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(Wired)   Hot anthropology professor Kat Denning looks at aliens from perspective of scientists, engineers, Trekkers, other nerds. Yes, Stephen Hawking's "Columbus vs. Native Americans" analogy is mentioned, but inexplicably shot down   (wired.com) divider line 113
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2012-04-06 06:04:57 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Wellon Dowd: The both look like they could crack open walnuts with their chin.

I don't understand the distaste for a woman with a strong chin. If anything, your instincts for selecting sex partners is probably on the fritz if you don't find a woman with those characteristics attractive. A thin little woman with delicate features probably isn't going to give you strong, handsome sons that will rule the world, but will instead probably give you scrawny little skinny jeans wearing hipsters.


You fark the chicks who look like dudes, I'll stick with the feminine-looking ones.
 
2012-04-06 06:31:08 PM  
I thought I would just come in here to say that the name of my band is Kat Dennings Boobs.

Yes, we like boobs.
 
2012-04-06 06:38:57 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Mad_Radhu: Wellon Dowd: The both look like they could crack open walnuts with their chin.

I don't understand the distaste for a woman with a strong chin. If anything, your instincts for selecting sex partners is probably on the fritz if you don't find a woman with those characteristics attractive. A thin little woman with delicate features probably isn't going to give you strong, handsome sons that will rule the world, but will instead probably give you scrawny little skinny jeans wearing hipsters.

You fark the chicks who look like dudes, I'll stick with the feminine-looking ones.


A) I'm not sure exactly how Kat Dennings looks like a dude. She's got some nice tracts of land.

B) That's okay, my offspring will crush the little girly men you call sons and will listen to the lamentation of their women.

Seriously, though, I find it a little funny that modern men feel threatened by women that have historically been considered a good choice for marriage because of the good genetics that they bring to the table.
 
2012-04-06 06:41:54 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Wellon Dowd: Mad_Radhu: Wellon Dowd: The both look like they could crack open walnuts with their chin.

I don't understand the distaste for a woman with a strong chin. If anything, your instincts for selecting sex partners is probably on the fritz if you don't find a woman with those characteristics attractive. A thin little woman with delicate features probably isn't going to give you strong, handsome sons that will rule the world, but will instead probably give you scrawny little skinny jeans wearing hipsters.

You fark the chicks who look like dudes, I'll stick with the feminine-looking ones.

A) I'm not sure exactly how Kat Dennings looks like a dude. She's got some nice tracts of land.

B) That's okay, my offspring will crush the little girly men you call sons and will listen to the lamentation of their women.

Seriously, though, I find it a little funny that modern men feel threatened by women that have historically been considered a good choice for marriage because of the good genetics that they bring to the table.


Just a piece of advice, sparky.

People saying "she has a manjaw" were talking about Kat Denning, the Professor, not Kat Dennings, the actres with the huge mammaries.
 
2012-04-06 07:28:40 PM  

poot_rootbeer: How isn't this a Kat Dennings photo thread yet?

/TV Guide lingerie shot barely looks like her


...to me, she is the classic definition of a butterface.

/That said, I'd be willing to tap her with a bag over her head.
 
2012-04-06 08:44:32 PM  

IlGreven: poot_rootbeer: How isn't this a Kat Dennings photo thread yet?

/TV Guide lingerie shot barely looks like her

...to me, she is the classic definition of a butterface.

/That said, I'd be willing to tap her with a bag over her head.


She's not amazing looking, but those breasts make up for an awful lot.
 
2012-04-07 12:09:58 AM  

natazha: stevetherobot: It went poorly for Native Americans because of the diseases the Europeans brought with them, not because the Europeans were a superior civilization.

Pizarro killed over 7000 Incas in a single battle. He had 168 people and superior technology.


True. Of course, resources and land itself was valuable and the cause of such warring.

Resources for a space traveling race are easier to get than going through us (not that we'd resist much, but gravity alone vs comet farming...), and I find it hard to believe knowledge of another species wouldn't be the most valuable thing to a race who valued knowledge enough to achieve space travel.
 
2012-04-07 12:17:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Honest Bender: You know, Ender's Game made a point about Aliens that always stuck with me:

How can there be peace between two species if they can't communicate?


