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2012-04-06 03:42:01 PM
what a farking bastard. he really is making no attempt to even hide his fealty to the kochs.
 
2012-04-06 03:44:29 PM
Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails
 
2012-04-06 03:55:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails


And that failure is spun into a mandate.
 
2012-04-06 04:22:42 PM

Dogberry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails

And that failure is spun into a mandate.


rather than taken as a warning to be more moderate? hell no! slash and burn, baby!
 
2012-04-06 04:24:38 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails


The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.
 
2012-04-06 04:38:38 PM
If women get paid less, that means they'll have less money to spend on their whore pills and whore medical procedures.

Wake up libtards.
 
2012-04-06 04:43:19 PM
But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.
 
2012-04-06 04:48:05 PM

GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.


By paying women less, they can create more jobs for men!

It's simple job creation.
 
2012-04-06 04:53:54 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

By paying women less, they can create more jobs for men!

It's simple job creation.


well, yes. it's a zero-sum proposition. there is a finite sum of money in the universe.
 
2012-04-06 05:09:33 PM

Aarontology: If women get paid less, that means they'll have less money to spend on their whore pills and whore medical procedures.

Wake up libtards.


There's alot of truth in that snark.

"We don't want to prevent them from having contraception, we just don't want to pay for it. They should. Oh, and by the way, honey, we're cutting your pay."
 
2012-04-06 05:16:09 PM

King Something: The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.


She has recused herself from election duties. See TPM for the article.
 
2012-04-06 05:26:45 PM
Afterwards, Walker departed to go tie maidens to railroad tracks while tirling a mustache.
 
2012-04-06 05:27:25 PM
Twirling, even
 
2012-04-06 05:45:33 PM
FTA: Economic security is a women's health issue

"Mother's milk causes cancer," George Carlin.
/People just make this crap up, don't they?
 
2012-04-06 05:45:49 PM
Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.
 
2012-04-06 05:46:04 PM
I wonder if this repeal run will run smack into the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

//I know Ledbetter is the federal court.
///Way to keep courting those women, GOP policy makers!
 
2012-04-06 05:49:02 PM
This isn't a smart election cycle to attempt this move. I suspect the Governor is going to receive a visit from Representative Curly Bill in the near future.
 
2012-04-06 05:49:28 PM
Walker's Business Socialism is going to have him removed from office
 
2012-04-06 05:49:55 PM
Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.
 
2012-04-06 05:50:50 PM
Governors legislate now?
 
2012-04-06 05:51:19 PM
deep derp will remain standard fare as long as the masses allow. your safely locked away firearms are going to waste.
 
2012-04-06 05:52:07 PM

Diogenes: "We don't want to prevent them from having contraception, we just don't want to pay for it. They should. Oh, and by the way, honey, we're cutting your pay."


They've frozen them, she said. Mine too. The collective's, too. Any account with an F on it instead of an M. All they needed to do is push a few buttons. We're cut off.

But I've got over two thousand dollars in the bank, I said, as if my own account was the only one that mattered.

Women can't hold property any more, she said. It's a new law.


It's supposed to be satire, not an instruction manual.
 
2012-04-06 05:53:16 PM

King Something: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails

The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.



Who says the Repubs aren't learning anything from the Dems?
 
2012-04-06 05:53:18 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails


As someone who leans more to the right, I have to say that I'd be moving the hell out of Wisconsin. Regardless of party, if you have someone who's going out of their way to screw the common man, you need to either recall his worthless hide or get the hell out of there before you lose so much that you cannot afford to escape.

I'm amazed that they haven't already had a recall election.
 
2012-04-06 05:53:24 PM
Retardumblican.

That is...

;)
 
2012-04-06 05:53:51 PM

fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.

 
2012-04-06 05:53:53 PM

2wolves: King Something: The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.

She has recused herself from election duties. See TPM for the article.


While it does reduce the chances of electoral shenanigans significantly, it does not reduce the chances to zero. Expect Walker and his buddies to "find" lots of ballots, even without her help.


/glad to see that she realized she did a bad thing in the Prosser "election" last year
//either that, or she realizes that everyone would be watching her like a hawk for this election and she wouldn't be able to lie about a fart, much less an open ballot bag or ten.
 
2012-04-06 05:53:54 PM
"Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.
 
2012-04-06 05:54:30 PM
So women and interns are back to the old system of getting raises
somalilandpower.com
i.qkme.me
 
2012-04-06 05:55:44 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.


Now, only the Republican douchebags voted for this.

The Democratic douchebags won't get their turn until after the election.

/both sides are bad
//so don't vote for either of them
///write-in vote against all of them
 
2012-04-06 05:57:29 PM
Why hand Obama the state of Wisconsin on a platter, when you can hand it to him on a silver platter?
 
2012-04-06 05:57:42 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-06 05:58:01 PM

steveGswine: Governors legislate now?


Yep. It's a completely new process that was invented in Wisconsin last week. You see, the Governor takes the bill that's been sent to him by the Legislature, and if he wants to enact it, he "signs" it, thereby signifying his approval. If he does not wish it to become law, he may "veto" it, thereby preventing it from taking effect.

I realize that this is a radical departure from all known forms of government in this country, and that it challenges the traditional role of "dispassionate, uninvolved cosmic observer" that has been bestowed upon Governors, allowing them to be insulated from the consequences of all policy decisions ever. So it's understandable that this is a new concept to you.
 
2012-04-06 05:58:26 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.


Have you met Wisconsin's Frankenstein veto? Like hell you can't single out the governor up here.
 
2012-04-06 05:58:45 PM
Has anyone actually bothered to read the law? I realize that 99.99% or more evaluate the substance of a law by its title. The legislature knows this too, so they can write a law declaring the homeless be fed to bears as long as they title it "The Helping Poor People Not Be Poor Anymore" Act of 2012. I realize that Walker's the ultimate racist/mysoginist/neo-Nazi, but it's still possible this is just a poorly designed law, and repealling it won't have any effect at all.
 
2012-04-06 05:59:36 PM

Ashrams: So women and interns are back to the old system of getting raises
[somalilandpower.com image 550x368]
[i.qkme.me image 625x761]


Scott Walker wants to return women back to the days when they didn't work at all (except for prostitutes), just like the vocal idiot section of the Republican party wants.
 
2012-04-06 05:59:52 PM
Wow, even for the asshole who wakes up every morning wondering who he can fark over today, this is disgusting.

WTF, Wisconsin? You elected this guy.
 
2012-04-06 06:01:46 PM

don't understand: fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.


I'd explain that this is why they're having the recall elections in the first place, but I'm guessing that you agree with that other guy because this is an issue whose details you... *puts on sunglasses* ...don't understand.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
2012-04-06 06:02:06 PM
I wish the recall happened in November. Then we'd get to see the epic rioting when Obama wins Wisconsin and Walker doesn't get recalled.
 
2012-04-06 06:03:08 PM

Aarontology: If women get paid less, that means they'll have less money to spend on their whore pills and whore medical procedures.

Wake up libtards.


8/10

Clearly this is the reason for the state being on the verge of bankruptcy
 
2012-04-06 06:03:45 PM

King Something: don't understand: fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.

I'd explain that this is why they're having the recall elections in the first place, but I'm guessing that you agree with that other guy because this is an issue whose details you... *puts on sunglasses* ...don't understand.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Thanks, I needed that.
 
2012-04-06 06:05:10 PM
The Republican dilemma: Female CEOs
 
2012-04-06 06:05:19 PM

StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.


You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees
 
2012-04-06 06:05:45 PM
I'm honestly surprised no one has taken a baseball bat to this guy's balls yet.
 
2012-04-06 06:05:48 PM

GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.


The GOP knows women can vote now, right?
 
2012-04-06 06:07:10 PM

King Something: 2wolves: King Something: The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.

She has recused herself from election duties. See TPM for the article.

While it does reduce the chances of electoral shenanigans significantly, it does not reduce the chances to zero. Expect Walker and his buddies to "find" lots of ballots, even without her help.


/glad to see that she realized she did a bad thing in the Prosser "election" last year
//either that, or she realizes that everyone would be watching her like a hawk for this election and she wouldn't be able to lie about a fart, much less an open ballot bag or ten.


She was given a choice by the GAB, either resign or recuse herself.
 
2012-04-06 06:07:19 PM

meat0918: I wonder if this repeal run will run smack into the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

//I know Ledbetter is the federal court.
///Way to keep courting those women, GOP policy makers!


I just looked over the list of America's top 100 billionaires and frankly I didn't see many women on it.

No loss for the GOP here..
 
2012-04-06 06:08:17 PM

StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.


[citationneeded.jpg]
 
2012-04-06 06:10:21 PM

ambercat: I'm honestly surprised no one has taken a baseball bat to this guy's balls yet.


Jeez,

What's with the amber violence, cat?

Switch the binary, babe.

Love/hate

Hate/love.

Please?

;)
 
2012-04-06 06:10:56 PM

coffee smells good: King Something: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails

The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.


Who says the Repubs aren't learning anything from the Dems?


Not enough however. They still stupidly push for voter ID laws that would make it more difficult to phony up an election. They have a lot more to learn from Dems about how to put the fix in.
 
2012-04-06 06:11:40 PM
Gov. Walker,

You are a douchebag, a clinical imbecile and a sock puppet c*nt.

History will wipe it's ass with you.

But you knew that.
 
2012-04-06 06:12:04 PM

StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.


Are you seriously suggesting that women make less money than men because women work six-hour workdays while men work eight hours a day?

And besides, the "debunked canard" says that the pay difference is for the same work -- comparing the average pay for men in any given job to the average pay for women in THE EXACT SAME JOB. Of course a pediatrician or a dermatologist would make less than an open-heart surgeon, just like the girl running the fry machine at McDonald's makes less than the head chef at a five-star restaurant, and the old crone driving the school bus makes less than Dale Jr. or Sebastian Vettel. They didn't compare female skin docs to male heart docs to come up with this figure.
 
2012-04-06 06:13:11 PM
This seems relevant.

Link (new window)
 
2012-04-06 06:14:10 PM
He is evil. That's all.
 
2012-04-06 06:14:32 PM
The amount of hate mail this guy gets must be incredible. He must not read it or be so delusional that he gets off on it.
 
2012-04-06 06:14:37 PM
1) Tea baggers realize what Republicans are really doing
2) A lot of Republicans shot dead
3) America has been taken back??
 
2012-04-06 06:15:05 PM

Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees


Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........
 
2012-04-06 06:17:36 PM

nyseattitude: 1) Tea baggers realize what Republicans are really doing
2) A lot of Republicans shot dead
3) America has been taken back??


Nooo!

ENOUGH with the violence!

How has it worked for you up to date, biatches?

WTF?!

Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.

;)
 
2012-04-06 06:17:59 PM

Gosling: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.

Have you met Wisconsin's Frankenstein veto? Like hell you can't single out the governor up here.


He didn't use the Frankenstein veto in this case. You can give him the lion's share of the blame when he does, but it didn't happen here.
 
2012-04-06 06:19:33 PM

Indubitably: nyseattitude: 1) Tea baggers realize what Republicans are really doing
2) A lot of Republicans shot dead
3) America has been taken back??

Nooo!

ENOUGH with the violence!

How has it worked for you up to date, biatches?

WTF?!

Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.

;)


P.S. It's a full moon right now, a Pink Moon...

P.P.S. Look out...;)
 
2012-04-06 06:20:27 PM

patent holder: Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees

Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........


[citation needed]
 
2012-04-06 06:20:53 PM
Makes no difference if this was actually something positive, it sounds good and most people prefer an upbeat message.....even if it ultimately does more harm than good. People don't like Negative Neds and Debbie Downers. What this incident proves is that most Republicans are so hate filled, so contemptuous of the 99%, they can't even manage a credible pretense anymore.

This country is headed for a bloodbath.
 
