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2012-04-05 12:01:47 PM
I farking hate EA games, but I love the Mass Effect series. I'm holding off on buying ME3 until the middle of next year when they are actually done with releasing all the pieces of the game, oh so cleverly disguised as DLC.
 
2012-04-05 12:24:14 PM

Lando Lincoln: I farking hate EA games, but I love the Mass Effect series. I'm holding off on buying ME3 until the middle of next year when they are actually done with releasing all the pieces of the game, oh so cleverly disguised as DLC.


To be fair, it does look to be a free DLC. Which may assuage part of the butthurt for the folks who complained bitterly about the DLC from the get go...
 
2012-04-05 12:24:58 PM
Finally. Hope one of them in puce.
 
2012-04-05 12:25:28 PM
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The problem with the ending is that it came completely out of nowhere -- if they're able to add context, I might get to like it.

Also, I loved ME2 because I was able to divide my forces... sending Legion or Tali thru the vent shaft, selecting a leader for Fire Team, choosing to send someone with the crewmen back to the Normandy, having a biotic assist you as you reach the heart of the collector's base, have your remaining squadmates hold the line while you kill the human reaper. That was awesome, specially when you completed all the loyalty quests and chose wisely and had everyone survive.

in ME3, I get roasted by Harbinger and Marauder Shields tries to prevent me from having my brain melted by the incoming Deus Ex Machina.
 
2012-04-05 12:43:15 PM

Dinobot: The problem with the ending is that it came completely out of nowhere -- if they're able to add context, I might get to like it.


I'd be very happy if they flash backed to a dozen instances throughout the series where they subtly hinted at this that we just didn't catch, giving the player the "Oooooooh shiat so THAT'S what they meant" feeling.

Either that, or build on the theory that Shepard was indoctrinated at the end and make that clearer.
 
2012-04-05 12:59:21 PM
So are they retconning the current ending, or just expanding on what the god-child said in hopes of filling some of the gaping plot holes?

My idea would've been to:

A) have an epic space battle with all of your resources which determines whether Earth survives or is destroyed. If it survives then move to B. If not, game over.

B) Now that earth is safe for the time being, you find a way to use TIM's research on controlling the reaper hordes and how to expand that using the crucible. Once the research is done you implement it into the crucible.During this research time you're going system to system battling Reapers at Palaven, Thessia, Rannoch, etc, (I'd imagine it like the scanning minigame, except you have a whole fleet behind you and epic PEW PEWs happen and Reapers slowly die) and slowly losing forces depending on your strength. If your forces dwindle too much, game over.

C) The signal is sent out which switches their nanite programming to attack anything with a Reaper signal causing the Reaper hordes to turn from attacking organics, to ripping apart the Reapers themselves. The Brutes begin climbing over the Reapers ripping them piece by piece. Harbinger class Reapers are literally torn apart from the inside as tons of Husks start pouring out and tearing whole pieces off. Basically using the Reaper's own strategy against them. The Geth are ordered to stay in the Far Rim at this point, since all of them are running Reaper technology.

D) After their destruction, the final signal is sent which disables everything using the Reaper nanites. All of the hordes just drop. Organics are saved and the endings happen showing the Geth helping to rebuild homes, Salarians helping to reseed Tuchanka, etc. (you know, the fruits of your labors).

That's just my idea of a cool ending. One that actually puts your assets to use and lets you see what you actually worked toward. Plus I really wanted to have the situation to use TIM's research, while saying it was terrible he did it, but it also helped us win.
 
2012-04-05 01:09:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: So are they retconning the current ending, or just expanding on what the god-child said in hopes of filling some of the gaping plot holes?


Expanding/adding context/exposition.
 
2012-04-05 02:05:48 PM
www.hecklerspray.com

/hot
 
2012-04-05 03:19:28 PM
Jennifer Hale, the actress who does the Female Shepard, said that she hasn't been contacted to do additional dialogue
 
2012-04-05 03:51:15 PM
It will probably be an epilogue ending like they had in Dragon Age: Origins
 
2012-04-05 03:52:27 PM

Dinobot: scottydoesntknow: So are they retconning the current ending, or just expanding on what the god-child said in hopes of filling some of the gaping plot holes?

Expanding/adding context/exposition.


What they're really doing is just adding some Dragon Age: Origins epilogue cards, telling us how screwed everything is without the mass relays.

To have something out this summer, there's no way they can retcon things, too much would have to be done. Programmers, writers, voice actors, testers, editors, the list goes on. You can't bring in that much manpower to get something out the door without losing something.

