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2012-04-07 12:51:30 PM
And by "grandparents", you mean major corporations that haven't updated because of software incompatibilities.
 
2012-04-07 02:15:43 PM

St_Francis_P: And by "grandparents", you mean major corporations that haven't updated because of software incompatibilities.


My son works at the Royal Carribean call center in Springfield, Oregon. They've recently started upgrading their system from XP to Windows 7.


At home, we still have two computers, a PC & a laptop, that are running XP. We're planning get a new PC within the next year.
 
2012-04-07 02:18:33 PM

Bathia_Mapes: St_Francis_P: And by "grandparents", you mean major corporations that haven't updated because of software incompatibilities.

My son works at the Royal Carribean call center in Springfield, Oregon. They've recently started upgrading their system from XP to Windows 7.


At home, we still have two computers, a PC & a laptop, that are running XP. We're planning get a new PC within the next year.


I have 7 at home, but my work is slowly updating to 7 from XP. There are still a lot of problems with engineering software incompatibility, although it's gotten better lately.
 
2012-04-07 02:23:06 PM
Why is XP still with us?

Well, because it was a good operating system and lots of programmers made programs to run with it. Duh.
 
2012-04-07 02:32:59 PM

St_Francis_P: Bathia_Mapes: St_Francis_P: And by "grandparents", you mean major corporations that haven't updated because of software incompatibilities.

My son works at the Royal Carribean call center in Springfield, Oregon. They've recently started upgrading their system from XP to Windows 7.


At home, we still have two computers, a PC & a laptop, that are running XP. We're planning get a new PC within the next year.

I have 7 at home, but my work is slowly updating to 7 from XP. There are still a lot of problems with engineering software incompatibility, although it's gotten better lately.


There is another laptop in our home that my son uses exclusively and it runs Windows 7.
 
2012-04-07 02:56:37 PM
All three of my comps use Windows 7, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-04-07 03:11:37 PM
My grandparents are both on Win7
 
2012-04-07 03:27:07 PM
Hell, my laptop runs XP and I have no plans to change that.
 
2012-04-07 03:39:57 PM
My grandparents use Macs.

/ damn artificial hipsters
 
2012-04-07 03:43:19 PM
I heart my xp box.


/built it myself
 
2012-04-07 04:08:48 PM

quickdraw: I heart my xp box.


/built it myself


Indeed! I had an XP EOM on my last build, why would I pay for another system when I had a free one?

I will go to 7 or 8 on my next, depending on what is out.
 
2012-04-07 04:32:02 PM
Even though I have Windows 7, I endeavor to make every system I own look as much as possible like Windows 98.

Apparently this will no longer be possible with the new, ugly-ass interface they're putting in Windows 8.

This is an outrage.
 
2012-04-07 04:48:10 PM
my back-up runs win 95.
 
2012-04-07 05:09:46 PM
I use two cans connected by a string. FOR EVERYTHING.
 
2012-04-07 05:13:35 PM

elchip: Even though I have Windows 7, I endeavor to make every system I own look as much as possible like Windows 98.

Apparently this will no longer be possible with the new, ugly-ass interface they're putting in Windows 8.

This is an outrage.


Goddammit so much.

/does the same
 
2012-04-07 05:14:13 PM
XP runs better than Microsoft wishes it did.

People went to Vista and then right back after that horror revealed itself.
 
2012-04-07 05:15:36 PM
I have a legacy XP machine which is used to control an 11"x17" flatbed SCSI scanner.

/scanner is still in great condition, and gets a lot of use
//haven't found a reliable SCSI-to-USB or similar converter, so XP stays .. on that machine, at least
///Windows 7 on my laptop & at work
 
2012-04-07 05:16:20 PM

ArcadianRefugee: elchip: Even though I have Windows 7, I endeavor to make every system I own look as much as possible like Windows 98.

Apparently this will no longer be possible with the new, ugly-ass interface they're putting in Windows 8.

