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(El Paso Times)   After listening to 20 minutes worth of charges, Juarez drug cartel killer pleads guilty to lots of evil shiat, gets 10 life sentences   (elpasotimes.com) divider line 54
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2012-04-06 01:14:46 PM
....wanted in fifteen counties of this state, the condemned standing before us...sitting before us...Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez has been found guilty by the third district circuit court of the following crimes:
Murder, assaulting a justice of the peace, raping a virgin of the white race, statuatory rape of a minor of the black race...derailing a train in order to rob the passengers, bank robbery, highway robbery, robbing an unknown number of Post Offices, breaking out of the state prison, using marked cards and loaded dice, promoting prostitution, blackmail, intention of selling fugitive slaves, and counterfeiting. Crimes against places of high authority include burning down the courthouse and sheriff's office in Sonora. The accused is also guilty of cattle rustling, horse thievery, supplying Indians with firearms...misrepresenting himself as a Mexican General, unlawfully drawing salarly and living allowances from the Union Army. For all these crimes the accused has made a full and spontaneous confession.
Therefore we condemn him to be hung by the neck until dead....
May the lord have mercy on his soul....
Proceed.
 
2012-04-06 02:38:53 PM
concurrent (served together)

Ummmm... thanks for that?
 
2012-04-06 02:51:45 PM
Well, thank god he never entered the US illegally and committed violent crimes in this country.

We get only the best, most honest, hardest-working illegals in Arizona. Thank god.
 
2012-04-06 02:53:58 PM
10 life sentences

Well, that should take care of El Gato!
 
2012-04-06 02:54:38 PM
Chalk up another victory for the War on Drugs!
 
2012-04-06 02:55:25 PM

downstairs: concurrent (served together)

Ummmm... thanks for that?


You (person addressed) are (present indicative of verb 'to be') welcome (gladly given).
 
2012-04-06 02:55:32 PM
Was EATING SPAGHETTI IN PUBLIC, or REVEALING THE FACTS OF LIFE TO AN INDIAN on the list?
 
2012-04-06 02:56:24 PM
All drugs need to legal and free. In fact everyone should be forced at gunpoint to consume all drugs nonstop.
 
2012-04-06 02:58:19 PM
www.motifake.com

Carla Jean Moss: You don't have to do this.
Anton Chigurh: [smiles] People always say the same thing.
Carla Jean Moss: What do they say?
Anton Chigurh: They say, "You don't have to do this."
Carla Jean Moss: You don't.
Anton Chigurh: Okay.
 
2012-04-06 02:58:35 PM
This is where the death penalty is ok by me. He's clearly guilty, no disputing that, and the crimes are so horrific he deserves it. No fancy injections or chair though. Don't even waste money feeding him, just slowly starve him to death. Or burn him alive. Something cheap and very painful.
 
2012-04-06 02:59:32 PM
Jets crashing in residential areas, drug lords under legal scrutiny.... has Breaking Bad come to life?



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Unable to comment.
 
2012-04-06 03:00:05 PM
Why not just execute him to save $ on his upkeep?
 
2012-04-06 03:01:54 PM
If I were that guy, I'd have pleaded not guilty just to make the U.S. have to go through a long, drawn-out trial for each and every single one of those charges. It would be one final way to be a total dick before going to jail for life.
 
2012-04-06 03:04:21 PM
FTA: The violence has been diminishing since last year, but killings continue.

Now, class, what's wrong with this student's sentence?
 
2012-04-06 03:05:16 PM

TsarTom: ....wanted in fifteen counties of this state, the condemned standing before us...sitting before us...Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez has been found guilty by the third district circuit court of the following crimes:
Murder, assaulting a justice of the peace, raping a virgin of the white race, statuatory rape of a minor of the black race...derailing a train in order to rob the passengers, bank robbery, highway robbery, robbing an unknown number of Post Offices, breaking out of the state prison, using marked cards and loaded dice, promoting prostitution, blackmail, intention of selling fugitive slaves, and counterfeiting. Crimes against places of high authority include burning down the courthouse and sheriff's office in Sonora. The accused is also guilty of cattle rustling, horse thievery, supplying Indians with firearms...misrepresenting himself as a Mexican General, unlawfully drawing salarly and living allowances from the Union Army. For all these crimes the accused has made a full and spontaneous confession.
Therefore we condemn him to be hung by the neck until dead....
May the lord have mercy on condemn his soul....
Proceed.

