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(Mother Jones)   Showing that the Senate has not dulled his sense of humor, Sen. Al Franken sends out the BEST. FUNDRAISING LETTER. EVER   (motherjones.com) divider line 139
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2012-04-07 02:48:16 AM
Al Franken: I has pubic hair on top of my head
 
2012-04-07 02:49:15 AM

sugardave: Dansker: bobbette: The nerds, of course

The nerd forgot to plug in his C64.

I think that's a VIC-20


You're right. Nerd.
 
2012-04-07 03:34:56 AM
His fund-raising letter included his immediate resignation?
 
2012-04-07 03:43:05 AM
Don't know squat about whoever it is that's running against him, but from the comments here, it must suck to be you if:

1) you agree with Franken on most everything except SOPA, while
2) his opponent also supports SOPA, but also supports everything you hate...

...seeing as how you still have to vote against Franken. But, hey, at least you'll get your point across. Good luck with that.
 
2012-04-07 06:27:51 AM
Anyone stupid enough to donate $$$ to any politician should never be allowed to vote.

/farking morons.
 
2012-04-07 06:37:12 AM
Letter: not bad.
This thread: train wreck.
 
2012-04-07 06:44:55 AM

DrippinBalls: Anyone stupid enough to donate $$$ to any politician should never be allowed to vote.

/farking morons.


Yep. Much better to just let corporations pay for them.
 
2012-04-07 06:46:33 AM

Alphax: Letter: not bad.
This thread: train wreck.


Kinda par for the course for the Politics tab though.
 
2012-04-07 08:02:14 AM
I love that a couple people found a way to knock some stupid campaign donation letter. Quite impressive.
 
2012-04-07 08:26:31 AM

bulldg4life: I love that a couple people found a way to knock some stupid campaign donation letter. Quite impressive.


Fark is a magnet for high achievers.
 
2012-04-07 09:34:01 AM

bobbette: I don't think there are stock photos yet for Farkers


sharpknees.jpg
 
2012-04-07 09:37:29 AM
What would be funny is if the woman in the photo turned out to be a hard core Republican.
 
2012-04-07 10:19:05 AM
image.shutterstock.com

What do you think Dutchess? Should we vote for Franken?
 
2012-04-07 10:33:18 AM

Neeek: whidbey: Yeah but come on.

Why did Franken vote for NDAA and SOPA?

I know, I know. It's a wet blanket for this thread.

No farking clue. I do, however, doubt his opponent would have done differently and I don't know who that is.


So if presented with a politician who wants to cut your legs off, and a politician who wants to cut your arms off, you'd still support one? This is supposed to be a representative republic, not a lesser of 2 evils republic. Support who you actually like instead of who you think can win.
 
2012-04-07 10:35:59 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Neeek: whidbey: Yeah but come on.

Why did Franken vote for NDAA and SOPA?

I know, I know. It's a wet blanket for this thread.

No farking clue. I do, however, doubt his opponent would have done differently and I don't know who that is.

So if presented with a politician who wants to cut your legs off, and a politician who wants to cut your arms off, you'd still support one? This is supposed to be a representative republic, not a lesser of 2 evils republic. Support who you actually like instead of who you think can win.


The Republican-Democratic Electoral Machine won't allow that, and in fact have succeeded in making people think that the guys who wanna harvest limbs are the only electable candidates. They've effectively castrated the will of voters to vote outside the box.

/PICK. ANOTHER. NAME.
 
2012-04-07 10:36:20 AM
If you're a single issue voter, and your issue is SOPA, fark you and the selfish little bubble you inhabit.

Fifty million on food stamps, half of them children, and that program has already been cut in budget compromises.

Young men and women sent off to fight for oil, their minds and bodies shattered by four, five, six deployments, and the righties are clamoring for another round to service our Saudi masters.

Unemployment/underemployment at fourteen frickin percent - one in ix people who need to work can't fnd a job or are struggling along with part time.

Fifty million with no health insurance.

Jerkwads who want to force 12 year old girls who have been raped to bear that child.

