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2012-04-07 12:10:30 PM  

ph0rk: DubyaHater: ph0rk: I like the helmets without chinbars.

...
People can put a kid on a bike as soon as they are large enough to reach the passenger pegs in most states. I think riding on the interstate with both rider and child passenger helmetless is probably inching near neglect and/or abuse.


2 things.....first the law allowing helmet freedom require > 21 years old. Second, I mentioned adult.

I agree with the children being required because they are not old enough to decide this properly.
 
2012-04-07 12:12:22 PM  
i21.photobucket.com

whats going on in here?
 
2012-04-07 12:19:52 PM  
I think that I will go for a ride now, but with my helmet on.
 
2012-04-07 12:20:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: A friend of mine is rebuilding a '71 Norton that I sold him years ago, and it has that exact same feature. Unless it runs out of gas first (flat track tank).


This is the 4th Triumph I have rebuilt, I guess I am not a rider I always seem to sell them when I am done and buy my next basket case.
 
GBB
2012-04-07 12:21:34 PM  

kendelrio: My head my insurance my choice.


/wear a helmet when I ride regardless as to whether I'm required to or not.

//also an organ donor.

///also wear my seatbelt.


Bikes have seatbelts??
 
2012-04-07 12:21:47 PM  
Go ahead and google "ATGATT reminder" and read the posts.

Here's a some examples.

NSFW (new window)

NSFW (new window)

Better your helmet than your head.

www.utahbikelaw.com

www.dutchpickle.com

negligentdischarge.com
 
2012-04-07 12:25:21 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Bikers without helmets go right to the morgue -- much cheaper."


haha, what a stupid doctor.

/no helmet, did not die
//was not a vegetable upon recovery either
/cannabis saved my brain
.google 'cannabinoids as neuroprotectants/antioxidants' find out WHO OWNS THE PATENT FOR THIS COMPLETELY NON-MEDICAL PLANT
 
2012-04-07 12:26:34 PM  

GBB: kendelrio: My head my insurance my choice.


/wear a helmet when I ride regardless as to whether I'm required to or not.

//also an organ donor.

///also wear my seatbelt.

Bikes have seatbelts??


Yours doesn't????
 
2012-04-07 12:29:19 PM  
A co-worker's sister was in a motorcycle accident as a passenger on the bike.

No helmet

T shirt

shorts

flip-flops on her feet


She is going to be in the hospital for a very, very log time.
 
2012-04-07 12:29:46 PM  
I see the Fark School Safety Patrol is out in force this morning.

Helmet/seatbelt laws crossed a clearly defined line:Can the state regulate personal behavior that INDIRECTLY impacts the rest of society? (i.e., crash, become a veg, society has to pay for you, etc.) No other law ever did that.

IF it is alright for the state to do this, THEN there is no logical stopping point.

If you overeat/eat poorly, society pays for your heart attack/disability. Do you really want to have to go to government mandated check ups? Have your food purchases tracked and approved?

If you have children and can't support them in a manner that the state deems appropriate, that HUGELY impacts society. Do you really want to have to please/perform for some government bureaucrat to obtain a breeding license?

I always wear my seat belt. Because it makes sense, not because the government tells me to. I also DON't wear a helmet while riding my bicycle. The risk/benefit ratio is acceptable TO ME.

Helmet/seltbelt laws set dangerous precedents. They need to be eliminated.
 
2012-04-07 12:30:54 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I remember when this was being debated at the Capitol.

A Trauma Center senior physician kinda shocked everyone during a hearing when he said "Eliminating helmet laws will save the taxpayers a lot of money in uncompensated care costs for the uninsured and underinsured. Bikers with helmets come in and need a lot of expensive short-term care and long-term rehab. Bikers without helmets go right to the morgue -- much cheaper."


The problem is we still end up paying for expensive emergency care before they decide to pull the plug on them.

/lives in PA
//cyclist
///always wear a helmet, and it's saved me serious injury once already
 
2012-04-07 12:30:56 PM  

Erom: There are a lot of situations where people are just riding a mile to the store and not going to ride faster than 30 mph. That situation is pretty low risk as far as getting into a wreck. Those people should have the freedom be able to just hop on without a helmet.


