If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Mercury News)   Thomas Kinkade gets to find out a little early how accurate all those paintings he did of Heaven were   (mercurynews.com) divider line 407
    More: Sad  
•       •       •

12964 clicks; posted to Main » on 06 Apr 2012 at 11:42 PM   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



407 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-04-07 07:31:59 PM
T.M.S.:
People paying for your art has nothing to do with being an artist.

Many of the worlds greatest artists never sold a single canvas.

If revenue is the biggest criterion Kinkade is indeed the worlds greatest artist.


In theory, I agree that some of the greatest artists have never sold anything. IIRC, Vincent van Gogh sold only one canvas while he was alive. Ironically, some of his paintings now sell for millions of dollars, but he'll never get a dime of it. In reality, I know several artists who make little or no revenue from their work simply because they're not very gifted in the first place.

I'd gladly live in a world where there wasn't the constant need to pay the rent but, sadly, that's not our world. If I have to bow before the throne of the Almighty Dollar, I'd rather be making money doing something I enjoy than having a job that I hate and limiting my creativity to the evenings...
 
2012-04-07 08:10:44 PM
Psycat: T.M.S.:
People paying for your art has nothing to do with being an artist.

Many of the worlds greatest artists never sold a single canvas.

If revenue is the biggest criterion Kinkade is indeed the worlds greatest artist.

In theory, I agree that some of the greatest artists have never sold anything. IIRC, Vincent van Gogh sold only one canvas while he was alive. Ironically, some of his paintings now sell for millions of dollars, but he'll never get a dime of it. In reality, I know several artists who make little or no revenue from their work simply because they're not very gifted in the first place.

I'd gladly live in a world where there wasn't the constant need to pay the rent but, sadly, that's not our world. If I have to bow before the throne of the Almighty Dollar, I'd rather be making money doing something I enjoy than having a job that I hate and limiting my creativity to the evenings...


It's not a theory. Many of the worlds greatest artists never made a dime from their work. It did not make them any less deserving of the title artist.

Likewise the aesthetic value of artwork has nothing to do with whether something is or is not art.

And I say that as a very successfully artist.
 
2012-04-07 08:11:06 PM
T.M.S.: If revenue is the biggest criterion Kinkade is indeed the worlds greatest artist.

I'm pretty sure Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst make more than Kinkade.
 
2012-04-07 09:00:00 PM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch:

I'm a little confused here.

The Fairness Doctrine was discontinued in 1987, not 1996, and under a rulemaking by the Patrick Com ...


no need to be confused... I was the one who messed up the timeline, But I'm sure we can both agree that was part of the beginning of the end as it were. by the time I was getting into radio, the big BIG local.. historic radio station had a 40/60 blend of local to syndicate broadcasting and had moved towards talk radio. and now its just a conservative shill broadcasting rush, his imitators and all the advertising seems geared towards paranoid reactionaries and under performing corporate sales men with erectile dysfunction. and this is the same station that, in its hey day hosted the Old Dominion Barn dance that the Grand ole opery would go on to imitate.
it's a sad, pathetic boner pill and gold shilling shadow of it's former self.

As to the high school radio station? it was a 100 watt, 100 foot tower deal attached to the counties vo-tech operations. I was looking at electives to take for my junior and senior years. I wanted to take the student pilot classes, but my maffs weren't gud enough, so I took the next glamorous thing, the radio station class.
the power and tower of the station was just enough to reach all the schools in the county but my home school was on the fringes.. if I recall correctly.. it was WRHC 91.1 FM. don't hold me to that.. its a long time ago fuzzy, and I make beer for a living now and I just got home from work.

in any case, the class was run by a Mr. Bob Crawford who was also a part time personality at the big AOR station in town WRXL. which has since changed hands, and formats and is now Nurock, that plays a lot of metallica.

Mr. Crawfords lessen plan was to run the highschool station like a REAL radio station. first year was learning the job, second year was doing the job. those of us that survived to second year were given positions, tasks, and time slots for OTA stuff. I was strong in production and OTA. so I was made production manager and was in charge of making all the OTA spots, PSA's and etc. the production studio was set up with a Mac color classic running whatever waveform multi track editor that was available at the time, I forget its name, but that computer dumped its audio into a channel on the old school analog production studio board for further editing on the reel to reel, where splice and tape was king. and then further mastered to a standard Cart for OTA broadcast.
broadcast studio was a mixture of CD players, carts and Record player.

that's how I learned to edit audio, and I took to the digital computer side well, and loved rocking a razor blade and some cello tape on the reels as well. I would often rough it with computer, fine tune with on the reel with the razor blade, then master down to the carts.

the station itself was simply classified as a non-commercial. even though we were all charged with generating sales in the form of radio station sponcers ala NPR, a traffic manager to manage the OTA traffic ( no Raqueem, the traffic manager is not the guy who does the rush hour traffic report ) managing the talent producing and directing shows.. scripting dialogue, all that good stuff.
I produced, scripted and sold all my own shows in a time and place when it was making my own spots and making flyers by hand printing them out on the xerox machine at the library, and going to all the schools and taking them up.
doing live remotes from the radio station by co-ordinating a board operator and doing the VO over a old motoroloa bag phone that was owned and paid for by the county. this was before cell phones were all over the place and you paid for that shiat by the minute and the county was on your ass about the usage..in the meen time, your live remote was some far flung high school cafeteria where the gutter punks had no idea what the hell you were doing and were trying to change the channel on the PA's radio.

oh.. it got interesting.

but it was great fun. and I did learn a lot... unfortunately, what I learned, went all out the window about three years after I graduated from the program and was trying to make my way in the world. And the apprenticeship at my fathers engineering firm payed far better than the sporadic work radio and flipping burgers afforded me.
eventually the life of a mechanical and electrical technician to very large industrial machinery took over my life to a point where I was no longer able to pursue the craft of the OTA broadcast personality.