And the most important, vitak, deal breaker issue facing the nation today, for you, is whether you can get all the internet you want.

Fark you up every self-centered orifice you possess I hope you lose your job, or trust fund or your mommy's credit card or whatever you use to pay for your xbox 360 account and have to survive on SNAP and the kindness of strangers. Maybe then you'll learn that your bittorrent needs aren't the most importaht farking thing on the planet you selfish piece of slime.
 
2012-04-07 10:43:07 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: SOPA


LOTS OF THIS
 
2012-04-07 10:43:37 AM
"Whaddya say sugar, spare $5 for Al?"
www.colourbox.com
 
2012-04-07 10:54:44 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Neeek: whidbey: Yeah but come on.

Why did Franken vote for NDAA and SOPA?

I know, I know. It's a wet blanket for this thread.

No farking clue. I do, however, doubt his opponent would have done differently and I don't know who that is.

So if presented with a politician who wants to cut your legs off, and a politician who wants to cut your arms off, you'd still support one? This is supposed to be a representative republic, not a lesser of 2 evils republic. Support who you actually like instead of who you think can win.


No one is trying to cut off your limbs.

The voting system works by electing the candidate who MOST reflects your beliefs of how government should behave. Two years from now, hopefuls will recognize what gets votes, and you'll have much better choices. No one candidate is going to support EVERYTHING you want - and if you're waiting for that guy, just toss your voter registration card now. If you don't like it, go move to (insert country where you're the only person allowed to vote).

And before you get out your broad brush: I don't support SOPA either, but I'd rather send him a letter explaining my viewpoint because he seems like an intelligent man capable of rational discussion who actually gives a damn.
 
2012-04-07 10:58:56 AM
Can't stand Franken. Can't stand his politics. Thought that was funny as hell...

/ golfclap
 
2012-04-07 11:16:07 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Unless the letter consists of him begging for forgiveness for backing SOPA I'm not interested. He blew his credibility with that position.


Yeah. This.
 
2012-04-07 11:17:09 AM

sno man: That he completely missed that all the benefit was for the industry and not the performers is still a mystery...


It's because all the Slashdot types being all like "He supported SOPA so I'll nevar evar support him" turned their websites black rather than write their elected representatives a personal letter explaining their point of view.
 
2012-04-07 11:23:05 AM
I have to say, Woman Picking out Fruit in Supermarket is pretty hot.
 
2012-04-07 11:26:06 AM
When I'm not blowing shiat up...

i1208.photobucket.com

...I'm sending Al Franken money!

committee for stockphoto fighter pilots not currently blowing shiat up
 
2012-04-07 12:00:09 PM

I Like Bread: No one candidate is going to support EVERYTHING you want - and if you're waiting for that guy, just toss your voter registration card now. If you don't like it, go move to (insert country where you're the only person allowed to vote).


You jest perhaps, but this "Just vote your heart, maaan" advice really is the game theory equivalent of pretending you're the only autonomous agent around. It's like looking at an indefinitely-repeated Prisoner's Dilemma locked in a stable pattern of cooperation and thinking "Well gee. This getup is kinda good, but the one where I defect is even better for me, so I'll vote for that!", not realizing that your overture towards this mirage of personal utopia will only increase the likelihood of a real-world outcome you're worse off. Worse off than if you'd just had the sense to "settle" for a less lofty goal that you could actually reasonably expect to attain.

If you vote for someone who you know for certain can't win, all you're doing is increasing the likelihood of the worse (for you, anyway) viable candidate winning, relative to a situation where you voted for the "lesser evil".
 
2012-04-07 12:14:32 PM

Dr Benway: Don't know squat about whoever it is that's running against him, but from the comments here, it must suck to be you if:

1) you agree with Franken on most everything except SOPA, while
2) his opponent also supports SOPA, but also supports everything you hate...

...seeing as how you still have to vote against Franken. But, hey, at least you'll get your point across. Good luck with that.


Separate out voting and donating. You can vote for the lesser of two (or however many) evils, because they're less evil. But you can also support the primary challenger of the lesser evil and tell the lesser evil to fark off when he asks you for your money.