 
2012-04-06 03:07:16 PM
I don't even have a GED in law so I don't know the point of multiple life sentences for someone not eligible for parole.
 
2012-04-06 03:07:16 PM
Dude should be executed. We give too many rights to Mexican nationals, more than we give US citizens
 
2012-04-06 03:09:54 PM

Arn_Dee: Why not just execute him to save $ on his upkeep?


Because of appeals, it costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them imprisoned for roughly 80 years.
 
BHK
2012-04-06 03:13:29 PM
The jury?
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2012-04-06 03:17:02 PM
How about someone just pays bubba to shank him in the joint?
 
2012-04-06 03:18:16 PM

CruJones: This is where the death penalty is ok by me. He's clearly guilty, no disputing that, and the crimes are so horrific he deserves it. No fancy injections or chair though. Don't even waste money feeding him, just slowly starve him to death. Or burn him alive. Something cheap and very painful.


With the price of gas? The bullet...just one...is cheaper...I'd do it
 
2012-04-06 03:19:13 PM

unicron702: Arn_Dee: Why not just execute him to save $ on his upkeep?

Because of appeals, it costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them imprisoned for roughly 80 years.


I have not been able to determine why the death penalty did not apply in this case, but it would not surprise me that a condition of Mexico's agreement to extradition was that the death penalty would not be enforced.

This demon is why I think the U.S. would be much better off devoting a lot more money to bringing down the Mexican cartels than wasting more bucks in Iraq. Mexico needs to be stabilized and our border citizens need peace.
 
2012-04-06 03:19:16 PM

SoCalSurfer: How about someone just pays bubba to shank him in the joint?


I have a better idea...the sisters
"I wish I could tell you that Andy fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but prison is no fairy-tale world."
 
2012-04-06 03:22:37 PM
The only reason the Mexicans agreed to the extradition is they already had a new leader picked & standing by. Don't think for one minute that our Southern neighbors give a shiat about him, or us. They just wanted to divest themselves of the leagal/political pressure to continue their government sponsored smuggling operations.

Remember the 15 tons of meth base found outside Gualajara? That was a decoy to distract the world away from the really big stash.

\I'm not kidding about any of this.
 
2012-04-06 03:24:46 PM

fappomatic: The only reason the Mexicans agreed to the extradition is they already had a new leader picked & standing by. Don't think for one minute that our Southern neighbors give a shiat about him, or us. They just wanted to divest themselves of the leagal/political pressure to continue their government sponsored smuggling operations.

Remember the 15 tons of meth base found outside Gualajara? That was a decoy to distract the world away from the really big stash.

\I'm not kidding about any of this.


No kidding. The drug trade is so corporate and global that $3 billion of meth can be used as a decoy. It's unbelievable.
 
2012-04-06 03:28:14 PM

Piizzadude: CruJones: This is where the death penalty is ok by me. He's clearly guilty, no disputing that, and the crimes are so horrific he deserves it. No fancy injections or chair though. Don't even waste money feeding him, just slowly starve him to death. Or burn him alive. Something cheap and very painful.

With the price of gas? The bullet...just one...is cheaper...I'd do it


Too quick and painless.
 
2012-04-06 03:32:06 PM
Pffft. I've done worse. On a Tuesday morning.
 
2012-04-06 03:34:17 PM
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Where do I begin, my lords and ladies? I am a VILE man, I confess it! My crimes and sins are beyond counting.

I have lied and cheated, gambled and whored. I'm not particularly good at violence, but I'm good at convincing others to do violence for me.

