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(ABC)   Fired executive with bi-polar disorder wins protection under the ADA, says he's really excited to have set the precedent, plans on starting a national organization for fellow suffers,or not, because that's just too hard   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 73
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2012-04-06 12:54:27 PM  
and that's just how it works. Real excitement, burgeoning ideas, bursts of energy... and then couch lock, depression and the feeling that nothing is possible.

/wheeee... it's a roller coaster of fun!
 
2012-04-06 01:01:46 PM  
I hate being bi-polar. It's Great!
 
2012-04-06 01:05:14 PM  
In October of that year, after gaining almost 100 pounds (a side effect from his medication), he stopped taking it.

How about "I got fired because I decided I didn't want to take my medication and manage my illness anymore and subsequently drove into bat country to stop off for a bowl of crazy soup" instead of "I got discriminated against because of a disease."

Stupid.
 
Ehh
2012-04-06 01:05:27 PM  
So those three-hour meetings about the new quality assurance implementation process may now involve someone taking off their clothes, jumping on the table, and talking very excitedly about the four sides of time?
 
2012-04-06 01:09:29 PM  
i've learned pharmaceuticals are not the answer.
 
2012-04-06 01:09:32 PM  
voiceactingradio.files.wordpress.com

/The voices told me to post this.
 
2012-04-06 01:12:09 PM  
The ADA should be abolished.

Their most recent nonsense required all pools at hotels (and some other locations) to install a costly, permanent and large wheelchair lift at all pools...otherwise get sued. It doesn't matter if nobody ever uses it or nobody at your hotel in the history of its existence might have needed one, it has to be there, because some people can't use the diving board, and they are special and need you to spend money on them.
 
2012-04-06 01:13:12 PM  

KrispyKritter: i've learned pharmaceuticals are not the answer.


What's the answer?
 
2012-04-06 01:13:47 PM  
article: One afternoon in April 2004, Sean Reilly, a college student at the University of Portland, in Oregon, stripped off his clothes, hopped into the bushes behind his dorm, and began meditating.

Yes, meditating. That's exacttly what he was doing. Not anything else that starts with "m" and ends with "ating" -- just meditating.
 
2012-04-06 01:14:04 PM  
Ah the Americans With Disabilities Act. Well intentioned, popular, and a terrible piece of legislation.
 
2012-04-06 01:14:07 PM  
Never understood why they call Manic Depression "Bi-polar". It is an insult to the planet, Arctic, Antarctic areas
 
2012-04-06 01:14:26 PM  

StaleCoffee: In October of that year, after gaining almost 100 pounds (a side effect from his medication), he stopped taking it.

How about "I got fired because I decided I didn't want to take my medication and manage my illness anymore and subsequently drove into bat country to stop off for a bowl of crazy soup" instead of "I got discriminated against because of a disease."

Stupid.


Dude, it even says right there in the article that he got fired for requesting to use his time off to get his head in order. If you have time off, you CAN use it, including to go to a doctor. Any employer that fires you for using the time off in your contract is a douche, this one just made the bad decision to fire someone who could leverage the ADA to screw him for it.

But no, your lie is totally equal to the truth.
 
2012-04-06 01:15:24 PM  
+1 subby
 
2012-04-06 01:18:34 PM  
The best thing about a bipolar family member is ....

....nothing.

/Well, there's the endless stream of infantile crap.
//And the manufactured crises
///Yep, it's all about them. Everything. All the time.
 
2012-04-06 01:18:36 PM  
Are we calling Managers of payday loan stores "Executives" now? I guess he's part of the 1%...
 
2012-04-06 01:20:30 PM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-06 01:20:40 PM  
Does bipolar usually involve paranoia like TFA was describing? If not, sounds like he had a nice helping of schizophrenia on the side.
 
2012-04-06 01:22:19 PM  
"He was given medications like Depakote, and Zyprexa, but had another manic episode a year later."

On Zyprexa, gained 20 lbs in 2 weeks. On Strattera, almost went on rampage, had a great friend who kept me indoors. I HATE Eli Lily with a passion.
 
2012-04-06 01:22:20 PM  

gaslight: The best thing about a bipolar family member is ....

....nothing.

