Tommy Moo: FedExPope: Great, more useless measures that some dickbag politician can use to show he's tough on crime. Never mind that it is such a wide net that people who don't deserve it are being punished in all aspects of their lives.

You mean rapists? As in all of the people who are actually on the sex offender registry, and not the imaginary one that exists in your head?

Well, out of the ~30 people on the registry within my zip code, only ~3-4 of them were actually charged with a crime considered 'rape' and involve force or coercion. That's just my zip code, though.
Obviously you've done a very detailed study on the subject and know that all people in the sex offender registries in every state are all rapists, though. I'm so glad we have you to compile all that data and verify it.

Oh, wow,

that's effective

for dissuading offenders from reoffending in RL how?

Chemically-Castrate now.

;)

Aarontology: "We must ensure that on-line video-game systems do not become a digital playground for predators," said Schneiderman, noting that some manufacturers have yet to comply.


How come these people never think that maybe, just maybe, if these offenders are so dangerous and are going to strike again, that they shouldn't be let out of prison in the first place?

The pot smokers are taking up all the room in the prisons. Apparently, they're way more dangerous.

foo monkey: Codenamechaz: Somewhere in new york, some guy who got charged for pissing in a bush while he was drunk is wondering why he can't connect to Xbox live.

Thanks. I thought my router went out.

Pissing in a bush is just a citation. Like a parking ticket. A $400 parking ticket. At 2 AM.

/funny because it's true.

The problem is that in some states, pissing in a bush in any area where you can be viewed by the public will put you on the sex offenders list which in turn will put you on the national register as a sex offender enforced by ALL states, even New York. There is absolutely no parity between states as to who does or does not go on the list. The list, which started out as a wonderful idea to track VIOLENT SEXUAL PREDATORS and PEDOPHILES has been turned into a complete fiasco by allowing states to put whoever the hell they want on it regardless of the severity of the crime.

Latinwolf: EViLTeW: Tommy Moo: FedExPope: Great, more useless measures that some dickbag politician can use to show he's tough on crime. Never mind that it is such a wide net that people who don't deserve it are being punished in all aspects of their lives.

You mean rapists? As in all of the people who are actually on the sex offender registry, and not the imaginary one that exists in your head?

Well, out of the ~30 people on the registry within my zip code, only ~3-4 of them were actually charged with a crime considered 'rape' and involve force or coercion. That's just my zip code, though.
Obviously you've done a very detailed study on the subject and know that all people in the sex offender registries in every state are all rapists, though. I'm so glad we have you to compile all that data and verify it.

And you can prove that claim right?
I can only go by the charges listed in the registry, obviously. Even if you want to assume half of those registered without a charge including force/coercion just pled down from an original charge that did, you're only looking at ~50% of those registered in my zip code actually being a rapist.

I can't help but think that these sort of measures significantly reduce the rehabilitation rate. If someone is constantly being told that they will never be able to live anything like a normal life again, no matter how much time they spend in therapy, or how much medications help control their impulses, they will be limited to the fringe of society until they die, it has to take a toll.

Not everyone on the list is beyond help. Laws like this say otherwise.

Remember everyone; Prison is for rehabilitation, not punishment. Once you do you time and pay your debt, you can return to free society. Right?

harrym: Aarontology: "We must ensure that on-line video-game systems do not become a digital playground for predators," said Schneiderman, noting that some manufacturers have yet to comply.


How come these people never think that maybe, just maybe, if these offenders are so dangerous and are going to strike again, that they shouldn't be let out of prison in the first place?

The pot smokers are taking up all the room in the prisons. Apparently, they're way more dangerous.

Ha!

;)

LemSkroob: Remember everyone; Prison is for rehabilitation, not punishment. Once you do you time and pay your debt, you can return to free society. Right?

No.

;(

LemSkroob: Remember everyone; Prison is for rehabilitation, not punishment. Once you do you time and pay your debt, you can return to free society. Right?

Yes, because drug abusers, murderers, arsonists, and other violent people will NEVER be a problem again after prison so they don't need to be on a list. I mean really, wouldn't you rather know that some 19 year old guy who farked a 16 year old in Texas was living next door to you than you would one of the above "rehabilitated" criminals?

The notion of one's true identity being used to register for anything on the internet is quaint, at best. Look at the player list for any game rated M / PEGI 16 - it's almost guaranteed that "pu$$ymaster69" is a 12-year-old.

So they have finally turned the "don't think of the children" all the way up to 11.

How is this even constitutional. How can the government tell two private entities that they cannot do business.

Latinwolf: I wonder how this will effect WoW's Moon Guard server?

