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(CNN)   Thirty years ago, Andy Kaufman battled Jerry "The King" Lawler and even today it is still real to the author dammit. Given all the ruses, the Letterman episode and performance art involved, subby has no clue which tab this goes to   (cnn.com) divider line 116
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2012-04-07 06:01:26 PM
Man on the Moon is a good movie that goes over this.

Sure, the first half part of him being a "comedian" sucks hard, but the second half of him being a wrestler is pretty fun to watch.
 
2012-04-07 06:17:35 PM
I never really found Andy "funny", but damn if he wasn't a comedy genius. When Borat swept around the country I just kept telling people Andy Kaufman already did the bit and, frankly, did it better.
 
2012-04-07 06:30:37 PM
 
2012-04-07 06:43:32 PM
I never really "got" him. This is the part where everyone tells me to go watch my Dane Cook and Carrot Top DVDs.
 
2012-04-07 07:29:51 PM
I really went back and forth when I submitted this. Entertainment tab or sports tab; entertainment tab or sports tab.

Finally, I went with the Entertainment Tab for fun.
YES
YES
YES
YES
But then Vince swerved me to the sports tab
NO
NO
NO
Then I noticed before submitting this that it is on both tabs
DANIEL BRYAN
DANIEL BRYAN
 
2012-04-07 07:30:05 PM
"This...is called SOAP!"
 
2012-04-07 07:31:31 PM

Mugato: I never really "got" him. This is the part where everyone tells me to go watch my Dane Cook and Carrot Top DVDs.


I don't think anyone really "got" him. He was a performance artist who liked his own inside jokes.
 
2012-04-07 07:32:49 PM
Kaufman was a genius, and looking back on what he did is great, but actually watching his performances isn't entertaining.

It's like Abstract expressionism, it was an important art movement that helped change the way we see painting, but nobody can honestly look at one of the paintings and go "yeah, I like that."
 
2012-04-07 07:35:04 PM
Because wrastling is a sport.
 
2012-04-07 07:36:47 PM
Even today, The King and pretty much any other wrestling guy will say that the Kaufman angle was one of the best angles ever done involving a celebrity, because Kaufman got the mindset of wrestling. Hell, Kaufman lived that "gotta work 'em all" kayfabe mindset.

And, it showed when he was working in Memphis.

Unfortunately, that mindset farked him over in Hollywood, where they don't appreciate kayfabe as much.
 
2012-04-07 07:43:07 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Even today, The King and pretty much any other wrestling guy will say that the Kaufman angle was one of the best angles ever done involving a celebrity, because Kaufman got the mindset of wrestling. Hell, Kaufman lived that "gotta work 'em all" kayfabe mindset.

And, it showed when he was working in Memphis.

Unfortunately, that mindset farked him over in Hollywood, where they don't appreciate kayfabe as much.


Your post becomes invalid after the new Three Stooges completely change the course of wrestling.
 
2012-04-07 07:43:57 PM
BAH GAWD, ITS TALKING ABOUT THE KING, SO IT DESERVES TO BE ON BOTH TABS!
 
2012-04-07 07:44:28 PM

TheManofPA: FirstNationalBastard: Even today, The King and pretty much any other wrestling guy will say that the Kaufman angle was one of the best angles ever done involving a celebrity, because Kaufman got the mindset of wrestling. Hell, Kaufman lived that "gotta work 'em all" kayfabe mindset.

And, it showed when he was working in Memphis.

Unfortunately, that mindset farked him over in Hollywood, where they don't appreciate kayfabe as much.

Your post becomes invalid after the new Three Stooges completely change the course of wrestling.


I wish they would get Bret Hart in for a night to smack Will Sasso around again and tell him to quit pretending to be Curly.
 
2012-04-07 07:44:47 PM
Now I got Man on the Moon playing in my head thank subby
 
2012-04-07 07:46:57 PM
The original, and greatest, troll of all time...
 
2012-04-07 07:48:03 PM

eddievercetti: Now I got Man on the Moon playing in my head thank subby


Link (new window)

Take that
 
2012-04-07 07:51:27 PM
Cool seems right subby. That's good enough.
 
2012-04-07 07:51:43 PM

TheManofPA: eddievercetti: Now I got Man on the Moon playing in my head thank subby

Link (new window)

Take that


I see that, and raise you

Jive Soul Bro, with introduction. (new window)

/going to eat my yard bird in peace.
 
2012-04-07 07:52:20 PM
It's mine all mine
 
2012-04-07 07:56:07 PM
I thought he was funny even before the wrestling stuff. "Mighty Mouse" was hilarious.
 
