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2012-04-07 02:22:30 PM

louiedog: Neither was apparently hurt and hopefully both learned a valuable lesson.


They didn't if they weren't hurt.
 
2012-04-07 02:23:19 PM
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2012-04-07 02:23:50 PM

9beers: By the bikers own admission, the crosswalk was full of people meaning that at least a few seconds had passed since the light changed. Considering he admits that the light was yellow as he approached the intersection and knowing that he couldn't have been going much over 20 MPH, he had plenty of time to stop. Sounds more like he was being a mega-douche and thinking that he would be able to zip between people.


He was going 35.
 
2012-04-07 02:25:24 PM
2 comments here.

"The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop.

Here is your hint you are going to fast, moron.

The medical examiner has not publicly stated if Hui's death was a result of his injuries from the accident.

Is this not obvious?
 
2012-04-07 02:25:35 PM
I call BS on the cyclist's story. I live in SF and walk the city nearly ever day and the cyclists here NEVER stop for traffic lights, follow traffic laws, etc. Just this morning I watch 5 different dudes on bikes force their way through pedestrians at the same red light. They weren't even riding together.


Best thing I ever saw, this guy on a bike was zooming down Stockton and ran the light at speed directly into traffic and plowed into this blue blood teenage princess's brand new Mercedes SLK. Bike actually stuck to the car, rider went over the car without touching it and landed on his feet on the other side. The girl was crying her eyes out, the cyclist grabbed the bike and ran away before the cops could get there.
 
2012-04-07 02:25:55 PM

KanedaJD: This thread will be my entertainment for the day


That's a pretty poor Saturday. Hope it gets better for you.
 
2012-04-07 02:26:13 PM

cavehobbit: I have had people step out right in front of me as I am going down a hill at over 30 mph, while looking right at me, and I was below the speed limit. No way I can stop from that speed in only a few feet.


At least they looked. Purdue doesn't have a lot of bike paths on campus but they have a few thoroughfares that are painted up like roads. Dotted lines down the center. Yellow lines on the side. Big pictures of bikes every 30 feet painted on the ground Sort of seen on google. Everyone else on campus I accept the fact that I'm in the pedestrian world and ride cautiously, but I usually book it down these bike 'roads'. People will cell phones, people on their iPod just walk into the path. Normally I catch idiots ahead of time and plan on them but occasionally I'll brush a collision.


The second worst thing is people trying to react to me. I have my path planned. I treat everyone with Newton's second law. I know how fast everyone is moving their trajectories etc. (swear to God I have near Spice abilities on my bike) and 98% of the time they're in their little world and everything is fine. But occasionally someone will look up, see me and then panic.
 
2012-04-07 02:26:38 PM
I forgot to add his closing statement above in which he laments his broken helmet: "May she die knowing that because she committed the ultimate sacrifice, her rider can live on and ride on. Can I get an amen?"
 
2012-04-07 02:26:44 PM

Serpoltas: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x296]


all 3 are correct.

Here is my clause to that statement: The responsibility to avoid the accident falls on the person who will suffer the most from it. Crosswalk, red-light, whatever... if you don't look, and you die, being correct doesn't bring you back to life.
 
2012-04-07 02:28:37 PM

Yogimus: He killed a man, and no charges? Quick, get the panthers and the clan to san-fran, STAT!


The DA is filing charges They're just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. The guy's going to prison mostly for leaving the scene of an accident.
 
2012-04-07 02:29:08 PM
I would love to see a hardcore bicyclist get stuck behind a rickshaw.
 
2012-04-07 02:30:40 PM
I killed a pigeon with my bike on the way to work the other day. Say a prayer for my spokes, it took me ten minutes to retrue my wheel. Amen.
 
2012-04-07 02:31:46 PM

Wonderduck: KanedaJD: This thread will be my entertainment for the day

That's a pretty poor Saturday. Hope it gets better for you.