This is an outrage.

Goddammit so much.

/does the same


same here. I turn all the fancy crap off.
 
2012-04-07 05:17:36 PM
I have a desktop with XP and I don't really see any need to change that.

The Laptop I'm on right now is Windows 7 and that's just about the perfect balance that I need.
 
2012-04-07 05:20:13 PM
XP works, and works pretty well. There's a lot of people out there who aren't obsessed with having the latest software and just wants a computer that allows them to do the stuff they want to do.

I'm still running a PC on Vista because it does the job just fine.
 
2012-04-07 05:23:26 PM
Crap, I just upgraded to XP from Windows for Workgroups.
 
2012-04-07 05:30:53 PM

studebaker hoch: People went to Vista and then right back after that horror revealed itself.


I'm running Vista on my home PC, and use 7 at work. They seem virtually identical - why do people say that 7 is great but Vista was horrible?
 
2012-04-07 05:31:02 PM
Work computer: XP
My Laptop: XP
Wife's laptop: XP
My home desktop: XP
Both kid's desktops: XP, XP

All are working perfectly, yet will have to be replaced? GODDAMMITSOMUCH!
 
2012-04-07 05:32:42 PM
Oh yeah, and could any of our British Farkers please describe the term "punters" as it's used FTFA here "...and reached average punters on October 25th."

It sounds like another term for customers.....but I'd just like some Queen's English clarification. Seems an odd choice.
 
2012-04-07 05:38:14 PM
In 2014 the next version of Kubuntu LTS (Long Term Support) comes out (the current one comes out this month, btw), so I think my assorted ancestors are set.

/We're finished with Microsoft.
 
2012-04-07 05:38:45 PM

Rising Ape: I'm running Vista on my home PC, and use 7 at work. They seem virtually identical - why do people say that 7 is great but Vista was horrible?


The problem is that Vista became a tainted brand.

Win 7 has a few nicer features, the wireless is better, but the main problems with Vista were as follows:-

1. It was bloated and so ran slow on early machines
2. A lot of software didn't work well with UAC (despite the fact that MS have been telling people where to put user files for years).
3. A lot of hardware had drivers that sucked.

By the time of 7, MS had learnt lessons, the hardware was faster, the software had been straightened out and the driver problems were sorted too.

I got Vista on a PC (free license, thanks) just before the Win 7 beta and I can't be bothered changing it. I'm sure Win 7 is better, but not so much better that I can be bothered spending money.
 
2012-04-07 05:39:22 PM

Ennuipoet: quickdraw: I heart my xp box.


/built it myself

Indeed! I had an XP EOM on my last build, why would I pay for another system when I had a free one?

I will go to 7 or 8 on my next, depending on what is out.


8's looking like it'll be another Vista (Wonderful ideas, terrible execution), though it won't be as utterly bloated this time around.

/I've got about 8 copies of Windows 7 that I'm not allowed to sell, and that anyone I regift them to is also not allowed to resell.
//Despite that, I have a feeling I know what my Christmas 2012 gift-giving is gonna be.
///"Oh, Windows 8 sucks? Here, have free Windows 7. It only cost me $30 in the first place"
 
2012-04-07 05:44:31 PM

DJanomaly: It sounds like another term for customers.....but I'd just like some Queen's English clarification. Seems an odd choice.


Yup. It's basically an informal term for customer. It also has two other meanings:-

1. Someone who bets on a horse or on shares ("having a punt")
2. Someone who uses whores (they'll often refer to "punters" in the same way that they're referred to as "Johns" in the US). Hence the website punternet.com.
 
2012-04-07 05:49:42 PM
I like this part:

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Gartner believes 4% of PCs will still run XP beyond the end of its supported life, but plenty of migrations are afoot.

-

I think 4% is a low ball number.
 
2012-04-07 06:00:39 PM
Funny how easily people forget that the OS is supposed to support the hardware, not the other way around.
 