Internet radio? from my dealings and observations? a lot of well meaning people that are usually cast offs from the industry which still have the ego for the job, but not the technical, managerial, or emotional fortitude to make it.. meaning.. a bunch of insane egotistical farkers who, while well meaning, possessing of technical knowledge, are lacking actual people and management skills, take their self appointed roles entirely too far and run off anyone who can actually help them with their hobbies and turn it into the well oiled (money making) machine they want it to be.
yes, you do need to be a self centered egotistical prick to make it in the biz, but not so much that it turns off, and pisses off everyone around you.. you are playing deejay on the Internets in between disability checks.. chill the fark out ya twit!
my wife was the person doing the interwebs broadcasting, I was just offering advice, subbing here and there and making some spots when I felt like it. even managed to run a live remote of a nights worth at bands using the computers and the clubs wifi to "broadcast" over the internet they wanted to give me a show, but I just do not have the time nor energy to deal with them in anything but a passing interest. so.. there that is..

*sigh* I hope I clarified my comments :)
 
2012-04-07 09:05:06 PM
WhyteRaven74: T.M.S.: If revenue is the biggest criterion Kinkade is indeed the worlds greatest artist.

I'm pretty sure Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst make more than Kinkade.


Just you wait until word gets out Kinkade is dead. The price of those limited edition collector mugs are gonna skyrocket.

It's not like his estate is going to continue to crank out that crap after the master has passed.

That would be tacky.
 
2012-04-07 09:12:45 PM
Honestly, I thought it was the dude who painted the Jesus holding the Constitution painting at first.
 
2012-04-07 09:36:47 PM
Psycat: I forgot to add this...

The Chimp Test, or How To Determine if It's Real Art or Not

If you can't decide after five minutes if the objet d'art was created by a highly-skilled artist who put a lot of effort and inspiration into his work or slapped together by a chimpanzee who drank too many banana daiquiris, then it's probably not good art.

Sadly, most of the art created in the Misshapen Lump o' Crap School of Abstract Expressionism or the Canvas Painted All-White School of Trite Minimalism fails to pass the Chimp Test.

I remember getting into an argument with another artist on the old New York Times fora. I stated that Jackson Pollock was the most hyper-inflated non-artist who ever existed, and owes his fame to pseudo-intellectuals like Peg Guggenheim than to his actual artistic abilities. The other artist said I was an idiot and that I'd never go anywhere as an artist (!).

According to the other artist, Pollock was brilliant because he was the first one to boldly consider splattered paint as an artistic genre. Hell, I'd bet a zillion painters in the Dada movement had the bright idea of framing their drop cloths. He also said that complex scientific analysis revealed that Pollock dripped his paint in Lissajous figures. Having worked with oscilloscopes myself, I doubt that Pollock was consciously trying to work trig functions into his art. Hell, anybody who's trying to dribble paint on a canvas evenly is going to break into a Lissajous pattern after a while. No, Pollock is just another product of the artistic vacuum of the mid-20th century that also brought us ugly Bauhaus boxes, the idiotic rants of Samuel Beckett (once compared to Shakespeare), Minimalism, limited animation (Pixie and Dixie, ugh), and the world's greatest poseur, Andy Warhol.

BTW, I saw the Woody Harralson (sp?) biopic of Pollock and thought it was a very good movie about a very bad artist.

...but I digress again...


OK, then let's see your art, ya blathering genius.
 
2012-04-07 09:42:33 PM
gunther_bumpass: Minimalism, limited animation (Pixie and Dixie, ugh),

I really don't think the collective works of Hanna Barbara were ever meant to be high art, I'm pretty sure it was meant to sell corn based surgery breakfast cereal.
 
2012-04-07 09:45:43 PM
T.M.S.: Psycat: T.M.S.:
People paying for your art has nothing to do with being an artist.

Many of the worlds greatest artists never sold a single canvas.

If revenue is the biggest criterion Kinkade is indeed the worlds greatest artist.

In theory, I agree that some of the greatest artists have never sold anything. IIRC, Vincent van Gogh sold only one canvas while he was alive. Ironically, some of his paintings now sell for millions of dollars, but he'll never get a dime of it. In reality, I know several artists who make little or no revenue from their work simply because they're not very gifted in the first place.

I'd gladly live in a world where there wasn't the constant need to pay the rent but, sadly, that's not our world. If I have to bow before the throne of the Almighty Dollar, I'd rather be making money doing something I enjoy than having a job that I hate and limiting my creativity to the evenings...

It's not a theory. Many of the worlds greatest artists never made a dime from their work. It did not make them any less deserving of the title artist.

Likewise the aesthetic value of artwork has nothing to do with whether something is or is not art.

And I say that as a very successfully artist.


You've been very ambiguous in this thread with your posts. The definition of art is pretty clear or do you disagree? It's a very broad definition that many things (including Kinkade's paintings) fit within.

"Definition of ART

1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation

2 a: a branch of learning: (1) : one of the humanities (2) plural : liberal arts
b archaic : learning, scholarship

3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill

4 a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced
b (1) : fine arts (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art

5 a archaic : a skillful plan
b : the quality or state of being artful

6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter


Synonyms: craft, handcraft, handicraft, trade
Antonyms: artlessness, ineptitude, ineptness, maladroitness


art, skill, cunning, artifice, craft mean the faculty of executing well what one has devised. art implies a personal, unanalyzable creative power . skill stresses technical knowledge and proficiency . cunning suggests ingenuity and subtlety in devising, inventing, or executing . artifice suggests technical skill especially in imitating things in nature . craft may imply expertness in workmanship ."
 
2012-04-07 09:50:45 PM
Practical_Draconian: Honestly, I thought it was the dude who painted the Jesus holding the Constitution painting at first.

Now THAT artist can really paint. Excellent technique.

Wyland is another mall artist that has an overwhelming ability for self promotion. His website nearly declares himself a living diety. Of course his market is much narrower than Kinkade. Mostly sales limited to recreational scuba divers and environmentalists.

He can paint a little bit when he wants too. But most of the stuff is the same crap churned out again and again.

And the murals are just embarrassing. Check out the shiatty spray job of whales he did on 41st street below the Port Authority. (NYC) it's a stain on my beautiful city.
 
2012-04-07 09:55:50 PM
One of his lesser-know works.
i.imgur.com

A master of light.
 
2012-04-07 09:56:34 PM
soupbone: T.M.S.: Psycat: T.M.S.:
People paying for your art has nothing to do with being an artist.

