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2012-04-05 01:25:12 PM
And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country
 
2012-04-05 01:27:59 PM

King Something: scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country


Yeah, that's a politically defensible idea with absolutely no threat of consequence whatsoever.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-04-05 01:44:11 PM

Rev.K: Yeah, that's a politically defensible idea with absolutely no threat of consequence whatsoever.


Indeed. But I think it might be a nice time to stop giving those duplicitous bastards $3 billion a year in aid. We're basically paying the terrorists...
 
2012-04-05 02:17:09 PM
Can we gtfo of there already? There is no reason for us to be there. None.
 
2012-04-05 02:33:43 PM

wee: Rev.K: Yeah, that's a politically defensible idea with absolutely no threat of consequence whatsoever.

Indeed. But I think it might be a nice time to stop giving those duplicitous bastards $3 billion a year in aid. We're basically paying the terrorists...


as a start, this

next step, kick their ambassador out of the US until the officials who knew about this are found and punished.

bah
like, any of that would ever happen.


what we COULD do is let india do whatever they want ....
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
2012-04-05 02:33:43 PM
I have to defend Pakistan here. That country is no more of a monolith than the U.S. is, and we're sharply divided in many areas. Internally, they have lots of different opinions and different ideas. But most of them are damned good people, just like most Americans.

I truly don't believe any officials in the Pakistani government were officially helping UBL. Possibly a few unofficially, but as you can imagine, they have less control over their rogues there than we do.

Pakistan is a country where money talks. And if a couple of bros pay enough rupees to construction workers, contractors, landlords, city officials, and town elders, they're going to successfully buy privacy in a house in an isolated lot, and minimize anyone snooping into their affairs who might suspect some "cousin" and his wives and kids who came to stay with them for a few months or years.

The bottom line: UBL and those around him were exceptionally disciplined when it came to OPSEC.

/retired US Army combat arms officer
//lived in Pakistan 4 years
///still work in national security
////still have many Pakistani friends who I cherish, and who I'd mourn the rest of my life if the U.S. ever embarked on some misguided scorched earth policy there
 
2012-04-05 02:34:22 PM
Ah, but Bush was too busy kissing Mushareff's ass.
 
2012-04-05 02:35:25 PM

foo monkey: Can we gtfo of there already? There is no reason for us to be there. None.


we're not in Pakistan.


/not counting undercover and black ops
 
2012-04-05 02:35:32 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-05 02:37:41 PM

King Something: And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country


Yep, I'm sure that won't touch off a shiatstorm at all. Certainly wouldn't create an entire new generation of people that would stop at nothing to kill us due to our past actions.

How about we call it job done, get out of that entire region and if we're feeling particularly vindictive, we start throwing more money at India so that they can remain solid counterweight to Pakistan in the region. This business of sticking our noses in everywhere and then getting outraged when the locals don't like it will have to end sooner or later. Either we can't keep this up due to the costs required to constantly start shiat, or someone is going to punch our collective ticket one of these days.
 
2012-04-05 02:39:23 PM

Shabash: I have to defend Pakistan here. That country is no more of a monolith than the U.S. is, and we're sharply divided in many areas. Internally, they have lots of different opinions and different ideas. But most of them are damned good people, just like most Americans.

I truly don't believe any officials in the Pakistani government were officially helping UBL. Possibly a few unofficially, but as you can imagine, they have less control over their rogues there than we do.

Pakistan is a country where money talks. And if a couple of bros pay enough rupees to construction workers, contractors, landlords, city officials, and town elders, they're going to successfully buy privacy in a house in an isolated lot, and minimize anyone snooping into their affairs who might suspect some "cousin" and his wives and kids who came to stay with them for a few months or years.

The bottom line: UBL and those around him were exceptionally disciplined when it came to OPSEC.

/retired US Army combat arms officer
//lived in Pakistan 4 years
///still work in national security
////still have many Pakistani friends who I cherish, and who I'd mourn the rest of my life if the U.S. ever embarked on some misguided scorched earth policy there


why do you hate america
 
2012-04-05 02:40:55 PM
We can definitely increase our position with the Pakistani people, thereby reducing our need to rely on the government and the ISI, by increasing our campaign of drone strikes.