2012-04-07 07:58:44 PM
Watched a clip of the tapes he sent Lawler, and those promos are better than almost every promo I see on Raw today. Of course, if anybody needed any further proof that Andy is, in fact, dead and not faking us all out is the fact that Brock Lesnar walked into a WWE ring last Monday. Up until that moment, it seemed more likely that Andy Kaufman would walk underneath the TitanTron and challenge The King to one more match, with CM Punk and Good Ol' JR on commentary.
 
2012-04-07 08:00:41 PM

4NSpy: It's like Abstract expressionism, it was an important art movement that helped change the way we see painting, but nobody can honestly look at one of the paintings and go "yeah, I like that."


I gotta disagree. I can look at a painting and say that easily.
Matter of fact, I LOVE abstract expressionism.

/seriously
 
2012-04-07 08:01:46 PM
Lawler doesn't have any brains.

He's from Memphis, Tennessee.

All he knows is plowin' the fields and farmin' the farm and bluuuyuyuh.

I'm from Hollywood, California. I have brains, and I want the respect I deserve.

I will sue him.
 
2012-04-07 08:09:27 PM
Good can we discuss how they tried to totally stifle the "YES YES" on smackdown this week?

And how it hopefully won't work?
 
2012-04-07 08:11:43 PM
Good can we discuss how they tried to totally stifle the "YES YES" on smackdown this week?

And how it hopefully won't work?


I noticed the sound editing through the whole show. Expect DB's segment where the yes chants were prominent. They can't shut=up the fans
 
2012-04-07 08:13:05 PM

cman: Man on the Moon is a good movie that goes over this.

Sure, the first half part of him being a "comedian" sucks hard, but the second half of him being a wrestler is pretty fun to watch.


Here's Kaufman's infamous appearance on Letterman with Lawler (someone got hold of the uncensored tape, bless the Internets): Link

And here's the movie version for comparison: Link (new window)
 
2012-04-07 08:15:05 PM
dvdmedia.ign.com
this always makes me chuckle
 
2012-04-07 08:15:54 PM

silgryphon: Good can we discuss how they tried to totally stifle the "YES YES" on smackdown this week?

And how it hopefully won't work?

I noticed the sound editing through the whole show. Expect DB's segment where the yes chants were prominent. They can't shut=up the fans


How long til they start confiscating the "YES!" signs?
 
2012-04-07 08:17:06 PM
Watching the ol documentary about it. Man they did do the whole bit really well. Rofl, at the intergender world champion. i41.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-07 08:20:07 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Even today, The King and pretty much any other wrestling guy will say that the Kaufman angle was one of the best angles ever done involving a celebrity, because Kaufman got the mindset of wrestling. Hell, Kaufman lived that "gotta work 'em all" kayfabe mindset.

And, it showed when he was working in Memphis.

Unfortunately, that mindset farked him over in Hollywood, where they don't appreciate kayfabe as much.


Because, for Hollywood: It's still real to them...

/...dammit?
 
2012-04-07 08:22:02 PM

Smiths: Good can we discuss how they tried to totally stifle the "YES YES" on smackdown this week?

And how it hopefully won't work?


They put out a YES! shirt but man are they trying to ruin DB as best they can. They can't ever just have someone be inspired by the chants? I do love that the crowd taunted AJ as she left over DB.

The one thing working in his favor this week is that both crowds are live so they can't censor as easy (though they could keep him off Raw and limit him to boyfriend abuse and losing a squash match on SD)
 
2012-04-07 08:23:44 PM

FirstNationalBastard: TheManofPA: FirstNationalBastard: Even today, The King and pretty much any other wrestling guy will say that the Kaufman angle was one of the best angles ever done involving a celebrity, because Kaufman got the mindset of wrestling. Hell, Kaufman lived that "gotta work 'em all" kayfabe mindset.

And, it showed when he was working in Memphis.

Unfortunately, that mindset farked him over in Hollywood, where they don't appreciate kayfabe as much.

Your post becomes invalid after the new Three Stooges completely change the course of wrestling.

I wish they would get Bret Hart in for a night to smack Will Sasso around again and tell him to quit pretending to be Curly.


So much THIS!!
 
2012-04-07 08:24:31 PM
Another wrestling thread‽

By the Gods, I can't quit you people!!


/I'm just kidding, I don't want to quit you people, LOL!
 
2012-04-07 08:26:22 PM
nother wrestling thread‽

By the Gods, I can't quit you people!!


/I'm just kidding, I don't want to quit you people, LOL!


BY GODS I CAN'T
 
2012-04-07 08:28:06 PM
I know we talked about it a bit on Thursday, but it's so hilarious I just want to say it again -

TNA IN MOVIE THEATERS

Mmmm, that's some good stuff, lol.
 