Many of the worlds greatest artists never sold a single canvas.

If revenue is the biggest criterion Kinkade is indeed the worlds greatest artist.

In theory, I agree that some of the greatest artists have never sold anything. IIRC, Vincent van Gogh sold only one canvas while he was alive. Ironically, some of his paintings now sell for millions of dollars, but he'll never get a dime of it. In reality, I know several artists who make little or no revenue from their work simply because they're not very gifted in the first place.

I'd gladly live in a world where there wasn't the constant need to pay the rent but, sadly, that's not our world. If I have to bow before the throne of the Almighty Dollar, I'd rather be making money doing something I enjoy than having a job that I hate and limiting my creativity to the evenings...

It's not a theory. Many of the worlds greatest artists never made a dime from their work. It did not make them any less deserving of the title artist.

Likewise the aesthetic value of artwork has nothing to do with whether something is or is not art.

And I say that as a very successfully artist.

You've been very ambiguous in this thread with your posts. The definition of art is pretty clear or do you disagree? It's a very broad definition that many things (including Kinkade's paintings) fit within.

"Definition of ART

1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation

2 a: a branch of learning: (1) : one of the humanities (2) plural : liberal arts
b archaic : learning, scholarship

3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill

4 a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced
b (1) : fine arts (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art

5 a archaic : a skillful plan
b : the quality or state of being artful

6: decorative or illustrative elements in ...


Exactly. His paintings qualify as art. (although I don't agree with some of your definitions)

I made that point earlier.

Do you require clarification on something else?
 
2012-04-07 10:24:31 PM
Well before Kinkade became a multi-millionaire selling his kitsch paintings, he worked as a background artist on Ralph Bakshi and Frank Frazetta's animated film Fire And Ice. In a 2008 New York magazine interview, Bakshi took an affectionate swipe at his old employee:

That son of a biatch! Kinkade was the coolest. If Kinkade wasn't a painter, he'd be one of those cult leaders. Kinkade came into my office with James Gurney when I was looking for background artists [for Fire and Ice]. He's a good painter, and he did a spiel. He made all these deals. How he went out and did what he did is beyond my understanding now. He's very, very talented, and he's very, very much of a hustler. Those two things are in conflict. Is he talented? Oh yeah. Will he paint anything to make money? Oh yeah. Does he have any sort of moralistic view? No. He doesn't care about anything. He's as cheesy as they come."


more here (new window)
 
2012-04-07 10:26:20 PM
Some creepy hearsay about him being a swinger (new window).
 
2012-04-07 11:12:49 PM
solitary: If Kinkade wasn't a painter, he'd be one of those cult leaders.

You know who else decided that it he couldn't be a painter, he would be a cult leader?
 
2012-04-07 11:14:13 PM
"I guess every time I see a movie I don't like I'll stay quiet about it because I've never been in the movie industry. And I'll turn on the pop radio station and like it, dammit, cause what singles have I released?"


I like how you wrote this right after accusing someone else of whining.

Irony was lost on you, I bet.

/Art is subjective, but death isn't.
//criticizing someone's art on the occasion of their premature death is so pointless it's borderline retarded.
 
2012-04-07 11:17:00 PM
solitary: He's very, very talented, and he's very, very much of a hustler. Those two things are in conflict.

I'll go ahead and disagree with that assertion. Talented people hustle other people all the time. In fact, hustling itself is something one can be talented at.
 
2012-04-08 12:25:21 AM
gunther_bumpass: OK, then let's see your art, ya blathering genius.

OMG, I would LOVE to show my art to you--I'm damned certain you'd be either impressed or intimidated. I may be blathering, but I've been told many, many times by others that I am a genius at what I do. Unfortunately, what I do is so damned unique--I pretty much invented my own sub-genre--that I'd be instantly outed on Fark in about the 5 seconds it would take to Google me. However, if you're a troll and this devolves into a grudge match, I might out myself anyways, but I probably won't because I love the anonymity of Fark.

In 10 years of working live gigs at museums and trade shows, literally NOBODY has expressed a negative opinion on my art directly to me. Heck, I'd have no clue how to even handle a heckler if I ever did experience one. When I had my first show at the BIG museum in town in 2003, I was pretty much the darling of the local critics as well. I'm still flattered that they gave me such rave reviews for being something of an art-community outsider. My art does get some negative comments on YouTube, but it's the usual troll ranting and not any real attack on the aesthetics of my weird medium.

It's been a hell of a career, even though the money is spotty at times. I've worked gigs from Belgium (cell-phone commercial) to Iowa and everywhere in between. I actually earn anywhere from $50-$800 a month on YouTube with my videos (one just topped a million hits) and the Ad Sense program. I also have two Guinness World Record certificates and have been in the local media many, many times.

After I appeared on network television five times in the last year, I've become a very low-ranking celebrity of sorts (I tell folks they can trade 10 of my autographs for an Adam Sandler :). I still find it embarrassing when people ask me for my autograph in public--I'm something of an introvert--but I give it to them anyways because I feel a deep obligation to be kind to the fans without whom I'd have no career. People still recognize me occasionally on the street even when I'm not in my outfit.

I've got gigs lined up through next year, partially due to my 15 minutes of fame and partially due to the fact that nobody else in the world does what I do (about 90% of my techniques are my own invention). There's not as much money in my unusual genre as I'd like, but I still manage to eke out a living doing what I enjoy. In my last gig, I literally signed hundreds of autographs over a five-day period.

Again, I'd love to show that I'm not just another tiny-dicked Farker acting big on the Intranets, but I love my anonymity...

//Also, if any lurkers reading my post actually manages to figure out who I am in spite of my intentionally vague post, please cut me some slack and keep it quiet, please...
 
2012-04-08 12:31:10 AM
logic523: Kar98: logic523: I was the only framer in two shops I worked in who could hand-wrap a mat. It was pretty cool. One time I used a piece of fabric from a wedding garment to wrap the mat on a wedding photo. I made absolutely sure that they understood that I was going to be cutting.

Matte...

You probably say 'fillet' in the same way you would mention a cut of meat.

/I keed. Framing grammar-nazi points are good points.