My sister was riding a bicycle down a hill at probably less than 20 mph during a mass ride, and because of other idiots riding in front of the lone SUV that was making a turn halfway down, ended up slamming into the back of it because she was boxed in. Her bike helmet probably saved her life, and the medical costs to her insurance were upwards of $130,000 after all the rehab.

It's only low risk if you're standing still.
 
2012-04-07 12:32:11 PM  

mark12A: Helmet/seltbelt laws set dangerous precedents. They need to be eliminated.


I'm just going to call you an idiot and leave it at that.
 
2012-04-07 12:33:29 PM  

ladyfortuna: It's only low risk if you're standing still.


Usually, anyway. (new window)
 
2012-04-07 12:35:29 PM  
I couldn't care if people wear a helmet or not. Just like I don't care if people wear a seat belt.

But I don't think health insurance should have to to cover you if you do something like that. IMHO at that point you accept personal liability. You took an unnecessary risk. Same goes for drunk drivers. We all pay for this stuff. It adds up. Lifetime disabilities and illness can cost millions.

Also of the belief EMS shouldn't put their necks out going after people who stay behind in a storm when told to evacuate.

FWIW a non-motorized bike going 10 MPH can kill a pedestrian . All it takes is landing on your head in the right way.
 
2012-04-07 12:36:10 PM  

lonerancher: Seatbelt laws are not about protecting the driver of a vehicle for their own sake. The logic behind seatbelt laws was that a restrained driver was more likely to remain conscious and not be thrown from the drivers seat so that they could remain in physical control of the vehicle after the collision until it came to a stop. Seatbelt laws are about preventing a could thousand pounds of metal going down the highway without a driver in control.


That's a pretty big leap in logic to think that someone will be able to control their vehicle after their airbag goes off. Odds are their hands will be thrown free from the steering wheel and they will be stunned by the concussion of the airbag deployment.

In reality seatbelt laws are only in existence because of the insurance companies' lobbyists - they're to save them money.

That being said, if you don't wear a seat belt in a car or full-faced helmet on a bike then you're a moron.
 
2012-04-07 12:40:32 PM  
I ride a motorbike daily to commute 25 miles to work. I ride ATGATT. All The Gear All The Time. 2005 BMW K1200S. Being a commuter doesn't mean I have to ride a moped or scooter.

/0-60 in less than 3 seconds
//175 mph top speed
///15,000 miles per year
////one wreck so far
//actually enjoy the ride to work
//running out of things to put behind slashies
 
2012-04-07 12:43:38 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread ?
 
2012-04-07 12:47:12 PM  

azxj: In reality seatbelt laws are only in existence because of the insurance companies' lobbyists - they're to save them money.


seat belts fail to prevent anyone from dying, according to you. Seat belts' negligible effect of restraining the driver from slamming into their steering wheel in the event of a head-on collision has not been documented, it's not like those guys test their products with crash test dummies or anything

/getting thrown from your bike is good because an 800lb -- a 600 lb motorcycle has more inertial force than your body, will keep sliding long after your body comes to a complete halt on the road

/I live with my mom I already applied my troll-block this morning
 
2012-04-07 12:47:22 PM  
Never understood how you can shorten motorcyclist and come up with biker. Biker is short for bicycle.
 
2012-04-07 12:51:31 PM  
Link (new window)
 
2012-04-07 12:59:44 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: A Trauma Center senior physician kinda shocked everyone during a hearing when he said "Eliminating helmet laws will save the taxpayers a lot of money in uncompensated care costs for the uninsured and underinsured. Bikers with helmets come in and need a lot of expensive short-term care and long-term rehab. Bikers without helmets go right to the morgue -- much cheaper."


If this really happened....I love this man and want to buy him a beer.

Alternatively, I would have accepted "If they want to remove themselves from the gene pool, really, who are we to stand in their way?"
 
2012-04-07 01:00:57 PM  

thesubliminalman: Never understood how you can shorten motorcyclist and come up with biker. Biker is short for bicycle.


Because BIKE is short for BICYCLE.

