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2012-04-05 03:39:16 PM

The Homer Tax: Silly Jesus: Even if Zimmerman put a hand on Martin's shoulder and said "what are you up to", Martin is not legally justified in using enough force to kill the guy. It goes back to the shooting someone in the head for slapping you analogy. Hand on shoulder (or push etc.) does not translate into bashing head into sidewalk. Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat, but it doesn't mean that you can beat someone endlessly, even after the point that they are no longer a threat to you. I'm not trying to vilify Martin. I can understand why he would be scared, and acting on adrenaline, but that doesn't make Zimmerman a criminal or a horrible person. It was an unfortunate series of events that ended tragically, but I don't think that it was criminal.

If Zimmerman was following this kid around and confronted him, how could he possibly be "standing his ground?" He pursued Martin. He didn't stand anywhere until the situation that he initiated got allegedly out of control.

If you pick a fight with someone and they start kicking your ass, killing them in turn is not "self defense.
"


Legally, it is.

If I slap you, and you in turn bash my head into the sidewalk as retaliation, I can am certainly justified in shooting you with what I feel might be my last breath. Slapping, and touching, don't get the death penalty.
 
2012-04-05 03:39:38 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BadAdviceGuy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zimmeman should have been able to approach and ask a young person what he's doing, without getting attacked over it. If Martin would have just left Zimmermang alone and stated where he was going, instead of attacking him, he'd still be alive and Zimmermang wouldn't be recieving death threats

Exactly. I have a teen, and after this incident I sat down with them and made sure they understand that if an older gentleman is following you slowly in their car, and get out and want to talk to you, don't run or fight back. Especially if they have a gun, just stop and do whatever the man says, otherwise things might turn out badly.

You should teach them to call the police or run home in that situation. Or, ya know, tell them to hide and then attack the guy with the gun. But we kinda know now that's a bad idea.


The police might not respond quickly and running might further provoke the man, those are terrible suggestions. I explained to my teen that they should try and stay calm and trust that the man approaching them has their best interests in mind. If things go badly, well, that's why I bought them a whistle.
 
2012-04-05 03:40:35 PM

Hobodeluxe: MoeSzyslak: Hobodeluxe: cold? hmm. he had a jacket on. it's Orlando Fla in the warmest spring on record. temp was probably around 70 because it had just gotten dark.

63 degrees and raining

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHist or y.html (new window)

Adds "it's farking cold" to list of racist phrases not to be used.

How many white 7 -9 yr olds did he report to 911 for popping wheelies on their bikes?

what did he mean by "THESE assholes always get away"?

this "enhancement" changes nothing, Zimmerman had already shown prejudice. Whether racial or not. He had already determined that he was up to no good and high on something.
Black guy in hoodie = Thug. Then he proceeds to follow him. Then he has an argument/struggle with him and he shoots him. In the facts we know from Zimmerman's own account that Trayvon is trying to avoid him. We know he disregarded advice from the dispatcher. He was a vigilante. And Fla has laws against armed vigilantism.


People who burglarize and or cause trouble in his community always get away? You're obviously implying he meant blacks. Do you have anything to back that up?
 
2012-04-05 03:40:58 PM

PsiChick: That's possible. Were there codes on the gates?

/However, that's the only thing I can think of that would not be 'coons' and make any goddamn sense
//Also, this man killed a child and walks free. Why is this happening?


Yes. Go to the corner of Oregon Ave. and Twin Trees, Sanford, FL, in Google Maps, street view. Face south. You will see black gates at both the street and sidewalk, with code boxes.

(According to the witnesses, Zimmerman killed a 6'1" teenager who had attacked him, and was bashing his head on the pavement, that's why.)

/ He said "farking codes"
// Obviously
 
2012-04-05 03:41:09 PM

boogie_down: Silly Jesus: Obama -- Black father and White mother = Black

Zimmerman -- White father and Peruvian mother = White

Got it.


Wow... I never new Peruvian was considered a race along the same lines as white and black. That's amazing.

