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(ESPN)   Blake Griffin commits two offensive fouls, gets credited with four points, and the Clippers lose anyway   (espn.go.com) divider line 49
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2012-04-05 11:25:19 AM
subby is clearly insane.
 
2012-04-05 11:28:41 AM
The first one is an offensive foul.
 
2012-04-05 11:36:21 AM
Pau, how ya like me now?
 
2012-04-05 11:38:38 AM
Not a big NBA fan, but I check it out once in a while. Apparently I missed some rule changes. If a guy boxes you out for a rebound, it's now okay to club him with a forearm and go over him for the rebound? I'll be darned.
 
2012-04-05 11:40:13 AM

Rickenbacker: Not a big NBA fan, but I check it out once in a while. Apparently I missed some rule changes. If a guy boxes you out for a rebound, it's now okay to club him with a forearm and go over him for the rebound? I'll be darned.


I dont think the second was a foul. Blake went over his head, not over his back.
 
2012-04-05 11:40:17 AM

Gunny Highway: The first one is an offensive foul.


Putting your forearm into the face of the defender is also an offensive foul
 
2012-04-05 11:42:46 AM

MugzyBrown: Gunny Highway: The first one is an offensive foul.

Putting your forearm into the face of the defender is also an offensive foul


Sorry, I watched them on Probasketballtalk. They had the forearm extension first on their site. That is a foul. I think the other is a judgment call. He came in from Pau's side and Pau hadnt started his jump yet.
 
2012-04-05 11:43:49 AM

Gunny Highway: MugzyBrown: Gunny Highway: The first one is an offensive foul.

Putting your forearm into the face of the defender is also an offensive foul

Sorry, I watched them on Probasketballtalk. They had the forearm extension first on their site. That is a foul. I think the other is a judgment call. He came in from Pau's side and Pau hadnt started his jump yet.


Bynum is proving himself to be a total dick.
 
2012-04-05 11:53:28 AM
I'm hoping for a hallway series this year. Would be an awesome atmosphere for playoff basketball
 
2012-04-05 12:19:19 PM
I usually hate whining about no-calls, but those were pretty blatant.
 
2012-04-05 12:23:44 PM
I like Griffin, but this will just propagate poorly in the league unless they start calling obvious fouls.
 
2012-04-05 12:24:31 PM
What surprised me is Griffin got the no-calls against another "star". Granted, Pau isn't the marketing machine like Griffin...which is exactly why he gets more free reign in the paint. I did think Pau was enough of a veteran to get the fouls called.
 
2012-04-05 12:26:01 PM
Blake Griffin is a cheap shot artist. He is becoming more and more disliked in the league. It is more important to him to try to posterize people than to win games. One day, someone is going to get tired of his shoves and elbows and take his farking legs out from under him on a dunk. And he totally deserves it. He's been learning from that dirty little shiat, Chris Paul.
 
2012-04-05 12:29:43 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Blake Griffin is a cheap shot artist. He is becoming more and more disliked in the league. It is more important to him to try to posterize people than to win games. One day, someone is going to get tired of his shoves and elbows and take his farking legs out from under him on a dunk. And he totally deserves it. He's been learning from that dirty little shiat, Chris Paul.


I cant tell if he was staring Pau down or looking at his teammate who ended up shoving him away from the play.
 
182
2012-04-05 12:31:54 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Blake Griffin is a cheap shot artist. He is becoming more and more disliked in the league. It is more important to him to try to posterize people than to win games. One day, someone is going to get tired of his shoves and elbows and take his farking legs out from under him on a dunk. And he totally deserves it. He's been learning from that dirty little shiat, Chris Paul.


haha...umad?
 
2012-04-05 12:32:21 PM
Gee, that's funny, that kind of stuff wasn't a foul when '98-02 Shaq was in his prime and knocking fools 3 rows into the seats.
 
2012-04-05 12:35:47 PM

182: AdolfOliverPanties: Blake Griffin is a cheap shot artist. He is becoming more and more disliked in the league. It is more important to him to try to posterize people than to win games. One day, someone is going to get tired of his shoves and elbows and take his farking legs out from under him on a dunk. And he totally deserves it. He's been learning from that dirty little shiat, Chris Paul.

haha...umad?


Not at all. He's a freak of an athlete, but he's a punk.

Normally I would be happy with someone with that style of play being stuck on the Clippers, but for Griffin I want to see more misery heaped on him. He already acts like he is it, when he hasn't won anything.
 
2012-04-05 12:40:29 PM

jayhawk88: Gee, that's funny, that kind of stuff wasn't a foul when '98-02 Shaq was in his prime and knocking fools 3 rows into the seats.


A Laker fan didn't submit this.
 