You want specifics, I suppose. When I was seven, I saw a servant girl bathing in the river. I stole her robe and she was forced to return to the castle naked and in tears. I close my eyes, but I can still see her tits bouncing...

When I was ten, I stuffed my uncle's boots with goat sh*t. When confronted with my crime, I blamed a squire. Poor boy was flogged, and I escaped justice. When I was twelve I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew. I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage. I made the bald men cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my sister ate. At least I hope she did. I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel...
 
2012-04-06 03:34:27 PM

unicron702: Arn_Dee: Why not just execute him to save $ on his upkeep?

Because of appeals, it costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them imprisoned for roughly 80 years.


The system could be fixed if we really wanted it to be. Personally I would reserve the death penalty for cases where the evidence was completely undeniable and put a hard cap on the number of appeals. Easier said than done, I guess.
 
2012-04-06 03:35:49 PM
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2012-04-06 03:37:26 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: This demon is why I think the U.S. would be much better off devoting a lot more money to bringing down the Mexican cartels than wasting more bucks in Iraq. Mexico needs to be stabilized and our border citizens need peace.


All I can say is... THIS.
 
2012-04-06 03:37:32 PM
Ten life sentences? In Illinois he would be out in 7.
 
2012-04-06 03:44:09 PM
lh5.ggpht.com

I stampeded cattle... through the Vatican.
 
2012-04-06 03:49:54 PM

unicron702: Arn_Dee: Why not just execute him to save $ on his upkeep?

Because of appeals, it costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them imprisoned for roughly 80 years.


Yeesh. Drop him off in a rival cartel's territory perhaps?
 
2012-04-06 03:54:07 PM

BHK: The jury?
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Lincoln Sternn, you stand here accused of 12 counts of murder in the first degree, 14 counts of armed theft of Federation property, 22 counts of piracy in high space, 18 counts of fraud, 37 counts of rape... and one moving violation. How do you plead?
 
2012-04-06 04:07:08 PM
BFD. Now he's going to sit in a prison and run the huge inmate gang population from there. They should just kill him and be done with it.
 
2012-04-06 04:09:59 PM
I'll be careful.
 
2012-04-06 04:20:33 PM
Pleaded? What ever happened to the very nice pled? Pleaded sounds retarded.

/Once, in my car, I speeded.
 
2012-04-06 04:22:23 PM
Appears he could have received the same sentence in Ohio for having a concealed compartment in his Volkswagen bus and anything besides a land line to it.
 
2012-04-06 04:23:36 PM

Explodo: BFD. Now he's going to sit in a prison and run the huge inmate gang population from there. They should just kill him and be done with it.


Probably not. I would guess that they will imprison him at ADX Florence CO, the federal supermax prison. The inmates there are on indefinite solitary confinement, 23 hrs a day spent in a cell. No communal dining or activities. No interaction with other inmates. No view of the mountains--just a window that lets them see the roof and the sky (so they don't know where they are in the facility). Exercise is permitted for one hour in an empty pool-like structure that does not allow them a view of anything but concrete walls and the sky immediately overhead). And if you want to spend an hour in the concrete pit, you must submit to a strip search every time. It's been described as a clean version of Hell.
 
2012-04-06 04:31:00 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: Explodo: BFD. Now he's going to sit in a prison and run the huge inmate gang population from there. They should just kill him and be done with it.

Probably not. I would guess that they will imprison him at ADX Florence CO, the federal supermax prison. The inmates there are on indefinite solitary confinement, 23 hrs a day spent in a cell. No communal dining or activities. No interaction with other inmates. No view of the mountains--just a window that lets them see the roof and the sky (so they don't know where they are in the facility). Exercise is permitted for one hour in an empty pool-like structure that does not allow them a view of anything but concrete walls and the sky immediately overhead). And if you want to spend an hour in the concrete pit, you must submit to a strip search every time. It's been described as a clean version of Hell.