/Well, there's the endless stream of infantile crap.
//And the manufactured crises
///Yep, it's all about them. Everything. All the time.


Sorry about your family member, but it's not the bipolar, it's the person. I have a similar situation and he knows what's up and does his best to shield the rest of the family from it when it gets bad. That's actually hard on us, though, since we want to help if we can.
 
2012-04-06 01:22:32 PM  

Huck Chaser: Does bipolar usually involve paranoia like TFA was describing? If not, sounds like he had a nice helping of schizophrenia on the side.


Bingo. He stopped taking his meds and went not the rabbit hole but somehow it's his employer's fault.
 
2012-04-06 01:25:05 PM  
 
2012-04-06 01:25:19 PM  

hyper: "He was given medications like Depakote, and Zyprexa, but had another manic episode a year later."

On Zyprexa, gained 20 lbs in 2 weeks. On Strattera, almost went on rampage, had a great friend who kept me indoors. I HATE Eli Lily with a passion


Depakote? That's still getting prescribed? Valproic acid just made me want to crawl into bed and never get out. Lamotrigine, though...
 
2012-04-06 01:26:39 PM  

Maktaka: StaleCoffee: In October of that year, after gaining almost 100 pounds (a side effect from his medication), he stopped taking it.

How about "I got fired because I decided I didn't want to take my medication and manage my illness anymore and subsequently drove into bat country to stop off for a bowl of crazy soup" instead of "I got discriminated against because of a disease."

Stupid.

Dude, it even says right there in the article that he got fired for requesting to use his time off to get his head in order. If you have time off, you CAN use it, including to go to a doctor. Any employer that fires you for using the time off in your contract is a douche, this one just made the bad decision to fire someone who could leverage the ADA to screw him for it.

But no, your lie is totally equal to the truth.


Where did it say that specifically? What I read was :

The company said they didn't have a problem with it, and Reilly thrived. He won an achievement award and was promoted to store manager. But as time went on he began slipping. In October of that year, after gaining almost 100 pounds (a side effect from his medication), he stopped taking it.

Soon, "I began getting really paranoid, thinking customers were talking about me and that cameras were watching me," he says. He threw out his cell phone because he worried that people were eavesdropping on his calls. Finally, one weekend in late January, 2007, he had a breakdown.

He had never missed a day of work before, but on Monday he called in sick. His boss told him there was no one to cover the store that he had to come in. He reluctantly did so, but requested a two-week leave. His request was denied; in February, he was fired.


So they didn't have a problem with him while he was managing his issues, then he stopped managing and strolled down crazy lane, called out sick when he couldn't and then asked for a 2 week leave and got fired.

While I am sure there is far more to the story, I see nowhere in the article where Reilly was laid off specifically for requesting time to get his shiat together. It's possible you're looking at this part of the article:

In 2003, the EEOC sued Lincoln, Nebraska-based Voss Electric Co. on behalf of a former worker with bipolar disorder. The EEOC charged Voss with violating the ADA by terminating a long-time employee of its Oklahoma City facility who needed in-patient care because of bipolar disorder. Rather than allow the employee the additional time off recommended by his physicians, Voss fired him by taping a termination letter to the front door of his home.

Which refers to a different case from 9 years ago.
 
2012-04-06 01:28:05 PM  
I'm bipolar and really get a...no, actually, nevermind.

Wait....

Gone again. Damn.
 
2012-04-06 01:29:24 PM  
Cash store manager /= executive....

just saying

Unless of course I was an executive when I managed a Der Weinerschnitzel
 
2012-04-06 01:31:06 PM  
i1127.photobucket.com

"This looks like a job for Bi-Polar Bear! But I just can't get out of bed this month..."
 
2012-04-06 01:31:10 PM  
Sounds like getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to him. Got his meds straightened out, went back to school...

But seriously. Take your damned meds. Shouldn't he have been seeing someone once a month for those prescriptions? Shouldn't his doctor have noticed something was up? (then down, then up?)
 
2012-04-06 01:32:08 PM  

Arachnophobe: This looks like a job for Bipolar Bear! (new window)


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-04-06 01:32:13 PM  
My husband suffers from bi-polar disorder. Not fun.
 