2012-04-06 06:21:21 PM
How anyone who doesn't make a 6 figure salary can vote republican is beyond me.
 
2012-04-06 06:21:41 PM
I'm surprised they weren't sued for having this law on the books, as equality is a federal issue, and any attempt to legislate it at a state level will ineterfere with federal enforcement.
 
2012-04-06 06:24:31 PM

Farking Canuck: How anyone who doesn't make a 6 figure salary can vote republican is beyond me.


=================

John Steinbeck once said, "Most Americans view themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

It's the biggest case of mass Stockholm Syndrome the world has ever seen.
 
2012-04-06 06:25:07 PM

jjorsett: Not enough however. They still stupidly push for voter ID laws that would make it more difficult to phony up an election. They have a lot more to learn from Dems about how to put the fix in.


Hey, look, an apologist for evil assholes. Hello, Evil Asshole Apologist.
 
2012-04-06 06:26:24 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: /both sides are bad


Yeah, but the Democrats are just "weak and feckless" bad or sometimes "overzealous for a good cause" bad. The modern Republican party seems to head more and more into "let them die in a ditch, crying" bad and "Christian version of the Taliban" bad.

I preferred them when they were just "wanting to live in T.V.'s version of the '50s" bad and "overzealous patriot" bad.

/Not forgetting, of course, "self-hating closet case" bad.
 
2012-04-06 06:26:47 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: nyseattitude: 1) Tea baggers realize what Republicans are really doing
2) A lot of Republicans shot dead
3) America has been taken back??

Nooo!

ENOUGH with the violence!

How has it worked for you up to date, biatches?

WTF?!

Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.

;)

P.S. It's a full moon right now, a Pink Moon...

P.P.S. Look out...;)


Shield on.
 
2012-04-06 06:26:54 PM

Fissile: This country is headed for a bloodbath.


No, it isn't. This is what Americans want. They want people like Scott Walker. Sometimes I hate this country and its idiotic citizens so much. Vote Republican, assholes: you deserve it!
 
2012-04-06 06:27:07 PM

GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.


You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.
 
2012-04-06 06:27:20 PM
Equal pay for equal work my buttooski.
they take more time off. we had one woman get preggers 5 years in arow. all the time off for appts and leave.. she worked 6 months a year.

sales dudes, work every day or they dont get paid.

college grads make the same out of school. after that, they do it to themselves.
 
2012-04-06 06:27:51 PM

jjorsett: Gosling: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.

Have you met Wisconsin's Frankenstein veto? Like hell you can't single out the governor up here.

He didn't use the Frankenstein veto in this case. You can give him the lion's share of the blame when he does, but it didn't happen here.


So now we're gonna debate brand of anal lube he *didn't* use? : / And you seriously wonder how these bought and paid for, disingenuous, "f*ck you to your face" mongs keep getting elected. America needs to get it over with, tun in it's man card and slip into one of those frilly, flip up "ready when you are" negliges.
 
2012-04-06 06:30:12 PM

IMDWalrus: patent holder: Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees

Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........

[citation needed]


Google.com or bing.com or yahoo.com or altavista.com (are they still around?) .......
 
2012-04-06 06:30:17 PM

coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.


Evidence that the GOP is waging a war on women: A long litany of anti-woman legislation, proposed and approved by Republicans at every stage where they hold control of the relevant legislative, executive, or judicial branch.
Evidence that Democrats are waging a war on women: Obama golfs only with dudes.

Totally the same.
 
2012-04-06 06:31:47 PM

buttcat: This seems relevant.

Link (new window)


Holy shiat, that's stupid.
 
2012-04-06 06:32:59 PM

coffee smells good: Google.com or bing.com or yahoo.com or altavista.com (are they still around?) .......


Alright, fine. Since he's not going to back up his bullshiat, here's an article from that liberal rag Forbes that ran two days ago.

The real problem is pretty simple: we just have less money to spend than men do. Women are still making 77 cents to a man's dollar.

Where's your source?
 
2012-04-06 06:33:19 PM

patent holder: Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees

Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........


Well, then I'll just take your word for it because... ummmmm, you called me a moron and I can't argue with that rock solid logic. Other than say my wife who makes less than men in her office despite having seniority and being more qualified. But you know better, so I guess I can't argue with that
 
2012-04-06 06:33:32 PM
Peter von Nostrand:
You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees
Except for the part where this is utterly wrong, you almost had a point.
 
2012-04-06 06:33:53 PM

nyseattitude: 1) Tea baggers realize what Republicans are really doing
2) A lot of Republicans shot dead
3) America has been taken back??


Unlikely, since the teabaggers don't care how much it costs to stick it to the libs.

And as long as the GOP continues to do exactly that, they needn't worry too much about being on the business end of a "Second Amendment Solution". At least not from the teabaggers, anyway.

/"let them eat cake"
 
2012-04-06 06:33:57 PM
The circle of "nuh UH! You have to give ME!" has eaten America. Please turn the lights off on your way out.
 
2012-04-06 06:35:23 PM
Smelly Pirate Hooker Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.

Umm.... did you RTFA? It was a party line vote. The Wisconsin republicans are to blame. Congressional democrats opposed it. But hey, don't let reality interfere with your "both sides are bad" mantra.

coffee smells good
You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.


By all means, list the policies Obama has advocated that are bad for women.
 
2012-04-06 06:35:38 PM

Shades: Peter von Nostrand:
You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees
Except for the part where this is utterly wrong, you almost had a point.


And another that just knows better, in their gut
 
2012-04-06 06:35:56 PM

Shades: Except for the part where this is utterly wrong, you almost had a point.


Please, prove where he's "utterly wrong".

So far, not a single person who's claiming that the pay gap doesn't exist has even tried to back up their claims with, you know, facts.
 
2012-04-06 06:35:59 PM

IMDWalrus: coffee smells good: Google.com or bing.com or yahoo.com or altavista.com (are they still around?) .......

Alright, fine. Since he's not going to back up his bullshiat, here's an article from that liberal rag Forbes that ran two days ago.

The real problem is pretty simple: we just have less money to spend than men do. Women are still making 77 cents to a man's dollar.

Where's your source?


An opinion piece on ForbesWoman that doesn't list a citation for that claim? That's your source?
 
2012-04-06 06:36:32 PM

Holfax: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: /both sides are bad

Yeah, but the Democrats are just "weak and feckless" bad or sometimes "overzealous for a good cause" bad. The modern Republican party seems to head more and more into "let them die in a ditch, crying" bad and "Christian version of the Taliban" bad.

I preferred them when they were just "wanting to live in T.V.'s version of the '50s" bad and "overzealous patriot" bad.

/Not forgetting, of course, "self-hating closet case" bad.


I would consider voting for any Democrat that legally changed their first and middle names to 'Lesser Evil', just as a reward for the honesty. Even President Lesser Evil Obama would get a vote. Otherwise, their bad is 'pretend we are 'progressives' while mucking up healthcare reform and extending tax cuts' bad. No thanks.
 
2012-04-06 06:36:40 PM
why any women would vote republican is a mystery.
 
2012-04-06 06:37:00 PM
coffee smells good
Google.com or bing.com or yahoo.com or altavista.com (are they still around?) .......

Fail. You made the claim. Back it up or STFU.
 
2012-04-06 06:37:06 PM
I wonder if, in the future, anyone will recall him being the Gov?
 
2012-04-06 06:38:50 PM

Peter von Nostrand: patent holder: Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees

Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........

Well, then I'll just take your word for it because... ummmmm, you called me a moron and I can't argue with that rock solid logic. Other than say my wife who makes less than men in her office despite having seniority and being more qualified. But you know better, so I guess I can't argue with that



You do understand that anecdotes do NOT equal data don't you.
 
2012-04-06 06:38:51 PM

Farking Canuck: How anyone who doesn't make a 6 figure salary can vote republican is beyond me.


How anyone who's not white, male, and wealthy can vote Republican is beyond me.
 
2012-04-06 06:39:01 PM
"If we can divide everybody up into little groups and convince all of those little groups that it's some OTHER little group that's screwing them, we can screw all of them."

"I think I just came in my pants."

"Buy me some media outlets, lackey! And toss in some whores who'll say anything we tell them!"

"Yesss mastahhhh!"
 
2012-04-06 06:39:26 PM
Koch Brothers are still the left's boogeyman? (boogeymen)
 
2012-04-06 06:39:30 PM

Forgot_my_password_again: why any women would vote republican is a mystery.


1.bp.blogspot.com

/LOL
 
2012-04-06 06:39:35 PM

Mithiwithi: coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.

Evidence that the GOP is waging a war on women: A long litany of anti-woman legislation, proposed and approved by Republicans at every stage where they hold control of the relevant legislative, executive, or judicial branch.
Evidence that Democrats are waging a war on women: Obama golfs only with dudes.

Totally the same.


Came here to say this.

Oh, and no matter how you feel about Democrats, I can tell you one thing: We aren't all unified on Obama. He's extended wars, hasn't made a move on Gay Marriage(although he never said he would), and kept Guantanamo open, just to start. I'm a liberal through and through, and I am not happy with the man. He isn't a "Savior", although Conservative morons love that one, because any chance to make him into an object shall not be passed up.

Conservatives actually stand with their leaders on immoral shiat like this. How you people can ever call us "sheeple", or have any belief we'd blindly follow our leaders without questioning them without feeling like massive hypocrites is farking astounding.
 
2012-04-06 06:39:37 PM

IMDWalrus: Women are still making 77 cents to a man's dollar.


Them hores gonna get mah dollah an 77 cents!!!
 
2012-04-06 06:39:48 PM

coffee smells good: Peter von Nostrand: patent holder: Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees

Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........

Well, then I'll just take your word for it because... ummmmm, you called me a moron and I can't argue with that rock solid logic. Other than say my wife who makes less than men in her office despite having seniority and being more qualified. But you know better, so I guess I can't argue with that


You do understand that anecdotes do NOT equal data don't you.


You don't even have anecdotes.
 
2012-04-06 06:39:54 PM

StanTheMan: OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.


I know this is complicated, and I know you're retarded, but you may be able to survive this small leap. Ready?

The 2009 law was passed in order to make it less costly and less difficult for employees who have suffered pay discrimination - all employees, not just women - to seek legal redress with an employer. Pay discrimination occurs when an employer offers lower pay for the same job to different people based on gender, ethnicity, etc, regardless of merit or seniority inre hours worked. What Walker and the Republicans did was rescind this law so it is now significantly more expensive and difficult for someone to seek redress for such pay discrimination.

And you think this is OK because dermatologists don't make as much as heart surgeons? Really?

I must ask you: does being this stupid ever physically hurt? Like, headaches? That kind of thing?
 
2012-04-06 06:40:45 PM
Ladies, he's making it easier for employers to discriminate against you. Come June 5th you'd better get to the polls, or get your ass to the kitchen, because those are your two options at this point.
 
2012-04-06 06:41:30 PM
Oh noes1!1! The Koch brothers!!!11!1! AAAAAAAAAA!!!11!01

When punitive and compensatory damages are available for employees to claim in discrimination cases at the state level, there are unpredictable costs to business -- and that leads to less investment and employees in business. Go Walker!
 
2012-04-06 06:42:04 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: An opinion piece on ForbesWoman that doesn't list a citation for that claim? That's your source?


Alright. You'd like some more?

The wage gap remained statistically unchanged in the last year. Women's earnings were 77.4 percent of men's in 2010, compared to 77.0 percent in 2009, according to Census statistics released September 13, 2011 based on the median earnings of all full-time, year-round workers. (Source: http://www.pay-equity.org/)

In the financial sector, women earn about 55 to 62 cents for every dollar made by men, while women who head major lobbying firms make about 57 cents to the dollar. (Source: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/02/456335/women-cfos-pay-gap/ )

Internationally: A new report from the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC) reveals that worldwide, women are paid 18% on average less than their male counterparts at work. (Source: http://www.ituc-csi.org/frozen-in-time-gender-pay-gap,10763.html)

I could keep going if you'd like, because there are 117,000,000 results on Google for "women pay gap 2012".
 
