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2012-04-08 09:04:55 AM  
Dangerous riders like this guy make me ashamed to be a cyclist.

Obey the traffic laws, ride defensively, and look out for the safety of others. It is not difficult.
 
2012-04-08 11:03:16 AM  

9beers: Another douche that screams about having the same rights to the road as motor vehicles while ignoring the rules. Hope he spends the next 20 years in jail for manslaughter.


I don't know enough about the facts of the case in TFA to support the last sentence, But the first is certainly worth noting. Now that we're in the age of "share the road," there is a huge gap in observance of "rules of the road." Bicyclists need to get a clue, and the first would be to go back to being as defensive as possible, because when it comes to encounters between a car and a bicycle -just like between car & train- the same one always loses. And no amount of "progressive" legislation can change that.
 
2012-04-08 11:20:10 AM  
FTA: "It takes just one (bleeping) jerk like Chris to give a bad name to the countless other bikers whom obey laws and ride safely." Another added, speaking directly to Bucchere, "Your irresponsibility injured (and ultimately killed) a man and you took to the Internet to tell your story? Yeah, you deserve jail time."

So much THIS^.
 
2012-04-08 11:29:20 AM  

Mi-go amigo: Dangerous riders like this guy make me ashamed to be a cyclist.

Obey the traffic laws, ride defensively, and look out for the safety of others. It is not difficult.


Word!
 
2012-04-08 12:05:44 PM  

Lsherm: WE'RE NOT IN farkING EUROPE!


Well spotted. But our major eastern cities are more like Europe than anything else. They're old, with narrow streets laid out before automobiles.

Lsherm: primarily because too many commuters live too far away from a city center for bike commuting to alleviate congestion in any meaningful way.


Incorrect.

For those of us who DO live in city centers, bikes solve all sorts of problems. As do small cars. I live in South Philly, an area where older residents still believe having multiple large automobiles is a sign of prosperity. My elderly neighbors (who are retired) own TWO Lincoln Town Cars. The houses here are 16' feet wide. Their Lincolns are about the same, which means they park one in front of their house, and the other in front of someone else's, stealing that family's parking spot and making the parking situation impossible.

Contrast that with the younger couple around the corner who drive a Mini. They never have trouble parking their car, as they can get it into spaces that full-sized cars won't fit into.

Or me: I don't have a car. When I come home from work, my means of transport comes in with me and hangs from a hook in the ceiling inside the front door. I never have issues with parking at home (though we could use more bike racks downtown; it's getting harder and harder to find a place to lock up my bike when I'm out).
 
2012-04-08 01:18:13 PM  

Brasil: What is it about bikes/cyclists that make it so heated (on both sides)?


I know the reason that I get so annoyed at the anti-cyclists is because often times they are literally calling for us to be hospitalized or even killed. I've dealt with many, many shiatty drivers who think that cars should never EVER yield to a bicycle in any circumstance. But I recognize these incidents for what they are, a symptom of human selfishness, not some sort of motorist conspiracy. If I did think that there was some sort of motorist conspiracy, I would be laughed out of the thread for saying so. Not so for motorists who claim that every single bicyclist in their city ignores the law and that they are all always supporting each other even when they break the law.
 
2012-04-08 01:29:27 PM  

jogiff: Brasil: What is it about bikes/cyclists that make it so heated (on both sides)?

I know the reason that I get so annoyed at the anti-cyclists is because often times they are literally calling for us to be hospitalized or even killed. I've dealt with many, many shiatty drivers who think that cars should never EVER yield to a bicycle in any circumstance. But I recognize these incidents for what they are, a symptom of human selfishness, not some sort of motorist conspiracy. If I did think that there was some sort of motorist conspiracy, I would be laughed out of the thread for saying so. Not so for motorists who claim that every single bicyclist in their city ignores the law and that they are all always supporting each other even when they break the law.


%age of cars which at least slow to a near stop at a stop sign ~90%

%age of bikes that do ~10%

%age of cars that stop at a red light, then look, then proceed anyway ~1% (mainly at night...if at all)

%age of bikes that do ~25% and near 75% late night

Cyclists take way more liberties at SF intersections than cars do.
 
2012-04-08 02:12:34 PM  
As a cyclist I say that there are arsehole pedestrians, arsehole cyclists and arsehole drivers.

Using the road on foot, bike or car requires paying attention and not behaving like an arsehole.

/My 2 pence.
 
2012-04-08 04:51:46 PM  
I'm shocked, absolutely shocked to hear of a cyclist that thought it was just too much trouble to obey the law. It takes inhuman amounts of strength and effort to properly apply brakes when you're riding. It's truly unbelievable.

And those pedestrians that got in the way in a crosswalk! Well, there should be charges brought on each and every one of them for slowing the natural flow of bicycling traffic as we all know they're saving us all from a fiery, oil polluting doom. Long live the cycling elite!
 