It's tax season :-(
 
2012-04-07 02:31:49 PM
TFA didn't mention how he dedicated his blogpost to his HELMET that "died" in service to him that day ..... the "river of blood not his own" meant nothing to him apparently that a human might have died at his recklessness. He desrves jail for manslaughter.
 
2012-04-07 02:32:04 PM

LeroyBourne: I would love to see a hardcore bicyclist get stuck behind a rickshaw.


I'd like to see an army of rickshaw drivers clog up the street and prevent Critical Mass from happening. Do they still do that? I moved out of SF a few years ago. What a bunch of assholes they were.
 
2012-04-07 02:33:41 PM
I drive for work and walk and use the bus at other times. My experuence as both a driver and a pedestrian has taught me to hate bikers: on a daily basis I deal with them ignoring lights, blowing stop signs, racing down sidewalks, not yielding to pedesrtrians and weaving in and out of traffic. I cheer when one of those assholes gets run over.
 
2012-04-07 02:34:09 PM
I submitted the story of this mildly retarded suicyclist with a better headline.
 
2012-04-07 02:35:19 PM

serial_crusher: The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop. The light turned red as I was cruising through the middle of the intersection

Not sure about California laws, but in Texas he would have had the right of way. Here it's illegal to *enter* the intersection while the light is red. If it turns red while you're in there, you're OK. Then it's also illegal for cross traffic to enter the intersection before it's clear.


Well the pedestrian "walk" lights are never set to go white against the light. And pedestrians are not launched via catapult into the intersection when it DOES change. Come on, you're going 35 mph and the intersection "filled" suddenly? It would take 2 seconds to "fill" even in a rush. At 35mph you're going 51 fps. That light didn't turn when you were it in, you were 102 ft away when it changed.

It's possible all these pedestrians started walking prior to the light change, but... somewhat unlikely. There's a critical context here in that YOU'RE CLEARLY A GIANT DOUCHEBAG and nobody trusts you to reliably describe anything.
 
2012-04-07 02:36:35 PM
Everybody needs to remember they are soft and squishy. Try not to put yourself in a position where you can and will be run over.
 
2012-04-07 02:38:47 PM
The moral of the story: if you're going to kill someone, be sure to wear a good helmet because, hey! Can I get an Amen?
 
2012-04-07 02:39:34 PM
writer should be crucified for using the term 'blog-o-sphere'

I could read no further
 
2012-04-07 02:39:52 PM
I'm so sick of the problems these spandex wrapped posers cause in Atlanta traffic. You've got the money for all the equipment you play dress up with, but you can't afford to take your bike somewhere safe to ride? Enjoy huffing all those car fumes you effite glamour boys.

If you cycling jerks would assert your right to the lane instead of hugging the curb, there would be a lot less confusion, ie Atlanta motorists would be forced to simply run you over.
 
2012-04-07 02:40:53 PM
Did all you hyperventilating bike-haters actually read the article?

One guy was a douche, and the rest of the bicycling community shunned him for it. They didn't encourage him, they didn't celebrate his behavior. That's the entire point.
 
2012-04-07 02:40:54 PM

exvaxman: mat catastrophe: My problem with bicyclists is that they complain very loudly to be treated properly on the road, yet they are consistently the biggest assholes on the road with regard to following street rules.

AMEN!
I have had several incidents with cyclists in my area. Always their fault - usually blowing stop signs or traffic lights. The last one would have been iffy if I had not had a dash cam in the car. Blind intersection due to a bad curve that did have a traffic light on it. I got a green, saw nothing and pulled into the intersection. I was plowed into by a cyclist who was going at a high rate of speed and flipped over my car - he spent two months in the hospital due to his back injuries because of how he hit the street after flying several feet. The dash cam not only showed that I pulled into the intersection on a green light, but had delayed enough so that there was no question of someone actually in the intersection. Asshat tried sueing through several lawyers, he couldn't find anyone to take the case. He did have to pay for damages to my car not covered by insurance, but he keeps trying to sue but as soon as the lawyers read the accident report and hear that there is video evidence, they tell him "no way".