2012-04-06 06:42:20 PM

Wadded Beef: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

The GOP knows women can vote now, right?


Yes, but they know the wives of republican husbands will vote with their husbands, as instructed. Besides, if they even thought about voting against their husbands, then they might not be let out of the kitchen to vote at all next year.
 
2012-04-06 06:42:33 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: IMDWalrus: coffee smells good: Google.com or bing.com or yahoo.com or altavista.com (are they still around?) .......

Alright, fine. Since he's not going to back up his bullshiat, here's an article from that liberal rag Forbes that ran two days ago.

The real problem is pretty simple: we just have less money to spend than men do. Women are still making 77 cents to a man's dollar.

Where's your source?

An opinion piece on ForbesWoman that doesn't list a citation for that claim? That's your source?


By the way, a study done in 2010 showed that childless women under 30 living in cities make, on average, 8% more than men in similarly situated positions.

That lends at least a small bit of credence to the notion that the wage gap exists, in part, due to other non-discriminatory factors.
 
2012-04-06 06:43:13 PM

coffee smells good: You do understand that anecdotes do NOT equal data don't you.


Facts have been presented in the thread on my side that says women make less than men
 
2012-04-06 06:43:56 PM
So Farkers support discrimination? Marion Barry is proud of you farktards.
 
2012-04-06 06:43:59 PM
What a scumbag.
Any chance he might just drop dead?
Or be declared incompetent?
 
2012-04-06 06:44:17 PM
Considering Walker seems to be actively trying to dismantle over 100 years of progressive progress brought about by the advent of Unions and (some) social ethics, I find it amusing that people are demonizing his detractors as "Union Thugs".
 
2012-04-06 06:44:47 PM
Today a room full of kids asked me why Republicans hate America so much.

I didn't have an answer.
 
2012-04-06 06:44:57 PM

crawlspace: Oh noes1!1! The Koch brothers!!!11!1! AAAAAAAAAA!!!11!01

When punitive and compensatory damages are available for employees to claim in discrimination cases at the state level, there are unpredictable costs to business -- and that leads to less investment and employees in business. Go Walker!


No, it leads to more fat, greedy, self-important old white men pissing and moaning until their pet representatives pull some stunt like this. See how that works?

The Koch brothers would bone your sainted mother up the sh*tter and leave a quarter on the dresser. They create Koch brothers money.

Nothing else.

Honest.
 
2012-04-06 06:45:23 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Shades: Peter von Nostrand:
You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees
Except for the part where this is utterly wrong, you almost had a point.

And another that just knows better, in their gut


Here you go:
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html
Since you're probably just as lazy about reading as you are searching, allow me to summarize: young women get paid more than their male peers because woman are much more likely to have gone through college.

Time to re-evaluate that claim about your wife being just as competent, much less more, as the men she works with.
 
2012-04-06 06:45:41 PM

crawlspace: Oh noes1!1! The Koch brothers!!!11!1! AAAAAAAAAA!!!11!01

When punitive and compensatory damages are available for employees to claim in discrimination cases at the state level, there are unpredictable costs to business -- and that leads to less investment and employees in business. Go Walker!


Who ever said business was supposed to not have any 'unpredictable costs'? ...especially as a result of bad business behavior by employers?

America's business model is government protection and handouts to sniveling cowards.
 
2012-04-06 06:45:56 PM
This guy makes my former governor (you know, the one with the big hair and penchant for trying to sell senate seats who just went to jail) look like the ultimate statesman.
 
2012-04-06 06:46:25 PM

patrick767: coffee smells good
Google.com or bing.com or yahoo.com or altavista.com (are they still around?) .......

Fail. You made the claim. Back it up or STFU.



Sorry bud but widely reported facts (e.g. there are 9 justices on the SCOTUS) only need to be cited to those who have no other argument and are one step away from name calling. This is not some obscure notion, only one that doesn't fit the theme of the far left.

BTW i noticed you didn't call for a citation for the often claimed 77cents. Does that make you a hypocrite?
 
2012-04-06 06:47:13 PM

Shades: Peter von Nostrand: Shades: Peter von Nostrand:
You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees
Except for the part where this is utterly wrong, you almost had a point.

And another that just knows better, in their gut

Here you go:
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html
Since you're probably just as lazy about reading as you are searching, allow me to summarize: young women get paid more than their male peers because woman are much more likely to have gone through college.

Time to re-evaluate that claim about your wife being just as competent, much less more, as the men she works with.


You can go read up thread as well, if you're not too lazy. My wife is top sales in the company. You can go fark yourself
 
2012-04-06 06:47:17 PM
People still have the same rights to sue in federal court they have had for years. And really, if you were a woman living in WI, would you trust that you could get a fair hearing in a state court on this issue? Wouldn't you want to go to Federal court?

And I'll just throw my line into the water with this...
Link (new window)
and this...
Link (new window)

/goes to get popcorn
 
2012-04-06 06:47:20 PM

IMDWalrus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: An opinion piece on ForbesWoman that doesn't list a citation for that claim? That's your source?

Alright. You'd like some more?

The wage gap remained statistically unchanged in the last year. Women's earnings were 77.4 percent of men's in 2010, compared to 77.0 percent in 2009, according to Census statistics released September 13, 2011 based on the median earnings of all full-time, year-round workers. (Source: http://www.pay-equity.org/)

In the financial sector, women earn about 55 to 62 cents for every dollar made by men, while women who head major lobbying firms make about 57 cents to the dollar. (Source: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/02/456335/women-cfos-pay-gap/ )

Internationally: A new report from the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC) reveals that worldwide, women are paid 18% on average less than their male counterparts at work. (Source: http://www.ituc-csi.org/frozen-in-time-gender-pay-gap,10763.html)

I could keep going if you'd like, because there are 117,000,000 results on Google for "women pay gap 2012".


#1: Comparing all workers to all workers is futile. Compare similarly situated workers. Otherwise, you are engaging in an exercise in futility.

#2: ThinkProgress? You really think they'll say anything different? I didn't even bother with their link.

#3: Internationally? Really? This is the one you want to hang your hat on? It should be no surprise to you that women are paid less than men INTERNATIONALLY when there are countries where women aren't even permitted to HAVE A JOB.

In short, get better sources.
 
2012-04-06 06:48:15 PM

coffee smells good: How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)


Oh, for fark's sake. This is what you're running with? THIS? THIS WEAKSAUCE?

CAN I GET A HIGHER CLASS OF TROLL AROUND HERE PLEASE?
 
2012-04-06 06:48:24 PM
old but intersting info:;
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=usgovinfo&cdn=n e wsissues&tm=70&gps=626_98_1436_754&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&b ts=1&zu=http%3A//www.gao.gov/new.items/d0435.pdf

From the government, so libs ought to love it.

There is a lot of math involved, so this gut breaks it down for you

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/womenspay.htm
 
2012-04-06 06:51:32 PM
How much pay do they need for making a sammich? Seriously - get your ass back into the kitchen sugarbritches. Men are working out here and you're simply not smart enough to understand what we're up to.
 
2012-04-06 06:52:34 PM
5000 years from now people will read this stuff, ( because the internet is forever ), and marvel at how *****.....
And then they will go back to grumbling about where the hell their flying cars are.
 
2012-04-06 06:54:03 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: #3: Internationally? Really? This is the one you want to hang your hat on? It should be no surprise to you that women are paid less than men INTERNATIONALLY when there are countries where women aren't even permitted to HAVE A JOB.


And yes, because women somewhere else have it worse, American women should just shut up.
 
2012-04-06 06:55:47 PM
...and you dumb-asses keep electing those corrupt, greedy disgusting white men to positions of power.

The empty-headed chickens will dutifully vote for Col Sanders, because, hey, small gub'mint, fam'ly valyas, Jus' plain folks that speak like yew do,

Gawd, gunz all wrapped up in ol' glory and served with a side order of apple pie.
 
2012-04-06 06:55:48 PM

theorellior: coffee smells good: How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)

Oh, for fark's sake. This is what you're running with? THIS? THIS WEAKSAUCE?

CAN I GET A HIGHER CLASS OF TROLL AROUND HERE PLEASE?



I missed your response to Obama's poor showing with the number of female advisers he has. No snappy comeback for that one I guess?

The golf example is pertinent because just two days ago Obama called for the Augusta National club to start admitting female members. Kettle meet black.
 
2012-04-06 06:55:51 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man
Here's the slightly deflating caveat: this reverse gender gap, as it's known, applies only to unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities.

That's interesting though it applies to only that subset of the population... under 30, unmarried, no children, living in cities. Also, one would expect those with a college degree to, on average, earn more.

That lends at least a small bit of credence to the notion that the wage gap exists, in part, due to other non-discriminatory factors.

I wouldn't rule that out as part of the explanation though as hopefully we all know, numerous sources over the years suggest that discrimination is a major factor too. It's reasonable to demand citations from the person who claimed this gender gap in wages doesn't exist.
 
2012-04-06 06:57:16 PM
images.forbes.comwww.accreditedonlinecolleges.comimages.forbes.com
 
2012-04-06 06:57:53 PM

Indubitably: P.S. It's a full moon right now, a Pink Moon...

P.P.S. Look out...;)


I saw what you did there!

/love me some Nick Drake...
 
2012-04-06 06:59:54 PM

Allen. The end.: Indubitably: P.S. It's a full moon right now, a Pink Moon...

P.P.S. Look out...;)

I saw what you did there!

/love me some Nick Drake...


Thank you.

I noted it just for you.

*bow*

;)
 
2012-04-06 07:00:00 PM

Tigger: coffee smells good: Peter von Nostrand: patent holder: Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees

Actually, equally educated and equally experienced woman (in identical positions) do make the same as men. This has been non-reported/under-reported by the old media. You might want to update your talking points because you look the fool by repeating them.


/but then I'm arguing with a moron, does that make me.........

Well, then I'll just take your word for it because... ummmmm, you called me a moron and I can't argue with that rock solid logic. Other than say my wife who makes less than men in her office despite having seniority and being more qualified. But you know better, so I guess I can't argue with that


You do understand that anecdotes do NOT equal data don't you.

You don't even have anecdotes.


maybe Peters wife has been there longer, but just doesnt do as much work.

its always " for the same job" and never for the same work.

its idiotic. you could just hire women, drop your prices 25% and put your competitors all out of business. Somehow, this does not happen though.
 
2012-04-06 07:01:05 PM

coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.


I do like my herring red, thanks!
 
2012-04-06 07:02:04 PM

meathome: I'm amazed that they haven't already had a recall election.


The laws allowing recall set a minimum time in office. The recall petition was as early as the law would allow, and the Republican-controlled state government delayed the process as much as possible thereafter. There was no legal way he could have been recalled faster.
 
2012-04-06 07:02:48 PM

Nutsac_Jim: its always " for the same job" and never for the same work.


Because you can't compare "work" as easily as you can the "same job".
 
2012-04-06 07:03:21 PM

Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.



Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)
 
2012-04-06 07:03:52 PM

JBangworthy: Has anyone actually bothered to read the law? I realize that 99.99% or more evaluate the substance of a law by its title. The legislature knows this too, so they can write a law declaring the homeless be fed to bears as long as they title it "The Helping Poor People Not Be Poor Anymore" Act of 2012. I realize that Walker's the ultimate racist/mysoginist/neo-Nazi, but it's still possible this is just a poorly designed law, and repealling it won't have any effect at all.


Just out of curiousity, did you actually read the article? It clearly stated that this legislation REPEALED existing legislation that was passed in 2009.
 
2012-04-06 07:04:12 PM

StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.


