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2012-04-06 07:14:05 PM
Sounds good. We need there to be less laws preventing mutually agreeable terms of employment.

This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.
 
2012-04-06 07:15:35 PM
This state used to be something worthy of pride. It's like it all turned to shiat practically overnight.
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:15:52 PM

patrick767: Haven't polls so far shown a tight race in a theoretical recall election of Walker vs. Democrat?


Yup-- That's what the polls say, and I'm calling bullshiat.
 
2012-04-06 07:16:00 PM

BMFPitt: This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.


Except the law said nothing explicitly about women, it applied to any sort of wage discrimination.
 
2012-04-06 07:17:06 PM

MithrandirBooga: StanTheMan: "Women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health."

OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

If women really worked for 77% of what men made, who in their right minds would hire men when there is that cheap labor out there?

But thank you for reminding me to donate to Walker's re-election campaign. Can't wait to see these farkhead public employees lose again.

About that:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/07/07/128359804/unemployment-rat e- men-vs-women (new window)


Guess they are willing to work for less money.

It's really very simple. Remember before the 70s, when the man worked and the women had pretty much no choice but to stay home and be a wife? Then after the 70s, when women could work if they wanted and many of them did. Remember how the median income suddenly stopped keeping up with inflation about that time? Women being willing to work for less than men isn't a good thing. It's a freaking bad thing. It's killing the economy. It probably doomed the country and put the idea in the wealthiest people's heads that they were overpaying for workers.

It was all women's lib this, burn your bra that until it came time to negotiate for salary. Then it was back to being a meek little mouse that would take 70% of the normal fee. Then male salaries had to drop to compete. They don't look like they're going down due to inflation, but the median household wage has been sliding ever since those women decided that they could take 70% of a man's salary for doing the same job. No one made them do it. They just decided that they didn't want to compete on a level playing field, they wanted advantages without even thinking about what that would do to the country.

/Rant off
 
2012-04-06 07:17:57 PM
Awesome.

Sooner we stop pretending everyone is equal in the workplace, the better. There are real reasons why women earn less in some instances. Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, etc. Tough noogies.
 
2012-04-06 07:18:35 PM

Forgot_my_password_again: why any women would vote republican is a mystery.


They aren't as smart as men.


/I keeed!
 
2012-04-06 07:19:02 PM

BMFPitt: Sounds good. We need there to be less laws preventing mutually agreeable terms of employment.

This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.


Wow. Just...wow.
 
2012-04-06 07:20:36 PM
If anybody read the article instead of brainlessly emoting like the vaginated halfasses on here, they would know that there's no pay cuts anywhere in the bill that was repealed, it only means they can't go straight to Federal court and gum up the works because Margie the hot waittress got promoted to hostess and "Large Marge" is still washing dishes at minimum wage. Sometimes I think the best reason to not be liberal is because you're not a pussy.
 
2012-04-06 07:20:49 PM

mycatisposter: Koch Brothers are still the left's boogeyman? (boogeymen)


Please try to keep up. They have become the libertarians' boogeymen as well: Link (new window)
 
2012-04-06 07:20:52 PM

quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)


I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.
 
2012-04-06 07:21:10 PM

patrick767: coffee smells good
Sorry bud but widely reported facts (e.g. there are 9 justices on the SCOTUS) only need to be cited to those who have no other argument and are one step away from name calling. This is not some obscure notion, only one that doesn't fit the theme of the far left.

What a load of bullshiat you're spouting. Your claim that there is no discriminatory basis for the gender wage gap is anything but a "widely reported fact". It's very much in dispute. There have been numerous articles published examining what factors create the wage gap including discrimination and yes, other possible factors. The 77% claim is in TFA. Try reading it. Want to refute it? Fine. Citation needed.

Between your pathetic refusal to back up your claim and your completely idiotic comment about Obama above, it's clear that there is absolutely zero value in engaging you further on this topic or any other. Shove off.