2012-04-07 08:29:06 PM

4NSpy: Kaufman was a genius, and looking back on what he did is great, but actually watching his performances isn't entertaining.

It's like Abstract expressionism, it was an important art movement that helped change the way we see painting, but nobody can honestly look at one of the paintings and go "yeah, I like that."


He was a real life, flesh and blood troll. I think Crispin Glover is the only other person (still alive) that really comes close.
 
2012-04-07 08:31:03 PM
That was a very entertaining, readable article. thanks subby!



/loves Kaufman
 
2012-04-07 08:36:25 PM

Smiths: Good can we discuss how they tried to totally stifle the "YES YES" on smackdown this week?

And how it hopefully won't work?


You know, like everyone else, I was pissed with 'The Sqash'.After Monday Night, I was totally sure VInce had made the biggest mistake in wrestling since 'The Shockmaster' on WCW. And then, it hit me...

What has *everyone* that watches pro wrestling been talking about for almost a full week? What chat is overtaking 'Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks'?

With 'The Squash', Daniel Bryant just got pushed over the top. In 18 seconds, DB went from the best technical wrestler in the company with a great heel turn, into a wrestler that's talked about more than the main faces of the company(Punk & Cena). His merchandise sales are probably going to take just as big a jump now as well.

Well played, Vince. Well played indeed.

/all the other arcs suck, though.
 
2012-04-07 08:38:54 PM
www.obsessedwithwrestling.com

EPIC PILEDRIVER! :D
 
2012-04-07 08:40:25 PM

Mugato: I never really "got" him. This is the part where everyone tells me to go watch my Dane Cook and Carrot Top DVDs.


He was very, very clever and IMO quite likely suffered from Asperger's. He toyed with the relationship between the performer and the audience for a laugh, constantly alienating the audience and never quite seeming to grasp that they were genuinely offended instead of appreciating the cleverness of the joke as he did.

It makes perfect sense for him to be drawn to professional wrestling with its cast of heroes and villains in perpetual conflict. He took the ultimate villain role for himself, moving outside the fictional realm of the characters within wrestling to portray himself as the enemy of wrestling itself.

His comedy is postmodern and unconventional. It isn't in the story or the characters, it's in the nature of the presentation itself. More funny strange than funny ha-ha if you ask me, but certainly challenging and provocative.
 
2012-04-07 08:43:35 PM
if this thread can be in both sports and entertainment, why can't RAW threads be in both?

/purple sin cara
 
2012-04-07 08:47:01 PM

TheManofPA: Smiths: Good can we discuss how they tried to totally stifle the "YES YES" on smackdown this week?

And how it hopefully won't work?

They put out a YES! shirt but man are they trying to ruin DB as best they can. They can't ever just have someone be inspired by the chants? I do love that the crowd taunted AJ as she left over DB.

The one thing working in his favor this week is that both crowds are live so they can't censor as easy (though they could keep him off Raw and limit him to boyfriend abuse and losing a squash match on SD)


Yeah, but DC crowds are notoriously dead, and they be more dead after being subjected to all the Stooges BS. Hopefully some mutants will drive down from Philly.
 
2012-04-07 08:49:29 PM
Since wrestling is fake, it automatically goes to Entertainment. I thought we were clear on this?
 
2012-04-07 08:50:21 PM

RepoManTSM: Yeah, but DC crowds are notoriously dead, and they be more dead after being subjected to all the Stooges BS. Hopefully some mutants will drive down from Philly.


Yeah, I'm kinda worried with a DC crowd and SPECIAL GUEST HOSTS!!!!11 added.

If they YES YES YES while Will Sasso is trying to be "funny," I'll wet my pants.
 
2012-04-07 08:52:47 PM
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"OOhh zziinngg,, MMoonnssoooonn!!"
 
2012-04-07 08:53:07 PM
One of wrestling's great angles. Many wrestlers today can learn from Kaufman.
 
2012-04-07 08:54:25 PM

JosephFinn: Since wrestling is fake, it automatically goes to Entertainment. I thought we were clear on this?


5852 (new window)
 
2012-04-07 08:55:33 PM
A girlfriend of mine was an audience volunteer wrestler at one of Andy's shows. While she was grappling with him, he started talking dirty to her, and she didn't like that very much. She headbutted him and he fell out of the ring. She was DQed there and then.
 
2012-04-07 08:57:46 PM
I remember seeing that Letterman show and I had no idea it was fake at the time
 
2012-04-07 09:01:21 PM
FYI for PA FWC members, just got two redlit headlines about Pitt's bomb scare epidemic. 5 new bomb scares came in after my two updates got red. There were 5 evacuations yesterday and 7 today. The 5 new ones bring it up to 38 evacuations since mid-Feb.
 
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