It makes sense, you would never see a "white" Peruvian!
[i1057.photobucket.com image 262x192]
That would be absolutely ridiculous!
[i1057.photobucket.com image 256x192]
Almost as crazy as seeing a white brazilian!!!
[i1057.photobucket.com image 186x271]
or, heaven forbid, a white Puerto Rican!!!
[i1057.photobucket.com image 200x252]

Thankfully I have Fark to cram me fully of racial knowledge or I might make a fool out of myself on the internet one day.

Thanks Fark!


See: Any news story about Hispanics / Mexicans etc. and "racial" tensions yadda yadda yadda. I didn't claim that it was anthropologically correct, but it is overwhelmingly used that way.

/Nice pics, Peruvians are purty.
 
2012-04-05 03:41:54 PM

Mike Chewbacca: The Homer Tax: ciberido: I'm having trouble understanding why anyone who isn't a racist would think Zimmerman not being white would make everything better, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe somebody will explain it to me eventually.

The whole race angle to this thing pisses me off because on both sides, its' the least material aspect of the entire discussion.

What's far more interesting to me is that it's legal to stalk, harass, confront, and then kill someone if they start kicking your ass in reaction to your stalking, harassment, and confrontation of them.

That's so farked up, I don't even know how to wrap my head around it.

That's how I see it. Would Zimmerman have questioned Trayvon's right to in that neighborhood if he'd been white? Probably not. But the thing that really matters is that a 17-year-old kid is kid for no good reason, and the cops really dropped the ball trying to find out what exactly happened.


Uh, what if they didn't drop the ball, and know what happened, but people aren't satisfied with that conclusion? Or they did drop the ball, and still they think they know what happened?

Or they did just don't have enough evidence to charge him of a crime. Right now in the US deadly force in self defense is legal. If the Florida considers this action self defense, then the prosecutor is fighting a losing battle. What do we gain by him getting charged and then getting found not-guilty?
 
2012-04-05 03:42:02 PM

kidgenius: DROxINxTHExWIND: The six times when he identified the "suspicious person" (after being asked) it was always a black person.

Except for those times where they were either White Males or Hispanic Males, amirite?


Does race matter to anyone but idiots trying to justify or distract from the real matter?

Also, if Trayvon did decide to jump the quick healing hero Zimmerman from behind who was saving his gated community the fate of tasting the rainbow, then why wouldnt he hang up his phone?

I would think 2 hands are better than one even if you are a couple inches taller than the innocent guy driving around with a loaded gun...

/how far away from Zimmerman's car was Trayvon's DEAD body found?
 
2012-04-05 03:42:29 PM

HBK: I know it's difficult, but you can't punch somebody for simply talking to you.


I can't defend myself from an armed stranger who has been stalking and harassing me in my own neighborhood?

I'll stick with my "that's farked up" conclusion.
 
2012-04-05 03:43:04 PM

The Homer Tax: If you pick a fight with someone and they start kicking your ass, killing them in turn is not "self defense."


Actually, under Florida state law, you can do that:

776.041Use of force by aggressor.-The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1)Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b)In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.


If you start a fight, but the other guy is beating you hard enough that you reasonably believe you are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, and you can't get away from them, you can use lethal force in self-defense. If Zimmerman was being pinned down by Martin, who was smashing his head into the sidewalk, even if Zimmerman *DID* start the physical confrontation, it might still be self-defense under Florida law.
 
2012-04-05 03:43:31 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: unarmed


Oh just STFU with this "talking point".

topnews.in

He's unarmed. He could not possibly hurt you, right? No way he could kill you, right?
 
2012-04-05 03:43:56 PM

Silly Jesus: If you pick a fight with someone and they start kicking your ass, killing them in turn is not "self defense."

Legally, it is.

If I slap you, and you in turn bash my head into the sidewalk as retaliation, I can am certainly justified in shooting you with what I feel might be my last breath.



Especially in Florida.
 
2012-04-05 03:44:05 PM

ciberido: Silly Jesus: What's the level below a GED in Law?

I think it's called "Fark."