Every time one of our Predators hits a building, Pakistani civilians come out and start spraying some sort of red fluid which I imagine to be similar to champagne being sprayed in winning teams' locker rooms, and then groups of people come out and start celebratory gatherings and processions. I've seen the videos. Hearts and minds, dude.
 
2012-04-05 02:41:23 PM
obvious tag taking a shiat?
 
2012-04-05 02:41:52 PM

Shabash: Pakistan is a country where money talks. And if a couple of bros pay enough rupees to construction workers, contractors, landlords, city officials, and town elders, they're going to successfully buy privacy in a house in an isolated lot, and minimize anyone snooping into their affairs who might suspect some "cousin" and his wives and kids who came to stay with them for a few months or years.


My own personal opinion follows:

And if Benazir Bhutto and the ISI pay enough rupees to to Mohd Omar so he and his band of idiots can take over some highways and lead a band of fundamentalist whackjobs from Pakistani madrassas to take over their poor cousin so the Afghans can continue being subhuman to Isbad, and they just happen to foster a relationship with UBL who happens to use some of their shared resources to murder a few thousand civilians...

How many times does money have to change hands before there's no more blood on it?
 
2012-04-05 02:42:02 PM

namatad: what we COULD do is let india do whatever they want ....
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Um, I don't think they'll be very interested in the idea, either. That would be like taking a 2x4 to a hornets' nest. Remember that these guys have a lot of sympathisers living in India, too. While it may not be "official protection", they will have the Bombay/Karachi mafias helping them out.
 
2012-04-05 02:43:49 PM

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Either we can't keep this up due to the costs required to constantly start shiat, or someone is going to punch our collective ticket one of these days.


First the former, then the latter.

Picking a fight with a nuclear country never ends well. That's why we've had to spend the last decade trying to kill a snake by cutting pieces off of its tail.
 
2012-04-05 02:44:55 PM
IMHO, simple solution. We leave the area, and encourage India to take control of their back yard, instead of restraining them from doing so. I only wish that we could.
 
2012-04-05 02:46:13 PM
Meanwhile, with the help of high-level American officials, Donald Rumsfield hid in U.S. cities for 9 years following the invasion of Iraq.

/shrug
 
2012-04-05 02:46:46 PM

King Something: And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country


That sounds like a good defense policy. The destruction of an entire country would show that we take terrorism seriously. On the downside though, it might come up at a meeting in Geneva.
 
2012-04-05 02:46:55 PM
Remember when Republicans had a shiatstorm when Obama said we'd unilaterally act within Pakistan if we had actionable intelligence? Yea. Bin Ladin would still be alive today if McCain was the president. If you're serious about being strong on terror, you have to vote for Democrats. Anything less is pandering bullshiat.
 
2012-04-05 02:53:47 PM

depmode98: Remember when Republicans had a shiatstorm when Obama said we'd unilaterally act within Pakistan if we had actionable intelligence? Yea. Bin Ladin would still be alive today if McCain was the president. If you're serious about being strong on terror, you have to vote for Democrats. Anything less is pandering bullshiat.


And who do we vote for if we think the WOT is a load of shiat?

I guess I'm just boned.
 
2012-04-05 02:54:00 PM

depmode98: Remember when Republicans had a shiatstorm when Obama said we'd unilaterally act within Pakistan if we had actionable intelligence? Yea. Bin Ladin would still be alive today if McCain was the president. If you're serious about being strong on terror, you have to vote for Democrats. Anything less is pandering bullshiat.


Or they would have said McCain going into Pakistan was the right thing to do and those responsible for hiding him should be killed and Pakistan is no ally of ours. Same ole stuff politicians always pull.
 
2012-04-05 02:54:58 PM

wee: We're basically paying the terrorists...


Yes, but they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers.
 
2012-04-05 02:56:13 PM

Hot Rod Zoidberg: Meanwhile, with the help of high-level American officials, Donald Rumsfield hid in U.S. cities for 9 years following the invasion of Iraq.

/shrug


A cheap kind of comment from a cheap kind of person.
 
2012-04-05 02:57:07 PM

umad: depmode98: Remember when Republicans had a shiatstorm when Obama said we'd unilaterally act within Pakistan if we had actionable intelligence? Yea. Bin Ladin would still be alive today if McCain was the president. If you're serious about being strong on terror, you have to vote for Democrats. Anything less is pandering bullshiat.

