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2003-10-30 12:20:06 PM
I'm reminded of the joke about the religious man in a flood zone. I'll keep it short.

Big flood coming. Man refuses to evacuate, saying God will keep him safe. His neigbors pull up in their station wagon. The have room for one more. Man says, "God will keep me safe." They try to talk him in, but he won't budge. They leave. Flood waters rise. Power boat rides up, sees the man in his second story window, tells him to get in. Guy won't budge. "God will keep me safe." Boat driver shakes his head and drives off. Flood waters rise. Man is on the roof now, cause hte house is under water. Rescue helecopter flies by. Tries to pick him up. "God will keep me safe." Finally they give up. Flood waters rise. House is sunk. Man drowns, goes to Heaven and meets God. He asks why God didn't save him. God says, "I sent a car, a boat and a helecopter. What more do you want?"
 
2003-10-30 12:20:32 PM
If these people are true believers, they shouldn't be relying on firefighters at all. Faith alone should be enough.

Now God's gonna kill them out of spite.
 
2003-10-30 12:20:33 PM
I love the smell of burned fundamentalists in the morning. Smells like.. victory. Someday this fire's gonna end...
 
2003-10-30 12:21:15 PM
Tragdor has been going strong here for almost 5 days now. Wish he'ld take a break.
 
2003-10-30 12:22:57 PM
 
2003-10-30 12:23:04 PM
This is like the idiot amateurs who try to climb Denali and have to call for help when they get up to 15,000 ft. Then some poor park ranger has to risk his ass to save them.

Not fair. Police, firemen & other public safety workers are way underpaid...not for risking their lives, but for dealing with this level of stupidity.
 
2003-10-30 12:23:25 PM
waterbottle - I know exactly what you are talking about. My family has a small cabin near Big Bear, basically a bed and shower I use when I go on ski trips. Every time I go up there I get the same feeling; these are just people who want to get away from the city, but not so far they can't drive to Walmart. I've seen real mountain folk out in Tennessee, people who hunt squirrel and distill moonshine to get by.
 
2003-10-30 12:23:33 PM
Shoot, waitaminute... beat me to it. Just when I thought I finally had the perfect opportunity to use that joke!

At any rate, it's very, very apt here...
 
2003-10-30 12:24:45 PM
A joke sort of related to this.

A terrible flood hit (city of your choice). A long-time resident of the town who was also a pastor at the church decided to tough it out, knowing Jesus Christ would save him.

The waters rose. He had to climb on the roof to avoid drowning. A man passes in a dinghy.

"Pastor! Climb in! We'll get to safety!"

"The Lord will save me, son," said the pastor. "I'll be fine. Save yourself." The man doesn't argue and floats off to safety.

Another dinghy passes and the pastor is offered yet another ride. Again, he refuses. His faith in the Lord will save him.

Finally, a helicopter sees him on the roof as the water rises even higher. He's practically swimming now. The helicopter lowers a roll-up ladder.

"Pastor! Grab the ladder! You've got to get out of here!" a voice yells from the helicopter.

"The Lord will save me! Save yourselves!" He again refuses the help. The waters rise higher and engulf the pastor. He drowns.

The pastor goes to Heaven. It's beautiful. But the pastor is a bit confused as to why the Lord didn't save him. He arranges to have a meeting with the Big Guy.

At the meeting, the pastor asks the question.

"My Lord, I was spreading your word. I lived my life accordingly. I did nothing wrong. Why did you not save me?"

A booming voices comes from behind a shining cloud.

"Look, I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What more did you want?"

*rimshot*
 
2003-10-30 12:24:59 PM
Yeah, the loon from Mount St. Helens that probably died a horrible death, asphyxiating under a pile of smoldering ash.

I think that his reasoning was that he was old and didn't want to leave his home. He didn't say that God was going to spare him. At least he accepted his fate and didn't put other lives at risk, unlike these asshats.
 
2003-10-30 12:25:11 PM
Nothing fails like prayer...
 
2003-10-30 12:25:14 PM
Well, after this fire, our species' IQ should go up by some fraction of a point. Let's hear three cheers for Natural Selection!
 
2003-10-30 12:25:23 PM
waitaminute...

You beat me to it!!! YARG!!!
 
2003-10-30 12:25:49 PM
Waitaminute--
I scrolled all the way down amd eagerly got ready to type the SAME story!! You beat me to it.

Feh--these are the ones giving Christianity a bad name. Yes, God loves everyone, even the stupid ones, but MAN!! Being a Christian does NOT mean that your life is all happy and roses and nothing bad will ever happen. Your faith gets you throught the tough times. And you will have them. But these people need a good bonk on the head and another look at scripture.
 
2003-10-30 12:27:59 PM
And once again, I demonstrate what happens when you don't read the thread first.
 
2003-10-30 12:29:36 PM
I forgot the :P.
 
2003-10-30 12:30:27 PM
Huh waitaminute? You were the 1st to write the "God will save me!" story, what do you mean? Or did I miss a previous same post? Yes, safeinsane had more detail, but you wre 1st. And we all know how important that is!!!
 