2012-04-06 01:34:45 PM  

lohphat: Huck Chaser: Does bipolar usually involve paranoia like TFA was describing? If not, sounds like he had a nice helping of schizophrenia on the side.

Bingo. He stopped taking his meds and went not the rabbit hole but somehow it's his employer's fault.


Rapid Cycle Bipolar can go from zero to insanity faster than you can fap to a fark AW thread. It's scary, dangerous and incredibly difficult for those who have it, and people frequently do drop their personal management of the disorder and launch into seriously problematic behavior. I have sympathy for folks suffering from this but at the same time, it's not the responsibility of others to keep their shiat together, especially an employer.

Yes, they do have to deal with delusions and hallucinations. It's bad mojo and needs serious attention to stay on top of, and it's very sad because it's a lifelong struggle. That does not mean unmanaged manic episodes are somehow the responsibility and culpability of others, though.
 
2012-04-06 01:37:20 PM  

Agarista: Sounds like getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to him. Got his meds straightened out, went back to school...

But seriously. Take your damned meds. Shouldn't he have been seeing someone once a month for those prescriptions? Shouldn't his doctor have noticed something was up? (then down, then up?)


Depends on the doctor. I informed one of a dangerous side effect experienced and the biatch said it was OK and to continue with the meds. After failed quacks finally found a great doctor. This one actually listens and manages meds much better. No everyone has the time/ resources to find a good doctor in their area, if one is even available.
 
2012-04-06 01:38:50 PM  

gaslight: The best thing about a bipolar family member is ....

....nothing.

/Well, there's the endless stream of infantile crap.
//And the manufactured crises
///Yep, it's all about them. Everything. All the time.


Tap the brakes, Sluggo. I am bipolar and my mom is severely bipolar. There is a big difference between us in that "bipolar" is a catch-all for a variety of personality disorders. She is also a narcissist as perhaps your family member might be. She is also hypomanic. I am not. Huge difference. She also has OCD, extremely bad case too. Now, the only diagnosis she is being treated for (and only recently) is BP, but there is much more to it. Mediated, somebody with BP can be as normal as anybody. Granted, extreme cases are less treatable but, again, there are degrees to which somebody is BP based on symptoms.

Just saying...I feel your pain. It's just I am not the cause of similar pain (anymore) and not terrible to be related to....or married to.
 
2012-04-06 01:39:12 PM  

rich_mitch: Ah the Americans With Disabilities Act.{Insert various government act here} Well intentioned, popular, and a terrible piece of legislation.


FTFY.
 
2012-04-06 01:39:52 PM  
"medicated"

Oops.

Also, the guy in this story is a shiathead.
 
2012-04-06 01:40:27 PM  
The bipolar life has its ups and downs.
 
2012-04-06 01:42:10 PM  

KrispyKritter: i've learned pharmaceuticals are not the answer.


For BP? I know a lot of people who have it, and I've never seen anything work but carefully calibrated doses of lithium.

Been close to some very creative people in their manic phases and almost wished I could live at that volume, until I saw the other side
 
2012-04-06 01:42:13 PM  

Silly Jesus: The ADA should be abolished.

Their most recent nonsense required all pools at hotels (and some other locations) to install a costly, permanent and large wheelchair lift at all pools...otherwise get sued. It doesn't matter if nobody ever uses it or nobody at your hotel in the history of its existence might have needed one, it has to be there, because some people can't use the diving board, and they are special and need you to spend money on them.


What the fark is somebody being pushed around in a wheel chair have any business going into a pool in the first place?

Of course, they'll sue when their snowflake sinks to the bottom.
 
2012-04-06 01:42:46 PM  
Crap -- now we have to be nice to the crazies too?
 
2012-04-06 01:45:32 PM  

pennygirl: My husband suffers from bi-polar disorder. Not fun.


I sympathize with you. I grew up with a father who went untreated, and was a rapid cycler. It is like walking on eggshells living with them because you never know which one you're going to get.

/I've got it too, but it's the depressive part.
 
2012-04-06 01:45:46 PM  
We were married for about 3 years before my husband was diagnosed.

He was experiencing a particularly scary "rage" mood and was smart enough to call a psychiatrist.. That's how he found out what was wrong.