I've watched every law and order episode, so clearly that makes me a legal expert in Florida
 
2012-04-05 03:44:46 PM
yes yes!, race and gender have nothing to do with this case.

the police wouldn't arrest a 28 year old black guy who was found at the scene of a dead 17 year old white girl when he admitted he shot her in self defense. especially if he looks a little banged up and witnesses sort of, kind of, inconsistently, corroborate his story.
 
2012-04-05 03:45:11 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Silly Jesus: GriffXX: Silly Jesus: GriffXX: Silly Jesus: Mavent: Silly Jesus: Stalked = Walked down a public sidewalk behind him

...and then killed him. Funny how you left that part out.

Now tell me, genius: what would have happened if Zimmerman would have simply minded his own goddamn business, like the 911 operator told him too?

...and then bashed his head into the sidewalk simply for walking behind him. Funny how you left that part out.

Can nobody walk behind anyone now? It was just as much ZImmerman's property as it was Martin's. He had every right to walk down that sidewalk if he wanted to. Also, the dispatcher didn't tell him to stop, and would have no authority to do so even if she tried.

/can't tell if you are trolling or not, poe's law and all...

Heh, when I read that I pictured you walking to your car late at night being followed by a black guy in a hoodie and wondering if you would chant, "He has a right to walk behind me. He has a right to walk behind me."

Um, he does. And I can't just turn around and start beating his head into the sidewalk, otherwise he'd be allowed to shoot me. See how that works?

I don't know, man, it sure seems to me that Zimmerman's previous behavior makes it seem likely to me that he initiated a confrontation and then started getting his ass handed to him. I don't really think that fits well into the 'turned around and started beating his head into the sidewalk' scenario.

Even if Zimmerman put a hand on Martin's shoulder and said "what are you up to", Martin is not legally justified in using enough force to kill the guy. It goes back to the shooting someone in the head for slapping you analogy. Hand on shoulder (or push etc.) does not translate into bashing head into sidewalk. Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat, but it doesn't mean that you can beat someone endlessly, even after the point that they are no longer a threat to you. I'm not trying to vilify Martin. I can understand why he would be s ...


He also didn't have a gash in the back of his head in the first pictures. And, if he shot Martin as he was trying to push him off the top of him then I'm not sure how much blood would come through the bullet hole in the hoodie. EMS did clean up Zimmerman before he is seen in the video, for all we know he was allowed to get another shirt as part of the clean up or they took the one that he was wearing as evidence. Your points might be valid depending upon how all of the evidence plays out.
 
2012-04-05 03:45:19 PM

JTWestside: DROxINxTHExWIND: 9beers: DROxINxTHExWIND: Lets also stop acting like EVERY "suspicious" person that he saw wasn't black. EVERY time he identified the person that he was calling about it was a black person. Yeah, I know. Coincidence.

You might want to go back and look at the details of the calls because some were most certainly not black. You might also want to go back and listen to the 911 call because Zimmerman doesn't mention Martin's race until asked.

I don't have to go back and listen to anything. The majority of his calls were mundane like about somone leaving a garage door open. The six times when he identified the "suspicious person" (after being asked) it was always a black person.

Maybe that 13% of the population shouldn't commit 60+ percent of the violent crimes.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf table 42.

/I know I know ... statistics are racist and all that jive.



Oh, so it WASN'T racial profiling...but if it was, it was justified. LOL. Find more justifications. Believe me, if I think you're a racist, its not becauase you posted stats.
 
2012-04-05 03:45:24 PM

king_nacho: I've watched every law and order episode, so clearly that makes me a legal expert in Florida


Sorry, but the old people in Florida only recognize Perry Mason and/or Matlock as proper legal education and precedence
 
2012-04-05 03:45:28 PM

Thoguh: Whatever happened between Zimmerman and Martin is tragic, and is also under investigation. The mob basically calling for his head because they have convicted him in their minds is starting to get downright scary.

The portrayal that is being given in the media is just so ridiculously one sided. To hear them you'd think Zimmerman walked up to Martin and shot him in the head execution style while Martin was handing out food to the homeless on his way home from volunteering at the local cute puppy vet clinic.

Something very bad happened and it is pretty likely that Zimmerman isn't innocent. But the media portrayal is comical.