Motorcycle, in it's original form, was MOTORIZED BICYCLE, and has commonly been shortened to...wait for it....MOTORBIKE....
 
2012-04-07 01:03:05 PM  
mark12A: Helmet/seltbelt laws set dangerous precedents. They need to be eliminated.

D-Y:I'm just going to call you an idiot and leave it at that.


Way intelligent comeback there, Dwight. Just don't come crying to me when the gub'mint starts rationing your booze "for the good of society"

/two beers a day is all the refreshment you require, citizen
//it's for the children!
 
2012-04-07 01:03:58 PM  

urban.derelict: seat belts fail to prevent anyone from dying, according to you. Seat belts' negligible effect of restraining the driver from slamming into their steering wheel in the event of a head-on collision has not been documented, it's not like those guys test their products with crash test dummies or anything


I'm not saying that seat belts don't prevent injuries or deaths. I'm saying the reason we have seat belt laws is because of the insurance industry - and they didn't exactly lobby the feds out of the goodness of their hearts. All 50 states passed seat belt laws due to the federal government blackmailing them - threatening to withhold federal highway funds if they didn't pass them. And the federal government did this due to pressure (read: bribes) from the insurance industry.

But don't take my word for it (new window)
 
2012-04-07 01:16:28 PM  

ph0rk: Erom: There are a lot of situations where people are just riding a mile to the store and not going to ride faster than 30 mph. That situation is pretty low risk as far as getting into a wreck. Those people should have the freedom be able to just hop on without a helmet.

Most accidents happen under 35 mph, in urban and suburban areas.

So, pretty much exactly the situation you've described.


And most accidents in general occur within 10 miles of your house, raising the likelihood of a "quick hop to the store" being your last. Put on a farking helmet. You can be the best rider on the road but you still have zero control over the people in cars who aren't used to looking for a bike & won't see you.

/Experienced rider
//I never even leave the garage without a helmet.
 
2012-04-07 01:21:19 PM  

brigid_fitch: And most accidents in general occur within 10 miles of your house,


I hate this farking canard. That's because most DRIVING occurs within 10 miles of your house.

brigid_fitch: You can be the best rider on the road but you still have zero control over the people in cars who aren't used to looking for a bike & won't see you.


This. I live in Florida, in a very aged area, with lots of 4 and 6 lane roads. I ride paranoid. I assume EVERY car is going to pull out in front of me. Guess what...more than a few have, and thanks to my "paranoia" I've been able to dodge them every time.

/laid it down in the rain in front of a school bus once...want to feel helpless? Roll over just in time to see that big back bumper sliding to a stop inches over your head.
 
2012-04-07 01:22:54 PM  

azxj: And the federal government did this due to pressure (read: bribes) from the insurance industry.


Who in turn succumbed to pressure from their customers, who wanted the lowest rates possible.

Free market capitalism sometimes works to the betterment of society.

/sometimes.
 
2012-04-07 01:24:39 PM  

Aulus: A co-worker's sister was in a motorcycle accident as a passenger on the bike.

No helmet

T shirt

shorts

flip-flops on her feet

She is going to be in the hospital for a very, very log time.


My niece & her husband were in an accident in July. They both had helmets but no proper gear--she was wearing shorts & a halter, he had jeans and a t-shirt. High-side fall threw them both and they skidded along the highway. 2 months in the hospital for various broken bones, internal injuries, and skin grafts. They're STILL in physical therapy and will be for some time.

The WORST I've ever worn was a long-sleeve shirt, denim jacket, jeans, sneakers, helmet, and gloves. And that was during 110-degree weather during a bike rally, so I knew I'd be relatively safe. Any other time, it's full-on kevlar.

/Don't underestimate riding gloves
//When you fall, what's the first thing you put out to stop yourself? Get those scraped up, and you're out of commission for a long while.
 
2012-04-07 01:26:56 PM  

DIGITALgimpus: FWIW a non-motorized bike going 10 MPH can kill a pedestrian . All it takes is landing on your head in the right way.


You can drown in two inches of water. Next: demands that the government mandate that all citizens wear snorkels outside of the desert.
 
2012-04-07 01:27:05 PM  

Tom_Slick: I've got the safest bike ever made and I always wear a helmet.