The doctor told me to remove any guns from the house. Very scary.

Fortunately my husband is clearly aware of his condition and takes his meds regularly.

He recently started having the severe "rage" moods again and asked about having his meds adjusted. A few weeks later and some tweaking with his medication and he's back to "normal".

Life with bi-polar is best described above as a roller-coaster. No two ways about it.
 
2012-04-06 01:50:07 PM  

Silly Jesus: The ADA should be abolished.

Their most recent nonsense required all pools at hotels (and some other locations) to install a costly, permanent and large wheelchair lift at all pools...otherwise get sued. It doesn't matter if nobody ever uses it or nobody at your hotel in the history of its existence might have needed one, it has to be there, because some people can't use the diving board, and they are special and need you to spend money on them.


If you're in a wheelchair, you can use the diving board just fine. It's getting out of the pool that's tricky.
 
2012-04-06 01:57:35 PM  

Magorn: KrispyKritter: i've learned pharmaceuticals are not the answer.

For BP? I know a lot of people who have it, and I've never seen anything work but carefully calibrated doses of lithium.

Been close to some very creative people in their manic phases and almost wished I could live at that volume, until I saw the other side


Yeah. Hard to live even close to normally without close attention to meds.
 
2012-04-06 02:02:54 PM  
The "store manager" of a payday loan place is *hardly* an "executive".
 
2012-04-06 02:05:32 PM  
When my ex started going crazy her brother told me that he thought she might be bipolar and that her mother had been diagnosed as a borderline long ago. And the rest of her family circled the wagons and denied any of it. 7 years later and she is so completely far gone just because some fatties didn't want to be stigmatized.

She's not just bipolar, she's the poster girl for Cluster B.
 
2012-04-06 02:08:16 PM  
I just realized that I went to school with this dude,I somehow missed the naked meditating though.
 
2012-04-06 02:09:08 PM  

timujin: hyper: "He was given medications like Depakote, and Zyprexa, but had another manic episode a year later."

On Zyprexa, gained 20 lbs in 2 weeks. On Strattera, almost went on rampage, had a great friend who kept me indoors. I HATE Eli Lily with a passion

Depakote? That's still getting prescribed? Valproic acid just made me want to crawl into bed and never get out. Lamotrigine, though...


Okay, now you are just making up words.
 
2012-04-06 02:12:37 PM  
Thanks for all the support. I love my husband and will go to the ends of the earth for him.

His mother has severe mental issues (undiagnosed, unfortunately). No kids for us HAHA ! Not extending this gene pool any further !!

Thank goodness he is able to have a sense of humor about it at most times.

Up until recently he worked with a guy who actually enjoyed pushing his buttons in order to "sett him to off". He knew my husband was bi-polar and thought his episodes were amusing.

Hubby told his bosses on several occasions how dangerous this was and that it needed to stop. They did absolutely nothing about it.

It came to a head the other day when this guy was aggravating him once again. As a result, he had to leave the property where he works in order to avoid causing this guy serious bodily injury. They fired my husband for it.

This jerk either didn't know, or more likely didn't care, how dangerous his actions were.

I want nothing more than to let this little prick see what exactly would happen if my husband went off his meds and was allowed to spend a little quality time with him.
 
2012-04-06 02:17:22 PM  

gaslight: The best thing about a bipolar family member is ....

....nothing.

/Well, there's the endless stream of infantile crap.
//And the manufactured crises
///Yep, it's all about them. Everything. All the time.


I'm sorry your experiences with bi-polar are so difficult.

There are different degrees of bi-polar. Some are very, very, VERY difficult for all those involved. I feel for you.
 
2012-04-06 02:20:00 PM  
The question is if he stayed on his medication would he have needed to ask his boss for the time off anyway? Probably not. I can't sit here and say that he is completely innocent and his boss is 100% the bad guy. I do have to admit though considering his employee never asked for any time off in the past, It is pretty stupid that he fired him. I would have just let him take the time he needs to try to fight off the crazy.

I doubt though that his bi-polar disorder made him get naked and mediate. When it rains I strip naked and dance in the rain all the time. I'm not bi-polar.
 
2012-04-06 02:23:06 PM  
Ex-wife

Yikes
 
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