You were right. Mat comes from matboard Crescent website (new window)

Matte is the finish on paint and or prints (not glossy)

After my time in a frame shop, I went to work for a framing supplies distributor
 
2012-04-08 12:46:21 AM
Psycat: gunther_bumpass: OK, then let's see your art, ya blathering genius.

OMG, I would LOVE to show my art to you--I'm damned certain you'd be either impressed or intimidated. I may be blathering, but I've been told many, many times by others that I am a genius at what I do. Unfortunately, what I do is so damned unique--I pretty much invented my own sub-genre--that I'd be instantly outed on Fark in about the 5 seconds it would take to Google me. However, if you're a troll and this devolves into a grudge match, I might out myself anyways, but I probably won't because I love the anonymity of Fark.

In 10 years of working live gigs at museums and trade shows, literally NOBODY has expressed a negative opinion on my art directly to me. Heck, I'd have no clue how to even handle a heckler if I ever did experience one. When I had my first show at the BIG museum in town in 2003, I was pretty much the darling of the local critics as well. I'm still flattered that they gave me such rave reviews for being something of an art-community outsider. My art does get some negative comments on YouTube, but it's the usual troll ranting and not any real attack on the aesthetics of my weird medium.

It's been a hell of a career, even though the money is spotty at times. I've worked gigs from Belgium (cell-phone commercial) to Iowa and everywhere in between. I actually earn anywhere from $50-$800 a month on YouTube with my videos (one just topped a million hits) and the Ad Sense program. I also have two Guinness World Record certificates and have been in the local media many, many times.

After I appeared on network television five times in the last year, I've become a very low-ranking celebrity of sorts (I tell folks they can trade 10 of my autographs for an Adam Sandler :). I still find it embarrassing when people ask me for my autograph in public--I'm something of an introvert--but I give it to them anyways because I feel a deep obligation to be kind to the fans without whom I'd h ...


Very amusing. But just way too over the top.

In the future tone it down a bit. You will get more bites that way.
 
2012-04-08 01:10:35 AM
T.M.S.: Very amusing. But just way too over the top.

In the future tone it down a bit. You will get more bites that way.


Reality is like that, isn't it? The funny irony is that your post is something of a reverse double-whammy anti-troll troll, due to the fact that what I wrote was mostly real, minus a bit of histrionics.

Yes, I know that 99.9% of the time, the guys who claim to be millionaire International Men of Mystery with 12" pianists and a long line of supermodel lovers are, well, stretching the truth a bit. But what about the 0.1% who aren't bullshiatting? It's actually gratifying in a way to go on teh Intranets and brag about, say, having a 12" pianist--when you actually DO have a 12" pianist.

But really, I'm not claiming much. Yes, I was on network TV, have two Guinness certificates, I work more-or-less full time at my art, and I do rarely get asked for my autograph.

It's not much compared to, say, Norman Rockwell or Michelangelo or even Kincaid, but I've probably been more successful than most of the 300-pound virgins who troll Fark, not that I'd ever accuse you of being one. I'm not exactly rolling in dough, but I do get to travel a lot and get paid modest appearance fees for doing something I love. It's very fulfilling when kids go nuts at one of my demonstrations and suddenly want to take up my art form as a hobby--I really feel that I'm giving birth to a new art form (well, kinda new)...

//BTW, when I mean 'very low-level celebrity', I mean several hierarchies below the Numa-Numa guy. People will drive out of their way just to see me personally at a gig if I'm advertised by name, but I might get recognized on the street maybe once a month at the most. Hell, minor slapstick comedian Larry Semon probably has more living fans than I do...
 
2012-04-08 01:11:31 AM
Psycat: OMG, I would LOVE to show my art to you--I'm damned certain you'd be either impressed or intimidated. I may be blathering, but I've been told many, many times by others that I am a genius at what I do.

You're blathering. You also seem to harbor the inflated ego of a misunderstood artist, so I'm not sure if you're trolling, and not really an artist, or really an artist, and unintentionally trolling.

But if you're an artist, you'll count this as "art" - so it's all good. If you're a troll, someone else will call it "art" - so it's all good.
 
2012-04-08 01:20:07 AM
Lsherm: Psycat: OMG, I would LOVE to show my art to you--I'm damned certain you'd be either impressed or intimidated. I may be blathering, but I've been told many, many times by others that I am a genius at what I do.

You're blathering. You also seem to harbor the inflated ego of a misunderstood artist, so I'm not sure if you're trolling, and not really an artist, or really an artist, and unintentionally trolling.

But if you're an artist, you'll count this as "art" - so it's all good. If you're a troll, someone else will call it "art" - so it's all good.


I was willing to give points until the 12 inch pianist bit. (Repeated twice)

What started as an amusing bit of performance art (although unoriginal. Remember the Asian Prince?) It quickly veered sharply into simple troll.
 
2012-04-08 01:22:03 AM
Lsherm: You're blathering. You also seem to harbor the inflated ego of a misunderstood artist, so I'm not sure if you're trolling, and not really an artist, or really an artist, and unintentionally trolling.


Of course I'm blathering--blathering makes for good interviews. Heck, less than two weeks ago, I told a radio interviewer in Davenport, Iowa that if I got tired at my gig, I'd wander over to Davenport and find some sort of couch or sofa or, um, something to lie down on. I actually got a laugh out of that one. Not that it's particularly relevant, but impromptu blathering is one of my strong points.

Actually, I have the inflated ego of an increasingly successful artist who's finally realizing that my Asperger's Syndrome is actually an asset of sorts. In reality, I'm a pretty down-to-earth guy, but it's really fulfilling to see that all the weird stuff I invented over the years is paying off. When I think about it, I really did come up with some fun ideas over the years--I don't care if other people use my ideas, but I would appreciate it if they'd just give me credit for creating them in the first place.


But if you're an artist, you'll count this as "art" - so it's all good. If you're a troll, someone else will call it "art" - so it's all good.


I'm not sure what you mean by "art" in your sentence. Troll posts? Kincaid? Fark? Your accusation of me not really being an artist? However, I do agree that pretty much anything that anybody calls 'art' is art in some abstract way just as anybody who ever scribbled a note is an 'author'; the hard part is to do it professionally.
 
