who do not wish to have kids to be encouraged to make use of cheap/free contraception, since abstinence by sheer force of will has proven to be so effective at limiting population growth and unwanted pregnancy throughout history...
 
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