He should be arrested and standing trial. It's not up to the police to decide if the force was warranted or not. He admitted that he shot and killed someone, there is enough circumstantial evidence to doubt his whole story. This should be up to the courts to decide his guilt or innocence. That's the problem.

It doesn't matter if he said coon, or if he was a outright racist, that doesn't have any basis for whether or not the force he used was warranted.
 
2012-04-05 03:45:43 PM

Phinn: PsiChick: That's possible. Were there codes on the gates?

/However, that's the only thing I can think of that would not be 'coons' and make any goddamn sense
//Also, this man killed a child and walks free. Why is this happening?

Yes. Go to the corner of Oregon Ave. and Twin Trees, Sanford, FL, in Google Maps, street view. Face south. You will see black gates at both the street and sidewalk, with code boxes.

(According to the witnesses, Zimmerman killed a 6'1" teenager who had attacked him, and was bashing his head on the pavement, that's why.)

/ He said "farking codes"
// Obviously


What witnesses?

/Who cares if he is a racist, that doesnt matter.
//Who cares if you are a troll... that doesnt matter..
 
2012-04-05 03:45:50 PM

peterthx: DROxINxTHExWIND: unarmed

Oh just STFU with this "talking point".

[topnews.in image 327x500]

He's unarmed. He could not possibly hurt you, right? No way he could kill you, right?


Stop using a photo of him that is more than 10 years old!!!!
 
2012-04-05 03:45:50 PM

Silly Jesus: If I slap you, and you in turn bash my head into the sidewalk as retaliation, I can am certainly justified in shooting you with what I feel might be my last breath. Slapping, and touching, don't get the death penalty.


What if you grab me, I break your nose, you fall to the ground and try to pull a gun, and I try to knock you out and get it away from you?

You know, as long as we're speaking hypothetically.
 
2012-04-05 03:45:56 PM

Publikwerks: internut scholar: If you are following someone in your car that you suspect is a drunk driver, and they don't like the fact that you are following them, can they pull you out of your car and beat you? No they can't. If they did, and you were armed and you shot them, would you be charged? Probably not.

No, they can be - Here is the Maine law(I know, Florida, but I'm arguing that this law is stupid, and using Maine as an example of how to do it right)

C. However, a person is not justified in using deadly force as provided in paragraph A if:
(1) With the intent to cause physical harm to another, the person provokes such other person to use unlawful deadly force against anyone;
(2) The person knows that the person against whom the unlawful deadly force is directed intentionally and unlawfully provoked the use of such force; or
(3) The person knows that the person or a 3rd person can, with complete safety:
(a) Retreat from the encounter, except that the person or the 3rd person is not required to retreat if the person or the 3rd person is in the person's dwelling place and was not the initial aggressor;
(b) Surrender property to a person asserting a colorable claim of right thereto; or
(c) Comply with a demand that the person abstain from performing an act that the person is not obliged to perform. [2007, c. 173, §24 (AMD).]
[ 2007, c. 173, §24 (AMD) .]


He could have retreated. Maine law, he goes to jail.


It's hard to retreat when you're being held down and beaten. That's the point. The only difference between Maine and Florida is the ability to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter and have him prove his self-defense.
 
2012-04-05 03:46:00 PM
There should have been a buddy system applied that night. Either Trayvon didn't go to the store with a buddy or two guys should have shot Trayvon then established their joint alibi.

/It really is sad.
/What I see is a kid that was being followed, then either by accident or intentionally on the part of one or the other they met up again, Trayvon got Zimmerman on the ground, Zimmerman got on top of Trayvon, pointed his gun at him and there was either an intentional or accidental discharge.
/sad all around. the kid should have run away and Zimmerman should have left
 
2012-04-05 03:46:10 PM

peterthx: DROxINxTHExWIND: unarmed

Oh just STFU with this "talking point".

[topnews.in image 327x500]

He's unarmed. He could not possibly hurt you, right? No way he could kill you, right?



Riiiight. Because if you're alive, you have the potential to be A KILLER!! OMG!1!!!