2012-04-05 12:43:22 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: 182: AdolfOliverPanties: Blake Griffin is a cheap shot artist. He is becoming more and more disliked in the league. It is more important to him to try to posterize people than to win games. One day, someone is going to get tired of his shoves and elbows and take his farking legs out from under him on a dunk. And he totally deserves it. He's been learning from that dirty little shiat, Chris Paul.

haha...umad?

Not at all. He's a freak of an athlete, but he's a punk.

Normally I would be happy with someone with that style of play being stuck on the Clippers, but for Griffin I want to see more misery heaped on him. He already acts like he is it, when he hasn't won anything.


The only way the Clippers will ever win anything or get any respect is a bit of arrogance, though. You're in-building rival feels it's entitled to LA and the league treats it with an entitlement mentality(-Chris Paul) for the most part. With that in mind, they need a little gall to really get anywhere. Keep in mind the Bad Boy Pistons didn't win anything until after they started acting the same way and earned the grudging respect and hatred of the players and viewers.
 
2012-04-05 12:52:37 PM
Well yeah, they were both offensive fouls, but did you see how cool it looked!!!1!!1
 
2012-04-05 12:54:24 PM
As for Shaq, yeah, he committed tons of offensive fouls that weren't called. I think the refs swallowed the whistle on those because if they called all the fouls when he was hacked, the opposing team's centers would foul out in the first half. so, they let some of that shiat go, and in return, let some of Shaq's shiat go. Otherwise, he would foul out in the first half too.

And Shaq wasn't a dirty player. He wasn't a cheap shot artist like Griffin or Paul.

As for getting respect, you don't get it by being arrogant. You get it by winning. The Bad Boy Pistons were dirty and physical, but they didn't act entitled. They were just mean, and they got respect not because of that, but because they got far in the playoffs and eventually won titles.

The Clippers haven't gotten anywhere in the playoffs yet. They have a long way to go before their game catches up to their entitled attitude and arrogance.
 
2012-04-05 12:58:13 PM

obeymatt: Well yeah, they were both offensive fouls, but did you see how cool it looked!!!1!!1


It's like last year's dunk contest. The winning dunk was very ordinary and boring, but OMGCAR and a chorus!!!
 
2012-04-05 01:06:44 PM

Car_Ramrod: obeymatt: Well yeah, they were both offensive fouls, but did you see how cool it looked!!!1!!1

It's like last year's dunk contest. The winning dunk was very ordinary and boring, but OMGCAR and a chorus!!!


Dont forget Kenny Smith
 
2012-04-05 01:16:30 PM
That's exactly what I thought when I watched those two dunks on sportscenter.

It's kind of like one of the final four games when this one dude was fouling all over the place. The announcers finally admitted that they "might" have been fouls, but the guys effort over rode the fouls that should have been called.

I was amazed that professional announcers actually justified non calls.
 
2012-04-05 01:18:39 PM
I'd call Griffin the most overrated player in the NBA, but I'm not sure if anybody thinks he's actually any good in the first place.

/makes some great posters, though
 
2012-04-05 01:24:09 PM

Huck Chaser: I'd call Griffin the most overrated player in the NBA, but I'm not sure if anybody thinks he's actually any good in the first place.

/makes some great posters, though


20, 11, 3 and he shoots 50+%. He does need to work on his FT shooting.

David West puts up 11, 6, and 2 and he shoots 45%.

I hate David West.
 
2012-04-05 01:49:22 PM

Gunny Highway: David West puts up 11, 6, and 2 and he shoots 45%.


No one thinks David West is a superstar. People think Blake Griffin is one of the best basketball players in the league.
 
2012-04-05 01:49:26 PM
Really? You guys are complaining about this NOW?

Where were you 20-30 years ago when they might have been able to get a grip on things? Now they just blow the whistle when they think they should, when they can't avoid it, or when it will help the bet they have on the game. Basketball is a joke, the officiating more and more resembles figure skating and if the player is a money maker he can take as many steps as he wants to or can foul the shiat out of anybody with no consequences.
 
2012-04-05 01:50:03 PM
Only the first one was an offensive foul.

/The second one was a loose ball foul.
 
2012-04-05 01:56:00 PM

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: David West puts up 11, 6, and 2 and he shoots 45%.

No one thinks David West is a superstar. People think Blake Griffin is one of the best basketball players in the league.


ESPN isnt a person.
 
2012-04-05 01:58:28 PM

Gunny Highway: ESPN isnt a person.


But people get their cues about what is "good" based on ESPN.
 
2012-04-05 02:24:16 PM

Huck Chaser: I'd call Griffin the most overrated player in the NBA, but I'm not sure if anybody thinks he's actually any good in the first place.