Patty, before you lose your temper and leave you should know how postings in Fark work. Words in blue (often either the word "link" or a string that begins "http") are links to articles you must be too lazy to look up yourself. This thread has many from both posters on the far left & far right so you should be able to study them and determine in your own mind which side is being more factual.
 
2012-04-06 07:21:32 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: #1: Comparing all workers to all workers is futile. Compare similarly situated workers. Otherwise, you are engaging in an exercise in futility.


I'll compare similarly situated workers only if the male/female proportion is similar to the male/female proportion in the population. Otherwise, you're comparing the 50 women CEOs in Forbes 500 companies to the 450 men*, and that's the other half of the wage gap. It's not just that they're being paid less, it's that they're less likely to move up.

*Estimates based on what's in my head at the time.
 
2012-04-06 07:21:40 PM

Thunderpipes: Awesome.

Sooner we stop pretending everyone is equal in the workplace, the better. There are real reasons why women earn less in some instances. Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, etc. Tough noogies.


Men do that too you know. My cousin's husband went on paternity leave when she gave birth. They both wanted to spend time, and bond as a family.
 
2012-04-06 07:23:33 PM
I am just going to assume that Leehouse saw me in this thread, because he just gave me a month of TF! Thanks bro, I owe you more post cards that I never send, because I keep missing the damn mailman.
 
2012-04-06 07:23:51 PM

threadjackistan: They just decided that they didn't want to compete on a level playing field, they wanted advantages without even thinking about what that would do to the country.


So it's women's faults, not employers' faults, for lower pay?

Thunderpipes: Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, etc. Tough noogies.


And if we mandated a certain of sick days, better regulated working hours, had better family leave laws, your argument would be right out the window.

domenad: it only means they can't go straight to Federal court and gum up the works because Margie the hot waittress got promoted to hostess and "Large Marge" is still washing dishes at minimum wage.


Do you know how I know you don't actually understand the issue at hand?
 
2012-04-06 07:23:56 PM

Indubitably: quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)

I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.


P.P.S. Comma error: it's. Heh.
 
2012-04-06 07:24:31 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: quickdraw: Indubitably: Switch the binary.

Love/Hate,

Hate/Love.

You own the switch.


Reality is not a simple binary switch. It is a multi-layered continuum full of inherent simultaneous contradictions. Your mutually exclusive polarity reductionism is absurd and annoying babe. ;)

I know, babe, but its the masses...

And condescension works, right? Amirite?

B/c according to the bell-curve, there are WAY-yyyy more dumb folks than smrt folks, right?

And according to polling, to condescend is to win...

;)

P.S. Pink Moon.

P.P.S. Comma error: it's. Heh.


Wait!

Apostrophe, really.

;)
 
2012-04-06 07:26:00 PM

WhyteRaven74: BMFPitt: This should remove a small part of the legislative deterrent from hiring women.

Except the law said nothing explicitly about women, it applied to any sort of wage discrimination.


Yes, so if women were not statistically much more likely to utilize the law, then it wouldn't affect them disporportionally. But they are.
 
2012-04-06 07:26:54 PM

BMFPitt: then it wouldn't affect them disporportionally. But they are.


So how about going after those who cause that to happen, hint, it's not women.
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:27:29 PM

jeffowl: Bf+: don't understand: fusillade762: Sorry Wisconsin, you voted for these assholes, this is what you get.

You know what? Fark that shiat.

He didn't run on eliminating collective bargaining, attacking the poor and the teachers, and a full-force attack on women.

Actually, he sort of did...

"As part of his campaign platform, Walker said he would create 250,000 jobs in his first term through a program that would include tax reforms such as rolling back the 2009 state tax increases on small businesses, capital gains, and income for top earners, and cutting state employee wages and benefits to help pay for the tax cuts."

"He opposes abortion in all circumstances, including in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother... opposes state supported clinical services that provide birth control and testing and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases to teens under the age of 18 without parental consent... He supports the right of pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for contraceptives on religious or moral grounds."