/doubly dangerous if carrying a pigeon
 
2012-04-05 03:46:54 PM
treesloth

The hardest thing for some people, it seems, is to reserve judgment in the absence of evidence. "Who cares if the investigation isn't complete? We're ready to react now!"

The left has a long history of that behavior. "Innocent till proven guilty" is no fun for them. Tar and feather is more their game.
 
2012-04-05 03:47:12 PM

Silly Jesus: Legally, it is.

If I slap you, and you in turn bash my head into the sidewalk as retaliation, I can am certainly justified in shooting you with what I feel might be my last breath. Slapping, and touching, don't get the death penalty.


It shouldn't be. Your life is only in danger because of a situation you created.

I don't understand how Martin didn't have the right to defend himself from the armed stranger who followed and then confronted him in his own neighborhood at night, but Zimmerman did have the right to do so after the situation he created got out of hand. That's farking absurd.
 
2012-04-05 03:47:26 PM
For anyone claiming Hispanic isn't considered a race, can you please tell me what "La Raza" means?
 
2012-04-05 03:47:31 PM

CrazyCracka420: Thoguh: Whatever happened between Zimmerman and Martin is tragic, and is also under investigation. The mob basically calling for his head because they have convicted him in their minds is starting to get downright scary.

The portrayal that is being given in the media is just so ridiculously one sided. To hear them you'd think Zimmerman walked up to Martin and shot him in the head execution style while Martin was handing out food to the homeless on his way home from volunteering at the local cute puppy vet clinic.

Something very bad happened and it is pretty likely that Zimmerman isn't innocent. But the media portrayal is comical.

He should be arrested and standing trial. It's not up to the police to decide if the force was warranted or not. He admitted that he shot and killed someone, there is enough circumstantial evidence to doubt his whole story. This should be up to the courts to decide his guilt or innocence. That's the problem.

It doesn't matter if he said coon, or if he was a outright racist, that doesn't have any basis for whether or not the force he used was warranted.


Based on the investigation that you conducted I presume? Or are you just mindlessly following the herd. BAA. BAA ...sheeple.
 
2012-04-05 03:47:46 PM
The magic number is five. It takes an average of five facts presented to DroX before he gives up and leaves the thread.
 
2012-04-05 03:48:33 PM

dittybopper: If you start a fight, but the other guy is beating you hard enough that you reasonably believe you are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, and you can't get away from them, you can use lethal force in self-defense. If Zimmerman was being pinned down by Martin, who was smashing his head into the sidewalk, even if Zimmerman *DID* start the physical confrontation, it might still be self-defense under Florida law.


I understand that by Florida law it's legal.

That's my whole point. That's farked up. Florida law is farked up.
 
2012-04-05 03:48:45 PM

Publikwerks: internut scholar: If you are following someone in your car that you suspect is a drunk driver, and they don't like the fact that you are following them, can they pull you out of your car and beat you? No they can't. If they did, and you were armed and you shot them, would you be charged? Probably not.

No, they can be - Here is the Maine law(I know, Florida, but I'm arguing that this law is stupid, and using Maine as an example of how to do it right)

C. However, a person is not justified in using deadly force as provided in paragraph A if:
(1) With the intent to cause physical harm to another, the person provokes such other person to use unlawful deadly force against anyone;
(2) The person knows that the person against whom the unlawful deadly force is directed intentionally and unlawfully provoked the use of such force; or
(3) The person knows that the person or a 3rd person can, with complete safety:
(a) Retreat from the encounter, except that the person or the 3rd person is not required to retreat if the person or the 3rd person is in the person's dwelling place and was not the initial aggressor;
(b) Surrender property to a person asserting a colorable claim of right thereto; or
(c) Comply with a demand that the person abstain from performing an act that the person is not obliged to perform. [2007, c. 173, §24 (AMD).]
[ 2007, c. 173, §24 (AMD) .]


He could have retreated. Maine law, he goes to jail.


Ahahahaha. What a terribly, terribly written law. Wow.

I'm not allowed to use deadly force if I know I can surrender property with complete safety? Genius.