CSB, link?
 
2012-04-07 02:40:56 PM
A bicycle is a vehicle. Not only do you not have the right of way that a pedestrain has, you are to follow the rules of the road. If you get run over for your stupidity, you deserve it.

Bicycles=coonts about 70% of the time

/.02
 
2012-04-07 02:41:22 PM

Oznog: Well the pedestrian "walk" lights are never set to go white against the light. And pedestrians are not launched via catapult into the intersection when it DOES change. Come on, you're going 35 mph and the intersection "filled" suddenly? It would take 2 seconds to "fill" even in a rush. At 35mph you're going 51 fps. That light didn't turn when you were it in, you were 102 ft away when it changed.

It's possible all these pedestrians started walking prior to the light change, but... somewhat unlikely. There's a critical context here in that YOU'RE CLEARLY A GIANT DOUCHEBAG and nobody trusts you to reliably describe anything.


100% This.

/The numbers never lie.
 
2012-04-07 02:44:02 PM
I'm the sort of cyclist drivers hate. I use a lane, I signal my turns, I stop for traffic signals, and basically pretend that I'm in a car. Freaks the ever-loving hell out of them.
 
2012-04-07 02:44:26 PM
 
2012-04-07 02:44:32 PM

crotchgrabber: I killed a pigeon with my bike on the way to work the other day. Say a prayer for my spokes, it took me ten minutes to retrue my wheel. Amen.


I threw up in the street once, Bush Street near Steiner. A pigeon walked over and started eating some of the solid matter.
 
2012-04-07 02:44:33 PM

cmb53208: I drive for work and walk and use the bus at other times. My experuence as both a driver and a pedestrian has taught me to hate bikers: on a daily basis I deal with them ignoring lights, blowing stop signs, racing down sidewalks, not yielding to pedesrtrians and weaving in and out of traffic. I cheer when one of those assholes gets run over.


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Succession Of Terrible Events Fails To Befall 33-Year-Old Riding Longboard To Digital Media Job (new window): "Seeing something like this, it makes you question the existence of God," said passerby David Erickson, still dumbfounded by the fact that Reston had remained upright during his entire longboard commute rather than ending up a crumpled, bloody pile on the sidewalk, with the iPad he no doubt had somewhere on his person smashed to pieces beside him. "I mean, I don't expect something crazy to happen, like a big chunk of building coming loose and flattening him from above, but nothing? Nothing at all?"
 
2012-04-07 02:45:46 PM
As Lance Armstrong might say, "It's not about the bike."

You could substitute ANY wheeled vehicle from a steamroller to a skateboard and the same thing would have happened with this particular dooshbag in control.

He's essentially saying, "I ignored the amber caution light and entered the intersection too fast to be in control."

He acts like having the light turn red after he entered the intersection on yellow was something unexpected.
 
2012-04-07 02:46:27 PM
Is this the thread where sociopaths openly wish for people who occasionally annoy them to die?
 
2012-04-07 02:47:37 PM

9beers: By the bikers own admission, the crosswalk was full of people meaning that at least a few seconds had passed since the light changed. Considering he admits that the light was yellow as he approached the intersection and knowing that he couldn't have been going much over 20 MPH, he had plenty of time to stop. Sounds more like he was being a mega-douche and thinking that he would be able to zip between people.


Honestly, that is a huge intersection too. I have a ton of trouble believing he couldn't have hit the brakes in time if he was approaching a yellow light, honestly.

I think the issue people tend to have with bikes is the constant and flagrant disregard for traffic laws. If car driver behaved like bike riders, it would be chaos. I am the first to admit cars are much, much more dangerous than bikes, but I don't see as many cars flaunting traffic laws as I do bikes.
 