2012-04-08 01:31:09 AM
T.M.S.: I was willing to give points until the 12 inch pianist bit. (Repeated twice)


I'm not claiming to literally have a 12" pianist, Sherlock. That was simply an analogy (heh, heh, I said 'anal'). No, the smug part is that I really am a somewhat successful artist who has done all that I claimed. I do love it when you're simply accusing me of being a troll. You might actually be a member yet of the Triple-Digit IQ Club and this is just a ruse to get me to out myself. If so, it's not going to work because I've decided that even if I told you who I was, you'd still accuse me of being an imposter. So I guess you really zugzwanged yourself there, dude.


What started as an amusing bit of performance art (although unoriginal. Remember the Asian Prince?) It quickly veered sharply into simple troll.


I'll take this as performance art and I for one give me a 10/10 for being over the top. That pretty much describes my art form, not to mention the epic time-travel novel that I hope to finish sometime before the Second Coming. Or I'm just a troll who's trollery is several orders of magnitude more deft than you can wrap your head around. Either way, this is kinda fun, isn't it?
 
2012-04-08 01:42:29 AM
Psycat: T.M.S.: I was willing to give points until the 12 inch pianist bit. (Repeated twice)


I'm not claiming to literally have a 12" pianist, Sherlock. That was simply an analogy (heh, heh, I said 'anal'). No, the smug part is that I really am a somewhat successful artist who has done all that I claimed. I do love it when you're simply accusing me of being a troll. You might actually be a member yet of the Triple-Digit IQ Club and this is just a ruse to get me to out myself. If so, it's not going to work because I've decided that even if I told you who I was, you'd still accuse me of being an imposter. So I guess you really zugzwanged yourself there, dude.


What started as an amusing bit of performance art (although unoriginal. Remember the Asian Prince?) It quickly veered sharply into simple troll.

I'll take this as performance art and I for one give me a 10/10 for being over the top. That pretty much describes my art form, not to mention the epic time-travel novel that I hope to finish sometime before the Second Coming. Or I'm just a troll who's trollery is several orders of magnitude more deft than you can wrap your head around. Either way, this is kinda fun, isn't it?


He's in an e-dick measuring contest with you. Look at his profile. He's had a muppet in his likeness created. He also (at least by his claims in the years I've seen him on fark) knows several celebrities. I can't remember exactly what he does but it's something in Hollywood.
 
2012-04-08 01:43:11 AM
This bit was amusing in the nineties.

Asian Prince (new window)

You have a nice night. I gotta go play Easter Bunny for my kids.
 
2012-04-08 01:48:46 AM
soupbone: Psycat: T.M.S.: I was willing to give points until the 12 inch pianist bit. (Repeated twice)


I'm not claiming to literally have a 12" pianist, Sherlock. That was simply an analogy (heh, heh, I said 'anal'). No, the smug part is that I really am a somewhat successful artist who has done all that I claimed. I do love it when you're simply accusing me of being a troll. You might actually be a member yet of the Triple-Digit IQ Club and this is just a ruse to get me to out myself. If so, it's not going to work because I've decided that even if I told you who I was, you'd still accuse me of being an imposter. So I guess you really zugzwanged yourself there, dude.


What started as an amusing bit of performance art (although unoriginal. Remember the Asian Prince?) It quickly veered sharply into simple troll.

I'll take this as performance art and I for one give me a 10/10 for being over the top. That pretty much describes my art form, not to mention the epic time-travel novel that I hope to finish sometime before the Second Coming. Or I'm just a troll who's trollery is several orders of magnitude more deft than you can wrap your head around. Either way, this is kinda fun, isn't it?

He's in an e-dick measuring contest with you. Look at his profile. He's had a muppet in his likeness created. He also (at least by his claims in the years I've seen him on fark) knows several celebrities. I can't remember exactly what he does but it's something in Hollywood.


Actually, I found his website and TMS has a pretty cool portfolio. I'm not gonna link it, but he's has some interesting projects. I would imagine if you're a pseudo-celebrity, you should consider discussing things with TMS. Both of you guys apparently work in similar fields.
 
2012-04-08 01:51:04 AM
One last post before I get busy on my next project...

Actually, I weigh 320 pounds, live in the rear of my momma's single-wide, am a 42-year-old virgin, work as an assistant fry cook at the local McDonald's, and really hate my life so much that I troll the Internet from the local rehab center. I made up all that stuff about being a moderately successful artist and traveling and being on TV just because it brings a gleam of light into my pitiful existence. I trust that you Fark intellectuals won't take my previous posts at face value...
 
2012-04-08 01:52:09 AM
Psycat: T.M.S.: I was willing to give points until the 12 inch pianist bit. (Repeated twice)


I'm not claiming to literally have a 12" pianist, Sherlock. That was simply an analogy (heh, heh, I said 'anal'). No, the smug part is that I really am a somewhat successful artist who has done all that I claimed. I do love it when you're simply accusing me of being a troll. You might actually be a member yet of the Triple-Digit IQ Club and this is just a ruse to get me to out myself. If so, it's not going to work because I've decided that even if I told you who I was, you'd still accuse me of being an imposter. So I guess you really zugzwanged yourself there, dude.


What started as an amusing bit of performance art (although unoriginal. Remember the Asian Prince?) It quickly veered sharply into simple troll.

I'll take this as performance art and I for one give me a 10/10 for being over the top. That pretty much describes my art form, not to mention the epic time-travel novel that I hope to finish sometime before the Second Coming. Or I'm just a troll who's trollery is several orders of magnitude more deft than you can wrap your head around. Either way, this is kinda fun, isn't it?


wow the thread is still going on...interesting. Oh and you may be all that and a bag a chips. But seriously tone down the bragging. That is great that you have accomplished a lot in life. It's always good to see people succeeding. But you are not going to impress people much with your "world records" and whatnot by throwing it in their faces. I could prattle off a list of things i have done as well but who cares? That doesn't mean a damn thing about me as an artist overall. Because to me when an "artist" has to brag about every accomplishment then they have fallen into the simple trap of the "art" world. Hey look at me I'm an ARTIST! I've done lots of cool things! Pay attention to ME! Love ME! versus doing the art because that is what you have to do. Oh and here are some of my pictures...critique away...
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-04-08 02:01:29 AM
Tellingthem:
Oh and you may be all that and a bag a chips. But seriously tone down the bragging. That is great that you have accomplished a lot in life. It's always good to see people succeeding. But you are not going to impress people much with your "world records" and whatnot by throwing it in their faces.