2003-10-30 12:32:48 PM
angryelephant
Some of them don't even attempt to mask their misbegotten bigotry. Last night I saw a license frame on the SUV of a displaced mountain family (it said "The Morris's" on their spare tire cover) that read "Save a Squirrel... Squish a Flatlander".

I couldn't help but wonder if they maintained that elitist facade during their stay in the evacuation center.
 
2003-10-30 12:34:34 PM
to paraphrase a miller statement, i hope that the flames completely surround the town, the firefighters all get out of dodge. all the "faith" people end up huddling together in teh town hall, flames closing in. several helicopters swing in, and one drops a rope ladder. a firefighter climbs down, and, dangling feet agove the hall, uses a megaphone to talk to everyone, and say, hey, everyone, chuck darwin says HI!. and then swoop away.
 
2003-10-30 12:35:03 PM
Actually, waitaminute... I did read the thread. Yours wasn't there at the time I was typing in mine. Then work gets in the way and you know how it can interfere with your daily Farking. :p

Either way, great minds think alike. And I'm a slow typist, which isn't really a good trait for a writer.
 
2003-10-30 12:35:21 PM
bellefromhell

I was actually referring to this:

2003-10-30 09:03:13 AM control

"Why didn't you save me, God?"

"Christ! I sent you a freakin helicopter! What MORE can I do?!!"


I guess I wasn't the only one to miss it, though. :D
 
2003-10-30 12:38:32 PM
Yummmmmm roasted sheep.
 
2003-10-30 12:39:01 PM
safeinsane

Actually, waitaminute... I did read the thread. Yours wasn't there at the time I was typing in mine. Then work gets in the way and you know how it can interfere with your daily Farking. :p

My problem exactly! If only someone would pay me to be on Fark...

Well, technically, someone is, I guess.
 
2003-10-30 12:39:31 PM
Ugh, they deserve to burn to clean out the gene pool. But it is extraordinarily selfish and inexcusable that they would risk the fire fighters lives by staying where they might have to be rescued at the last moment. Total asshiats.
 
2003-10-30 12:39:53 PM
I guess I have selective reading symdrome...
 
2003-10-30 12:40:46 PM
Ok we all missed it, but we all thought the same thing. Great minds fark alike!!!
Now get to work!!!
 
2003-10-30 12:42:29 PM
Ugh, they deserve to burn to clean out the gene pool. But it is extraordinarily selfish and inexcusable that they would risk the fire fighters lives by staying where they might have to be rescued at the last moment. Total asshiats.
 
2003-10-30 12:45:56 PM
Hows this for irony? Im on my way to take a physical anthropolgy/ biological evolution test. I seem to recall reading about how certain learned behaviors are occasionally detrimental. Said memebers with that behavioral pattern are removed from the gene pool.
 
2003-10-30 12:46:33 PM
waitaminute...

What did that guy say in Office Space? That he only does like 15 minutes of work per day and the rest of the day he just goofs off or something?

Yeah. The life of a writer is similar to that as this, my umpteenth post in this tread, would indicate...
 
2003-10-30 12:47:02 PM
2003-10-30 12:45:56 PM EvilBobRoss


Hows this for irony? Im on my way to take a physical anthropolgy/ biological evolution test. I seem to recall reading about how certain learned behaviors are occasionally detrimental. Said memebers with that behavioral pattern are removed from the gene pool.


You'll fit right in here at Fark.
 
2003-10-30 12:48:58 PM
Faith? Idiots. Let them burn.

 
2003-10-30 12:49:10 PM
Badger: That brings back some old memories. Definitely places those of us who recognized old Harry right away.
 
2003-10-30 12:49:20 PM
Alrighty then- this is affecting my town, and I know three
of those who remained. Having been going up there for thirty years I know a lot about the area.

Big Bear is different from arrowhead in that while there
is a bark beetle problem, most areas only have 10-20 percent tree mortality as opposed to upwards of 90 percent
in the arrowhead area. The trees are also a lot more widely spaced as opposed to the dense standing forest of
dead trees down in arrowhead.

the guys who stayed behind that I know are smart, resourceful, and completely confident in their abilities
to survive this and protect their assets- the firefighters
can't be everywhere all the time...

one has a house up against the forest- if the fire comes
down the mountain he's good and ready to get down to the
lake, a whole three blocks away. he's already sent all
his valuables down the hill for safekeeping.

one has a house in town about a block from the lake,
has three or four good healthy trees on his property
and he's right on the boulevard- really no worry there...

The other has a house out on a point that's surrounded on
three sides by half a mile of water- mere feet to the
lake. I've made my aluminum boat available to them- if
push comes to shove and all goes to hell, take the
boats out on the lake and ride it out.

We're all fiercely proud to be a part of the big bear community, it's a place and a way of life worth fighting
for, and these guys have a plan for battle and survival
in place and ready to go. Personally I'd just about rob
a gas station to be up there for the fight- those who
stayed did so not out of foolishness but out of confidence
and well-thought out plans.

And...it's raining now and way colder than 24 hours ago.
 