2012-04-07 02:47:59 PM

Repo Man: Is this the thread where sociopaths openly wish for people who occasionally annoy them to die?


THAT makes you a sociopath? I thought it was a normal thing.
 
2012-04-07 02:48:02 PM

louiedog: LeroyBourne: I would love to see a hardcore bicyclist get stuck behind a rickshaw.

I'd like to see an army of rickshaw drivers clog up the street and prevent Critical Mass from happening. Do they still do that? I moved out of SF a few years ago. What a bunch of assholes they were.


I have no idea, I'd say rickshaws are probably confined to china town. Up here in MN, CM is huge, and we have no rickshaws to stop them.
 
2012-04-07 02:48:55 PM

Kevin72: crotchgrabber: I killed a pigeon with my bike on the way to work the other day. Say a prayer for my spokes, it took me ten minutes to retrue my wheel. Amen.

I threw up in the street once, Bush Street near Steiner. A pigeon walked over and started eating some of the solid matter.


I'll say a prayer for your undigested dinner and booze.
 
2012-04-07 02:49:22 PM

exvaxman: He did have to pay for damages to my car not covered by insurance, but he keeps trying to sue but as soon as the lawyers read the accident report and hear that there is video evidence, they tell him "no way".


he is trying to clear his medical bills. he could try just paying the attorney's fees instead of contingency. i feel sure an attorney would take his money then.

sat on a jury where a guy tried claiming against his dad's insurance for medical bills from a motorcycle accident. it was BS claim and he got nada but folks will try anything. my guess is the guy then had medical and attorney bills. HA he deserved both.
 
2012-04-07 02:49:35 PM

Yogimus:

THAT makes you a sociopath? I thought it was a normal thing.


What doesn't make you a sociopath is a systemic disregard for the safety of yourself and others.
 
2012-04-07 02:49:38 PM

jim32rr: I submitted the story of this mildly retarded suicyclist with a better headline.


HOMICYCLIST FTFY. I've always called them kamikaze cyclists to cover their both their suicidal and homicidal death wishes.
 
2012-04-07 02:49:56 PM

Repo Man: Is this the thread where sociopaths openly wish for people who occasionally annoy them to die?


You have offended my sense of arbitrary self righteousness, please die horribly.
 
2012-04-07 02:50:15 PM
I have to deal with San Francisco bike douche's on a regular basis. This ass-hat is lying when he says he was too committed to stop for the yellow light and it turned red when he was halfway through the intersection. The lights are not that farking fast. SF bicyclists have a complete disregard for traffic laws. They don't care if the light is green, yellow, or red or who has the right of way; they fly right through completely oblivious to the safety of all.

And what happens when a bike douche gets killed running a red light? All the bike douches get together to hold a bike douche protest. Which to me seems like a damn good time to go for a fast drive in a big ass humvie.
 
2012-04-07 02:50:19 PM

FunkOut: They say bicycles are vehicles but you never see them traveling at 70 mph on a highway with all the other vehicles.


Speed is not what defines a vehicle.

While the cyclist was in the wrong for A) not stopping once there were pedestrians in his path and B) not stopping and waiting for police once he hit the guy, I do want to point out that pedestrians in most major cities (NYC being an exception) have taking to crossing the road whenever and wherever they feel like. I've had people step out in front of me in the middle of the block more times than I can count. And there are plenty of intersections downtown which become completely gridlocked at lunch- and rush-hour because the pedestrians keep crossing the street after the light changes against them.

/Personally, I hope they track the cyclist down and throw the book at him
/urban cyclist
 
2012-04-07 02:50:36 PM
I ride when I can....and really enjoy it, but I try to never forget that I can be hurt or killed by anything bigger than me.....and not to let myself get into a situation where I can hurt somebody else. (that's why I stick mostly to MUP's and roads with wide shoulders).