In my defense, I didn't start out that way. I foolishly let myself get lured in by a certain Farker named gunther_bumpass who wrote "OK, then let's see your art, ya blathering genius."

Until then, I was actually being low-key, at least for myself. I really don't brag much in real life, but I do take pride in what I do...

//anyhoo, I really have to get to work
///I tend to have vampire hours between gigs
////but fark has been actually interesting for the last few hours
 
2012-04-08 02:04:48 AM
Tellingthem: Psycat: T.M.S.: I was willing to give points until the 12 inch pianist bit. (Repeated twice)


I'm not claiming to literally have a 12" pianist, Sherlock. That was simply an analogy (heh, heh, I said 'anal'). No, the smug part is that I really am a somewhat successful artist who has done all that I claimed. I do love it when you're simply accusing me of being a troll. You might actually be a member yet of the Triple-Digit IQ Club and this is just a ruse to get me to out myself. If so, it's not going to work because I've decided that even if I told you who I was, you'd still accuse me of being an imposter. So I guess you really zugzwanged yourself there, dude.


What started as an amusing bit of performance art (although unoriginal. Remember the Asian Prince?) It quickly veered sharply into simple troll.

I'll take this as performance art and I for one give me a 10/10 for being over the top. That pretty much describes my art form, not to mention the epic time-travel novel that I hope to finish sometime before the Second Coming. Or I'm just a troll who's trollery is several orders of magnitude more deft than you can wrap your head around. Either way, this is kinda fun, isn't it?

wow the thread is still going on...interesting. Oh and you may be all that and a bag a chips. But seriously tone down the bragging. That is great that you have accomplished a lot in life. It's always good to see people succeeding. But you are not going to impress people much with your "world records" and whatnot by throwing it in their faces. I could prattle off a list of things i have done as well but who cares? That doesn't mean a damn thing about me as an artist overall. Because to me when an "artist" has to brag about every accomplishment then they have fallen into the simple trap of the "art" world. Hey look at me I'm an ARTIST! I've done lots of cool things! Pay attention to ME! Love ME! versus doing the art because that is what you have to do. Oh and here are some of my pictur ...


Good tone, good subject, good lighting, horrible composition. All center-subject. No rule of 3rds, no asymmetric framing. Work on your composition. The shoe shot might work better with a truly black background for effect (or not). Great bokeh on the trumpet. Missed the point of peak action and/or of paused momentum on the second-from-bottom shot, so some anticipation of action without the actual action. Need a bit more for that shot to work for me.

In the end, we take photos for ourselves. Maybe you are highly successful. I have been shooting for over a decade and am having my first gallery showing. Maybe you have had dozens. I dunno. You asked for advice and this is anonymous, so some brutality is warranted. Work on your composition; these are not very good specifically because of it.
 
2012-04-08 02:05:51 AM
soupbone: Actually, I found his website and TMS has a pretty cool portfolio. I'm not gonna link it, but he's has some interesting projects. I would imagine if you're a pseudo-celebrity, you should consider discussing things with TMS. Both of you guys apparently work in similar fields.

Apparently work in similar fields? How could you possibly know what I do?

/anyhoo, I have to get to busy, but I might check back later...
 
2012-04-08 02:12:36 AM
Psycat: I'm not sure what you mean by "art" in your sentence. Troll posts? Kincaid? Fark? Your accusation of me not really being an artist? However, I do agree that pretty much anything that anybody calls 'art' is art in some abstract way just as anybody who ever scribbled a note is an 'author'; the hard part is to do it professionally.

Actually, I wasn't accusing you of not really being an artist. I was putting "art" in quotes because it doesn't really have a definition. Kinkade created "art" just as much as Picasso did, just probably not as well. Your assertion that someone would be "impressed or intimidated" was pretty damn egotistical, though. It's entirely possible someone could look at whatever you did and just be nonplussed about it.

And then you went on about Asperger's, which in my experience is used by people as a crutch for being rude and isolated. It's a spectrum disorder, and you obviously aren't on the damaging end of it, otherwise you wouldn't be on Fark bragging about your success. I suspect you only brought it up because you saw another post I made about Asperger's. You wanted me to comment on it, and you think by mentioning it you are either some kind of genius, or at the very least an accomplished troll.

So really, I'm guessing this entire exchange is some kind of performance art on your part, or my part, because I don't think at this point you're telling the truth. I didn't think you were before, but Asperger's sealed it.

That's probably "art" - with the quotes. Go nuts.
 
2012-04-08 02:20:29 AM
PC LOAD LETTER:

Good tone, good subject, good lighting, horrible composition. All center-subject. No rule of 3rds, no asymmetric framing. Work on your composition. The shoe shot might work better with a truly black background for effect (or not). Great bokeh on the trumpet. Missed the point of peak action and/or of paused momentum on the second-from-bottom shot, so some anticipation of action without the actual action. Need a bit more for that shot to work for me.

In the end, we take photos for ourselves. Maybe you are highly successful. I have been shooting for over a decade and am having my first gallery showing. Maybe you have had dozens. I dunno. You asked for advice and this is anonymous, so some brutality is warranted. Work on your composition; these are not very good specifically because of it.


Thanks: honestly these were all from a folder i had made for a project. I just grabbed the first four real quick without any thought to picking out my best shots, or different, or whatever. And I will never shy away from honest critique. That is how you get better as an artist. (also i figured it was only fair to throw some of my work out there)

i like to shoot documentary style and to be honest I don't consider anything I shoot to be "art". I'm mostly influenced by war photography strangely enough. I do not crop,edit,touch up, or photoshop anything. I could into even more detail about why i shoot the way i do but that would take hours haha. But thanks for your opinions I always appreciate them.
 
2012-04-08 02:21:23 AM
small quote from my website from an essay I wont link to: "Art must support itself". Kincade was very good at doing that.
 