I believe what you are trying to say is that the four walls are your twenty four hour day non-stop companion.
 
2012-04-06 04:33:36 PM
BHK: The jury?
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Thank you for not disappointing me!!
 
2012-04-06 04:48:08 PM
I think it's likely he is just getting a change of address. Another day? SOS.
 
2012-04-06 05:09:27 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: This demon is why I think the U.S. would be much better off devoting a lot more money to bringing down the Mexican cartels than wasting more bucks in Iraq.


I agree. Ending the War on Drugs is an absolute necessity in bringing down the cartels and reducing crime in the U.S. and Mexico.
 
2012-04-06 05:11:05 PM

downstairs: concurrent (served together)

Ummmm... thanks for that?


Right.

themeaningoflifeisnot: Explodo: BFD. Now he's going to sit in a prison and run the huge inmate gang population from there. They should just kill him and be done with it.

Probably not. I would guess that they will imprison him at ADX Florence CO, the federal supermax prison. The inmates there are on indefinite solitary confinement, 23 hrs a day spent in a cell. No communal dining or activities. No interaction with other inmates. No view of the mountains--just a window that lets them see the roof and the sky (so they don't know where they are in the facility). Exercise is permitted for one hour in an empty pool-like structure that does not allow them a view of anything but concrete walls and the sky immediately overhead). And if you want to spend an hour in the concrete pit, you must submit to a strip search every time. It's been described as a clean version of Hell.


....and I'm off to Google this concrete hell. Sounds like a pleasant stay.

themeaningoflifeisnot: unicron702: Arn_Dee: Why not just execute him to save $ on his upkeep?

Because of appeals, it costs more to execute someone then it does to keep them imprisoned for roughly 80 years.

I have not been able to determine why the death penalty did not apply in this case, but it would not surprise me that a condition of Mexico's agreement to extradition was that the death penalty would not be enforced.

This demon is why I think the U.S. would be much better off devoting a lot more money to bringing down the Mexican cartels than wasting more bucks in Iraq. Mexico needs to be stabilized and our border citizens need peace.


Well said.
 
2012-04-06 05:31:26 PM

Oznog: [lh5.ggpht.com image 512x348]

I stampeded cattle... through the Vatican.


Too Jewish.
 
2012-04-06 05:47:36 PM

SchlingFocker: themeaningoflifeisnot: This demon is why I think the U.S. would be much better off devoting a lot more money to bringing down the Mexican cartels than wasting more bucks in Iraq.

I agree. Ending the War on Drugs is an absolute necessity in bringing down the cartels and reducing crime in the U.S. and Mexico.


Doubt that would do anything to curb the cartels income, unless you mean every drug, from meth to cocaine,but something tells me you're just talking about weed.
 
2012-04-06 06:03:40 PM

dandude23: Doubt that would do anything to curb the cartels income, unless you mean every drug, from meth to cocaine,but something tells me you're just talking about weed.


Every drug.
 
2012-04-06 06:06:51 PM

555-FILK: ....and I'm off to Google this concrete hell. Sounds like a pleasant stay...


I googled, and with the exception of a lack of a comfortable chair, sounds like a pretty decent place for a monastic life. Quiet and peaceful, not overly comfortable, but with no responsibilities. Given me a good library and a nice chair...

That said, the list of inmates in no way strikes me as a list of people who would enjoy the peaceful existence forced upon them. All pretty horrible people. I wouldn't want the death penalty for any of them; life in prison isolated from everything sounds like the perfect punishment for these sorts. Funny how one man's paradise can be another man's hell. Sort of like that TZ episode.
 
MrT
2012-04-06 06:23:32 PM
So I'm guessing that he was extradited from Mexico because no Mexican judge wanted to be the next to have his dismembered body hanging from a bridge and his guilty plea is to avoid a trial in which people would be implicated who would make it very clear to him in the last few minutes of his life quite how big a mistake contesting the case was.

Those Mexican gangs are seriously evil.
 
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