gerrymander: Oh, I get it! This is the version of "women withholding sex for birth control" for women who have no chance of getting any.

Have you seen the prostitute mug shot threads? If the body has XX chromosomes it can get the penis.

Next time, crochet a brain.

stpauler: Next time, crochet a brain.

The GOP wouldn't use that either.

Sabyen91: gerrymander: Oh, I get it! This is the version of "women withholding sex for birth control" for women who have no chance of getting any.

You would fark Rosie O'Donnell if given the chance.

Eww

I might pluck out an eyeball and skullfark/lobotomize her.

I'd do almost anything to shut her up.

All lovingly hand-crafted with abortion instruments.

If I give you one, will you stay out of mine?

They won't.

How come I haven't seen this Arizona asshattery here on Fark yet? Unless it was under a too clever headline I skipped over.

stpauler: Next time, crochet a brain.

2wolves: The GOP wouldn't use that either.

oh snap!

KatjaMouse: How come I haven't seen this Arizona asshattery here on Fark yet? Unless it was under a too clever headline I skipped over.

Unreal.

WombatControl: Because this country recognizes the principle that religious groups have the freedom to practice their faith free of government intrusion.

They do not, however, have the right to operate businesses free of government regulation.

WombatControl: smeegle: This piece of legislation sets a dangerous precedent. If businesses are aloud to discriminate with health insurance based on religious beliefs then whats to stop businesses from discriminating against hiring women all together?

Other than numerous state and federal sex discrimination laws?

Why should any business get special treatment based on their religion?

Because this country recognizes the principle that religious groups have the freedom to practice their faith free of government intrusion.

So a business owner has the right to inflict their religious beliefs on me?

Should I ask these questions in my next interview:
1. Are you offering me insurance for healthcare, or health prayer?
1a. Is insurance a form of gambling?
2. Am I allowed to attend (or not) the religious service of my choice on vacation days?
3. Will you be using me as a fence or placeholder name for your loans? (to avoid religious injunctions against usury)
4. How do I know you're applying the "no abortions on my dime" standard equally? Will you be publishing or making available records of every pregnancy and the resulting birth for review? How will you do this while adhering to HIPAA standards?
5. Will I be docked any pay based on my religious heritage (e.g. a "savior murderer fee")? If you believe that my ancestors were responsible for any manner of wrongdoing and that I, a descendant, bear some of that responsibility, how soon after my hire date will I be made aware of any spiritual recompense I'm required to remit?
6. Do I confess my sins (viduy for Jews, or confessions for Catholics) to the CEO, COO, CFO, comptroller, head of HR, or board-approved clergyman?
7. Will I need to register my "spiritual advisor" a la primary care physician?

Basically, how much religious freedom am I left with once I agree to become employed?

WombatControl: Dr Dreidel: So a business owner has the right to inflict their religious beliefs on me?

Again, that's not the issue here. The issue is whether the government can force the employer to pay for something they didn't like.

An employer has the freedom to offer whatever benefits it wants, or none at all. A religious employer can offer contraception if it wishes, or not if it does not.

And again, no one is forced to work for a religiously-affiliated employer. If you don't like their policies, then don't work there.

We already make businesses pay for things - anyone with a physical building or any accommodations MUST have ADA-compliant facilities (or a letter on file detailing why such accommodations would be a hardship), even if your religion states that the handicapped are god's punished children.

I can't sell liquor without a license. Ditto cigarettes. Ditto anything else - I have to be licensed by the state to sell stuff. (Maybe it's different because that's a state law?)

Businesses also have to abide by OSHA standards - fire exits, unblocked walkways, and I think OSHA even has clothing guidelines.

Publicly-traded businesses have to disclose their financial records (compelled speech, one might say) to the SEC, by law. SarbOx, for example.

Businesses are not allowed to discriminate in the hiring process on the basis of race, religion, gender and a few other protected classes. Even broaching the topic of contraception during the interview, if they ask about what's covered by ChristCo's insurance policy, might be grounds enough for a lawsuit, if the applicant didn't get the job. This muddles the issue significantly - can a Muslim, for example, refuse to hire a Jew based on religious beliefs? Can a Christian refuse to hire a Muslim? Can an atheist/agnostic refuse to hire anyone with any religious beliefs? You can make an argument, if the personal is indeed political, that all of these may stem from "religious belief", making that protected class nothing more than 4 empty syllables.

If you want to run a legal business, you have to follow certain rules. There's no right to own and operate a business free of government rules. If that means covering orthotricyclin as a treatment for ovarian cysts (because that's the type of thing at issue here, not a monthly BC-as-BC regimen). What gives a business owner the right to tell a doctor how to treat a patient?

The businessman contributes (along with the employee) to a HI plan. That plan (again, along with the employee) pays reimbursements for medical costs. I don't get to tell Microsoft what they can do with the profits they get from my XBox Live account, and a businessman doesn't get to tell a HI company how to administer their plans. If they don't like it, find a new HI company or pay the fine.

WombatControl: Again, that's not the issue here. The issue is whether the government can force the employer to pay for something they didn't like.

. Stop lying. It makes you look stupid.

WombatControl: Because this country recognizes the principle that religious groups have the freedom to practice their faith free of government intrusion.

A business is NOT a church, moron.
(You're also a moran.)

A university is also not a church.
Hospital? Not a church.
Machine shop? Not a church.
Second-hand store? Not a church.
Motorcycle dealership? Even a Harley-Davidson dealership is not a church,
Insurance company? Not a church.
Community food bank? Not a church.
Political lobby? Not a church.
Etc., &tc., &tc.

/And a church should never be a business.

USP .45: "Keep the government out of my uterus!"

::silent when Obama mandates "free" contraception which goes straight to the uterus, and numerically represents more government-in-uterus than number of abortions that could potentially be restricted::


Send the knittings to Obama, you intellectually dishonest sluts.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issues. Please start again.