2012-04-08 02:32:29 AM
Lsherm: Actually, I wasn't accusing you of not really being an artist. I was putting "art" in quotes because it doesn't really have a definition. Kinkade created "art" just as much as Picasso did, just probably not as well. Your assertion that someone would be "impressed or intimidated" was pretty damn egotistical, though. It's entirely possible someone could look at whatever you did and just be nonplussed about it.


My bragging post was in response to some other nasty person named gunther bumpass who challenged me. I'll confess, though, that I do like to rattle the cages of insecure people who feel the constant need to knock everybody else down to their level.


And then you went on about Asperger's, which in my experience is used by people as a crutch for being rude and isolated. It's a spectrum disorder, and you obviously aren't on the damaging end of it, otherwise you wouldn't be on Fark bragging about your success.


One of the reasons I did so well on TV last year was that there was a lot of audience identification with me because my Asperger's was pretty obvious. Oh, and they enjoyed what I did pretty well, too. Also, if you accuse Aspies of being rude and isolated, do you also insult quadriplegics and epileptics as well? BTW, I got along very well with the network people (like just about everybody else I meet in real life) because I don't act rude and isolated, and because most people are actually decent and cut some slack towards Aspies instead of insulting them.


I suspect you only brought it up because you saw another post I made about Asperger's. You wanted me to comment on it, and you think by mentioning it you are either some kind of genius, or at the very least an accomplished troll.


What post? I never read the post you're referring to. Did you insult Aspies in that one as well? Maybe I'm not the one who's rude and isolated.


So really, I'm guessing this entire exchange is some kind of performance art on your part, or my part, because I don't think at this point you're telling the truth. I didn't think you were before, but Asperger's sealed it.


Performance art that got you riled up. What's probably eating away at an insecure troll like yourself is the fear that I may actually be telling the truth about my artistic accomplishments (I left out a lot of details, BTW). Or I'm just another pathetic 300# troll. Please feel free to psychologically project away if you'd like.

//Anyways, I should get busy, but it's really a dull project and this is more fun...
 
2012-04-08 05:43:14 AM
Psycat: Please feel free to psychologically project away if you'd like.

how 'bout this?
Shut up or put up.
 
2012-04-08 06:34:36 AM
mr lawson:
how 'bout this?
Shut up or put up.


As 30s comedian Joe E. Brown would say, "Nyyyyyyowww!"

/yes, I'm a troll and no, I'm not really listening to Lost Discs Radio Show podcasts with Jim E. Night while dying a massive amount of art supplies and popping in on Fark on occasion...

//and even if I were the Real McCoy, you wouldn't believe me anyways, so why bother? and if you're trying to tease it out of me, good luck

///besides, I still maintain that silent slapstick comedian Larry Semon (or Monty Banks, or some other second-string comedian like Billy West for that matter) is still far more popular than I am...

////all that matters is that I get gigs on a consistent-enough basis...

//i'm a bit crazier than my public persona, but in a harmless way...
 
2012-04-08 06:42:49 AM
Hint before I go back to work: I will never let on whether I'm a troll or a (moderately) successful artist. Your best bet is to ask deep art-related questions and see if I give out enough shibboleths to indicate whether I'm an artist or a poseur. And not pointlessly vague questions like "What inspired you?", but real nitty-gritty questions--talk shop, please. Difficulty: I didn't enter the art world in the conventional way with an MFA or something like that...
 
2012-04-08 07:08:49 AM
Psycat: Blah, blah blah

Shut up or put up.

Or are you afraid your work will be unfavorably critique by the anonymous farkers.
 
2012-04-08 07:09:27 AM
err... html fail
 
2012-04-08 07:28:01 AM
mr lawson: Or are you afraid your work will be unfavorably critique by the anonymous farkers.

Thank you for touching upon that subject. My dad is a very good artist in his own right, doing everything from oil painting to making furniture to carving animals, but one thing that stifled him from the beginning was that he was too afraid of critics.

Critics don't scare me. Professional art critics have been surprisingly supportive of me, and their criticism means more than the usual Fark malcontents (a small percentage, I hope) who are likely to run me down. Also, the public's response has been overwhelmingly positive--I still haven't had one person come up to me during a live exhibition and tell me he/she thought my art sucked, and even if somebody did, it wouldn't bother me because my self-confidence is Teflon(TM)-coated. I survived worse. Even the negative comments my videos occasionally receive (the likes outweigh the dislikes by a comfortable margin) are from trolls who are more interested in projecting their own hangups on me than any real aesthetic criticism.

Not that my art is without its flaws. I do accept constructive criticism from friends and fellow artists who are actually trying to help me succeed--so I don't move in and live on their couches ;)

Seriously, I would LOVE to post just one teensy-weensy link to my YouTube page because I could really use the Ad Sense revenue. Actually, I wouldn't even care if nobody really thought that I'm who I claim to be as long as it draws traffic to my YouTube channel or my website which has embedded video and earns me revenue as well. On the other hand, while most Farkers seem almost civilized, I don't want to bothered with the major-league crazies on this website. That's what makes me reluctant to out myself...
 
2012-04-08 09:26:55 AM
Psycat: mr lawson: Or are you afraid your work will be unfavorably critique by the anonymous farkers.

Thank you for touching upon that subject. My dad is a very good artist in his own right, doing everything from oil painting to making furniture to carving animals, but one thing that stifled him from the beginning was that he was too afraid of critics.

Critics don't scare me. Professional art critics have been surprisingly supportive of me, and their criticism means more than the usual Fark malcontents (a small percentage, I hope) who are likely to run me down. Also, the public's response has been overwhelmingly positive--I still haven't had one person come up to me during a live exhibition and tell me he/she thought my art sucked, and even if somebody did, it wouldn't bother me because my self-confidence is Teflon(TM)-coated. I survived worse. Even the negative comments my videos occasionally receive (the likes outweigh the dislikes by a comfortable margin) are from trolls who are more interested in projecting their own hangups on me than any real aesthetic criticism.

Not that my art is without its flaws. I do accept constructive criticism from friends and fellow artists who are actually trying to help me succeed--so I don't move in and live on their couches ;)

Seriously, I would LOVE to post just one teensy-weensy link to my YouTube page because I could really use the Ad Sense revenue. Actually, I wouldn't even care if nobody really thought that I'm who I claim to be as long as it draws traffic to my YouTube channel or my website which has embedded video and earns me revenue as well. On the other hand, while most Farkers seem almost civilized, I don't want to bothered with the major-league crazies on this website. That's what makes me reluctant to out myself...