The options are good, fast, and cheap. Pick two
 
2012-04-05 03:53:25 PM

HotDogDay82: It will probably be an epilogue ending like they had in Dragon Age: Origins


*shakes fist impotently*
 
2012-04-05 03:53:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: So are they retconning the current ending, or just expanding on what the god-child said in hopes of filling some of the gaping plot holes?



They are expanding on the existing ending with cutscenes and depending on the choices that you've made you'll experience "Actual" different scenes at least.

All I know is that the Bioware forums are FULL of whiny gamers right now wanting even more. It kind of makes me sick.
 
2012-04-05 03:56:14 PM
Yeah in my opinion there is no way to salvage the ending they're currently written. You'd have to rewrite significant parts of the story, including the Reapers' motivations, to get any kind of quality ending.
 
2012-04-05 03:57:54 PM

mcgreggers99: scottydoesntknow: So are they retconning the current ending, or just expanding on what the god-child said in hopes of filling some of the gaping plot holes?



They are expanding on the existing ending with cutscenes and depending on the choices that you've made you'll experience "Actual" different scenes at least.

All I know is that the Bioware forums are FULL of whiny gamers right now wanting even more. It kind of makes me sick.


The BSN forums in the last couple of years are as bad as Steampowered was in its worst cesspool days. You can't comment on anything over there--positively, negatively, or even filling in in-universe facts for people--without whole groups of assholes jumping on you and calling you every name in the book. Avoid at all costs.
 
2012-04-05 03:58:32 PM

mcgreggers99: All I know is that the Bioware forums are FULL of whiny gamers right now wanting even more. It kind of makes me sick.


All this outrage over a video game ending just makes me shake my head. Of course to be fair in my day if you found out the game was shiat, you returned in to Babbages for a refund. These days thanks to digital distro, you own it for life (or until the service shuts down).

/I'll go back to my nursing home now
 
2012-04-05 03:58:41 PM

mcgreggers99: All I know is that the Bioware forums are FULL of whiny gamers right now wanting even more


Probably because what they say they are giving doesn't sound like it will fix the deus ex machina at the end

/I'm hopeful
//There are also some that are upset that no matter what, Shep dies, and I don't care about that. A good end (as in well written) does not have to be a good end (as in the hero lives)
 
2012-04-05 03:59:28 PM

tortilla burger: Yeah in my opinion there is no way to salvage the ending they're currently written. You'd have to rewrite significant parts of the story, including the Reapers' motivations, to get any kind of quality ending.


They're Reapers. It'll just be, "We are advanced and so decide it. It is logical when unargued."
 
2012-04-05 04:00:05 PM
God damn it, they caved in to those whiny petulant retards who decided that the ending to a video game was the next big, "let's get all the losers on the internet to shiat all over this like it matters," trend. A dangerous precedent to make, like buying the kid who's having a temper tantrum a big new toy to shut him up.
 
2012-04-05 04:00:59 PM
Still this franchise is just getting it's legs.

This controversy will eventually quiet down. It won't ever be forgotten, this is some fairly historic sh*t from a gamer's perspective, but the anger will diminish with time.

By the time the feature film comes out in a few years it's only going to get bigger....like anime....books....comics......games.....pajamas.......Saturday morning.....breakfast cereal levels of huge.

EA has a gold mine with this IP and they know it.
 
2012-04-05 04:01:29 PM
I'm just hoping they give us a better picture of Tali's face. That was almost as disappointing as the ending itself...
 
2012-04-05 04:01:40 PM

ha-ha-guy: All this outrage over a video game ending just makes me shake my head. Of course to be fair in my day if you found out the game was shiat, you returned in to Babbages for a refund. These days thanks to digital distro paranoid retailers who won't allow for a return on an opened game, you own it for life (or until the service shuts down).


FTFY

/My copy was the preordered CE for Xbox, I wouldn't be able to return that any more than you can return the Origin copy
//I guess I can resell it, but I won't
 
2012-04-05 04:01:55 PM

the_sidewinder: //There are also some that are upset that no matter what, Shep dies, and I don't care about that. A good end (as in well written) does not have to be a good end (as in the hero lives)


images4.fanpop.com
Agrees

/IMO one of the best endings to a game in a long time
//You can't run from your past
 
2012-04-05 04:04:35 PM
I don't actually have a problem with the Reaper motivations or anything like that. I thought it was kinda interesting.

What bugged me most about the ending is that the entire series was building up based upon the choices you made, and all that added up to was seeing Joker and some leaves shimmer.