About that:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/07/07/128359804/unemployment-rat e- men-vs-women (new window)
 
2012-04-06 07:05:15 PM

jjorsett: They still stupidly push for voter ID laws that would make it more difficult to phony up an election.


Those one-in-five-million+ votes were really creating havoc. People were literally lining up to make no difference in anything and take a huge risk of being sent to prison.
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:05:27 PM

don't understand: fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.


You know what? Fark that shiat.

He didn't run on eliminating collective bargaining, attacking the poor and the teachers, and a full-force attack on women. Almost half the voters knew he was in the Koch-pockets and voted against him. And when he started pulling this shiat, Wisconsin got its shiat together and brought in a million signatures to recall his ass.

No-one, no matter how misinformed they are, deserves anything like this, and in a few months, Wisconsin is going to kick his teeth in. That is, assuming he isn't already in jail like his veteran-charity-robbing-pedophile inner circle buddies.
 
2012-04-06 07:05:38 PM
I'm sorry, I just have to applaud the man for his dickishness. You asked for this Wisconsin, and now you get to spend the next ten years cleaning up the damage.
 
2012-04-06 07:08:34 PM
coffee smells good
Sorry bud but widely reported facts (e.g. there are 9 justices on the SCOTUS) only need to be cited to those who have no other argument and are one step away from name calling. This is not some obscure notion, only one that doesn't fit the theme of the far left.

What a load of bullshiat you're spouting. Your claim that there is no discriminatory basis for the gender wage gap is anything but a "widely reported fact". It's very much in dispute. There have been numerous articles published examining what factors create the wage gap including discrimination and yes, other possible factors. The 77% claim is in TFA. Try reading it. Want to refute it? Fine. Citation needed.

Between your pathetic refusal to back up your claim and your completely idiotic comment about Obama above, it's clear that there is absolutely zero value in engaging you further on this topic or any other. Shove off.
 
2012-04-06 07:08:47 PM

BSABSVR: Nutsac_Jim: its always " for the same job" and never for the same work.

Because you can't compare "work" as easily as you can the "same job".


sure you can. its easier. how many burgers does she make an hour vs him. how many scans an hour... etc etc.
 
2012-04-06 07:09:01 PM
I don't know what pisses me off most is that this happened or that he signed a bill that deals with abortion, and making abstinence being taught only in schools. I am sorry, but Walker is farking retarded, because he doesn't know how high teen pregnancy rates are in Wisconsin. I am close to an Area of Wisconsin that has some of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the US. It was even talked about on that stupid show What would you do? on ABC. There is not a lot to do in these smaller hick towns except to drink and fark. Kids need to learn that if you get that bored to do that shiat you need to be responsible.

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20120406/APC010401/120406060/Wisc o nsin-Gov-Scott-Walker-signs-sex-education-abortion-school-voucher-bill s (new window)

/Didn't vote for Walker in the elections, and signed the recall petition.
 
2012-04-06 07:10:11 PM
He never does anything unless it either increases his personal power or inflicts pain and suffering on the people of WI. They are the only two things he cares about.
 
2012-04-06 07:10:36 PM

CitizenTed: StanTheMan: OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

I know this is complicated, and I know you're retarded, but you may be able to survive this small leap. Ready?

The 2009 law was passed in order to make it less costly and less difficult for employees who have suffered pay discrimination - all employees, not just women - to seek legal redress with an employer. Pay discrimination occurs when an employer offers lower pay for the same job to different people based on gender, ethnicity, etc, regardless of merit or seniority inre hours worked. What Walker and the Republicans did was rescind this law so it is now significantly more expensive and difficult for someone to seek redress for such pay discrimination.

And you think this is OK because dermatologists don't make as much as heart surgeons? Really?

I must ask you: does being this stupid ever physically hurt? Like, headaches? That kind of thing?


Ted, go back to your drone cubicle and fark yourself. We business owners have to work on holidays to pay for lawyers to deal with meritless lawsuits from whiny little worker bees like yourself.
 
2012-04-06 07:10:47 PM
Bf+
He didn't run on eliminating collective bargaining, attacking the poor and the teachers, and a full-force attack on women. Almost half the voters knew he was in the Koch-pockets and voted against him. And when he started pulling this shiat, Wisconsin got its shiat together and brought in a million signatures to recall his ass.

Haven't polls so far shown a tight race in a theoretical recall election of Walker vs. Democrat?
 
2012-04-06 07:11:07 PM

Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.


Loving Scott Walker would require a sick form of Stockholm syndrome. Being loved by Scott Walker would imply that one is evil. Sometimes, there is a reason for hate.
 
2012-04-06 07:11:24 PM

WhyteRaven74: The_Six_Fingered_Man: #3: Internationally? Really? This is the one you want to hang your hat on? It should be no surprise to you that women are paid less than men INTERNATIONALLY when there are countries where women aren't even permitted to HAVE A JOB.

And yes, because women somewhere else have it worse, American women should just shut up.



Having reread every comment in this thread I'm not sure what the governor of any US state (Wisconsin in this instance) has anything to do with labor laws in any other country, say Egypt or Vietnam. Please connect the dots for me.
 
2012-04-06 07:11:36 PM

King Something: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sadly, I won't be a bit surprised if the recall election fails

The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.


Even if it means more pro-Walker votes than the population of Waukesha County.
 
2012-04-06 07:12:40 PM

pciszek: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

Loving Scott Walker would require a sick form of Stockholm syndrome. Being loved by Scott Walker would imply that one is the Mr. Potato Head his wife lets him play with after dinner.


fyp
 
2012-04-06 07:12:42 PM
If I understand the logic so far in this thread, this is bad news for white men. If a business can reduce its labor cost by hiring women, what's the point of keeping expensive, white men on the payroll since women provide equal results through their labor? This should be a boon for the employment of women and terrible for men.
 
2012-04-06 07:12:52 PM

fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.


And the 40% who didn't vote for "these assholes"?
 
2012-04-06 07:13:20 PM
Not getting paid enough for what you do?

Quit your job.

Works every time.

/oh wait, that would require rational behavior and thinking on your part. that's too much work.
 
2012-04-06 07:13:20 PM

Bf+: don't understand: fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.

You know what? Fark that shiat.

He didn't run on eliminating collective bargaining, attacking the poor and the teachers, and a full-force attack on women.


Actually, he sort of did...

"As part of his campaign platform, Walker said he would create 250,000 jobs in his first term through a program that would include tax reforms such as rolling back the 2009 state tax increases on small businesses, capital gains, and income for top earners, and cutting state employee wages and benefits to help pay for the tax cuts."

"He opposes abortion in all circumstances, including in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother... opposes state supported clinical services that provide birth control and testing and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases to teens under the age of 18 without parental consent... He supports the right of pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for contraceptives on religious or moral grounds."
 
2012-04-06 07:14:05 PM
Sounds good. We need there to be less laws preventing mutually agreeable terms of employment.

This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.
 
2012-04-06 07:15:35 PM
This state used to be something worthy of pride. It's like it all turned to shiat practically overnight.
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:15:52 PM

patrick767: Haven't polls so far shown a tight race in a theoretical recall election of Walker vs. Democrat?


Yup-- That's what the polls say, and I'm calling bullshiat.
 
2012-04-06 07:16:00 PM

BMFPitt: This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.


Except the law said nothing explicitly about women, it applied to any sort of wage discrimination.
 
2012-04-06 07:17:06 PM

MithrandirBooga: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

About that:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/07/07/128359804/unemployment-rat e- men-vs-women (new window)


Guess they are willing to work for less money.

It's really very simple. Remember before the 70s, when the man worked and the women had pretty much no choice but to stay home and be a wife? Then after the 70s, when women could work if they wanted and many of them did. Remember how the median income suddenly stopped keeping up with inflation about that time? Women being willing to work for less than men isn't a good thing. It's a freaking bad thing. It's killing the economy. It probably doomed the country and put the idea in the wealthiest people's heads that they were overpaying for workers.

It was all women's lib this, burn your bra that until it came time to negotiate for salary. Then it was back to being a meek little mouse that would take 70% of the normal fee. Then male salaries had to drop to compete. They don't look like they're going down due to inflation, but the median household wage has been sliding ever since those women decided that they could take 70% of a man's salary for doing the same job. No one made them do it. They just decided that they didn't want to compete on a level playing field, they wanted advantages without even thinking about what that would do to the country.

/Rant off
 
2012-04-06 07:17:57 PM
Awesome.

Sooner we stop pretending everyone is equal in the workplace, the better. There are real reasons why women earn less in some instances. Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, etc. Tough noogies.
 
2012-04-06 07:18:35 PM

Forgot_my_password_again: why any women would vote republican is a mystery.


They aren't as smart as men.


/I keeed!
 
2012-04-06 07:19:02 PM

BMFPitt: Sounds good. We need there to be less laws preventing mutually agreeable terms of employment.

This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.


Wow. Just...wow.
 
2012-04-06 07:20:36 PM
If anybody read the article instead of brainlessly emoting like the vaginated halfasses on here, they would know that there's no pay cuts anywhere in the bill that was repealed, it only means they can't go straight to Federal court and gum up the works because Margie the hot waittress got promoted to hostess and "Large Marge" is still washing dishes at minimum wage. Sometimes I think the best reason to not be liberal is because you're not a pussy.
 
2012-04-06 07:20:49 PM

mycatisposter: Koch Brothers are still the left's boogeyman? (boogeymen)


Please try to keep up. They have become the libertarians' boogeymen as well: Link (new window)
 
2012-04-06 07:20:52 PM

quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)


I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.
 
2012-04-06 07:21:10 PM

patrick767: coffee smells good
Sorry bud but widely reported facts (e.g. there are 9 justices on the SCOTUS) only need to be cited to those who have no other argument and are one step away from name calling. This is not some obscure notion, only one that doesn't fit the theme of the far left.

What a load of bullshiat you're spouting. Your claim that there is no discriminatory basis for the gender wage gap is anything but a "widely reported fact". It's very much in dispute. There have been numerous articles published examining what factors create the wage gap including discrimination and yes, other possible factors. The 77% claim is in TFA. Try reading it. Want to refute it? Fine. Citation needed.

Between your pathetic refusal to back up your claim and your completely idiotic comment about Obama above, it's clear that there is absolutely zero value in engaging you further on this topic or any other. Shove off.



Patty, before you lose your temper and leave you should know how postings in Fark work. Words in blue (often either the word "link" or a string that begins "http") are links to articles you must be too lazy to look up yourself. This thread has many from both posters on the far left & far right so you should be able to study them and determine in your own mind which side is being more factual.
 
2012-04-06 07:21:32 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: #1: Comparing all workers to all workers is futile. Compare similarly situated workers. Otherwise, you are engaging in an exercise in futility.


I'll compare similarly situated workers only if the male/female proportion is similar to the male/female proportion in the population. Otherwise, you're comparing the 50 women CEOs in Forbes 500 companies to the 450 men*, and that's the other half of the wage gap. It's not just that they're being paid less, it's that they're less likely to move up.

*Estimates based on what's in my head at the time.
 
2012-04-06 07:21:40 PM

Thunderpipes: Awesome.

Sooner we stop pretending everyone is equal in the workplace, the better. There are real reasons why women earn less in some instances. Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, etc. Tough noogies.


Men do that too you know. My cousin's husband went on paternity leave when she gave birth. They both wanted to spend time, and bond as a family.
 
2012-04-06 07:23:33 PM
I am just going to assume that Leehouse saw me in this thread, because he just gave me a month of TF! Thanks bro, I owe you more post cards that I never send, because I keep missing the damn mailman.
 
2012-04-06 07:23:51 PM

threadjackistan: They just decided that they didn't want to compete on a level playing field, they wanted advantages without even thinking about what that would do to the country.


So it's women's faults, not employers' faults, for lower pay?

Thunderpipes: Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, etc. Tough noogies.