Well, there is that.
I remember how amazingly little coverage that got.
On the other side, there is video of him saying that he would work with the unions (not dissolve them) and there's no way he would have gotten the votes he did had he told the public the same thing he told his (prank caller) bosses.
 
2012-04-06 07:28:44 PM

IlGreven: The_Six_Fingered_Man: #1: Comparing all workers to all workers is futile. Compare similarly situated workers. Otherwise, you are engaging in an exercise in futility.

I'll compare similarly situated workers only if the male/female proportion is similar to the male/female proportion in the population. Otherwise, you're comparing the 50 women CEOs in Forbes 500 companies to the 450 men*, and that's the other half of the wage gap. It's not just that they're being paid less, it's that they're less likely to move up.

*Estimates based on what's in my head at the time.


So you'll rely on obviously skewed data? Ok then.

The 77 cents less number comes from measuring all female wages against all male wages. You don't see an inherent flaw in that methodology?
 
Bf+
2012-04-06 07:31:21 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: 77 cents


For the record, women in Wisconsin get 75 cents for every man-dollar.
Lower than the national average.
 
2012-04-06 07:34:56 PM

coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.


And how much legislation rolling back reproductive freedoms or equal pay has he either supported or advanced in any way?
 
2012-04-06 07:35:38 PM

patrick767: Smelly Pirate Hooker Not to give him any credit, he didn't do it by himself. Governor can't sign anything into law that wasn't created by the legislature to begin with. So people in Wisconsin can thank all the douchebag politicians for this one, not just the head douchebag.

Umm.... did you RTFA? It was a party line vote. The Wisconsin republicans are to blame. Congressional democrats opposed it. But hey, don't let reality interfere with your "both sides are bad" mantra.



I wrote "all the douchebag politicians." If you feel Democrats do not belong in this category, then there's no reason for you to be offended.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I also didn't mention anything about "both" sides being bad. The Republicans are insufferable assholes. The Democrats are (mostly) spineless and ineffectual. If I have to choose a group to vote for, I gotta go Democrat.

Most of all, calm the fark down. I'm a stranger on the intertubes. No reason to get all verklempt over anything I type.
 
2012-04-06 07:36:05 PM

Thunderpipes: Awesome.

Sooner we stop pretending everyone is equal in the workplace, the better. There are real reasons why women earn less in some instances. Sick days, willingness to put extra time in, babies, no penis, etc. Tough noogies.

 
2012-04-06 07:36:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: So how about going after those who cause that to happen, hint, it's not women.


They did. They repealed the law that allowed such suits to happen.

If A wants to hire B and C to do a job, B and C each agree that they want to do the job for the money offered, C finds out B was making more money. You are suggesting that this situation should involve a lawsuit. You are wrong on many levels.
 
2012-04-06 07:38:20 PM
Good, I'm tired of all of the favoritism that women are shown in my industry.
 
2012-04-06 07:39:26 PM

WhyteRaven74: threadjackistan: They just decided that they didn't want to compete on a level playing field, they wanted advantages without even thinking about what that would do to the country.

So it's women's faults, not employers' faults, for lower pay?


Sure it is, hold out for more. Strike, riot, set the building on fire! Dont just take it laying down and blame men for all your problems. Gender Inequality is only a symptom of a larger problem, solving it is like taking an ibuprofen when you have a headache caused by a brain tumor.
 
2012-04-06 07:39:57 PM

soy_bomb: If I understand the logic so far in this thread, this is bad news for white men. If a business can reduce its labor cost by hiring women, what's the point of keeping expensive, white men on the payroll since women provide equal results through their labor? This should be a boon for the employment of women and terrible for men.


True. I mean think of how much we could save if we'd just abolish that pesky minimum wage...

lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-04-06 07:42:37 PM

threadjackistan: Sure it is, hold out for more. Strike, riot, set the building on fire!


In my experience, rioting and arson are not the most effective paths to higher pay.