2012-04-07 06:15:42 PM
Two years? We MIGHT be off XP at work by then. If the in-house database guys high-paid consultants can figure out the migration to 7.

My grandparents don't have to worry about any operating system, due to their being dead and all.

Mom, on the other hand...
 
2012-04-07 06:36:58 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

XP is over 10 years old...let it go.
 
2012-04-07 07:08:06 PM
Someone said I should upgrade from XP, so I brought a Mac.

/So brave.
 
2012-04-07 07:10:10 PM

KellyLockhart: My grandparents use Macs.

/ damn artificial hipsters


lol
 
2012-04-07 07:51:25 PM

Trolljegeren: In 2014 the next version of Kubuntu LTS (Long Term Support) comes out (the current one comes out this month, btw), so I think my assorted ancestors are set.

/We're finished with Microsoft.


I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one here running Linux. Still running Meerkat on my laptop, but I'll likely upgrade it to Pangolin soon after the release.
 
2012-04-07 07:58:21 PM
Unlikely. They're all dead.
 
2012-04-07 08:08:35 PM

Mr. Potatoass: Unlikely. They're all dead.


Exactly. Last of my grandparents died in the 1990's.
 
2012-04-07 08:10:18 PM

onestar: Trolljegeren: In 2014 the next version of Kubuntu LTS (Long Term Support) comes out (the current one comes out this month, btw), so I think my assorted ancestors are set.

/We're finished with Microsoft.

I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one here running Linux. Still running Meerkat on my laptop, but I'll likely upgrade it to Pangolin soon after the release.


I've been putzing around with Ubuntu for a while now (the essentials only. I can't code my way out of a broken if,else loop) and couldn't have been more disappointed switching from 10.4 to 11.1 (or whatever versions they were). All of a sudden wireless went to shiat, my screen's brightness controls stopped working and it went from super speedy boot and wake-up times to near the same as they were under XP. Blaaargh. I don't know enough to blame Unity as the info out there goes but yikes... back on the MS I went.
 
2012-04-07 08:42:18 PM
I might point out that until a a couple years ago new netbooks came with XP on them. I have two of them and they aren't that old. Microsoft panicked when manufactures started putting Linux on the first netbooks because Vista and Win 7 were just too big. They brought XP back just for netbooks.
 
2012-04-07 09:41:54 PM
but...but...my work computer just got upgraded from Windows 2000 to XP 18 months ago!

/upgraded to IE 7 at the same time
//your tax dollars at work
///saw a job ad for a COBOL programmer last month
 
2012-04-07 09:47:25 PM
1 laptop and 2 desktops XP, plus a Ubuntu machine here at home. Win 7 at work. Sure my next build will be 7 most likely, but the XP's aren't going anywhere.

Question: in Win 7, is there a setting that allows ALL open documents and browser windows to be displayed in the task bar? I hate hovering over the icon to find the preview displays and then clicking from there.
 
2012-04-07 09:55:09 PM

powhound: Question: in Win 7, is there a setting that allows ALL open documents and browser windows to be displayed in the task bar? I hate hovering over the icon to find the preview displays and then clicking from there.


Right Click on the Taskbar -> Properties -> Taskbar -> Taskbar Buttons -> Never Combine.
 
2012-04-07 10:06:21 PM

Rising Ape: studebaker hoch: People went to Vista and then right back after that horror revealed itself.

I'm running Vista on my home PC, and use 7 at work. They seem virtually identical - why do people say that 7 is great but Vista was horrible?


7 is Vista with all the popup every 20 seconds stuff removed. Iirc the inner workings are for the most part identical otherwise.

Once you get all the programs you normally use on the "don't harass me over permissions for this" list, yeah, they should feel about the same as well. Same file structure, same basic aesthetics, controls are all in the same place. The differences aren't things that jump out at you.

Now, 8 is supposed to be the "compatible with mobile devices" version, which is why every sample we've seen has been pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-04-07 10:14:33 PM
It runs fast on modern hardware, it's well documented and runs all the software I care about. Why upgrade?
 