Goldshire will be a wasteland, except for the random human on his/her way to Stormwind.

Warlordtrooper: So they have finally turned the "don't think of the children" all the way up to 11.

How is this even constitutional. How can the government tell two private entities that they cannot do business.

Because we live in a police state?

Aarontology: AlwaysRightBoy: I have a good friend who was a lieutenant in the NJ prison system, he worked at Avenel (the sex crimes prison) for 15 years and he said the same thing.

It really is mind boggling that these people can think it's OK for them to be running around free, but not to play XBOX live because that's too dangerous.

I just don't get it.

*shrug* classic example of something that, once suggested, must be done. Nobody wants to be tagged as pro-pedophile. Doesn't matter haw skullfarkingly stupid it may be, they've got to do it.

squidgod2000: Aarontology: AlwaysRightBoy: I have a good friend who was a lieutenant in the NJ prison system, he worked at Avenel (the sex crimes prison) for 15 years and he said the same thing.

It really is mind boggling that these people can think it's OK for them to be running around free, but not to play XBOX live because that's too dangerous.

I just don't get it.

*shrug* classic example of something that, once suggested, must be done. Nobody wants to be tagged as pro-pedophile. Doesn't matter haw skullfarkingly stupid it may be, they've got to do it.

Sooooo.....

Is this America or 1984?

Frickin' A.

;)

I like community mediation/adjudication/punishment models, meself.

But, I SCHOOL you too much, so...

;)

Fano: IronMensan: I can't help but think that these sort of measures significantly reduce the rehabilitation rate. If someone is constantly being told that they will never be able to live anything like a normal life again, no matter how much time they spend in therapy, or how much medications help control their impulses, they will be limited to the fringe of society until they die, it has to take a toll.

Not everyone on the list is beyond help. Laws like this say otherwise.

Did you ever see the fark article about the encampment of sex offenders living in the woods outside of Atlanta because they have no where else? That sounds like a safe plan.

Florida's got a bunch of those as well. I don't know what the answer is, but that ain't it.

The one in my neighborhood was 18/14 consentual. The funny thing is, she (14) was by far the more sexually experienced of the two. But her daddy couldn't wrap his head around that idea, so the Big Bad Sex Offender has his life ruined so Little Princess could be a victim and therefore still pure.

That said, I would not want an actual predator in my hood. There was one not far from here (58/8 non-relative with force) but he was quickly encouraged to move along. I did not participate in that, but I will be honest in saying I was quite glad, and did nothing to stop it.

Warlordtrooper: So they have finally turned the "don't think of the children" all the way up to 11.

How is this even constitutional. How can the government tell two private entities that they cannot do business.

Moreover, how do they skirt the interstate commerce issues?

Several of you act like just because we turned the sicko's video games off he will run out and molest everything he can find. Can we keep in mind that they may be using these video game sites to find victims? and even if he isn't, I sure don't want them regularly speaking to/playing with any child i know...do you?

Now to play devil's advocate (and having been an a victim myself): there are several ladies out there who certainly entice such horrbile things to happen. Parents are not doing a good job of teaching young ladies what/how they should and should not be wearing, acting or speaking and this in turn is getting them in trouble with joe bloe pedophile AND the average joe who thinks your 15 y/o angel is a 20 y/o slut.

If any of you are interested there is a FANTASTIC book out about the generation of children being raised in the last oh 30 years or so to current. It's called Generation Me by Dr. Jean Twenge. This book is utterly amazing. it's not written like a medical journal or anything. It flows very well and has humor & sarcasm in it. Myself AND my daughter are both Generation Me children (i'm 30 and she's 9). I learned a lot from this book, and i highly reccommend it.

Aarontology: "We must ensure that on-line video-game systems do not become a digital playground for predators," said Schneiderman, noting that some manufacturers have yet to comply.


How come these people never think that maybe, just maybe, if these offenders are so dangerous and are going to strike again, that they shouldn't be let out of prison in the first place?

Maybe we should just gas them.

Tommy Moo - You are so far off base. "100% on list are rapists"? Do you really believe that. I did my thesis on this topic for my masters and iit is exactly that mentality that screws the system up. The list is filled with minmal rapist as most rapist are in prison and thus not on the list until paroled? Statistically less than 5% of sex offenders reoffend unlike thieves, robbers and violent offenders which runs around 35% or higher. The case sighted for the basis of this law the perp was not even on the list. 95% of all offenses occur with someone the victim already knows and not on the list. So, who are we really protecting, no one. All that is being done is creating a false sense of security where parents will think it is safe and not monitor their kids, This will actually have the opposite effect and create more criminal activity.