/1969 Triumph Bonneville it is safe because the electrical system will fail 3 miles from home, even safer now since it is torn down to have a complete aftermarket wiring harness installed and electronic ignition I am tired of chasing problems. Going to pick the frame up from powdercoat today.


I had the same problem in one of my old Hondas. Drove me insane for months until I finally...FINALLY...found the problem. That old bike had a really important fuse that was just a strip of some kind of soft metal. It had cracked, but it would make a solid connection when the bike was cold, and it would initially run fine...right up until that fuse got hot, at which point the connection would go bad, the bike would start sputtering and eventually die, leaving me stranded. Then, it would cool down and start right back up again like nothing had happened. Completely maddening.

God it felt good to finally find that fuse. Best part: the replacement cost me like 2 dollars.

/CMSB
 
2012-04-07 01:32:14 PM  

brigid_fitch: When you fall, what's the first thing you put out to stop yourself?


Off my bike? I don't. Arms up in a boxer defensive style...let the fall happen...try to "ride the slide". With any luck you're wearing good leather and the slide won't chew you up too bad.
 
2012-04-07 01:33:27 PM  

mark12A: Way intelligent comeback there, Dwight. Just don't come crying to me when the gub'mint starts rationing your booze "for the good of society"


Uh, yeah. I stand by my original statement. You're definitely an idiot.
 
2012-04-07 01:35:00 PM  

ThunderPelvis: I had the same problem in one of my old Hondas. Drove me insane for months until I finally...FINALLY...found the problem. That old bike had a really important fuse that was just a strip of some kind of soft metal. It had cracked, but it would make a solid connection when the bike was cold, and it would initially run fine...right up until that fuse got hot, at which point the connection would go bad, the bike would start sputtering and eventually die, leaving me stranded. Then, it would cool down and start right back up again like nothing had happened. Completely maddening.

God it felt good to finally find that fuse. Best part: the replacement cost me like 2 dollars.


I had an '85 Virago that did something weird...it would run fine, but then when you would stop for gas, it wouldn't restart. Turns out that when you turned the engine off after a hard highway ride, the temp would actually INCREASE, and it would increase enough to trigger the damned oil-temp sensor, which cause and automatic cutoff. After I had my bike towed TWICE my mechanic finally figured out what the fark was happening.
 
2012-04-07 01:35:15 PM  
Count me in as another one who doesn't leave the driveway without a helmet. But my main reason for doing that isn't for my safety, it's for the rest of YOU.

If I were to go tooling around one one of my bikes without a helmet, the light glaring off of my big ol bald head would be like a 500,000cp strobe light flashing in drivers eyes. Nobody wants that. Hiding my ugly mug from your children is just a bonus.

Plus, anyone who has ridden through a spruce bark beetle swarm (common up here) knows that even a full helmet and riding gear doesn't quite stop the sting of those little bastards hitting you at 70MPH. Without a helmet I imagine it would feel like getting shot by a bb gun...repeatedly.
 
2012-04-07 01:36:10 PM  

thesubliminalman: Never understood how you can shorten motorcyclist and come up with biker. Biker is short for bicycle.


Because cyclist clearly indicates a motorcycle rider?
 
2012-04-07 01:37:53 PM  

Skyd1v: Plus, anyone who has ridden through a spruce bark beetle swarm (common up here) knows that even a full helmet and riding gear doesn't quite stop the sting of those little bastards hitting you at 70MPH. Without a helmet I imagine it would feel like getting shot by a bb gun...repeatedly.


Down here, it's lovebugs. Take a lovebug up the nose or in your mouth at 65 MPH...you'll never wear a half-hat again.
 
2012-04-07 01:38:04 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: brigid_fitch: When you fall, what's the first thing you put out to stop yourself?

Off my bike? I don't. Arms up in a boxer defensive style...let the fall happen...try to "ride the slide". With any luck you're wearing good leather and the slide won't chew you up too bad.


Go over your handlebars and you're stopping yourself with your skull

I did this once on a bicycle; it's not fun. I was wearing a helmet, so it hit the ground first instead of my forehead. No concussion, I didn't even black out. Helmet was toast, though, as was the bike. Went out the next day and bought the same make and model of helmet.
 