/makes some great posters, though


IAmRight: Gunny Highway: David West puts up 11, 6, and 2 and he shoots 45%.

No one thinks David West is a superstar. People think Blake Griffin is one of the best basketball players in the league.


The Lakers radio play by play guy was saying that Griffin will probably end the season with per game numbers that only Barkley, Shaq, and someone else(I forget) ended the season with. Something to do with FG%, ppg, rpg, and maybe another stat or two. That's some pretty good company
 
2012-04-05 03:16:04 PM

Gunny Highway: IAmRight: Gunny Highway: David West puts up 11, 6, and 2 and he shoots 45%.

No one thinks David West is a superstar. People think Blake Griffin is one of the best basketball players in the league.

ESPN isnt a person.


Yes... Espn IS a corporation.


/morally bankrupt corporate law.
 
2012-04-05 03:20:10 PM

bhcompy: The Lakers radio play by play guy was saying that Griffin will probably end the season with per game numbers that only Barkley, Shaq, and someone else(I forget) ended the season with. Something to do with FG%, ppg, rpg, and maybe another stat or two. That's some pretty good company


He doesn't play much defense and he shoots free throws like he's got some sort of neuromuscular disorder, so he's not quite as good of a player as he looks in the box score. He's effectively only a second year player because he missed his whole first season though. He could turn into a pretty dominant player if he works at it.
 
2012-04-05 03:35:37 PM

bhcompy: The Lakers radio play by play guy was saying that Griffin will probably end the season with per game numbers that only Barkley, Shaq, and someone else(I forget) ended the season with. Something to do with FG%, ppg, rpg, and maybe another stat or two. That's some pretty good company


Sure, if you ignore that he's not even the best PF this year in his conference in those numbers.

/oh, wait, you add FG% so you take out the players who actually shoot from somewhere that isn't a dunk
 
2012-04-05 03:48:07 PM

IAmRight: bhcompy: The Lakers radio play by play guy was saying that Griffin will probably end the season with per game numbers that only Barkley, Shaq, and someone else(I forget) ended the season with. Something to do with FG%, ppg, rpg, and maybe another stat or two. That's some pretty good company

Sure, if you ignore that he's not even the best PF this year in his conference in those numbers.

/oh, wait, you add FG% so you take out the players who actually shoot from somewhere that isn't a dunk


He isn't the best offensive PF in the West but where do you rank him?
 
2012-04-05 03:56:39 PM

IAmRight: bhcompy: The Lakers radio play by play guy was saying that Griffin will probably end the season with per game numbers that only Barkley, Shaq, and someone else(I forget) ended the season with. Something to do with FG%, ppg, rpg, and maybe another stat or two. That's some pretty good company

Sure, if you ignore that he's not even the best PF this year in his conference in those numbers.

/oh, wait, you add FG% so you take out the players who actually shoot from somewhere that isn't a dunk


Same goes for Shaq and Barkley, too. And if you watch the games you see that Griffin actually is taking a lot of jump shots, much more than last year. He's also not going at 110% take it to the hole each play, as he seems to realize that he'll burn his body out in only a few seasons at that rate.

you have pee hands: He doesn't play much defense and he shoots free throws like he's got some sort of neuromuscular disorder, so he's not quite as good of a player as he looks in the box score. He's effectively only a second year player because he missed his whole first season though. He could turn into a pretty dominant player if he works at it.


Well, being a bad free throw shooter doesn't mean you can't be great. There are examples of that. As far as not looking as good as his stats, I agree. He's not a great player at this point, but he is a great athlete. Being a great athlete can elevate you above your skills as long as you have it. He's not like Hasheem Thabeet who has great stature, but no skills, no instincts, and isn't a great athlete, either.

Basically, he's not Joakim Noah, who came out as a pure athlete and has damn near no basketball skill at all. He's got fairly good ballhandling skills for a big, he's got fairly good instincts, and he is the best athlete at his size in the league. His deficiencies can be worked on and can be improved over time, but it's not like Shaq wasn't a monster and Hall of Famer because he shot 50% from the free throw line.
 
2012-04-05 03:57:39 PM

IAmRight: /oh, wait, you add FG% so you take out the players who actually shoot from somewhere that isn't a dunk


He's still taking 16 shots a game. If you can get that many dunks and layups, why not? It's not like he's Tyson Chandler with a ridiculous FG% from going 4/6 on putbacks every game.

He's raw as hell and he's kind of a goon but he's still a pretty good player.
 
2012-04-05 04:09:02 PM

you have pee hands: He's still taking 16 shots a game. If you can get that many dunks and layups, why not? It's not like he's Tyson Chandler with a ridiculous FG% from going 4/6 on putbacks every game.