And if we mandated a certain of sick days, better regulated working hours, had better family leave laws, your argument would be right out the window.

domenad: it only means they can't go straight to Federal court and gum up the works because Margie the hot waittress got promoted to hostess and "Large Marge" is still washing dishes at minimum wage.


Do you know how I know you don't actually understand the issue at hand?
 
2012-04-06 07:23:56 PM

Indubitably: quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)

I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.


P.P.S. Comma error: it's. Heh.
 
2012-04-06 07:24:31 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)

I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.

P.P.S. Comma error: it's. Heh.


Wait!

Apostrophe, really.

;)
 
2012-04-06 07:26:00 PM

WhyteRaven74: BMFPitt: This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.

Except the law said nothing explicitly about women, it applied to any sort of wage discrimination.


Yes, so if women were not statistically much more likely to utilize the law, then it wouldn't affect them disporportionally. But they are.
 
2012-04-06 07:26:54 PM

BMFPitt: then it wouldn't affect them disporportionally. But they are.


So how about going after those who cause that to happen, hint, it's not women.
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:27:29 PM

jeffowl: Bf+: don't understand: fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.

You know what? Fark that shiat.

He didn't run on eliminating collective bargaining, attacking the poor and the teachers, and a full-force attack on women.

Actually, he sort of did...

"As part of his campaign platform, Walker said he would create 250,000 jobs in his first term through a program that would include tax reforms such as rolling back the 2009 state tax increases on small businesses, capital gains, and income for top earners, and cutting state employee wages and benefits to help pay for the tax cuts."

"He opposes abortion in all circumstances, including in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother... opposes state supported clinical services that provide birth control and testing and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases to teens under the age of 18 without parental consent... He supports the right of pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for contraceptives on religious or moral grounds."


Well, there is that.
I remember how amazingly little coverage that got.
On the other side, there is video of him saying that he would work with the unions (not dissolve them) and there's no way he would have gotten the votes he did had he told the public the same thing he told his (prank caller) bosses.
 
2012-04-06 07:28:44 PM

IlGreven: The_Six_Fingered_Man: #1: Comparing all workers to all workers is futile. Compare similarly situated workers. Otherwise, you are engaging in an exercise in futility.

I'll compare similarly situated workers only if the male/female proportion is similar to the male/female proportion in the population. Otherwise, you're comparing the 50 women CEOs in Forbes 500 companies to the 450 men*, and that's the other half of the wage gap. It's not just that they're being paid less, it's that they're less likely to move up.

*Estimates based on what's in my head at the time.


So you'll rely on obviously skewed data? Ok then.

The 77 cents less number comes from measuring all female wages against all male wages. You don't see an inherent flaw in that methodology?
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:31:21 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: 77 cents


For the record, women in Wisconsin get 75 cents for every man-dollar.
Lower than the national average.
 
2012-04-06 07:34:56 PM

coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.


And how much legislation rolling back reproductive freedoms or equal pay has he either supported or advanced in any way?
 
2012-04-06 07:35:38 PM

patrick767: Smelly Pirate Hooker Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.

Umm.... did you RTFA? It was a party line vote. The Wisconsin republicans are to blame. Congressional democrats opposed it. But hey, don't let reality interfere with your "both sides are bad" mantra.



I wrote "all the douchebag politicians." If you feel Democrats do not belong in this category, then there's no reason for you to be offended.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I also didn't mention anything about "both" sides being bad. The Republicans are insufferable assholes. The Democrats are (mostly) spineless and ineffectual. If I have to choose a group to vote for, I gotta go Democrat.

Most of all, calm the fark down. I'm a stranger on the intertubes. No reason to get all verklempt over anything I type.
 
2012-04-06 07:36:05 PM

Thunderpipes: Awesome.

Sooner we stop pretending everyone is equal in the workplace, the better. There are real reasons why women earn less in some instances. Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, no penis, etc. Tough noogies.

 
2012-04-06 07:36:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: So how about going after those who cause that to happen, hint, it's not women.


They did. They repealed the law that allowed such suits to happen.

If A wants to hire B and C to do a job, B and C each agree that they want to do the job for the money offered, C finds out B was making more money. You are suggesting that this situation should involve a lawsuit. You are wrong on many levels.
 
2012-04-06 07:38:20 PM
Good, I'm tired of all of the favoritism that women are shown in my industry.
 
2012-04-06 07:39:26 PM

WhyteRaven74: threadjackistan: They just decided that they didn't want to compete on a level playing field, they wanted advantages without even thinking about what that would do to the country.

So it's women's faults, not employers' faults, for lower pay?


Sure it is, hold out for more. Strike, riot, set the building on fire! Dont just take it laying down and blame men for all your problems. Gender Inequality is only a symptom of a larger problem, solving it is like taking an ibuprofen when you have a headache caused by a brain tumor.
 
2012-04-06 07:39:57 PM

soy_bomb: If I understand the logic so far in this thread, this is bad news for white men. If a business can reduce its labor cost by hiring women, what's the point of keeping expensive, white men on the payroll since women provide equal results through their labor? This should be a boon for the employment of women and terrible for men.


True. I mean think of how much we could save if we'd just abolish that pesky minimum wage...

lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-04-06 07:42:37 PM

threadjackistan: Sure it is, hold out for more. Strike, riot, set the building on fire!


In my experience, rioting and arson are not the most effective paths to higher pay.

// Unless they took your stapler
 
2012-04-06 07:45:04 PM

crawlspace: Oh noes1!1! The Koch brothers!!!11!1! AAAAAAAAAA!!!11!01

When punitive and compensatory damages are available for employees to claim in discrimination cases at the state level, there are unpredictable costs to business -- and that leads to less investment and employees in business. Go Walker!


So, help me understand.

If a company breaks the law, participates in discriminatory employment practices and does generally evil shiat, the fact that there may be financial penalties is actually bad? Basically, your statement states (paraphrasing) that there's no discrimination a company could engage in that could possibly be bad enough to warrant any unpredictable costs?

You say "at the state level" indicating that states don't or shouldn't have the right to create regulations in addition to the federal government to protect their own residents.

That's it?

Damn, you're a dick.
 
2012-04-06 07:46:26 PM

BMFPitt: threadjackistan: Sure it is, hold out for more. Strike, riot, set the building on fire!

In my experience, rioting and arson are not the most effective paths to higher pay.

// Unless they took your stapler


Read.

Oops.

;)
 
2012-04-06 07:49:05 PM

coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.


I hope this is sarcasm because Obama not appointing or holding with women is in no way similar to the GOP plan to remove their rights and protections. To compare the two is intellectually dishonest at best.
 
2012-04-06 07:50:39 PM
Soooo...how many other states had this additional avenue of recourse? Is this a case of bringing Wisconsin back to a nationally-accepted status-quo?

If so, then good for Walker. Most laws that make a state different or more difficult to do business than surrounding states should be struck down.
 
2012-04-06 07:54:20 PM

coffee smells good: theorellior: coffee smells good: How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)

Oh, for fark's sake. This is what you're running with? THIS? THIS WEAKSAUCE?

CAN I GET A HIGHER CLASS OF TROLL AROUND HERE PLEASE?


I missed your response to Obama's poor showing with the number of female advisers he has. No snappy comeback for that one I guess?

The golf example is pertinent because just two days ago Obama called for the Augusta National club to start admitting female members. Kettle meet black.


No, no he didn't. He was asked if he thought they should allow women. He answered in the affirmative. If you're dumb enough to see those as the same, then, well, you're really dumb.

/Obama should have called them out. Enough with the old boys clubs.
 
2012-04-06 07:56:18 PM

Nutsac_Jim: BSABSVR: Nutsac_Jim: its always " for the same job" and never for the same work.

Because you can't compare "work" as easily as you can the "same job".

sure you can. its easier. how many burgers does she make an hour vs him. how many scans an hour... etc etc.


In assembly line work and call centers, sure. And then only when you control for shift differential and other factors. You can only make as many burgers as there are orders at the counter. You can only resolve the phone calls that come in during your shift.

And not every job can be measured in an objective level of output.
 
2012-04-06 07:57:07 PM
WOMEN ARE PAID MORE FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AND LEVEL OF WORK. The reason there is such a discrepancy in pay is that women work less hours, stay with the same job for less years, take breaks off for things like pregnancy, etc. And that's not even taking into account issues like women being much more likely to sue, or the fact that women tend to have non-technical degrees and don't even apply for the dangerous and/or messy and/or stressful jobs with higher pay. If you're female and actually qualified, like my sister who's working on a chemistry PhD or another sister who's a nurse, everyone's clamoring to hire you for good pay. And if there's discrimination, it's in favor of women, not men.

Blacks, I'm sorry to say, have a lot of the same problems. Blacks who have a proper education and work hard get paid at least as much as whites, but overall blacks get paid a lot less because they aren't as educated and aren't as reliable. Except for in sports, where blacks are massively overrepresented (to the point where whites are a minority in some sports like basketball or football...) Want better pay? Get an education growing up.
 
2012-04-06 07:58:03 PM

Wadded Beef: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

The GOP knows women can vote now, right?


Maybe they're working on that as part of a secret phase 2 plan. Otherwise they are farking themselves at every turn lately. Holy cow. Obama's ads are writing themselves..
 
2012-04-06 07:59:01 PM
Is Walker *trying* to destroy the GOP...?
 
2012-04-06 07:59:53 PM
What a dick!
 
2012-04-06 08:00:30 PM

StanTheMan: CitizenTed: StanTheMan: OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

I know this is complicated, and I know you're retarded, but you may be able to survive this small leap. Ready?

The 2009 law was passed in order to make it less costly and less difficult for employees who have suffered pay discrimination - all employees, not just women - to seek legal redress with an employer. Pay discrimination occurs when an employer offers lower pay for the same job to different people based on gender, ethnicity, etc, regardless of merit or seniority inre hours worked. What Walker and the Republicans did was rescind this law so it is now significantly more expensive and difficult for someone to seek redress for such pay discrimination.

And you think this is OK because dermatologists don't make as much as heart surgeons? Really?

I must ask you: does being this stupid ever physically hurt? Like, headaches? That kind of thing?

Ted, go back to your drone cubicle and fark yourself. We business owners have to work on holidays to pay for lawyers to deal with meritless lawsuits from whiny little worker bees like yourself.


Quit being evil bastards that need to be sued. That'll go a long way toward dropping your lawsuit counts.
 
2012-04-06 08:07:34 PM
i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...
 
2012-04-06 08:08:52 PM

King Something:
The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.


Kathy Niclaus was "asked" by the County Executive in Waukesha County to step down during the recall. The last straw may have been the recent primary elections, which she farked up six ways from Sunday.
 
2012-04-06 08:08:53 PM
Why can't crazy gunmen assassinate a Republican or a corporate bastard instead of civil rights leaders?
 
2012-04-06 08:11:10 PM

cmb53208: King Something:
The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.

Kathy Niclaus was "asked" by the County Executive in Waukesha County to step down during the recall. The last straw may have been the recent primary elections, which she farked up six ways from Sunday.


Yeah, but after everything that's happened to elections in that state, I think my default position is that the WI Republicans will do *anything* to win: stuff ballot boxes, perjury, beatings, threats, intimidation...even murder doesn't seem beyond their capabilities. I hope to god i'm wrong about that...but to be honest, my impression of the WI GOP is that they will do ANYTHING to win. literally - anything.
 
2012-04-06 08:17:24 PM

Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...


He's a tool remade.

;)
 
2012-04-06 08:18:55 PM

Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)


Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)
 
2012-04-06 08:31:51 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This state used to be something worthy of pride. It's like it all turned to shiat practically overnight.

Quite true...after Walker gets recalled I honestly think we should cut the Milwaukee 'burbs loose so they can form their own Texas North and leave the rest of us the fark alone.

 
2012-04-06 08:32:40 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)

Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)


Why do you keep replying to yourself? Are you stoned out of your gourd?
 