DrippinBalls: Anyone stupid enough to donate $$$ to any politician should never be allowed to vote.

/farking morons.


If we're morons, you must be the first person posting on Fark from within a persistent vegetative state. I'll give you a quick Politics and Money 101. People give money to politicians (or whatever political or social causes they support) to better enable them to advocate for their interests. They want people who hold views they agree with to win and people who hold views they disagree with to lose, and a lot of the difference between winning and losing is a ton of cash. Or if they're well off, they donate to exert even more influence on the winners they pick. Writing a letter to try to influence a politician is not nearly as effective as writing a cheque, which is an unfortunate thing, but also reality. And when a lot of people are organized and write cheques on the same issues, when they're well-networked, they can be considered to have power as a bloc (although obviously not as much as the superwealthy donors, people like Steve Bing or David Geffen.) Good examples of this kind of networked influence: people who support reproductive rights, Jewish Americans and gays operate (in this example largely within the Democratic Party) as highly tuned-in and highly networked blocs, with their own PACs and lobby organizations, to funnel money to candidates who are favourable to them on key policy issues. In the United States quite a lot of a politician's work is begging for money, and tapping into these networks can make a difference in out-fundraising opponents.

Let me give you an example of how the need to fundraise impacts politicians' actions w/r/t individual donors and bloc donors. Obama has been assiduously courting the gays for about the past year, which has gone largely unnoticed in the mainstream media but isn't at all subtle if you read the LGBT media or his fundraising letters to LGBT supporters. I'm not saying he backloaded most of his first term's agenda on LGBT rights to late 2011 to fire up this part of his base and get them to sing his praises while opening their wallets but... okay, that's exactly what happened, and it's super effective.

So here is the cycle: money -> put in place politicians you like -> politicians' decisions take into account keeping you happy so you'll give them more -> money and votes by the next election (if you leverage your influence well enough.)
 
2012-04-07 12:14:52 PM

SphericalTime: Awesome. Love the second ask.


Why do I hear people using "ask" as a noun now? It's horribly annoying.
We already have a word that means what you want to say. It's called "REQUEST". Ask is a verb not a noun. Please cut this monster's head off before it grows any bigger. I've come very close to yelling at people where I work for doing this.
 
2012-04-07 12:24:38 PM

WombatControl: Can't stand Franken. Can't stand his politics. Thought that was funny as hell...


That's strange. I like Franken but didn't find the letter that funny. Maybe it's just me. No, It is just me. Sorry, It's me. My medicine ran out a few days ago and . . .
 
2012-04-07 12:24:52 PM

bboy: sno man: That he completely missed that all the benefit was for the industry and not the performers is still a mystery...

It's because all the Slashdot types being all like "He supported SOPA so I'll nevar evar support him" turned their websites black rather than write their elected representatives a personal letter explaining their point of view.


That's actually not what happened. Much of the SOPA blackout campaign directed people specifically to contact their representatives: almost every website publicized how to write effective letters to these representatives. And Congress was overwhelmed with contacts from the general public on the SOPA issue, directly mobilized by the websites that were threatened. The website blackout (including Fark, which had a pretty hilarious take on SOPA) was a hugely effective PR move and generated incredible amounts of media interest relatively quickly for a bunch of people who are, how shall I put it, shoddily organized as a lobby. Not only was it the top story in the US for days on end, it was very high profile internationally. I was very surprised and pleased with how well the initial SOPA campaign took off, and I hope there will be a repeat when Chris Dodd starts trying to get this passed again.
 
2012-04-07 12:27:54 PM
I'd like to hear what Internet Dentist with Arms Crossed has to say about this.
 
2012-04-07 01:19:18 PM

Biological Ali: I Like Bread: No one candidate is going to support EVERYTHING you want - and if you're waiting for that guy, just toss your voter registration card now. If you don't like it, go move to (insert country where you're the only person allowed to vote).