I have a better solution:
Don't let your kids on the net unsupervised.

Treize26: Warlordtrooper: So they have finally turned the "don't think of the children" all the way up to 11.

How is this even constitutional. How can the government tell two private entities that they cannot do business.

Because we live in a police state?

Eventually all sex offender, terrorist, drug, and copyright infringement laws will be merged into a single anti-authority law, which everyone who's not in the 1% will be guilty of.

/Adjusts tinfoil hat, but not much

You are so far off base. "100% on list are rapists"? Do you really believe that. I did my thesis on this topic for my masters and iit is exactly that mentality that screws the system up. The list is filled with minmal rapist as most rapist are in prison and thus not on the list until paroled? Statistically less than 5% of sex offenders reoffend unlike thieves, robbers and violent offenders which runs around 35% or higher. The case sighted for the basis of this law the perp was not even on the list. 95% of all offenses occur with someone the victim already knows and not on the list. So, who are we really protecting, no one. All that is being done is creating a false sense of security where parents will think it is safe and not monitor their kids, This will actually have the opposite effect and create more criminal activity.

No 150% OF THEM ARE RAPISTS!!!eleventy! And they're ten trillion quadrillion times more likely to reoffend AND preoffend!

Tyrone Slothrop: Treize26: Warlordtrooper: So they have finally turned the "don't think of the children" all the way up to 11.

How is this even constitutional. How can the government tell two private entities that they cannot do business.

Because we live in a police state?

Eventually all sex offender, terrorist, drug, and copyright infringement laws will be merged into a single anti-authority law, which everyone who's not in the 1% will be guilty of.

/Adjusts tinfoil hat, but not much

Ha!

Revolution, then.

P.S. I see through yer references into yer heart, and I wonder...why do yo0u misread me? Heh. ;(

;)

2wolves: Diaphoretic Pudenda: That's not how you do it. Asking for help is a sign of weakness.

Sorry.

Read.

Oops.

;)

I also propose anyone ever convicted of a crime be forbidden from driving, watching a movie, buying paint, visiting the dentist, etc. These are clearly activities that enable more crime. It's not like sub-humans deserve any of it anyway.

skankboy: Tommy Moo: This constant "But what about people who peed on a bush?" strawman reads as a form of preemptive guilt. It makes me think you guys plan on being put on the list one day and are working to eliminate the stigma while you still have some integrity.

Getting a BJ in public would require you to register as a sex offender in some states. The lists are so watered down with stupid crimes it is pathetic.

UGH! Show me a single example, anywhere in the country. Show me one. The records are public. It should be easy for you to find one.

Public BJs might get you a disorderly conduct ticket, maybe even a misdemeanor dissolute conduct. You will not have to register as a sex offender. Almost every person on the registry is a rapist or sexual assaulter, and the tiny minority of others are guilty of heinous perversion such as aggravated exposing of the genitals to children in public.

EViLTeW: Tommy Moo: FedExPope: Great, more useless measures that some dickbag politician can use to show he's tough on crime. Never mind that it is such a wide net that people who don't deserve it are being punished in all aspects of their lives.

You mean rapists? As in all of the people who are actually on the sex offender registry, and not the imaginary one that exists in your head?

Well, out of the ~30 people on the registry within my zip code, only ~3-4 of them were actually charged with a crime considered 'rape' and involve force or coercion. That's just my zip code, though.
Obviously you've done a very detailed study on the subject and know that all people in the sex offender registries in every state are all rapists, though. I'm so glad we have you to compile all that data and verify it.

Tell me your zip code. I will type it in. If I find a single example of a person who is on there for streaking, peeing on a building, or getting a consensual BJ in a park from a legally aged woman, I will publicly apologize to you.

My zip code is 14623. The first ten random people within two miles of me are guilty of:

sexual abuse-1st degree
attempted criminal sex act-2: oral/anal sex-actor 18 yrs or more/victim under 15
rape 3rd degree
sodomy 3: actor 21 or more has deviate intercourse w/person under 17
sodomy-1st degree
sexual abuse-1st degree
course of sexual conduct against child 2nd:two or more acts/child sexual abuse-1st degree
sexual abuse-2nd degree
sexual abuse 1st degree:contact by forcible compulsion

These were the first ten I clicked on, chosen at random. These are the men you are protecting.

Sorry, that was nine. Ten:

attempted course of sexual conduct against child 2nd:two or more acts/child

Tommy Moo: Codenamechaz: Somewhere in new york, some guy who got charged for pissing in a bush while he was drunk is wondering why he can't connect to Xbox live.

doczoidberg: Sex offender is now the lowest social class....
Politicians and the police can abuse them to no end, and nobody will ever question whether it's unnecessary or justified.