Putting a bell on my bike helped immensely with letting pedestrians know that I'm nearby. Putting lights on my bike helped me deal with ninja walkers (no reflective gear), and I watch out for the dog walkers and their unleashed or 25-foot retractable leashes stretched across the path.

Still, I'm invisible to cars, even when I've got the green light, they've got a red. They'll just barrel right through the MUP to make their right turn without so much as a glance. That's why I got this:

www.pricepoint.com

115 dB of Coast-Guard Approved, shiat your pants, throw your cell phone safety at the touch of a button.
 
2012-04-07 02:53:08 PM

LeroyBourne: louiedog: LeroyBourne: I would love to see a hardcore bicyclist get stuck behind a rickshaw.

I'd like to see an army of rickshaw drivers clog up the street and prevent Critical Mass from happening. Do they still do that? I moved out of SF a few years ago. What a bunch of assholes they were.

I have no idea, I'd say rickshaws are probably confined to china town. Up here in MN, CM is huge, and we have no rickshaws to stop them.


Actually rickshaws are more of a Fisherman's Wharf and Ferry Building kind of thing. And there are only a few of them. However, a very large family (not in number) from where I grew up said they all piled into one rickshaw and were driven around for awhile so I imagine the drivers are quite strong and fearless. I think they could do it.
 
2012-04-07 02:53:10 PM

crotchgrabber: Kevin72: crotchgrabber: I killed a pigeon with my bike on the way to work the other day. Say a prayer for my spokes, it took me ten minutes to retrue my wheel. Amen.

I threw up in the street once, Bush Street near Steiner. A pigeon walked over and started eating some of the solid matter.

I'll say a prayer for your undigested dinner and booze.


It was lunch. About 3:30 afternoon. Actually alcohol was not involved.
 
2012-04-07 02:53:56 PM

xmasbaby: As Lance Armstrong might say, "It's not about the bike."

You could substitute ANY wheeled vehicle from a steamroller to a skateboard and the same thing would have happened with this particular dooshbag in control.

He's essentially saying, "I ignored the amber caution light and entered the intersection too fast to be in control."

He acts like having the light turn red after he entered the intersection on yellow was something unexpected.


Some cities have shortened their yellow light intervals substantially. Generally the same cities that have invested in red light cameras.
 
2012-04-07 02:54:48 PM

Asa Phelps: xmasbaby: As Lance Armstrong might say, "It's not about the bike."

You could substitute ANY wheeled vehicle from a steamroller to a skateboard and the same thing would have happened with this particular dooshbag in control.

He's essentially saying, "I ignored the amber caution light and entered the intersection too fast to be in control."

He acts like having the light turn red after he entered the intersection on yellow was something unexpected.

Some cities have shortened their yellow light intervals substantially. Generally the same cities that have invested in red light cameras.


Oh, that makes it OK then.
 
2012-04-07 02:56:32 PM

Birnone: If the pedestrian has the light, the driver/rider is in the wrong.

However, pedestrians should be aware that right of way does not prevent death or injury, it's simply a law. Words printed on paper, in other words. Your life and health remain in your hands when you step into the street.


I actually had that conversation with my wife a few years back, when some parking lot asshole almost nailed us. Whe swid "I should have let him hit me. That would have showed him."

I told her "when there's an unarmed fight of person vs car, car usually wins. You're making ke feel better about upping your life insurance, though."
 
2012-04-07 02:57:22 PM
My job involves quite a bit of driving. I'm very occasionally inconvenienced a tiny bit by people on bicycles. Fellow motorists regularly do things that actually threaten my life.
 
2012-04-07 02:57:28 PM

t3knomanser: I'm the sort of cyclist drivers hate. I use a lane, I signal my turns, I stop for traffic signals, and basically pretend that I'm in a car. Freaks the ever-loving hell out of them.


I've gotten yelled at more times than I can count for that sort of behavior.

/most drivers/cyclists/pedestrians don't realize how shiatty they are at driving/biking/walking until you point it out to them.
 
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