I'd like to know how the galaxy fares now that the reaper threat is forever gone, and how the massive fleets above Earth are going to handle everything now that they don't have a way home. Remember, the leaders and top people from each race are trapped in human territory.
 
2012-04-05 04:05:46 PM

Passive Aggressive Larry: God damn it, they caved in to those whiny petulant retards who decided that the ending to a video game was the next big, "let's get all the losers on the internet to shiat all over this like it matters," trend. A dangerous precedent to make, like buying the kid who's having a temper tantrum a big new toy to shut him up.


Ohh shut up. This isn't setting a precendent. Fallout 3 already covered that with Broken Steel. And fans rejoiced because of it.
 
2012-04-05 04:07:55 PM

Passive Aggressive Larry: God damn it, they caved in to those whiny petulant retards who decided that the ending to a video game was the next big, "let's get all the losers on the internet to shiat all over this like it matters," trend. A dangerous precedent to make, like buying the kid who's having a temper tantrum a big new toy to shut him up.


You should drop the 'passive' moniker
 
2012-04-05 04:09:03 PM
Didn't have a problem with the ending personally, aside from the fact that the production values for it were a step down from everything else. Sounds like this will fix my only issue with it. Good.
 
2012-04-05 04:10:17 PM

tortilla burger: Yeah in my opinion there is no way to salvage the ending they're currently written. You'd have to rewrite significant parts of the story, including the Reapers' motivations, to get any kind of quality ending.


The Indoctrination Theory could make this a decent ending to the second part of a trilogy, not the final part.

SPOILERS

Have the beam work as planned, and have Harbinger try to merge with the Citadel, leading to a running fight with people and tech possessed by Harbinger. Then, Shepard reaches a control center and manages to open the arms. He must then give commands to his surviving allies and the war assets he amassed through the game. Harbinger returns for a final fight (maybe possessing Udina's body, as a parallel to Saren and Sovereign). Once Harbinger is defeated, cue the ending, the quality of which is based on your allies, war assets, and how effectively you used them against the Reaper fleet.
 
2012-04-05 04:10:43 PM
FEAR THE RAINBOW! COCKPUNCH THE RAINBOW!
 
2012-04-05 04:11:20 PM

Aarontology: I don't actually have a problem with the Reaper motivations or anything like that. I thought it was kinda interesting.


Well that's the problem, this motivation they had is in disconnect with the rest of the series (and ins't impacted by, oh I dunno, ending the war between the Quarians and the Geth)

Originally the ending was going to entail dark energy buildup in stars, causing them to age too fast (like on Haestrom) and how the Reapers are trying to prevent this by allowing races to advance to a point where their technology is useful, and guide them down a set path of technological advancement that brings them there. From there, the race or races would be harvested to make new Reapers (like in ME2) so that they could potentially stop the dark matter buildup or understand how it was happening. Humanity was supposed to be of great interest to the Reapers because we had a larger genetic diversity than other species and the Reapers were hoping that we would be the solution to the dark energy problem
 
2012-04-05 04:11:35 PM

scottydoesntknow: Agrees

/IMO one of the best endings to a game in a long time
//You can't run from your past


In RDR after getting about 4/5 way through you kind of think to yourself "John is not going to live". You realize, unless your not really thinking about it, that no resolution is going to work unless he is dead. So it ends where it has too. Yeah it's a good job.

Because you realize all these people will be wanting him dead no matter what happens.
 
2012-04-05 04:14:15 PM
There was some extrapolation in that post, but here's the original writer on what the end of ME3 was to be (new window)
 
2012-04-05 04:15:06 PM
The only way to really fix the ending is to get rid of the Architect, I mean "Star Child", and remove the ridiculous Deus Ex Machina plot device. But they won't and they can't. Anyone who's played the game won't be in the same mental frame they were when they first played the game. Even cleaning up the endings won't really help. Bad writing is just bad writing.

If you pour a bunch of febreeze over crap it's still crap.

Between this ending, SWTOR, and DA2 I'm done with BioWare as day 1 or pre-order purchase. Sad how the mighty have fallen. I blame EA. Because it's easy.

/Sure as hell won't be buying any DLC for ME3
// Pity. The rest of the story was awesome.
 
2012-04-05 04:15:20 PM
Cannot view website at work... can someone fill me in on the date?

Still haven't finished. Have to say, I'm actually enjoying the multiplayer right now. Didn't think I would.
 
2012-04-05 04:16:35 PM

Jurodan: I'm just hoping they give us a better picture of Tali's face. That was almost as disappointing as the ending itself...


Now THAT DLC will cost you money.

/what did you expect, remember, EA?
 