How can a sentient species develop spaceflight, and NOT be able to communicate with another technological species? Math is math, no matter where you happen to live in the universe, so it is pretty easy to lay the groundwork for a language primer by doing things like:

1 + 1 = 2 True
1 + 1 = 3 False

You can also communicate names for things like water by showing the atomic or molecular structure of the substance, and get across basic ideas using movies. Even allowing for aliens having some very different mental process and outlooks on the world, I don't think you would have much of an issue communicating with an alien species if both sides of the first contact scenario put any effort at all into communicating with their counterparts. If one side is being assholes or idiots and just flat out refuse to help the other side understand, I could see there being a problem, but I think there's just too much of a common shared reality for basic communication to be impossible.


This. We figured out language barriers without requiring our best scientists.

Hell, if two species wanted to they could set up a small encampment on one another's worlds and have some bilingual kids.
 
2012-04-07 03:35:14 AM  
Phat Dennings, Cardboard Cow...

she's box office gold thats for sure. real Meryl Streep quality...


zzzzzz
 
2012-04-07 06:57:43 AM  

Smackledorfer: This. We figured out language barriers without requiring our best scientists.

Hell, if two species wanted to they could set up a small encampment on one another's worlds and have some bilingual kids.


You're both assuming the aliens will be able to see and hear. Or that their communications will be visual and audible. What if they're blind insectoids that communicate with smell?
 
2012-04-07 11:29:30 AM  

Honest Bender: Smackledorfer: This. We figured out language barriers without requiring our best scientists.

Hell, if two species wanted to they could set up a small encampment on one another's worlds and have some bilingual kids.

You're both assuming the aliens will be able to see and hear. Or that their communications will be visual and audible. What if they're blind insectoids that communicate with smell?


Blind and deaf insects would STILL have to be intelligent and have sensory abilities beyond smell to travel through space effectively. Well, I suppose we can imagine something that evolves space traveling capability without technological advancements, so very well: if a race of insects gets to space without gaining intelligence and has no sight nor hearing, it'll be on like donkey kong.
 
2012-04-07 02:06:55 PM  

Honest Bender: Smackledorfer: This. We figured out language barriers without requiring our best scientists.

Hell, if two species wanted to they could set up a small encampment on one another's worlds and have some bilingual kids.

You're both assuming the aliens will be able to see and hear. Or that their communications will be visual and audible. What if they're blind insectoids that communicate with smell?


If they don't have eyes and ears, then scent communications is probably the first thing we'd look for. With a little time, we'd probably be able to figure out the basic scent cues. Scent communications has a lot of problems, though. How big of a vocabulary can you create with smells? How do you address a large crowd? How do you send smells over long distances? Why would such a species evolve like that anyway? Even in complete darkness, sounds and vibrations would be a much better means of communication, especially if you can evolve an echolocation system.
 
2012-04-07 02:50:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: How big of a vocabulary can you create with smells?


Infinite, just like sounds. Even with only a dozen different smells (and lets face it, a species evolved around scents would have one hell of a nose) to be discerned, you could still string them together into larger and larger groups.

Mad_Radhu: How do you send smells over long distances? Why would such a species evolve like that anyway? Even in complete darkness, sounds and vibrations would be a much better means of communication, especially if you can evolve an echolocation system.


Agreed. I'm surprised Bender didn't go all out and say "what about a species that communicates telepathically and looks exactly like oak trees. We'd think their ships were just abandoned and start treating the trees badly, and then they'd nuke us all" or "what if our first contact was that evil race from Babylon 5, then we're farked!"

Sure, there's a million what ifs, but ya gotta look at the odds. A species with interstellar travel is definitely most likely to be intelligent and technologically advanced, as opposed to evolving space travel like the Zerg. Said species is going to be capable of harvesting resources from all manner of planets and create energy sources in ways we can't even conceive of, long before they manage to get to our little corner of the world. Technology pretty much requires curiosity and a valuing of knowledge. Successful space travel means the race has been capable of putting self-destruction aside. Look how far we are from interstellar travel and how far along we are at blowing ourselves up. There will come a point where we have a ridiculous capability to destroy other cultures long before we gain the ability to travel to an alien race, and so would they. Its unlikely that wanton destruction take precedence over learning for such a race.

Of course, I say likely. If the Zerg evolve in another galaxy and hybridize with the Klingons for their stealth technology, then infest some Technomancers and develop the force, all without ever gaining intelligence or the ability to work together beyond being driven by a single hive mind, then ya, we're boned. I can live with those odds. Hopefully they'll ignore us due to our lack of vespene gas though.
 
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