And who do we vote for if we think the WOT is a load of shiat?

I guess I'm just boned.


Ron Paul?
 
2012-04-05 02:57:29 PM
Bush Lied, People Died.


/obligatory?
 
2012-04-05 02:59:23 PM
With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemies?

/obligatory?
 
2012-04-05 03:01:07 PM

thunderbird8804: Hot Rod Zoidberg: Meanwhile, with the help of high-level American officials, Donald Rumsfield hid in U.S. cities for 9 years following the invasion of Iraq.

/shrug

A cheap kind of comment from a cheap kind of person.


Well, that was all very constructive.
 
2012-04-05 03:03:08 PM
i find it interesting that Pakistan was originally claiming they were going to deport bin ladens wives after interrogating them. Then shortly after they started getting information from them they suddenly declared they would keep them in prison in pakistan.... hm, i wonder why they don't want them going home where they could talk to anyone they wanted to?
 
2012-04-05 03:03:55 PM

King Something: And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country


Pakistan isn't like Afganistan. They have nukes. Scorched earth might be a little closer to home if the US were to try this.
 
2012-04-05 03:05:08 PM
Shabash
Hey now, this is no time to make sensible well thought out statements like that...

www.jillsusan.com

/hot
 
2012-04-05 03:07:45 PM
Shabash: "I truly don't believe any officials in the Pakistani government were officially helping UBL. Possibly a few unofficially, but as you can imagine, they have less control over their rogues there than we do."

And I truly didn't believe officials in the US government would react to having their adventurism allowance cut, by selling missiles to our enemies and using the proceeds to fund the same bullshiat they were just told to knock the hell off. Americans were by and large good people, after all. But as it turns out, I was dead farking wrong.

Looking at nothing more than the history of CIA-perpetrated nonsense in the US and the fact that Pakistan's intelligence service is even *less* aligned with the rest of their government's policies, I have absolutely no trouble believing that plenty of officials may well have been directly involved in protecting Bin Laden.

It would be the height of naivete or willful blindness to think that sort of thing beyond government or intelligence power brokers, even in a country otherwise overflowing with wonderful people.
 
2012-04-05 03:09:59 PM
FTFA: Earlier this month, new details emerged about bin Laden's last days in his compound in Abbottabad where he was caught between two feuding wives. . .

That man was living in HELL.

He was probably praying to Allah that the US would hurry the fark up and kill him.
 
2012-04-05 03:10:11 PM

Headso: obvious tag taking a shiat?


Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-04-05 03:14:50 PM
www.hizb.org.uk
 
2012-04-05 03:15:26 PM
"...living in Pakistani cities, where he moved several times and fathered a handful of children."

That farker!
 
2012-04-05 03:20:07 PM
Pakistan was helping Osama bin Laden?

I'd like to show you something, it's my shocked face.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-05 03:22:24 PM

wee: Rev.K: Yeah, that's a politically defensible idea with absolutely no threat of consequence whatsoever.

Indeed. But I think it might be a nice time to stop giving those duplicitous bastards $3 billion a year in aid. We're basically paying the terrorists...


and to not take over the Nukes those idiots just HAD to HAVE.

Really, that govt falls apart and there's loose nukes. You think they went postal over images of their sky wizard before? This would be a whole new level of death and destruction.

Whole damn place is a mess.
 
2012-04-05 03:23:46 PM

Vegemite: That sounds like a good defense policy. The destruction of an entire country would show that we take terrorism seriously. On the downside though, it might come up at a meeting in Geneva.


Fark the Swiss. What are they going to do? Knife us and pedal away furiously?

Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: He was probably praying to Allah that the US would hurry the fark up and kill him.


Where do you think the tip off came from?
 
2012-04-05 03:26:01 PM
8 months... 10 years... What's the difference?
 
2012-04-05 03:26:40 PM
The Pakistani government, leadership, and the majority of their people are not our friend. They are our enemy. While not every person in Pakistan agrees, the nation itself is our adversary. They created the Taliban. They allowed Khan to spread nuclear secrets to rogue organizations and governments. They have waged a warm war against India through terrorism for decades. They contribute nothing to the world besides hate, fear, and cheap tactical knives. Just because they were once part of the British Empire doesn't make them anything to us. As soon as we are out of Afghanistan (the sooner the better) we should tell Pakistan to kiss off and fully support India. They had their chance to make nice and they didn't.
 