2012-04-06 08:33:52 PM

quoinguy: Soooo...how many other states had this additional avenue of recourse? Is this a case of bringing Wisconsin back to a nationally-accepted status-quo?

If so, then good for Walker. Most laws that make a state different or more difficult to do business than surrounding states should be struck down.


Oh yeah! Race to the bottom! Detroit for everyone!
 
2012-04-06 08:34:02 PM

threadjackistan: MithrandirBooga: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

About that:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/07/07/128359804/unemployment-rat e- men-vs-women (new window)

Guess they are willing to work for less money.

It's really very simple. Remember before the 70s, when the man worked and the women had pretty much no choice but to stay home and be a wife? Then after the 70s, when women could work if they wanted and many of them did. Remember how the median income suddenly stopped keeping up with inflation about that time? Women being willing to work for less than men isn't a good thing. It's a freaking bad thing. It's killing the economy. It probably doomed the country and put the idea in the wealthiest people's heads that they were overpaying for workers.

It was all women's lib this, burn your bra that until it came time to negotiate for salary. Then it was back to being a meek little mouse that would take 70% of the normal fee. Then male salaries had to drop to compete. They don't look like they're going down due to inflation, but the median household wage has been sliding ever since those women decided that they could take 70% of a man's salary for doing the same job. No one made them do it. They just dec ...


Holy shiat. Bra-vo. That was brilliant and hilarious. I almost fapped to that. 10/10.
 
2012-04-06 08:36:41 PM

xxdonjulioxx: old but intersting info:;
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=usgovinfo&cdn=n e wsissues&tm=70&gps=626_98_1436_754&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&b ts=1&zu=http%3A//www.gao.gov/new.items/d0435.pdf

From the government, so libs ought to love it.

There is a lot of math involved, so this gut breaks it down for you

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/womenspay.htm


"In conclusion, while we were able to account for much of the difference in
earnings between men and women, we were not able to explain the
remaining earnings difference."

Truly, the final word on the subject.
 
2012-04-06 08:36:45 PM

dr_blasto: quoinguy: Soooo...how many other states had this additional avenue of recourse? Is this a case of bringing Wisconsin back to a nationally-accepted status-quo?

If so, then good for Walker. Most laws that make a state different or more difficult to do business than surrounding states should be struck down.

Oh yeah! Race to the bottom! Detroit for everyone!


Yeah who needs workers rights anyways? We should take what we get from our employers Job Creators blessed be their name, no matter how small and be ever grateful for their gift regardless of how small it is.
 
2012-04-06 08:37:09 PM

Weaver95: cmb53208: King Something:
The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.

Kathy Niclaus was "asked" by the County Executive in Waukesha County to step down during the recall. The last straw may have been the recent primary elections, which she farked up six ways from Sunday.

Yeah, but after everything that's happened to elections in that state, I think my default position is that the WI Republicans will do *anything* to win: stuff ballot boxes, perjury, beatings, threats, intimidation...even murder doesn't seem beyond their capabilities. I hope to god i'm wrong about that...but to be honest, my impression of the WI GOP is that they will do ANYTHING to win. literally - anything.


That's a bit much. I expect to see shenanigans, sure, but we'll not see any legitimate violence. Those clowns are bad, but I don't think they're that bad.
 
2012-04-06 08:41:23 PM
I notice that a lot of people are commenting of the 77 cent matter and I recall this study being done for the labor department in 2009 on it so I will throw it in as well:

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20R e port.pdf

Basically summed up below:

There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.
 
2012-04-06 08:42:18 PM
Here's a condensed version of the Walker agenda:

Destroy public unions and collective bargaining rights. Check.

Destroy public education with massive cuts, to the tune of $1.6 billion. Check.

Destroy technical colleges with massive cuts. Check.

Destroy the University of Wisconsin and cut ANOTHER $300 million from UW. Check.

Destroy SeniorCare. Check.

Destroy BadgerCare so those poor people can fend for themselves. Check.

Destroy public schools' sex education. Check.

Give a gun to anyone who wants one, with no training. Check.

Destroy most existing environmental regulations, including a rollback of phosphorus restrictions. Check.

Remind women to get back in the kitchen. Check.

/Things haven't been this farked up since 1952. And not even then, really.
 
2012-04-06 08:43:23 PM

Weaver95:
Yeah, but after everything that's happened to elections in that state, I think my default position is that the WI Republicans will do *anything* to win: stuff ballot boxes, perjury, beatings, threats, intimidation...even murder doesn't seem beyond their capabilities. I hope to god i'm wrong about that...but to be honest, my impression of the WI GOP is that they will do ANYTHING to win. literally - anything.


It's a valid concern, some of them now have an online database of the 900,000-plus people who signed the recall petition, and some were "outed" to their employers, namely reporters for the newspaper in Green Bay, and even the main AM radio squack box in Milwaukee. Others were threatened, intimidated, and had prperty destroyed.

What gives me hope though is that one of their primary weapons is to act like complete assholes but turn around and whine like little biatches when people call them on their behavior. They're bullies yes, but they're so child-like it's amazing
 
2012-04-06 08:44:01 PM

bunner: Gov. Walker,

You are a douchebag, a clinical imbecile and a sock puppet c*nt.

History will wipe it's ass with you.

But you knew that.


Who gives a shiat about history? He no doubt has a job at Faux News all lined up, or failing that a position at K Street, or at the least a job as a "consultant" for some Koch Industries subsidiary, and in any case whatever he does he will be compensated with lots of money. If the policies he supports lead to the collapse of Western Civilization, who gives a shiat; apres moi, le deluge. It must be nice to be a sociopath.
 
2012-04-06 08:44:09 PM
I find it interesting that Obama is running against the Republicans, and especially the Tea Party, as a bloc, not just against Mittens. Clinton never did that, and got criticized for it roundly by the left (not to mention having to fight a Republican Congress his whole second term).

As big a pack of idiots as the teabaggers are, and as hard as they work to make themselves unpopular, I can't see it doing Obama anything but good, and it might even lead to the House changing hands.
 
2012-04-06 08:44:36 PM

cmb53208: They're bullies yes, but they're so child-like it's amazing


Also like bullies.
 
2012-04-06 08:46:17 PM
Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-06 08:50:13 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)

I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.

P.P.S. Comma error: it's. Heh.

Wait!

Apostrophe, really.

;)


So.... are you saying you're just a victim of the bell curve and so you are too dumb to understand that people are more complex than a paper doll?
 
2012-04-06 08:50:54 PM

Gergesa: I notice that a lot of people are commenting of the 77 cent matter and I recall this study being done for the labor department in 2009 on it so I will throw it in as well:

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20R e port.pdf

Basically summed up below:

There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.


Say you own a ranch and herd sheep. A bunch of wolves find their way onto your farm and kill your sheep. You build a fence to keep the wolves out, and it keeps the wolves out. Does that mean you can take down the fence now?
 
2012-04-06 08:52:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Indubitably: Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)

Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)

Why do you keep replying to yourself? Are you stoned out of your gourd?


He's a Gourdist? Farking SPLITTER!
 
2012-04-06 08:54:03 PM

dr_blasto: That's a bit much. I expect to see shenanigans, sure, but we'll not see any legitimate violence. Those clowns are bad, but I don't think they're that bad.


They just recently fire-bombed a Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-04-06 08:59:41 PM
Whatta douche!

Looking at MurphyMurphy's lineup of the Koch triplets, I can't help but be amazed at the asymmetry of Scott's head. Most people have minor differences between the two halves of their faces (and you really only notice it if you hold up a mirror midline). Scotty's head looks like it's two different people straight-up. Maybe his noggin got smooshed by the forceps when his momma squirted him out.

www.accreditedonlinecolleges.com
 
2012-04-06 09:00:49 PM

Serious Black: Gergesa: I notice that a lot of people are commenting of the 77 cent matter and I recall this study being done for the labor department in 2009 on it so I will throw it in as well:

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20R e port.pdf

Basically summed up below:

There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.

Say you own a ranch and herd sheep. A bunch of wolves find their way onto your farm and kill your sheep. You build a fence to keep the wolves out, and it keeps the wolves out. Does that mean you can take down the fence now?


Separate question. Previous post only deals with accuracy of 77 cent statement.
 
2012-04-06 09:03:51 PM
Yeah, women are great employees. That's why they make the best IT support.
 
2012-04-06 09:13:42 PM
I don't know if I made this clear earlier, but I thiink we need to cut the Milwaukee 'burbs (ie Waukesha, Ozaukee, and Washington Counties) loose. They've shown they're willing to take the rest of the state down when they don't get their own way; and their main "contributions" to the state have been a bunch of bigots, soccer moms, little brats trolling the Milwaukee ghetto for drugs, McMansions, speed traps, and strip malls. They don't like the liberals in Madison, the hicks up north, and the NI-BOOONNGGGS in Milwaukee? Fair enough, they can be their own state. They can build a capitol next to Office Depot. No one will miss them.
 
2012-04-06 09:15:24 PM

Serious Black: Say you own a ranch and herd sheep. A bunch of wolves find their way onto your farm and kill your sheep. You build a fence to keep the wolves out, and it keeps the wolves out. Does that mean you can take down the fence now?


simpsonswiki.netsimpsonswiki.net

Why do you believe that the law was responsible for shrinking the gap?
 
2012-04-06 09:15:30 PM
Meanwhile, in Michigan: Link (new window)
 
2012-04-06 09:20:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Indubitably: Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)

Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)

Why do you keep replying to yourself? Are you stoned out of your gourd?


Oh, totally.

Cheep beer and 'Mericuh...

I rock Pink Moon.

;)
 
2012-04-06 09:21:25 PM

quickdraw: Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)

I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.

P.P.S. Comma error: it's. Heh.

Wait!

Apostrophe, really.

;)

So.... are you saying you're just a victim of the bell curve and so you are too dumb to understand that people are more complex than a paper doll?


Yep.

I wilt in wind...

Not.

;)
 
2012-04-06 09:22:04 PM

CthulhuCalling: cameroncrazy1984: Indubitably: Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)

Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)

Why do you keep replying to yourself? Are you stoned out of your gourd?

He's a Gourdist? Farking SPLITTER!


My gourds twank in the wind...
 
2012-04-06 09:23:07 PM

Sushi and the Banshees: Here's a condensed version of the Walker agenda:

Destroy public unions and collective bargaining rights. Check.

Destroy public education with massive cuts, to the tune of $1.6 billion. Check.

Destroy technical colleges with massive cuts. Check.

Destroy the University of Wisconsin and cut ANOTHER $300 million from UW. Check.

Destroy SeniorCare. Check.

Destroy BadgerCare so those poor people can fend for themselves. Check.

Destroy public schools' sex education. Check.

Give a gun to anyone who wants one, with no training. Check.

Destroy most existing environmental regulations, including a rollback of phosphorus restrictions. Check.

Remind women to get back in the kitchen. Check.

/Things haven't been this farked up since 1952. And not even then, really.


Wow I guess even a complete idiot politician can manage one really good idea for every nine awful ones.
 
2012-04-06 09:25:56 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: dr_blasto: That's a bit much. I expect to see shenanigans, sure, but we'll not see any legitimate violence. Those clowns are bad, but I don't think they're that bad.

They just recently fire-bombed a Planned Parenthood.


True, and oddly that bit of terrorism barely made a blip in any news cycle-probably because the guy's a member of the true religion-of-peace.

I didn't equate the crazy clinic-bomber to the walker recall. We've experienced this specific type of violence and terrorism for decades and while there's certainly crossover between these nutjobs, I wouldn't accuse them of this level of egregious behavior until we see it. If it does get ugly, count me in for the drive up there.
 
2012-04-06 09:34:11 PM

BMFPitt: Serious Black: Say you own a ranch and herd sheep. A bunch of wolves find their way onto your farm and kill your sheep. You build a fence to keep the wolves out, and it keeps the wolves out. Does that mean you can take down the fence now?