This really wouldn't bother me if "sex offender" simply meant rapist or molester, but that's NOT what it means anymore. They've expanded the sex offender registry to cover so many crimes that the term "sex offender" barely tells you anything.

No. You are both simply wrong. This argument keeps popping up in every thread about sex offenders. People are not forced to register as sex offenders for public urination, streaking on college campuses, or anything else that common sense would call a minor violation. This has happened a couple of times around the country, and both times it was overturned on appeal. Look on the sex offender registry around you. Virtually 100% of the people listed are there for rape, with about half of their victims being under the age of 16 and about 10% of them being under the age of 12. These are sick, sick farks who need to be monitored.

This constant "But what about people who peed on a bush?" strawman reads as a form of preemptive guilt. It makes me think you guys plan on being put on the list one day and are working to eliminate the stigma while you still have some integrity.

what about the honors student from georgia who was 18 and he had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. he got 10 years. sex crimes are the new witchcraft.

Tommy Moo: Codenamechaz: Somewhere in new york, some guy who got charged for pissing in a bush while he was drunk is wondering why he can't connect to Xbox live.

doczoidberg: Sex offender is now the lowest social class....
Politicians and the police can abuse them to no end, and nobody will ever question whether it's unnecessary or justified.

This really wouldn't bother me if "sex offender" simply meant rapist or molester, but that's NOT what it means anymore. They've expanded the sex offender registry to cover so many crimes that the term "sex offender" barely tells you anything.

No. You are both simply wrong. This argument keeps popping up in every thread about sex offenders. People are not forced to register as sex offenders for public urination, streaking on college campuses, or anything else that common sense would call a minor violation. This has happened a couple of times around the country, and both times it was overturned on appeal. Look on the sex offender registry around you. Virtually 100% of the people listed are there for rape, with about half of their victims being under the age of 16 and about 10% of them being under the age of 12. These are sick, sick farks who need to be monitored.

This constant "But what about people who peed on a bush?" strawman reads as a form of preemptive guilt. It makes me think you guys plan on being put on the list one day and are working to eliminate the stigma while you still have some integrity.

Actually, I've had people show up on the local sex offender listings for, I forget the exact term, something like "misdemeanor nudity," which I looked up and found out that it does include things like public urination. One of these "offenders" I actually knew personally.

So, you're the one that has his head in the sand, here.

lazyguineapig33: what about the honors student from georgia who was 18 and he had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. he got 10 years. sex crimes are the new witchcraft.

LoneWolf343: Actually, I've had people show up on the local sex offender listings for, I forget the exact term, something like "misdemeanor nudity," which I looked up and found out that it does include things like public urination. One of these "offenders" I actually knew personally.

So, you're the one that has his head in the sand, here.

OH MY GOD WITH THE HEARSAY. If someone does not post an actual link to an actual, reputable news source that says that a person had to register as a sex offender for streaking or having consensual sex with a person their age, and that this hasn't been overturned, I am claiming victory.

I am making this disgustingly easy for you. Technically, even if you could find one or two examples, we'd still say not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but no one can even find one.

Tommy Moo: EViLTeW: Tommy Moo: FedExPope: Great, more useless measures that some dickbag politician can use to show he's tough on crime. Never mind that it is such a wide net that people who don't deserve it are being punished in all aspects of their lives.

You mean rapists? As in all of the people who are actually on the sex offender registry, and not the imaginary one that exists in your head?

Well, out of the ~30 people on the registry within my zip code, only ~3-4 of them were actually charged with a crime considered 'rape' and involve force or coercion. That's just my zip code, though.
Obviously you've done a very detailed study on the subject and know that all people in the sex offender registries in every state are all rapists, though. I'm so glad we have you to compile all that data and verify it.

Tell me your zip code. I will type it in. If I find a single example of a person who is on there for streaking, peeing on a building, or getting a consensual BJ in a park from a legally aged woman, I will publicly apologize to you.

My zip code is 14623. The first ten random people within two miles of me are guilty of:

sexual abuse-1st degree
attempted criminal sex act-2: oral/anal sex-actor 18 yrs or more/victim under 15
rape 3rd degree
sodomy 3: actor 21 or more has deviate intercourse w/person under 17
sodomy-1st degree
sexual abuse-1st degree
course of sexual conduct against child 2nd:two or more acts/child sexual abuse-1st degree
sexual abuse-2nd degree
sexual abuse 1st degree:contact by forcible compulsion

These were the first ten I clicked on, chosen at random. These are the men you are protecting.