2012-04-07 01:43:49 PM  

brigid_fitch: Aulus:
/Don't underestimate riding gloves
//When you fall, what's the first thing you put out to stop yourself? Get those scraped up, and you're out of commission for a long while.


When I was in the Reserves, one of the soldiers got cut off in rain-turning-to-snow and faceplanted on the pavement. Dude had carbon fiber gloves and I believe basic riding gear; cracked his skull, burned right through the gloves at the knuckles, and through his knee protector thingies. After he was back at drill (checked himself out of the hospital because of no insurance), he allowed me to take pictures and write it up, so we literally made him the poster boy for motorcycle safety for the building. He was extremely lucky he wasn't hurt worse.
 
2012-04-07 01:44:47 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Marcus Aurelius: I don't know any serious bikers that ride without an armored kevlar suit, let alone a helmet.

Here in Utah, I rarely see a helmeted rider. Oh, and just for fun . . .

[www.thevictoryformation.com image 498x351]


Sorry if this has been covered:

Was he not wearing a helmet, or was he wearing one of those stupid skullcap deals?

Why anyone wouldn't wear a fullface helmet is completely beyond me.
 
2012-04-07 01:51:59 PM  
I mentioned my fil before on this subject. He got back from Texas and he enjoyed riding without his helmet. He is so looking forward to MI repeal of the helmet law to no surprise. Yesterday I didn't argue with him, I just asked him to sign up for organ donation. My mil said not to worry, she'll see that his organs are donated.

As long as seatbelts are required, helmets should also be. If you want more restraints in cars, make full face helmets and gear mandatory.

I am okay with people given choices, I am simply stating mine.
 
2012-04-07 01:53:57 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: AverageAmericanGuy: Can't access the article.

Are we talking about motorcyclists or bicyclists?

Motorcycles.


Neither motorcyclists nor bicyclists are "bikers".

Please use correct terminology.
 
2012-04-07 01:55:18 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:

Motorcycle, in it's original form, was MOTORIZED BICYCLE, and has commonly been shortened to...wait for it....MOTORCYCLE....


betterized
 
2012-04-07 01:56:14 PM  

azxj: I'm not saying that seat belts don't prevent injuries or deaths. I'm saying the reason we have seat belt laws is because of the insurance industry - and they didn't exactly lobby the feds out of the goodness of their hearts. All 50 states passed seat belt laws due to the federal government blackmailing them - threatening to withhold federal highway funds if they didn't pass them. And the federal government did this due to pressure (read: bribes) from the insurance industry.


oh i completely agree with you; insurance companies are for profit.

/thankfully I only have to pay $75/year for my steel horse
 
2012-04-07 01:57:59 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Neither motorcyclists nor bicyclists are "bikers".

Please use correct terminology.

www.inquisitr.com

/less syllables = bett4r
 
2012-04-07 02:21:18 PM  
Just wear the damn gear. It exists for a reason.
 
2012-04-07 02:51:01 PM  
I rode for a while with one of those novelty helmets. Just recently I picked up a 3/4 DOT made by Lick's. The thing is great- light as hell but nicely padded. Plus it matches the matte black of my Harley's paint scheme.

I like my head.
 
2012-04-07 03:05:16 PM  

darch: I like my head.


I think that's the best argument for wearing a helmet I can think of. I make my living with my brain and the information stored in it, so I need to make sure nothing bad happens to it, or I'm boned.
 
2012-04-07 03:15:34 PM  

neaorin: Just wear the damn gear. It exists for a reason.


There's a difference between riding to the convenience store and highway riding. Riding on the highway without a helmet and face protection from rocks the road -- the car in front of you throws your way is not fun.

/you'll shoot your eye out
//bugs aren't a delicacy for a reason
/tryin' to rub shiat out of your eye at 55 mph is unpossible
 
2012-04-07 03:18:52 PM  
As a CRACKED article pointed out sometimes ago, Bikers know what this feels like:

www.pennmac.com

intimately. The high friction road surfaces are meant to stop cars from sliding, not people.
 
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