[simpsonswiki.net image 250x193][simpsonswiki.net image 250x193]

Why do you believe that the law was responsible for shrinking the gap?


I'd say there is at least a rational basis for that idea, unlike the idea that my bear rock keeps the bears away which only has basis for Homer Simpson. If you have an alternative suggestion, I'm all ears.
 
2012-04-06 09:36:16 PM
I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?
 
2012-04-06 09:39:21 PM

ManRay: I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?


The Koch Brothers are the new Halliburton. Just the latest boogeyman.
 
2012-04-06 09:43:22 PM

Cagey B: steveGswine: Governors legislate now?

Yep. It's a completely new process that was invented in Wisconsin last week. You see, the Governor takes the bill that's been sent to him by the Legislature, and if he wants to enact it, he "signs" it, thereby signifying his approval. If he does not wish it to become law, he may "veto" it, thereby preventing it from taking effect.

I realize that this is a radical departure from all known forms of government in this country, and that it challenges the traditional role of "dispassionate, uninvolved cosmic observer" that has been bestowed upon Governors, allowing them to be insulated from the consequences of all policy decisions ever. So it's understandable that this is a new concept to you.


Sent to him by whom exactly? And people wonder how someone could have the audacity to say Obama got our debt rating lowered.

I don't care on whose team anyone is, claiming that either Walker or Obama has legislated (lately) is equally incorrect.
 
2012-04-06 09:50:22 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: ManRay: I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?

The Koch Brothers are the new Halliburton. Just the latest boogeyman.


no, the Koch brothers fund a lot of the WI Republican crazy.
 
2012-04-06 09:55:11 PM
I'm really at heart a centrist, get-along kind of guy. But I feel the far right and republican party are driving us towards a situation where the only rational response left is a scorched-earth, drive-them-before-you-and-hear-the lamentations-of-the-women, completely zero-sum partisan thunderdome of an election.

It certainly is the publicly declared strategy of the Far Right.

So be it. War they shall have, and we will play the Toque a Degüello.
 
2012-04-06 09:58:12 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: ManRay: I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?

The Koch Brothers are the new Halliburton. Just the latest boogeyman.


Ah. My step brother is going on about them all the time but it never seems to be anything concrete.

One of these days I am going to point out to him that the company he works for does a bunch of work for Koch owned clients. They make a bunch of money off them. His head might explode on the spot.
 
2012-04-06 09:58:12 PM

Any Pie Left: I'm really at heart a centrist, get-along kind of guy. But I feel the far right and republican party are driving us towards a situation where the only rational response left is a scorched-earth, drive-them-before-you-and-hear-the lamentations-of-the-women, completely zero-sum partisan thunderdome of an election.

It certainly is the publicly declared strategy of the Far Right.

So be it. War they shall have, and we will play the Toque a Degüello.


And so it is...

Scorched Earth.

;)
 
2012-04-06 10:10:03 PM

Weaver95: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ManRay: I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?

The Koch Brothers are the new Halliburton. Just the latest boogeyman.

no, the Koch brothers fund a lot of the WI Republican crazy.


Indeed, really, the first time the Koch brothers really came into national spotlight was because of WI. They also had their little think tank bus in hundreds of anti-protesters.

Really, these guys have kind of transcended bogeyman to legitimate Blofelds.
 
2012-04-06 10:12:47 PM

dr_blasto: Weaver95: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ManRay: I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?

The Koch Brothers are the new Halliburton. Just the latest boogeyman.

no, the Koch brothers fund a lot of the WI Republican crazy.

Indeed, really, the first time the Koch brothers really came into national spotlight was because of WI. They also had their little think tank bus in hundreds of anti-protesters.

Really, these guys have kind of transcended bogeyman to legitimate Blofelds.


Lest ye forget (pops-a-loppa)
 
2012-04-06 10:16:05 PM
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke
/both sides are bad
//so don't vote for either of them
///write-in vote against all of them

Thanks to morans like you, we got a mildly retarded president who started a war for fun, and let OBL get away.
We need people to vote, by throwing away your vote, rather than giving your candidate an earful, you let the evil men win.
When these evil men win, they stack the Supreme court with corporate lackeys. You have taken part in handing over tremendous
amounts of money, and power, to the rich. Turn in your US citizen card, or give it to a man who will stand up for what he believes in.
By voting for ghosts, you run away from the problem. Keep running. Or take a stand for once.
 
2012-04-06 10:20:07 PM
Lis Smith responded to Walker's repeal, calling on former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination, to take a position on the issue.

Yes Mr. Flippy-Floppy sham sham man, what say ye?
 
2012-04-06 10:20:26 PM

Ed Finnerty: Today a room full of kids asked me why Republicans hate America so much.

I didn't have an answer.


i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-06 10:21:17 PM

Serious Black: BMFPitt: Serious Black: Say you own a ranch and herd sheep. A bunch of wolves find their way onto your farm and kill your sheep. You build a fence to keep the wolves out, and it keeps the wolves out. Does that mean you can take down the fence now?

[simpsonswiki.net image 250x193][simpsonswiki.net image 250x193]

Why do you believe that the law was responsible for shrinking the gap?

I'd say there is at least a rational basis for that idea, unlike the idea that my bear rock keeps the bears away which only has basis for Homer Simpson. If you have an alternative suggestion, I'm all ears.


Women being more educated. The economy transitioning away from blue-collar where they have a natural disadvantage, to white-collar where they don't. The fact that it is no longer a novel thing to have female bosses.

And most importantly, the fact that business is not a charity for men. You'll have a hard time finding a business owner that is happy to pay a man more for the same work.

Bottom line, if the gap moves at all due to this, it's likely to shrink due to the reduced litigation risk.
 
2012-04-06 10:21:45 PM

dr_blasto: Weaver95: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ManRay: I still don't understand how the Koch brothers figure into this. Is there anything more than hearsay?

The Koch Brothers are the new Halliburton. Just the latest boogeyman.

no, the Koch brothers fund a lot of the WI Republican crazy.

Indeed, really, the first time the Koch brothers really came into national spotlight was because of WI. They also had their little think tank bus in hundreds of anti-protesters.

Really, these guys have kind of transcended bogeyman to legitimate Blofelds.


Democrats: 'gotdamn Koch brothers man...they just outright bought Gov Walker.'
GOP shills; 'nah, you guys are are nuts! there's no such thing as one powerful person just buying out an entire political organization! STFU already, ya tinfoil hat wearing nutballs!'
Democrats: 'George Soros.'
GOP shills: 'OMG! SOROS MEDIA! DUDE - HE LIKE CONTROLS THE DEMOCRATS FROM LIKE THIS SOOPER SEKRET LAIR! IT"S TRUE!
Democrats: 'you were saying?'
GOP shills: 'I hate you.'
 
2012-04-06 10:23:36 PM
Republicans = religion = no more abortions. It's a single issue vote for most folks in rural WI.
 
2012-04-06 10:27:16 PM
I am willing to bet that women with no children are still paid less than men in equivalent positions with equivalent experience.

Assertive men get paid more, assertive women are just biatches, that's pretty much the way it goes.
 
2012-04-06 10:28:25 PM

cmb53208: It's a valid concern, some of them now have an online database of the 900,000-plus people who signed the recall petition, and some were "outed" to their employers, namely reporters for the newspaper in Green Bay, and even the main AM radio squack box in Milwaukee. Others were threatened, intimidated, and had prperty destroyed.


It's the reason I didn't sign with my gf (who's losing about $225/mo because of this) because between the loon I know from high school who ran her FB friends through the list and my co-workers in an industry where it's fairly advantageous to be "conservative" it just wasn't worth the grief. I'm still surprised the Belling/Sykes/McKenna trioka were shocked they got the signatures.
 
2012-04-06 10:31:32 PM

ManRay: Ah. My step brother is going on about them all the time but it never seems to be anything concrete.


Well the Kochs did open a lobbyists office in Madison WI right after Walker took office. And they are trying to forcibly takeover the Cato Institute.
 
2012-04-06 10:33:24 PM

cmb53208: , and some were "outed" to their employers,


If I was a lawyer in Wisconsin I would be looking forward to my imminent retirement funded by the state's various idiots who are just making it too easy.
 
2012-04-06 10:33:30 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: I would consider voting for any Democrat that legally changed their first and middle names to 'Lesser Evil', just as a reward for the honesty. Even President Lesser Evil Obama would get a vote. Otherwise, their bad is 'pretend we are 'progressives' while mucking up healthcare reform and extending tax cuts' bad. No thanks.


I place those in the "weak and feckless" category. Both were caused mainly by attempts to appease Republicans so they wouldn't have to fight for what they really want.
 
2012-04-06 10:34:04 PM
Way to go after that female vote there Bud.
Again and again they farketh the chicken.
Stupid GOPers are stupid.
 
2012-04-06 10:35:31 PM

steveGswine: Governors legislate now?


Shh! Don't let reality get in the way of subtard's tirade.
 
2012-04-06 10:35:31 PM

Egalitarian: I am willing to bet that women with no children are still paid less than men in equivalent positions with equivalent experience.

Assertive men get paid more, assertive women are just biatches, that's pretty much the way it goes.


I am willing to bet Wisconsic is full of drunks and cheese-eaters...

Heh.

I a funny, no?

Apologies.

;)
 
2012-04-06 10:37:57 PM

WhyteRaven74: cmb53208: , and some were "outed" to their employers,

If I was a lawyer in Wisconsin I would be looking forward to my imminent retirement funded by the state's various idiots who are just making it too easy.


I suspect that the Koch Brothers do have a few Politicians in their pocket. They probably think they are untouchable and that their money is above civil retribution. And, they'll out spend you to prove it.
 
2012-04-06 10:40:08 PM

fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.


I didn't vote for him.

/Signed the recall petition.
//Plan on voting his ass out.
 
2012-04-06 10:41:01 PM

Belias: steveGswine: Governors legislate now?

Shh! Don't let reality get in the way of subtard's tirade.


The reality is he did not legislate, he signed a Bill that repeals.
 
2012-04-06 10:42:54 PM
Speaking of legislation... my new favorite sign in the class of "Get a Brain, Morans" is on Cleveland Ave. in New Berlin near the county line. It's a hand doing a "This Guy" thing that says "We Killed +700 Minning Jobs your welcome". If you're going to insult your opponents, at least get your grammar correct.

/I'd take a picture if my phone didn't suck
//Hopefully didn't leave anything there for The Grammer Core.
 
2012-04-06 10:54:52 PM
The way we get to this point is by having endless gerrymandering on both sides to where you end up with solid Republican districts vs solid Democrat districts.

Who votes in primaries? Diehard fanatics of both parties, so you end up with ultra-Right/Left candidates and then when they get into office they govern in an 'ultra' way.

ultra-Democrats tend to do too much goody-goody social shiat, and ultra-Republicans tend to take us back to the 1950s.

Gerrymandering is the real problem here.
 
2012-04-06 10:58:22 PM
How exactly Walker the bad guy when not a single Democrat would approve an iron mine last month? Worst case scenario, according to the crybabies here, is every chick gets a demotion now. At least if the mine were opening there would be a job from which to be demoted.

WE NEED JORBS--BUT NOT ONES THAT MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE DIRT!!!

The libs in this state p*ss me off to no end.
 
2012-04-06 11:02:24 PM

Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees


No...they really don't. Or rather, the difference when comparing exact job parity is VERY small, and is usually attributed to men being more aggressive in salary negotiations.
 
2012-04-06 11:06:09 PM

WhyteRaven74:
If I was a lawyer in Wisconsin I would be looking forward to my imminent retirement funded by the state's various idiots who are just making it too easy.


I'm not sure that a laywer could do anything given that political beliefs aren't a protected class in Wisconsin, and we're an at-will state besides. An employer would simply tell them "Because fark you, that's why" as to why they were fired, and it would be legal. They'd be awarded unemployment benefits of course.
 