You jest perhaps, but this "Just vote your heart, maaan" advice really is the game theory equivalent of pretending you're the only autonomous agent around. It's like looking at an indefinitely-repeated Prisoner's Dilemma locked in a stable pattern of cooperation and thinking "Well gee. This getup is kinda good, but the one where I defect is even better for me, so I'll vote for that!", not realizing that your overture towards this mirage of personal utopia will only increase the likelihood of a real-world outcome you're worse off. Worse off than if you'd just had the sense to "settle" for a less lofty goal that you could actually reasonably expect to attain.

If you vote for someone who you know for certain can't win, all you're doing is increasing the likelihood of the worse (for you, anyway) viable candidate winning, relative to a situation where you voted for the "lesser evil".


I don't see how the alternative accomplishes anything other than having the ability to say, "I voted for the guy who won!"
 
2012-04-07 01:33:35 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay:
Making him, at best, a pathetic idiot who should be nowhere near a senate seat. If he hasn't come crawling on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness for his support of that awful piece of legislation, and if he doesn't make fighting against all the upcoming SOPA/PIPA clone bills coming down the pike a cornerstone of his position, he deserves zero support.


So I take it you'd much rather have that Republican cheese weevil Norm in the Senate?

People should consider the alternatives before they catapult the propaganda.
 
2012-04-07 02:31:27 PM

I Like Bread: I don't see how the alternative accomplishes anything other than having the ability to say, "I voted for the guy who won!"


That doesn't make really make sense. The guy you voted for could still lose, so you wouldn't necessarily have the ability to say even that. What it does accomplish is you having lowered the probability, to whatever extent you could, of the least desirable outcome occurring. What you would have the ability to say afterward is "I somewhat understand basic game theory."
 
2012-04-07 02:58:25 PM
img534.imageshack.us
 
2012-04-07 04:28:44 PM

NewportBarGuy: I'm more concerned that a version of SOPA will eventually pass because that's what the corporate backers want and they know how to get it done in the dead of night. If the Senate ever starts functioning normally, where they actually pass legislation, they are going to pack it into some important bill and the President will sign it.


Yeah, that's not gonna happen. At least not without a big fight.

The issue was that nobody knew what was in it. They really didn't. Congress relies on lobbyists because they can't know everything about every issue and every bill. There's not enough time in the day for the member, and there's not enough of a budget for staff. So lobbyists come in with the research already done and presentation boiled down. Apart from the campaign donations part, it usually works alright, because both sides come in. Farmers will come in, agribusiness will come in, environmental groups will come in on the same bill and make their pitches.

The tech industry didn't do that. They were all in California minding their own business, with the MPAA and RIAA walking all over them, since they knew how to play the game. When SOPA/PIPA hit, the wikimedias/facebooks of the world woke up and realized that they had to actually engage in the political system as well for their interests to be represented. After sopa/pipa, they're not going to let the lobbying go unattended anymore. They're going to engage, and as long as the tech industry remains opposed to such bills, they won't go through easily.

And guess what? If it's a lobbyist donor versus significant numbers of votes, votes are gonna win every time. Politicians aren't afraid of taking somebody's money and voting against them, it's a part of the business. But when only one side bothers to present its case, guess what gets written into law.
 
2012-04-07 06:08:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: DavidVincent: I vote for socialist Jews rather than men that remind me of my father."

What does that even mean?


It means the Democrats' Failed Socialist Policies are helping their Fat Cat Friends on Wall Street.

/or something
//fix old, no new
 
2012-04-08 12:57:19 AM
He should be required to change his middle name to SOPA.
fark that guy and his unabashed support for that abortion because he and his Hollywood cronies would have benefited from it at the cost of the rest of America.

I'd prefer him to be voted out, but not if it would go to a conservative that would be worse.
 
2012-04-08 03:18:32 AM
I'm thinking that failing to endorse big media's copyright policy is probably political suicide for any Democratic officeholder. Not because of the voters, who mostly know better, but because they are too dependent on media money and media access. And unlike Republicans, they can't get those things by fear-bombing the undereducated and overreligious.
 
2012-04-09 09:06:42 AM
29.media.tumblr.com
Stock G-Man and Spock are not amused by this fund-raising letter.
 
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