// Unless they took your stapler
 
2012-04-06 07:45:04 PM

crawlspace: Oh noes1!1! The Koch brothers!!!11!1! AAAAAAAAAA!!!11!01

When punitive and compensatory damages are available for employees to claim in discrimination cases at the state level, there are unpredictable costs to business -- and that leads to less investment and employees in business. Go Walker!


So, help me understand.

If a company breaks the law, participates in discriminatory employment practices and does generally evil shiat, the fact that there may be financial penalties is actually bad? Basically, your statement states (paraphrasing) that there's no discrimination a company could engage in that could possibly be bad enough to warrant any unpredictable costs?

You say "at the state level" indicating that states don't or shouldn't have the right to create regulations in addition to the federal government to protect their own residents.

That's it?

Damn, you're a dick.
 
2012-04-06 07:46:26 PM

BMFPitt: threadjackistan: Sure it is, hold out for more. Strike, riot, set the building on fire!

In my experience, rioting and arson are not the most effective paths to higher pay.

// Unless they took your stapler


Read.

Oops.

;)
 
2012-04-06 07:49:05 PM

coffee smells good: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

You might want to do a little research into Obama's own "war on women" if you're going to throw that tired mantra out.

How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)
How about his advisers compared to predecessors? (hint even Time magazine ran an article last year about the "boy's only club" Obama leads.)

Don't just repeat the quote of the day unless you understand that your sources might be hiding facts.


I hope this is sarcasm because Obama not appointing or holding with women is in no way similar to the GOP plan to remove their rights and protections. To compare the two is intellectually dishonest at best.
 
2012-04-06 07:50:39 PM
Soooo...how many other states had this additional avenue of recourse? Is this a case of bringing Wisconsin back to a nationally-accepted status-quo?

If so, then good for Walker. Most laws that make a state different or more difficult to do business than surrounding states should be struck down.
 
2012-04-06 07:54:20 PM

coffee smells good: theorellior: coffee smells good: How many women play golf with Obama the first 23 times he hit the links in 2009? (hint less than 1)

Oh, for fark's sake. This is what you're running with? THIS? THIS WEAKSAUCE?

CAN I GET A HIGHER CLASS OF TROLL AROUND HERE PLEASE?


I missed your response to Obama's poor showing with the number of female advisers he has. No snappy comeback for that one I guess?

The golf example is pertinent because just two days ago Obama called for the Augusta National club to start admitting female members. Kettle meet black.


No, no he didn't. He was asked if he thought they should allow women. He answered in the affirmative. If you're dumb enough to see those as the same, then, well, you're really dumb.

/Obama should have called them out. Enough with the old boys clubs.
 
2012-04-06 07:56:18 PM

Nutsac_Jim: BSABSVR: Nutsac_Jim: its always " for the same job" and never for the same work.

Because you can't compare "work" as easily as you can the "same job".

sure you can. its easier. how many burgers does she make an hour vs him. how many scans an hour... etc etc.


In assembly line work and call centers, sure. And then only when you control for shift differential and other factors. You can only make as many burgers as there are orders at the counter. You can only resolve the phone calls that come in during your shift.

And not every job can be measured in an objective level of output.
 
2012-04-06 07:57:07 PM
WOMEN ARE PAID MORE FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AND LEVEL OF WORK. The reason there is such a discrepancy in pay is that women work less hours, stay with the same job for less years, take breaks off for things like pregnancy, etc. And that's not even taking into account issues like women being much more likely to sue, or the fact that women tend to have non-technical degrees and don't even apply for the dangerous and/or messy and/or stressful jobs with higher pay. If you're female and actually qualified, like my sister who's working on a chemistry PhD or another sister who's a nurse, everyone's clamoring to hire you for good pay. And if there's discrimination, it's in favor of women, not men.