I'm not saying that you shouldn't go for dunks if you can get 'em. I'm saying that FG percentage is an annoying stat to throw in. Then you get guys like Nene or Tyson Chandler seeming like top-tier offensive talents when they're not.

bhcompy: Same goes for Shaq and Barkley, too.


a) Barkley is more impressive in that he was a 6'4" power forward and put up those numbers throughout his career. b) I'm simply pointing out that when you cherry-pick certain stats and then combine them so people have to achieve one minimum in every category, you're creating a stupid subset that in no way means that player X is as good as the others on the list. It can be done with anyone. You've never seen those things where they're like "random benchwarmer Y joins Michael Jordan and Larry Bird as the only person to have ever shot 34 percent on one-legged threes while also scoring more than 15 points in a game on a Tuesday night"

For example, Kevin Love gets more points and more rebounds than Blake Griffin, but shoots at a lower percentage (because he has range), so the crap combo stats act as though Griffin is better. David Lee is pretty close to Griffin in all stats - no one's going to argue that Lee is a superstar.

Gunny Highway: He isn't the best offensive PF in the West but where do you rank him?


He's pretty good - I don't want to just say offensive PF, though, whole game has to be considered. He's in the Top 5, but top 5 out of 16 isn't something where we need to act like he's great every night.

Especially by emphasizing this and ignoring the game between two of the three best teams in the league last night, mostly because the Heat won and it's just no fun for all the whiners when they win.

/oh, and many of the players that are better than Griffin were involved in that one
 
2012-04-05 04:28:17 PM

IAmRight: /oh, and many of the players that are better than Griffin were involved in that one


And none of those are power forwards

As far as Love, yes, he's better now, but he's also 4 years in. At the same point in his career as Griffin is, Love had the rebounds and a better FG%(and always will at that), but less PPG and less FGA. At this point they've both still in their development phases and Griffin just has less time in. In a few years we'll see where they shake out as far as their careers go.
 
2012-04-05 04:56:22 PM

bhcompy: And none of those are power forwards


True...but depending on the team you have, Bosh is actually probably a push with Griffin.

bhcompy: Love had the rebounds and a better FG%(and always will at that),


Griffin has a way better FG%, because Love shoots threes.

I just think FG% is a largely useless stat, especially when you look at the top guys and they are virtually all guys with little to no offensive game who are tall and get a few shots around the basket every game.
 
2012-04-05 08:42:45 PM

Gunny Highway: IAmRight: Gunny Highway: David West puts up 11, 6, and 2 and he shoots 45%.

No one thinks David West is a superstar. People think Blake Griffin is one of the best basketball players in the league.

ESPN isnt a person.


Not to get technical, but there are people named after ESPN.
 
2012-04-05 09:17:25 PM

Huck Chaser: I'd call Griffin the most overrated player in the NBA, but I'm not sure if anybody thinks he's actually any good in the first place.

/makes some great posters, though


Blake Griffin is a gentle soul.

stwot.motortrend.com
 
2012-04-05 09:18:50 PM
 
2012-04-05 10:09:33 PM

IAmRight: I just think FG% is a largely useless stat, especially when you look at the top guys and they are virtually all guys with little to no offensive game who are tall and get a few shots around the basket every game.


It's not useless, it's just sometimes misused. It's good for pointing out unrepentant chuckers like Artest.
 
2012-04-05 10:18:17 PM

IAmRight: bhcompy: And none of those are power forwards

True...but depending on the team you have, Bosh is actually probably a push with Griffin.

bhcompy: Love had the rebounds and a better FG%(and always will at that),

Griffin has a way better FG%, because Love shoots threes.

I just think FG% is a largely useless stat, especially when you look at the top guys and they are virtually all guys with little to no offensive game who are tall and get a few shots around the basket every game.


I meant FT%
 
2012-04-06 02:54:47 AM
Later... (new window)
 
2012-04-06 10:14:52 AM

Harry_Seldon: Andre Miller shoves Blake Griffin into next Tuesday. (new window)


I lol'd and love that he didn't get called for it.

you have pee hands: It's not useless, it's just sometimes misused. It's good for pointing out unrepentant chuckers like Artest.


Yeah, but when you use it as a restricting factor for someone with a high percentage, you're going to eliminate pretty much anyone outside of the PF/C positions, and anyone that shoots threes semi-consistently. When you make those stats where it's only "this guy and multiple legends," it usually uses some weak stat to weed out the hundreds of other players with similar stats in every other category and artificially distinguishes him.
 
2012-04-06 10:50:21 PM

IAmRight: Harry_Seldon: Andre Miller shoves Blake Griffin into next Tuesday. (new window)

I lol'd and love that he didn't get called for it.


He did get suspended for one game after league review. Broke the longest current iron man streak in the NBA.
 
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