2012-04-05 03:30:19 PM

ringersol: Looking at nothing more than the history of CIA-perpetrated nonsense in the US and the fact that Pakistan's intelligence service is even *less* aligned with the rest of their government's policies, I have absolutely no trouble believing that plenty of officials may well have been directly involved in protecting Bin Laden.

It would be the height of naivete or willful blindness to think that sort of thing beyond government or intelligence power brokers, even in a country otherwise overflowing with wonderful people.


You raise some fair points. But I don't think UBL trusted the ISI either. Would you, in his shoes? He didn't know how or when ISI sympathizers might turn on him, or be discovered by someone who was more in line with official policy (or just greedy). He basically trusted just a handful of proven devotees who knew how to go to Pakistan and easily blend, were skillful at buying privacy from local officials, and never aroused much suspicion. And they were damned successful at it, until last spring.
 
2012-04-05 03:31:25 PM
We should have given them more money. A few billion more, and their hearts and minds would have been ours.
 
2012-04-05 03:31:58 PM

King Something: And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country


You know, it's not for me to judge since I didn't serve, but I wonder how all those people who joined in the fall of 2001 felt when Bush and Cheney said they didn't care where Osama was, that they didn't waste any time thinking about him.

/of course, that was a tactic to lull Osama into marrying 4 women and raising a family for several years...no, I mean to lull Osama into making a stupid mistake and exposing himself to us.
 
2012-04-05 03:33:35 PM

Rev.K: King Something: scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country

Yeah, that's a politically defensible idea with absolutely no threat of consequence whatsoever.


I say we switch our cars over to natural gas via a stimulus package and pull out of the entire region.
 
2012-04-05 03:34:19 PM

King Something: And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country


We will get to them eventually I am sure. Right now we're looking at Iran. They are a direct threat and have said many times they want to kill us all because they're jealous of our freedom or some shiat. Pakistan didn't protect Bin Laden any more than Bush or Clinton did, but I am sure they are jealous of our freedom too.

Also 9/11
 
2012-04-05 03:41:12 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: King Something: And thanks, Bush, as well, for giving up the search for him 2 or 3 months before bin Laden went into Pakistan.

/it's high time we evacuate the US Embassy in Islamabad and just go full Sherman And Nobunaga on Pakistan
//scorched earth, till salt into the farmlands, raze every building without letting people escape first, annihilate every last square inch of the country

You know, it's not for me to judge since I didn't serve, but I wonder how all those people who joined in the fall of 2001 felt when Bush and Cheney said they didn't care where Osama was, that they didn't waste any time thinking about him.

/of course, that was a tactic to lull Osama into marrying 4 women and raising a family for several years...no, I mean to lull Osama into making a stupid mistake and exposing himself to us.


Because those people that enlisted thought they were going to be specifically going after Bin Laden?
 
2012-04-05 03:44:28 PM
Genius move.

"Allow" the US to use Pakistani bases to attack Afghanistan, in exchange for aid and support of the weak regime. US military action helps Pakistan economically and politically, and completely eliminates a threat on one of their borders.

Since Pakistan is nuclear armed, even if they got busted they could be pretty sure the US wouldn't do anything about it, and so far, they've been right.
 
2012-04-05 03:45:15 PM
The inescapable conclusion is that he was helped by high-level officials in Pakistan," said Richard Clarke, former White House counterterrorism advisor and now a consultant to ABC News.

While Vice President Dick Cheney ran the Pakistan policy out of his office. Dealing only with high level officials, keeping the State Department and CIA in the dark, he stifled the normal intelligence that comes when mid and lower level diplomats deal with each other. And soon after Cheney was out of the mix and this intelligence started to flow again, it led to the break needed to get bin Laden. Not to mention the absurd rules of engagement that Rumsfeld and Cheney set up about Pakistan's "sovereignty" that wouldn't allow NATO troops to chase the Taliban and their allied tribes into Pakistan after their hit and run raids. Rules of engagement that would not allow troops to cross the border but would allow missiles to be blindly fired into areas based on "intelligence" reports of dubious origin and intent.

It almost seems that Cheney was protecting bin Laden. Now why would he want to do that?


T
 
2012-04-05 03:52:12 PM
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America lost its grip on reality.
 
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