2012-04-08 06:28:02 PM  
This thread is old, but I was suddenly reminded of driving in San Francisco, pulling out of a parking lot with high hedges on either side. A bike came screaming down the sidewalk as I was pulling out and we almost collided. He proceeded to follow me for blocks until I hit a red light and then tried to rip the side mirrors off of my car!

The sad part is I rode my bike in SF and am sympathetic to the problems of cars not respecting bikes on the road.
 
2012-04-08 06:45:30 PM  

czei: This thread is old, but I was suddenly reminded of driving in San Francisco, pulling out of a parking lot with high hedges on either side. A bike came screaming down the sidewalk as I was pulling out and we almost collided. He proceeded to follow me for blocks until I hit a red light and then tried to rip the side mirrors off of my car!


The only problem I see with that story is that the dude "tried to" rip the mirror off, which would seem to indicate that he didn't actually succeed. Guys like him give the rest of us a bad name.
 
2012-04-08 06:48:35 PM  

lohphat: jogiff: Brasil: What is it about bikes/cyclists that make it so heated (on both sides)?

I know the reason that I get so annoyed at the anti-cyclists is because often times they are literally calling for us to be hospitalized or even killed. I've dealt with many, many shiatty drivers who think that cars should never EVER yield to a bicycle in any circumstance. But I recognize these incidents for what they are, a symptom of human selfishness, not some sort of motorist conspiracy. If I did think that there was some sort of motorist conspiracy, I would be laughed out of the thread for saying so. Not so for motorists who claim that every single bicyclist in their city ignores the law and that they are all always supporting each other even when they break the law.

%age of cars which at least slow to a near stop at a stop sign ~90%

%age of bikes that do ~10%

%age of cars that stop at a red light, then look, then proceed anyway ~1% (mainly at night...if at all)

%age of bikes that do ~25% and near 75% late night

Cyclists take way more liberties at SF intersections than cars do.


This post reminded me of that old saying, "when bicycles are outlawed, only outlaws will have bicycles." Obviously bikes aren't outlawed, but America's combination of poor road design and asshole drivers makes most prudent people afraid to ride a bike, which is close to the same thing. So that only leaves the people who don't mind taking risks. And unfortunately plenty of them also happen to be assholes.
 
2012-04-08 10:04:04 PM  
The only problem I see with that story is that the dude "tried to" rip the mirror off, which would seem to indicate that he didn't actually succeed. Guys like him give the rest of us a bad name.

Have you ever tried to rip off a side-view mirror? The mirror on the Honda Civic I was driving will flex, so that just bumping into something won't destroy the mirror. The point is bicyclist get road rage enough to follow a car for blocks and then start screaming at, and assaulting a car.

As a cyclist and horse owner I've done my part talking to car drivers about respecting other vehicles on the road, but its damn hard to defend assholes.
 
2012-04-08 10:55:42 PM  
I was thinking something like this was in order
 
2012-04-09 12:52:23 AM  

lohphat: jogiff: Brasil: What is it about bikes/cyclists that make it so heated (on both sides)?

I know the reason that I get so annoyed at the anti-cyclists is because often times they are literally calling for us to be hospitalized or even killed. I've dealt with many, many shiatty drivers who think that cars should never EVER yield to a bicycle in any circumstance. But I recognize these incidents for what they are, a symptom of human selfishness, not some sort of motorist conspiracy. If I did think that there was some sort of motorist conspiracy, I would be laughed out of the thread for saying so. Not so for motorists who claim that every single bicyclist in their city ignores the law and that they are all always supporting each other even when they break the law.

%age of cars which at least slow to a near stop at a stop sign ~90%

%age of bikes that do ~10%

%age of cars that stop at a red light, then look, then proceed anyway ~1% (mainly at night...if at all)

%age of bikes that do ~25% and near 75% late night

Cyclists take way more liberties at SF intersections than cars do.


Oh man, how could I argue with those statistics? Wait a minute...

%age of motorists that molest children ~99.999%

%age of cyclists who do ~0.000000000001%
 
2012-04-10 03:12:28 PM  

Oznog: Well the pedestrian "walk" lights are never set to go white against the light. And pedestrians are not launched via catapult into the intersection when it DOES change. Come on, you're going 35 mph and the intersection "filled" suddenly? It would take 2 seconds to "fill" even in a rush. At 35mph you're going 51 fps. That light didn't turn when you were it in, you were 102 ft away when it changed.

It's possible all these pedestrians started walking prior to the light change, but... somewhat unlikely. There's a critical context here in that YOU'RE CLEARLY A GIANT DOUCHEBAG and nobody trusts you to reliably describe anything.


In real cities no one ever waits for the walk signal downtown, particularly if no cars have gone by in a while - people are more patient when someone is actually using the green light, quite a bit less so when it's pointless. And this is one of those locations where there are masses of people who will keep walking right through red lights and honks. People in general are suicidal in all their ways of getting anywhere.
 
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