Except you can never KNOW with COMPLETE SAFETY that giving them your money won't result in your death.

Also WTF is up with 3c. I'm not allowed to use deadly force if I comply with a demand that I abstain from performing an act I'm not obliged to perform. What is this, I don't even...
 
2012-04-05 03:49:03 PM

kidgenius: king_nacho: I've watched every law and order episode, so clearly that makes me a legal expert in Florida

Sorry, but the old people in Florida only recognize Perry Mason and/or Matlock as proper legal education and precedence


I've got plenty of Matlock, just let me go dust off my blue suit.
 
2012-04-05 03:49:27 PM

OnlyM3: The left has a long history of that behavior. "Innocent till proven guilty" is no fun for them. Tar and feather is more their game.


you sound like a terrorist sympathizer that hates america.
 
2012-04-05 03:50:06 PM

MoeSzyslak: For anyone claiming Hispanic isn't considered a race, can you please tell me what "La Raza" means?


It means "The Race", as in the Telemundo version of CBS' "The Amazing Race". Why, what did you think it meant?
 
2012-04-05 03:50:11 PM

Phinn: Go to the corner of Oregon Ave. and Twin Trees, Sanford, FL, in Google Maps, street view. Face south.


OK, now what, McFly?
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-05 03:50:35 PM
"farking Cocks" is what I hear.
/gay
 
2012-04-05 03:50:38 PM

MoeSzyslak: For anyone claiming Hispanic isn't considered a race, can you please tell me what "La Raza" means?


Oh, shiat, this guy figured out the secret of the universe! Racist groups are always named in a way that is anthropologically and semantically sound!

By the way, can you tell me what group of Europeans the Ku Klux clan claims as its ancestors?
 
2012-04-05 03:50:55 PM

redmid17: It's hard to retreat when you're being held down and beaten.


Zimmerman had infinite opportunities to retreat as he was following the kid around his own neighborhood and confronting him.

Martin was minding his own business. Zimmerman initiated the confrontation.
 
2012-04-05 03:50:57 PM

peterthx: DROxINxTHExWIND: unarmed

Oh just STFU with this "talking point".

[topnews.in image 327x500]

He's unarmed. He could not possibly hurt you, right? No way he could kill you, right?


So the only problem you see with Zimmerman following a 17yr minor with a loaded gun, not announcing himself or who he is, and killing him is the idea that he could have grown up to be Mike Tyson?...
 
2012-04-05 03:51:04 PM

kingoomieiii: Silly Jesus: If I slap you, and you in turn bash my head into the sidewalk as retaliation, I can am certainly justified in shooting you with what I feel might be my last breath. Slapping, and touching, don't get the death penalty.

What if you grab me, I break your nose, you fall to the ground and try to pull a gun, and I try to knock you out and get it away from you?

You know, as long as we're speaking hypothetically.


All without Silly Jesus identifying himself as a cop. Keep in mind, Trayvon Martin didn't know this guy from Adam, and had no reason to think he was in any way associated with the law. As far as Trayvon Martin knew, some dude was accosting him in his own neighborhood after chasing him for five minutes. Who WOULDN'T attack someone doing that? (I have no idea who threw the first punch. I DO know that the cops receive actual training on how to approach suspicious people. It involves identifying yourself as police and being polite but also cautious. I DO know that if Zimmerman had let the cops actually do their jobs, Trayvon Martin would be alive right now.)
 
2012-04-05 03:51:04 PM
I read all of these threads with popcorn.

I personally think Zimmerman should at the very least get manslaughter, but I realize that we will all have to wait for the trial (i am confident that we will at least get that) and the media circus that that will entail (how the HELL will he get a fair trial?)

But here's my thought.

kid was supposedly "walking around aimlessly, looking around". On a trip to the store for candy, during a sporting event.....

This sounds to me like something I would have done at his age. scratch that, it *is* something I did (minus the gated neighborhood). what a great excuse for a "safety break"! I mean, we know the kid smoked the pot, and here he was stuck at his step mom's house all day, so he says "I'll go to the store for ya, kiddo" and takes his sweet time getting home so he can get another hit off the foil-y.