I never do the Farktography thing because of this. I don't care what the benefit is, I have made too many enemies and this is still the Interblags.
 
2012-04-08 10:48:43 AM
Krikkitbot: logic523: Kar98: logic523: I was the only framer in two shops I worked in who could hand-wrap a mat. It was pretty cool. One time I used a piece of fabric from a wedding garment to wrap the mat on a wedding photo. I made absolutely sure that they understood that I was going to be cutting.

Matte...

You probably say 'fillet' in the same way you would mention a cut of meat.

/I keed. Framing grammar-nazi points are good points.

You were right. Mat comes from matboard Crescent website (new window)

Matte is the finish on paint and or prints (not glossy)

After my time in a frame shop, I went to work for a framing supplies distributor


Clicking that Crescent link took me back a few years. After my time in a frame shop, I became an assistant professor of philosophy. I'm so sick of frames, I don't even have my PhD framed. It's in a box in my closet. I suppose if I could frame it myself I would get it framed, but no shop is just going to let me do that. The insurance issues are too risky.
 
2012-04-08 10:52:41 AM
Psycat: Critics don't scare me

Yeah, apparently they do.
 
2012-04-08 06:53:27 PM
Cerebral Knievel: *sigh* I hope I clarified my comments :)

WHCE-FM Highland Springs - Henrico County Schools
Ch. 216A (91.1) 3.0 kW ERP / 32 m HAAT

The height's right, but your power estimate has to be off. You wouldn't get "the whole county" or even any good part of it at only 100 ERP. You might at 100 TPO, if the tower was a lot higher, but it's clearly not. 100 W TPO at 32 m HAAT (about 105 ft.) would give you a 60 dBu range of around 6 km radius, max. Moreover, WHCE's actual tower 'height' (AGL) is 20 m, closer to 65 feet; the HAAT then refers to that tower being on some kind of hill or large building -- looks like about three stories up, from the numbers. (Meaning, when they told you a hundred feet, they meant the height above average terrain, not the height of the actual tower.) 3 kW ERP will definitely reach a whole Virginia county, though. WHCE's website gives their power as 3000 Watts.
 
2012-04-08 07:23:02 PM
T.M.S.: Wyland is another mall artist that has an overwhelming ability for self promotion. His website nearly declares himself a living diety. Of course his market is much narrower than Kinkade. Mostly sales limited to recreational scuba divers and environmentalists.

He can paint a little bit when he wants too. But most of the stuff is the same crap churned out again and again.

And the murals are just embarrassing. Check out the shiatty spray job of whales he did on 41st street below the Port Authority. (NYC) it's a stain on my beautiful city.


Heh. I've seen this guy's stuff. The murals that have been destroyed are listed as 'Extinct' on his Whaling Walls pages. I remember when WW 39 ("Finback Wales" - 145 Crary Street, Providence) was destroyed. (The old Cassiere Machinery Co. building it was painted on was razed for a highway project.) There was a local outcry to save it because it was "great art". Then a lot of local artists chimed in, saying, "Yeah, er, not so much, akshully."

Someone else has been doing this, too, though, maybe several people, and for a lot longer. I remember similar giant marine murals from my youth in Connecticut, often on the sides of cinemas. One in Hamden I remember, and I think there was one in Wallingford, too. This was decades ago, long before Wyland started his Whaling Walls project.

To be entirely fair to Wyland on the whole, whatever his artistic merits, he seems to be very devoted to conservation issues, which I find commendable.
 
2012-04-08 07:28:34 PM
Lsherm: solitary: He's very, very talented, and he's very, very much of a hustler. Those two things are in conflict.

I'll go ahead and disagree with that assertion. Talented people hustle other people all the time. In fact, hustling itself is something one can be talented at.


I think Bakshi's assessment had more to do with degrees ("very, very"). Like, you can be a Catholic who likes sex. But being a cloistered nun and a nymphomaniac would definitely "be in conflict". (For real, I mean. Yes, I'm aware of porn.)
 
2012-04-08 07:40:57 PM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Cerebral Knievel: *sigh* I hope I clarified my comments :)

WHCE-FM Highland Springs - Henrico County Schools
Ch. 216A (91.1) 3.0 kW ERP / 32 m HAAT

The height's right, but your power estimate has to be off. You wouldn't get "the whole county" or even any good part of it at only 100 ERP. You might at 100 TPO, if the tower was a lot higher, but it's clearly not. 100 W TPO at 32 m HAAT (about 105 ft.) would give you a 60 dBu range of around 6 km radius, max. Moreover, WHCE's actual tower 'height' (AGL) is 20 m, closer to 65 feet; the HAAT then refers to that tower being on some kind of hill or large building -- looks like about three stories up, from the numbers. (Meaning, when they told you a hundred feet, they meant the height above average terrain, not the height of the actual tower.) 3 kW ERP will definitely reach a whole Virginia county, though. WHCE's website gives their power as 3000 Watts.


They must have upgraded!
it reached all the county schools, when I was there, although, very begrudgingly.The school and the transmitter were in the East end, and I lived in the west end, I had a very nice reciever at home, with a very nice antenna, and I got it quite clear, if the weather was co-operating. driving home I could usually keep the signal till I got three quarters of the way home.. line of sight? I would guess about 15 miles.

Like I said.. it was many years ago, I really haven't kept track since I was there in the class. I think there was a period of about three years they weren't broadcasting live over the air because the transmitter had finally given up the ghost. I don't know if the electronics class teacher in the class next door, who was also the stations engineer finally got it back up and running, or they managed to get the county to get them a new one.
I'll have to check out the website and see what they've been up to.

but you are right, the radio station mostly serviced Highland springs high and vo-tech. Henrico high, Varinia high school. and East Gate high. As well as the schools in the city to a degree, but those schools were part of a different school district and didn't really count.
I was a board monkey and a jock. all that science I didn't understand, it was just my job, five days a week. A ROCK IT, MAN!!
 
Displayed 50 of 407 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »





Report