I'm protecting men who supposedly paid their debt to society. If they haven't, then hold them, but if they have, it's time to leave them alone. You'd be quite literally beating a dead horse before long.

/Also believes in letting ex-cons vote.
//And letting them have guns.
///"And earthly power doth then show likest God's, When mercy seasons justice."

Tommy Moo: lazyguineapig33: what about the honors student from georgia who was 18 and he had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. he got 10 years. sex crimes are the new witchcraft.

LoneWolf343: Actually, I've had people show up on the local sex offender listings for, I forget the exact term, something like "misdemeanor nudity," which I looked up and found out that it does include things like public urination. One of these "offenders" I actually knew personally.

So, you're the one that has his head in the sand, here.

OH MY GOD WITH THE HEARSAY. If someone does not post an actual link to an actual, reputable news source that says that a person had to register as a sex offender for streaking or having consensual sex with a person their age, and that this hasn't been overturned, I am claiming victory.

I am making this disgustingly easy for you. Technically, even if you could find one or two examples, we'd still say not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but no one can even find one.

Idiot.

This thread makes me sick. Sometimes Fark seems like something more than the seedy armpit of the world that is the rest of the internet. Then every time a thread about farking kids or hiding in bushes hits the main page, suddenly the vast majority of Farkers reveal themselves to be the pathetic, creepy nerds that they are. "Ephebophila and pedophilia are two totally different things." "Adulthood begins at puberty." "The sex offender registry is mostly full of harmless people." How the fark am I the minority going up against SEX OFFENDERS? How is it that I am defending the sex offender registry and criticizing people who want to protect child rapists, and there isn't a single person in this entire thread that is on my side?

Weaver95: i'm really starting to wonder if the rumors about Walker being a Fetal alcohol syndrome baby are true.

P.S. I am not an alt...;)

LoneWolf343: Idiot.

You don't have a citation. I win. Go jerk off to naked children, you sick fark.

Tommy Moo: lazyguineapig33: what about the honors student from georgia who was 18 and he had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. he got 10 years. sex crimes are the new witchcraft.

LoneWolf343: Actually, I've had people show up on the local sex offender listings for, I forget the exact term, something like "misdemeanor nudity," which I looked up and found out that it does include things like public urination. One of these "offenders" I actually knew personally.

So, you're the one that has his head in the sand, here.

OH MY GOD WITH THE HEARSAY. If someone does not post an actual link to an actual, reputable news source that says that a person had to register as a sex offender for streaking or having consensual sex with a person their age, and that this hasn't been overturned, I am claiming victory.

I am making this disgustingly easy for you. Technically, even if you could find one or two examples, we'd still say not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but no one can even find one.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003736459_webteens e x06.html

turns out he was 17, not even an adult and farked a 15 year old. life ruined. for what? so that we can feel good about how tough we are on "crime"?

Tommy Moo: This thread makes me sick. Sometimes Fark seems like something more than the seedy armpit of the world that is the rest of the internet. Then every time a thread about farking kids or hiding in bushes hits the main page, suddenly the vast majority of Farkers reveal themselves to be the pathetic, creepy nerds that they are. "Ephebophila and pedophilia are two totally different things." "Adulthood begins at puberty." "The sex offender registry is mostly full of harmless people." How the fark am I the minority going up against SEX OFFENDERS? How is it that I am defending the sex offender registry and criticizing people who want to protect child rapists, and there isn't a single person in this entire thread that is on my side?

Dood,

I am not against the registry.

I suggest it incites fear over fallow, and I wonder about seeding the ground with fear...

However, wtf do i know?

nothing.

i fly away...

;)

p.s. mind wins. heh.

Indubitably: Tommy Moo: This thread makes me sick. Sometimes Fark seems like something more than the seedy armpit of the world that is the rest of the internet. Then every time a thread about farking kids or hiding in bushes hits the main page, suddenly the vast majority of Farkers reveal themselves to be the pathetic, creepy nerds that they are. "Ephebophila and pedophilia are two totally different things." "Adulthood begins at puberty." "The sex offender registry is mostly full of harmless people." How the fark am I the minority going up against SEX OFFENDERS? How is it that I am defending the sex offender registry and criticizing people who want to protect child rapists, and there isn't a single person in this entire thread that is on my side?

Dood,

I am not against the registry.

I suggest it incites fear over fallow, and I wonder about seeding the ground with fear...

However, wtf do i know?

nothing.

i fly away...

;)

p.s. mind wins. heh.

*smooch*