2012-04-05 04:17:31 PM

the_sidewinder: There was some extrapolation in that post, but here's the original writer on what the end of ME3 was to be (new window)


I've read this before...it doesn't really seem all that much better that what was given. I do hope that this bit of extra content gives some sense of closure and weight to the decisions that were made.
 
2012-04-05 04:18:02 PM

darcsun: Cannot view website at work... can someone fill me in on the date?


Summer some time, no hard date

/At least it will be free
 
2012-04-05 04:20:31 PM

mcgreggers99: I've read this before...it doesn't really seem all that much better that what was given. I do hope that this bit of extra content gives some sense of closure and weight to the decisions that were made.


It doesn't read like it was planned to be a whole lot bigger, but there was more connections to the earlier games and established plot than the end we did get, which still makes it better (less deus ex and all that, no ending from out of the ass)

/Should also change the starchild to be an avatar of Harbinger, that would have helped
 
2012-04-05 04:21:17 PM

scottydoesntknow: the_sidewinder: //There are also some that are upset that no matter what, Shep dies, and I don't care about that. A good end (as in well written) does not have to be a good end (as in the hero lives)

[images4.fanpop.com image 494x599]
Agrees

/IMO one of the best endings to a game in a long time
//You can't run from your past


I don't think the furor is about shep dying, is about how nonsensical the ending is without context.

And yet people looking in from the outside, or editors (like the guys from IGN and kotaku) think that what we want is ponies and rainbows for an ending.
 
2012-04-05 04:21:32 PM

the_sidewinder: darcsun: Cannot view website at work... can someone fill me in on the date?

Summer some time, no hard date

/At least it will be free


It will be available FOR FREE until April of 2014...so even people buying it used will get the additional content
 
2012-04-05 04:23:57 PM

Dinobot: scottydoesntknow: the_sidewinder: //There are also some that are upset that no matter what, Shep dies, and I don't care about that. A good end (as in well written) does not have to be a good end (as in the hero lives)

[images4.fanpop.com image 494x599]
Agrees

/IMO one of the best endings to a game in a long time
//You can't run from your past

I don't think the furor is about shep dying, is about how nonsensical the ending is without context.

And yet people looking in from the outside, or editors (like the guys from IGN and kotaku) think that what we want is ponies and rainbows for an ending.


Yep, it's amazing how many articles start with "ME3 fans upset they didn't get a happy puppy/rainbow ending" and the first 30 comments are "no moron, we're upset because it didn't make sense. Kill Shepard 100 times for all I care, just have it make sense."
 
2012-04-05 04:24:47 PM
Now that I've finally finished it I can finally read one of these threads.

I thought the ending to ME3 was good, made sense, and I don't think it at all earned the nerdrage it triggered. With this DLC they're just going to spoon feed us the different consequences that they implied in the current endings. I'll be happy to watch the extra content, but I was satisfied with the ending as it was.

The only things that pissed me off were the day 1 DLC (that was bullshiat and SHOULD have been included in the main game) and the way they pretty much forced you to play multiplayer if you wanted to be completionist and get the "best" (aka - most optimistic) of outcomes. And that pressuring people thusly to play the multiplayer was a thinly-veiled attempt to squeeze more cash out of us all in the form of Bioware points.

But the ending itself? I'm just fine with that the way it is, and there are differences between the versions aside from the color... they just aren't explicitly laid out.
 
2012-04-05 04:28:08 PM

the_sidewinder: Aarontology: I don't actually have a problem with the Reaper motivations or anything like that. I thought it was kinda interesting.

Well that's the problem, this motivation they had is in disconnect with the rest of the series (and ins't impacted by, oh I dunno, ending the war between the Quarians and the Geth)

Originally the ending was going to entail dark energy buildup in stars, causing them to age too fast (like on Haestrom) and how the Reapers are trying to prevent this by allowing races to advance to a point where their technology is useful, and guide them down a set path of technological advancement that brings them there. From there, the race or races would be harvested to make new Reapers (like in ME2) so that they could potentially stop the dark matter buildup or understand how it was happening. Humanity was supposed to be of great interest to the Reapers because we had a larger genetic diversity than other species and the Reapers were hoping that we would be the solution to the dark energy problem


You know, I completely spaced on the baby Reaper part of why they were harvesting people, and a few of the other plot points of ME2. It was completely ignored in favor of general death and destruction.
 
2012-04-05 04:28:12 PM
I guess I'll have to get an Xbox live account so I can download it. I'm not angry about the ending so much as confused. I put a lot of time and emotion into the game, made some hard choices and really identified with the characters as written, and I don't really understand what happened at the end. Nothing made any sense (or at least seemed consistent with everything else) and I felt there wasn't any resolution.