2012-04-07 10:27:47 PM

A-Rth-Urp-Hil-Ipdenu: onestar: Trolljegeren: In 2014 the next version of Kubuntu LTS (Long Term Support) comes out (the current one comes out this month, btw), so I think my assorted ancestors are set.

/We're finished with Microsoft.

I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one here running Linux. Still running Meerkat on my laptop, but I'll likely upgrade it to Pangolin soon after the release.

I've been putzing around with Ubuntu for a while now (the essentials only. I can't code my way out of a broken if,else loop) and couldn't have been more disappointed switching from 10.4 to 11.1 (or whatever versions they were). All of a sudden wireless went to shiat, my screen's brightness controls stopped working and it went from super speedy boot and wake-up times to near the same as they were under XP. Blaaargh. I don't know enough to blame Unity as the info out there goes but yikes... back on the MS I went.


Stick with the LTS - Long Term Support - versions (10.04 was a good choice; switching to 11.10 was . . . . a *brave* choice ;)

/The LTS releases come out in April, every other year.
//10.04 LTS in April, 2010
///12.04 LTS in April, 2012
//etc.
/Generally 2 releases a year - April (X.04) and October (X.10)
 
2012-04-07 10:32:49 PM

onestar: Trolljegeren: In 2014 the next version of Kubuntu LTS (Long Term Support) comes out (the current one comes out this month, btw), so I think my assorted ancestors are set.

/We're finished with Microsoft.

I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one here running Linux. Still running Meerkat on my laptop, but I'll likely upgrade it to Pangolin soon after the release.


I'm using 10.04/Lucid on one system, and 11.04 on another. The 10.04 system will probably stay 10.04 - it's old hardware (works fine with 10.04; not so fine with 12.04 Beta); the other system might eventually get shifted to 12.04 but it's working fine, so there is no real reason to rush).
 
2012-04-07 10:33:39 PM
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2012-04-07 05:16:20 PM

ArcadianRefugee: elchip: Even though I have Windows 7, I endeavor to make every system I own look as much as possible like Windows 98.

Apparently this will no longer be possible with the new, ugly-ass interface they're putting in Windows 8.

This is an outrage.

Goddammit so much.

/does the same

same here. I turn all the fancy crap off.


Me as well


// sadly even the asshat KDE dev team has bought into that crap. The latest versions of KDE blow a goat. So much eye candy that constantly crashes the @$%$! windows manager.
 
2012-04-07 10:39:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: 7 is Vista with all the popup every 20 seconds stuff removed.


Oh, that UAC thing? Yes, that was annoying, but I turned it off within five minutes.

So, no point upgrading then. At least Microsoft support their stuff for longer than Apple - seems like it was only about three years between them still selling Tiger and no longer supporting it.
 
2012-04-07 10:41:52 PM

OnlyM3: kukukupo [TotalFark] Smartest Funniest
2012-04-07 05:16:20 PM

ArcadianRefugee: elchip: Even though I have Windows 7, I endeavor to make every system I own look as much as possible like Windows 98.

Apparently this will no longer be possible with the new, ugly-ass interface they're putting in Windows 8.

This is an outrage.

Goddammit so much.

/does the same

same here. I turn all the fancy crap off.

Me as well


// sadly even the asshat KDE dev team has bought into that crap. The latest versions of KDE blow a goat. So much eye candy that constantly crashes the @$%$! windows manager.


To make KDE work, unclick the 'Enable Desktop Effects' box on the System Setting/Desktop tab.

/You might want to disable the nepomuk/Strigi desktop searching under the Advanced tab, too.
 
2012-04-07 10:46:11 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: I like this part:

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Gartner believes 4% of PCs will still run XP beyond the end of its supported life, but plenty of migrations are afoot.

-

I think 4% is a low ball number.


To achieve that 90% of current users have to upgrade, not accounting for overall growth in PC use.
 
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