2012-04-06 11:08:06 PM

quoinguy: WE NEED JORBS--BUT NOT ONES THAT MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE DIRT!!!


You know mining is much riskier than just getting dirty right?

Of course you do, you're just using a dishonest talking point.
 
2012-04-06 11:21:04 PM

daemoncan: Whatta douche!

Looking at MurphyMurphy's lineup of the Koch triplets, I can't help but be amazed at the asymmetry of Scott's head. Most people have minor differences between the two halves of their faces (and you really only notice it if you hold up a mirror midline). Scotty's head looks like it's two different people straight-up. Maybe his noggin got smooshed by the forceps when his momma squirted him out.

[www.accreditedonlinecolleges.com image 200x200]


i121.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-06 11:34:34 PM
Walker is a true Koch sucker.
 
2012-04-06 11:52:21 PM
I swear I have the worst representatives in the entire country. Plus my county is soooooooooooo boring and we have the highest unemployment rate in the state, so everyone here is depressed and broke.

Paul Ryan is my state rep. while Walker is my governor. FML.
 
2012-04-07 12:02:42 AM

fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.


Not I! Fark that guy and his Koch agenda.
 
2012-04-07 12:07:19 AM

fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.


Then would you care to have given us a Democrat who knew his ass from his elbow in 2010? Or better yet, in 2002 when we though Jim Doyle wasn't going to burn every bridge he'd made over the years in Madison and Milwaukee thus crippling whoever ran in 2010. The last gubernatorial race in state was truly a Turd Sandwich vs. Giant Douche example if ever there was.
 
2012-04-07 12:39:25 AM
Koch Koch Koch! Boogity Boogity!

After all the shenanigans of the Democrat flee-baggers, this guy could kick a puppy and I would still applaud it. Eff them.
 
2012-04-07 01:23:43 AM

STRYPERSWINE: After all the shenanigans of the Democrat flee-baggers


Man you guys really are desperate to make that stick huh?

I can sense your butthurt all the way here in MO and it pleases me.
 
2012-04-07 01:25:38 AM

Peter von Nostrand: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

You realize that women make less when doing the same jobs, right? Of course you don't but please go back to blaming public employees


Right. So, why would anyone hire a man, ever?

Businesses are happy to run a 10% profit margin. And labor is usually the largest expense category. A 23% reduction in labor costs is ENORMOUS for the bottom line. It could easily double profits, putting a business into the "cash cow" category.

Businessmen are greedy money-grubbing bastards, right?

Or is there something less valuable about a woman in the workforce, that offsets their bargain wage level?

Could it be: more likely to get married and quit? Less passionate about career development? Less able to solve certain classes of problem? Mmmmm?

Nah. It must be that greedy money grubbing businessmen are leaving a 23% reduction in labor costs on the table.
 
2012-04-07 01:26:26 AM

Indubitably: Any Pie Left: I'm really at heart a centrist, get-along kind of guy. But I feel the far right and republican party are driving us towards a situation where the only rational response left is a scorched-earth, drive-them-before-you-and-hear-the lamentations-of-the-women, completely zero-sum partisan thunderdome of an election.

It certainly is the publicly declared strategy of the Far Right.

So be it. War they shall have, and we will play the Toque a Degüello.

And so it is...

Scorched Earth.

;)


Governor Walker's last day in office:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-07 02:30:33 AM

quoinguy: How exactly Walker the bad guy when not a single Democrat would approve an iron mine last month? Worst case scenario, according to the crybabies here, is every chick gets a demotion now. At least if the mine were opening there would be a job from which to be demoted.

WE NEED JORBS--BUT NOT ONES THAT MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE DIRT!!!

The libs in this state p*ss me off to no end.


You know that whole "I call everybody a crybaby so I'm a BIG MAN! An AMERICAN!" pose that was so popular in the 00's? Yeah., about that. So, you hiring?
 
2012-04-07 02:45:20 AM
Has anyone pointed out that the law in question allows a person to sue in state court another person who "discriminates in employment, unfair honesty testing, or unfair genetic testing to pay compensatory and punitive damages.";

and that even after the repeal such discrimination suits can still be filed in fed court?

When a dem congressman accused the republicans of repealing a law that ensured equal pay, Politifact determined that statement to be "Mostly False."
Link

oh well. Koch, Koch, Koch. The Koch brothers want to deny woman birth control and keep them in the kitchen all day. Agggggggggggggggggggh! Lets burn this mother down!
 
2012-04-07 02:59:20 AM

Egalitarian: I am willing to bet that women with no children are still paid less than men in equivalent positions with equivalent experience.


There is some difference between men and women-without-children. But even according to biased sources like NOW it's about 10%, so the real number is probably closer to ~5%.

It's still something worth fixing, but it's quite small compared to say, the pay gap for race. Heck, even comparing all white women (including those with children) to black men, women come out ahead.

In short, the gender pay gap, at least for women-without-children, is not high on the list of economic injustice in our society.
 
2012-04-07 03:41:20 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: dr_blasto: That's a bit much. I expect to see shenanigans, sure, but we'll not see any legitimate violence. Those clowns are bad, but I don't think they're that bad.

They just recently fire-bombed a Planned Parenthood.


Scratch a pro-lifer, find a terrorist.
 
2012-04-07 07:58:45 AM

King Something: And besides, the "debunked canard" says that the pay difference is for the same work -- comparing the average pay for men in any given job to the average pay for women in THE EXACT SAME JOB. Of course a pediatrician or a dermatologist would make less than an open-heart surgeon, just like the girl running the fry machine at McDonald's makes less than the head chef at a five-star restaurant, and the old crone driving the school bus makes less than Dale Jr. or Sebastian Vettel. They didn't compare female skin docs to male heart docs to come up with this figure.


The 77 cents figure comes from the department of labor and is only comparing average annual pay, it does NOT compare equal jobs. Studies that compare similar jobs put the number in the mid to high 80's, so still a gap just a smaller one. Even the White House report on the status of women indicated that among young women even the average gap was closer to 90%, it also indicated that women on average (not in that particular age group, so it's not apples-to-apples) work around 90% of the hours men work. 90% of the pay for 90% of the hours worked, weird. It doesn't mean there's no discrimination, there's tons of it, but when it was suggested that the 7x% figure is more about marketing the issue than an actual comparison he wasn't wrong.
 
2012-04-07 09:59:14 AM

Holfax: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: I would consider voting for any Democrat that legally changed their first and middle names to 'Lesser Evil', just as a reward for the honesty. Even President Lesser Evil Obama would get a vote. Otherwise, their bad is 'pretend we are 'progressives' while mucking up healthcare reform and extending tax cuts' bad. No thanks.

I place those in the "weak and feckless" category. Both were caused mainly by attempts to appease Republicans so they wouldn't have to fight for what they really want.


After the 2008 election, remember the conservative planning sessions. Apparently, at those meetings, they decided to turn the derp up to 11 and keep it there, no matter what. Screw the last election, as far as they were concerned, any 'mandate' for Obama was meaningless to them. No compromise, no working with Obama, either move the country right or fall and start over. It worked for the 2010 elections and It might take the Senate this year. The only upside of the Democrats is that it might further clean out the Blue Dogs.

'Weak and feckless', in the face of this ideologically motivated program is the equivalent of 'evil and useless'.
 
2012-04-07 10:08:10 AM

Injuneer: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke
/both sides are bad
//so don't vote for either of them
///write-in vote against all of them
Thanks to morans like you, we got a mildly retarded president who started a war for fun, and let OBL get away.
We need people to vote, by throwing away your vote, rather than giving your candidate an earful, you let the evil men win.
When these evil men win, they stack the Supreme court with corporate lackeys. You have taken part in handing over tremendous
amounts of money, and power, to the rich. Turn in your US citizen card, or give it to a man who will stand up for what he believes in.
By voting for ghosts, you run away from the problem. Keep running. Or take a stand for once.


Sadly, I held my nose and voted Democrat in every election up to 2008, so I guess I was a man up to that point?

Throwing away your vote on people and parties whose principles and objectives don't meet your minimum standards is worse than not voting at all. Choose who and what to support and take a stand for once.
 
2012-04-07 11:02:31 AM

FnkyTwn:
ultra-Democrats tend to do too much goody-goody social shiat, and ultra-Republicans tend to take us back to the 1950s.


Was that one of those weird false equivalence claims?

I'd like an explanation!
 
2012-04-07 12:23:40 PM

STRYPERSWINE: this guy could kick a puppy and I would still applaud it.


i'm guessing you'd probably

i36.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-07 01:33:15 PM

ambercat: I'm honestly surprised no one has taken a baseball bat to this guy's balls yet.


You're too generous.
 
2012-04-07 01:42:36 PM

Wolf_Cub: JBangworthy: Has anyone actually bothered to read the law? I realize that 99.99% or more evaluate the substance of a law by its title. The legislature knows this too, so they can write a law declaring the homeless be fed to bears as long as they title it "The Helping Poor People Not Be Poor Anymore" Act of 2012. I realize that Walker's the ultimate racist/mysoginist/neo-Nazi, but it's still possible this is just a poorly designed law, and repealling it won't have any effect at all.

Just out of curiousity, did you actually read the article? It clearly stated that this legislation REPEALED existing legislation that was passed in 2009.



Yes, I understand that. I thought the context of the discussion would easily imply that I was referring to the 2009 law which was repealled. I'll be sure to spell things out way more simply in the future.
 
2012-04-07 01:43:44 PM

STRYPERSWINE: After all the shenanigans of the Democrat flee-baggers, this guy could kick a puppy and I would still applaud it. Eff them.


What's wrong with a jurisdictional version of the filibuster? You're just miffed that Walker couldn't ram the bill down even faster, and with no debate whatsoever.

Also, why did the measure have to be ramrodded through despite having to violate two laws (open meetings law, and the quorum), while having a friendly judge (Prosser) provide judicial cover? Walker and his friends pushed through the ALEC-written measure as if it was Obamacare.

Your guy might survive, but his legacy will be of a big-government individual that created a budget deficit, paid down the imaginary deficit with stimulus money, and ends up having his measures reversed permanently.
 
2012-04-08 04:55:56 PM
Walker will win again. This whole recall is a complete waste of time. If anything, it has galvanized his supporters even more.
 
2012-04-08 10:11:39 PM
Hey Ladies,

DTMB just sending you a friendly reminder that April 8th is the recall primary elections, and June 5th is the recall election. As you know, you are under attack by the GOP. Here is just one more clearcut example of how the WI GOP in particular is actively taking actions to hurt you. Luckily there is something you can do. Get to the polls and vote. Make sure you have an up-to-date state ID, just in case one of their other voter suppression attempts comes back into play before the election. You don't want to be turned away at the polls.

Sincerely,
DTMB

P.S. You've got two options. Get your ass to the polls, or get your ass back in the kitchen. If these people remain in power you may only have one option next time around.
 
2012-04-09 02:32:57 PM

Wadded Beef: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

The GOP knows women can vote now, right?


I believe that problem is next on their list.
 
2012-04-10 12:24:31 AM

sethstorm: What's wrong with a jurisdictional version of the filibuster?


Let's pretend for a moment that you weren't in self-imposed isolation in your mom's basement and you actually had a paying job. Do you think you're boss would be cool if you just took off for a couple of weeks because you didn't agree with your co-workers? Would you expect to be paid and then cry to anyone who'd listen that your mean coworkers threaten to hold your paycheck in the office until you physically show up back at the office?

If that sounds slightly childish, there's your answer on your "jurisdictional filibuster"? If it still makes sense to you, take your EBT buy as much heroin as possible and shoot it up all at once.....it's dumbasses like you who are a boat anchor on society.
 
2012-04-10 12:47:35 AM
What an asshole.
 
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