I figured Shepard was going to die early during the third, because it's the only way--everything since he became a Spectre was Shepard sacrificing himself for everyone else to have a chance, so that part didn't bother me. But the little kid who was only hinted at a short time before hand followed by the surrealness of the final scenes and no conversation options just left me disappointed.

I could have handled it if I had apparently chosen badly the entire way through and this was the game's "bad ending". Then I'd have started over and tried again. But everyone gets basically the same ending.
 
2012-04-05 04:29:27 PM

Dinobot:
I don't think the furor is about shep dying, is about how nonsensical the ending is without context.

And yet people looking in from the outside, or editors (like the guys from IGN and kotaku) think that what we want is ponies and rainbows for an ending.


That's what annoys me about the reporting on this whole thing. I don't care one teeny-tiny bit that Shepard dies at the end. What annoyed me about the ending was that it made all my choices earlier in the game completely irrelevant. I saved the damn Geth, got them to work with Quarians to revitalize Rannoch, and got Eve to successfully work with Urdnot Wreave in what was looking like it was going to be an interesting future. But with the Mass Relays gone and Shepard dead and all the fleets trapped on Earth, none of that matters now. Hooray! I solved the storyline for.... A week or two!

And I'm not even going to get into the whole "three color ending" and the Deus Ex Machina, enough people have already gone over why gamers are annoyed by that.
 
2012-04-05 04:30:05 PM

the_sidewinder: Originally the ending was going to entail dark energy buildup in stars, causing them to age too fast (like on Haestrom) and how the Reapers are trying to prevent this by allowing races to advance to a point where their technology is useful, and guide them down a set path of technological advancement that brings them there. From there, the race or races would be harvested to make new Reapers (like in ME2) so that they could potentially stop the dark matter buildup or understand how it was happening. Humanity was supposed to be of great interest to the Reapers because we had a larger genetic diversity than other species and the Reapers were hoping that we would be the solution to the dark energy problem


Are you sure about this? That would have been more interesting than "we kill you b/c you're gonna get in fights with the robots alot"

They never explained why they were so interested in Shepard, either. I was thinking it was b/c they wanted to make him the basis of a reapers personality.
 
2012-04-05 04:30:52 PM

mongbiohazard: Now that I've finally finished it I can finally read one of these threads.

I thought the ending to ME3 was good, made sense, and I don't think it at all earned the nerdrage it triggered. With this DLC they're just going to spoon feed us the different consequences that they implied in the current endings. I'll be happy to watch the extra content, but I was satisfied with the ending as it was.

The only things that pissed me off were the day 1 DLC (that was bullshiat and SHOULD have been included in the main game) and the way they pretty much forced you to play multiplayer if you wanted to be completionist and get the "best" (aka - most optimistic) of outcomes. And that pressuring people thusly to play the multiplayer was a thinly-veiled attempt to squeeze more cash out of us all in the form of Bioware points.

But the ending itself? I'm just fine with that the way it is, and there are differences between the versions aside from the color... they just aren't explicitly laid out.


Your first time in one of these threads? Please, go read some of the complaints about the ending. Or watch some of the youtube videos. This ending is pretty objectively terrible. As something standalone it would've been interesting, but as a "resolution" to the ME story it didn't make any damned sense.
 
2012-04-05 04:32:16 PM

mongbiohazard: I thought the ending to ME3 was good, made sense,


What about it made sense? The star child negates the main plot of ME1 (why did Sovereign need to fix the citadel mass relay if the station has an AI that could fix it), his conversation negates the "evolved along the paths we dictate" thing, it ignores any peace that you may have achieved with synthetics, and how in the world is "Synthesis" supposed to help
 
2012-04-05 04:32:31 PM

the_sidewinder: Probably because what they say they are giving doesn't sound like it will fix the deus ex machina at the end

/I'm hopeful
//There are also some that are upset that no matter what, Shep dies, and I don't care about that. A good end (as in well written) does not have to be a good end (as in the hero lives)


You guys DO know that Shepard doesn't die in every version of the ending yeah? In my own playthrough (total Paragon, 5k+ War Assets, 100% Readiness rating) she lived.
 
2012-04-05 04:34:11 PM

Rincewind53: And I'm not even going to get into the whole "three color ending" and the Deus Ex Machina, enough people have already gone over why gamers are annoyed by that.


After I beat it, I actually had to go online to make sure that I had gotten the best ending because I thought there had to be more to it than Joker turns kinda robot.
 
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