Blacks, I'm sorry to say, have a lot of the same problems. Blacks who have a proper education and work hard get paid at least as much as whites, but overall blacks get paid a lot less because they aren't as educated and aren't as reliable. Except for in sports, where blacks are massively overrepresented (to the point where whites are a minority in some sports like basketball or football...) Want better pay? Get an education growing up.
 
2012-04-06 07:58:03 PM

Wadded Beef: GAT_00: But really, there is no GOP war on women and there's no evidence that they are waging one.

The GOP knows women can vote now, right?


Maybe they're working on that as part of a secret phase 2 plan. Otherwise they are farking themselves at every turn lately. Holy cow. Obama's ads are writing themselves..
 
2012-04-06 07:59:01 PM
Is Walker *trying* to destroy the GOP...?
 
2012-04-06 07:59:53 PM
What a dick!
 
2012-04-06 08:00:30 PM

StanTheMan: CitizenTed: StanTheMan: OMG, this debunked "77 cents" canard is still being quoted? Yes, women make less. Because they work less hours, and take jobs that pay less to spend more time being moms and wives. But if you adjust for those things, they make exactly the same as men. Women are much more likely to be pediatricians, GP's, and dermatologists than surgeons because the hours are better. But they pay less.

I know this is complicated, and I know you're retarded, but you may be able to survive this small leap. Ready?

The 2009 law was passed in order to make it less costly and less difficult for employees who have suffered pay discrimination - all employees, not just women - to seek legal redress with an employer. Pay discrimination occurs when an employer offers lower pay for the same job to different people based on gender, ethnicity, etc, regardless of merit or seniority inre hours worked. What Walker and the Republicans did was rescind this law so it is now significantly more expensive and difficult for someone to seek redress for such pay discrimination.

And you think this is OK because dermatologists don't make as much as heart surgeons? Really?

I must ask you: does being this stupid ever physically hurt? Like, headaches? That kind of thing?

Ted, go back to your drone cubicle and fark yourself. We business owners have to work on holidays to pay for lawyers to deal with meritless lawsuits from whiny little worker bees like yourself.


Quit being evil bastards that need to be sued. That'll go a long way toward dropping your lawsuit counts.
 
2012-04-06 08:07:34 PM
i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...
 
2012-04-06 08:08:52 PM

King Something:
The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.


Kathy Niclaus was "asked" by the County Executive in Waukesha County to step down during the recall. The last straw may have been the recent primary elections, which she farked up six ways from Sunday.
 
2012-04-06 08:08:53 PM
Why can't crazy gunmen assassinate a Republican or a corporate bastard instead of civil rights leaders?
 
2012-04-06 08:11:10 PM

cmb53208: King Something:
The clerk in Waukesha County will personally make sure it fails. Even if it means more pro-Walker votes in her county than anti-Walker votes in the rest of the state combined.

Kathy Niclaus was "asked" by the County Executive in Waukesha County to step down during the recall. The last straw may have been the recent primary elections, which she farked up six ways from Sunday.


Yeah, but after everything that's happened to elections in that state, I think my default position is that the WI Republicans will do *anything* to win: stuff ballot boxes, perjury, beatings, threats, intimidation...even murder doesn't seem beyond their capabilities. I hope to god i'm wrong about that...but to be honest, my impression of the WI GOP is that they will do ANYTHING to win. literally - anything.
 
2012-04-06 08:17:24 PM

Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...


He's a tool remade.

;)
 
2012-04-06 08:18:55 PM

Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)


Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)
 
2012-04-06 08:31:51 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This state used to be something worthy of pride. It's like it all turned to shiat practically overnight.

Quite true...after Walker gets recalled I honestly think we should cut the Milwaukee 'burbs loose so they can form their own Texas North and leave the rest of us the fark alone.

 
2012-04-06 08:32:40 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors of Gov Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true...

He's a tool remade.

;)

Rework the wingnuts, folks.

Do it now or face fierce consequences...

Mark it Cloud.

;)


Why do you keep replying to yourself? Are you stoned out of your gourd?
 
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