Yes, I know he had no drugs on his person, but its easily disposable. Also explains why he ditched Zimmerman when he noticed he was following him.

Please note, I say this not to judge the kid. Pot is not evil, and he was harming no one even if this was the scenario. If it was legal he wouldnt have to be dodgy about it anyway, and wouldn't look suspicious, and wouldn't have been shot by an overzealous douche.

so there it is. Legalize Pot, justice for Trayvon!
 
2012-04-05 03:51:12 PM
i heard on the tv that zimmerman is a racist. sharpton and jackson went down there and marched. that should settle it.

no more questions.

mods; close this thread.
 
2012-04-05 03:51:14 PM

Phinn: Mavent: Hey everybody, remember when Conservatives were so outraged over "liberal media bias" that they decided the best way to combat the race-card playing Left was by create a racist graphic denigrating a dead 17-year-old, using a photo that WASN'T EVEN HIM?

[taylormarsh.com image 429x320]

Stay classy, Republicans.

Yeah, that's probably not Trayvon Martin.

Here's a helpful graphic for you, sweety.

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And your farking point is?

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2012-04-05 03:51:17 PM

protectyourlimbs: What witnesses?


An adult neighbor, a 13 year-old neighbor, as well as the police and EMS responders who reported Zimmerman's injury to the back of his head, for which he was treated at the scene.
 
2012-04-05 03:52:11 PM

cryinoutloud: dittybopper: Except that he wasn't serving in a neighborhood watch role that night: He was on his way to the grocery store.

With a gun. *snort*


It's not normal behavior by any means -- CHL holders are a small % of the poplation anyway -- but it's definitely legal behavior. Just because you or I wouldn't do it doesn't mean it's wrong.
 
2012-04-05 03:52:13 PM
This case proves that hispanics are hot-headed and quick to anger.
 
2012-04-05 03:52:21 PM

GungFu: Riiiight. Because if you're alive, you have the potential to be A KILLER!! OMG!1!!!


Right here on the front page we have a story about an inmate turning his cellmate into unrecognizable goo: UNARMED.

Stop pretending someone unarmed somehow makes them automatically as dangerous as a purring 4-week old kitten.
 
2012-04-05 03:52:34 PM

kingoomieiii: Silly Jesus: Obama -- Black father and White mother = Black

Zimmerman -- White father and Peruvian mother = White

Got it.

To paraphrase Yo, Is This Racist- "Yo, dummy, you think Obama DECIDED to be seen as black by society?"


Cause we all know when you get that evil Zimmerman and put his racist ass behind bars, he'll be welcomed with open arms by the Aryan Brotherhood.
 
2012-04-05 03:53:53 PM

The Homer Tax: redmid17: It's hard to retreat when you're being held down and beaten.

Zimmerman had infinite opportunities to retreat as he was following the kid around his own neighborhood and confronting him.

Martin was minding his own business. Zimmerman initiated the confrontation.


And, according to him, he wasn't doing anything illegal -- following Martin doesn't count. There's really no substantive evidence to prove otherwise, so the duty to retreat doesn't really come into account until he starts feeling threatened.
 
2012-04-05 03:53:56 PM

peterthx: DROxINxTHExWIND: unarmed

Oh just STFU with this "talking point".

[topnews.in image 327x500]

He's unarmed. He could not possibly hurt you, right? No way he could kill you, right?


Not if I have a gun, you pussy.

Ugh, did this clown just go get a picture of the former Heavyweight Champion of the World and post it to justify being fearful of a 17 year?

W.T.F.??
 
2012-04-05 03:54:06 PM

The Homer Tax: dittybopper: If you start a fight, but the other guy is beating you hard enough that you reasonably believe you are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, and you can't get away from them, you can use lethal force in self-defense. If Zimmerman was being pinned down by Martin, who was smashing his head into the sidewalk, even if Zimmerman *DID* start the physical confrontation, it might still be self-defense under Florida law.

I understand that by Florida law it's legal.

That's my whole point. That's farked up. Florida law is farked up.


Yep. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, or justice. The law is amoral.
 
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