2003-10-30 12:49:48 PM
2003-10-30 12:06:47 PM wheatweasel

See this is why people like me laugh at religion. If one firefighter dies trying to save these jackholes my only hope is they commit mass suicide. Sometimes you just have to let stupid people die. I hope those firefighters realize that...

**************************

Ona already has, not saving these 'jackholes', but fighting the fires.


SAN JOSE, Calif. -- The out of control fire in San Diego County is the deadliest so far. Flames overtook a fire crew Wednesday, killing one firefighter and injuring three others as they tried to protect the town of Julian.

Novato Fire Chief Jeff Meston announced at a press conference that the deceased firefighter is 38-year-old Steven Rucker, an 11-year veteran of the Novato Fire District, who leaves behind a wife and two children.

Source: firehouse.com
 
2003-10-30 12:51:57 PM
If there is a God, I just have one small request. Please spare the firefighters.
 
2003-10-30 12:54:59 PM
As usual, when the going gets tough, those that get a load of hooey taught to them their whole lives make ill-informed decisions.

Oh, well. No offense to anyone with faith, because I certainly won't believe in the Big Santa in the sky until he talks to me, but this sorts itself out in the long run. Those that teach the more moronic principles of religion and fervently grasp to them will die in plane crashes in the sides of buildings, natural disasters where "God" was to save them, and of the wrath of others when they try to force everyone to assume the same religious stance that denies self-preservation or logic. It is a self-cleaning mechanism. Unfortunately, that mechanism takes innocents. That is where it pisses me off.

Don't get me wrong, I do feel for those people, but I cannot spend my safety to stop them from their ill-fated demise.

Eventually, the people of this planet cannot resist the sheer weight of SANITY. These people are the unfortunate victims.
 
2003-10-30 12:55:17 PM
2003-10-30 12:51:57 PM blubberknife

If there is a God, I just have one small request. Please spare the firefighters.

*************************

When I am called to duty, God,
Where ever flames may rage
Give me the strength to save some life,
Whatever be its age.

Help me embrace a little child
Before it is too late;
Or save an older person from
The horror of that fate.

Enable me to be alert,
And hear the weakest shout,
And quickly and efficiently
To put the fire out.

I want to fill my calling and
To give the best in me;
To guard my every neighbor and
Protect his property

And if, according to your will
I have to give my life;
Please bless with your protecting hand
My children and my wife.

- Author Unknown
 
2003-10-30 12:58:32 PM
Jesus has no fire-fighting ability!
 
2003-10-30 12:59:02 PM
Faith? Idiots. Let them burn.

 
2003-10-30 01:00:17 PM
This is just natures way of weeding out the weak and stupid.
 
2003-10-30 01:04:57 PM
Let them burn. The firefighters don't need to waste their time on these idiots.
 
ESH
2003-10-30 01:08:02 PM
My friend's uncle had faith that God would steer the car for him if he let go of the wheel.

He ran into a tree.
 
2003-10-30 01:12:40 PM
2003-10-30 01:08:02 PM ESH

My friend's uncle had faith that God would steer the car for him if he let go of the wheel.

He ran into a tree.

***************

Well at least he wasn't driving an RV, set the cruise control and went to make a sandwich.

Happened to my uncle, honest, right before he woke up in a tub of ice with his kidneys removed on business trip.
 
2003-10-30 01:15:57 PM
good luck, skiinstructor. I wish your buddies luck, too. Hopefully they can save their houses and make it out alive. As long as they're not just sitting on their arses and thinking God's gonna save 'em, they've probably got a decent chance.

I heard this guy on the radio who owns a camp called ArrowBear out there, who has stayed behind in similar situations, to wet the trees, house, surrounding area etc. This guy sent his family away with just a few things and he's going to try to salvage the property.

scary stuff.
(glad I live in FL; hurricanes are just so much more predictible)
 
2003-10-30 01:17:12 PM
hey skiin:

how exactly are those staying putting up a fight. at best they are thrill seekers who can get a rush charging to the lake when their houses go up. what fighting can they do, spray a garden hose on their house right before it goes up?

its like people who think they are fighting terrorism by putting a flag on their car or house...
 
2003-10-30 01:22:12 PM
I'm confused. Is it mandatory or not? If it is, why can't they push them out? If it isn't, why is that farktard telling them that?

Maybe if you stay anyway, there is less liability or something afterwards? Someone can tell them "tough shiat, we told you to get out"?
 
2003-10-30 01:22:45 PM
Reminds me of Christian Scientists... the innocents there are children who don't get adequate medical care because of their parents' faith.
 
2003-10-30 01:26:30 PM
Skiinstructor: I'm from Big Bear, back east for school now (and taught skiing at Snow Summit while in High School). My parents were evac'd, though I wish I could be there now to try to save our Baldwin Lake home.

I hate Big Bear. I always wished it would burn down. But now that it might be happening I feel guilty. Good luck.
 
2003-10-30 01:27:58 PM
ah, the loss of common sense in the name of god
 
2003-10-30 01:41:16 PM
What a bunch of brain dead idiots. Let em burn!
 
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