Theaetetus: I want a Freedom of Conscience Act that says I don't have to pay for military spending if it's against my beliefs. Where's that one, Republicans?

1. The great majority of defense spending goes to a small number of megacorporations.

2. Those same megacorporations pour a ton of money into the campaign chests of members of Congress of both parties.

3. Don't hold your breath.

Philip Francis Queeg: tgregory: You never leave the boundaries of your own property do you?



Because I believe everyone is free I never leave my own property? Nice logic.

Oh so you do leave your property. That's nice. Do you have any obligation to pay the costs for the facilities you use outside your property, or as a free man should you be able to decide not to pay for those why still taking advantage of them?


Ah... I know where this is headed. The whole "I'm going to mention roads and that'll justify my entire stance!" argument.

Yawn.

Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: It seems sleazy and dishonest, almost GOP like.

So almost like your totally made up explanation for why those people paid no taxes then?

Was my explanation not a reasonable one as to how someone could make $1m without paying federal income taxes? What's your farking problem? What's your alternative explanation for the anomaly that would support you irrepressible rage?

Surely, if the explanation is some sort of unjustified tax preference Obama and others in the administration would make that known.

cbackous: Bigdogdaddy: Think about this. Even convicted mass murders on death row get health care at no cost. Think about it. Why does the GOP love them more than they love the average citizen?

Everything they get is at no cost.. to them.

We have made amazing advancements in modern medicine, but these are all the fruits of someones labor. If I break a bone I can do like they did way back in the day and chug some whiskey and try to set it myself.. or i can go to a hospital and have a professional do it. Everyone should have this option, you just have to pay for it. Whether you want to pay out of pocket, or with insurance, or take out a loan, that is up to you.

Just because you get hurt or sick doesnt mean you automatically have to go to a doctor or a hospital.

Ladies and gentlemen, this sort of thought is why we're the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth!

/Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth is a registered trademark of Michael Medved, on loan to Koch Industries, Inc.

NateGrey: tgregory: NateGrey: tgregory: 0% of your income should be taxed.

This is what Republicans actually believe!

/Vote Republican


Republicans are just as bad. Spending went up under Bush as well, right? Use your head.


Wow, says the idiot that defended Bush and the Republicans for 8 years.



Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

Philip Francis Queeg: So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

Not at all. I'm agreeing with the point that it gets progressively more difficult to "move up" the higher up the income scale you go. I would argue that even at the $100k range, you're no longer talking about how "hard" someone works in the sense of number of hours per day laboring, you're talking about how someone works in a more general sense, i.e., the impact that their decisions and ideas make. In other words, if you're working for a living, it is next to impossible to become a millionaire unless you have good ideas and can channel them into a wide-ranging impact that provides a larger return than what you cost. The same idea holds whether you're an inventor or an engineer or a manager. You can't force that kind of creativity and ability, no matter how "hard" you work. You either got it, or you don't. It's kind of like the difference between Rudy and an NFL player.

tgregory: Philip Francis Queeg: tgregory: You never leave the boundaries of your own property do you?



Because I believe everyone is free I never leave my own property? Nice logic.

Oh so you do leave your property. That's nice. Do you have any obligation to pay the costs for the facilities you use outside your property, or as a free man should you be able to decide not to pay for those why still taking advantage of them?


Ah... I know where this is headed. The whole "I'm going to mention roads and that'll justify my entire stance!" argument.

Yawn.

We're going to tax the shiat out of you for any product you buy from our society since we paid for the means of production, protection and distribution while you sat in your freedom house. No free rides, am I rite?

Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

tgregory: Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

And eventually you'll come to the conclusion that progressive taxation and social services for the poor create a strong society and nation.

Mrtraveler01: WhoIsPurpleGoo: whether it's NOLs from prior years, business credits, etc. i have no problem with some rich fark paying nothing in income taxes as long as they're not breaking any laws.

But at the same times, the folks who are ok with this are biatching about the poor "not paying their fair share" even though they aren't breaking any tax laws either.

The cognitive dissonance of the right here in America astounds me.

Cognitive dissonance requires cognition, conservatism is built around regurgitation, defecation, and masturbation.

tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

No, but they are certainly smarter than you.

Fair_Poopsmith: I'm a pretty libby lib, and I agree with the sentiment that makes people say things like this... but...

Stop lying.

tgregory: NateGrey: tgregory: NateGrey: tgregory: 0% of your income should be taxed.

This is what Republicans actually believe!

/Vote Republican


Republicans are just as bad. Spending went up under Bush as well, right? Use your head.


Wow, says the idiot that defended Bush and the Republicans for 8 years.



Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

Neat. You should try it.

Rootus: Philip Francis Queeg: It never fails to maze me that people actually believe that you can simply choose not to be poor.


Why haven't you chosen to be a billionaire?

Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

Don't waste your time. These guys believe that everyone is intentionally and unfairly held down by society and the rich, no matter how hard you strive, and it's just as difficult to find a steady job that supports yourself and your dependents as it is to become a multi-millionaire. So no need to try to better yourself in life. Just sit on your ass, watch TV, and complain about how badly you've been screwed over.

CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

No, but they are certainly smarter than you.

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

that's pretty awesome. The edit boxes aren't large enough for my tax bill though

/off to the gym

tenpoundsofcheese: CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

No, but they are certainly smarter than you.

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

You think I'm an alt? I used to argue with you morons but I've gotten to the point where I'm just too pissed at all the derp that is allowed to go on here. Your posts are farking moronic. No citation or reasoned response is required. Everyone should just be pointing and laughing.

Debeo Summa Credo
Rootus: Philip Francis Queeg: It never fails to maze me that people actually believe that you can simply choose not to be poor.


Why haven't you chosen to be a billionaire?

Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

Don't waste your time. These guys believe that everyone is intentionally and unfairly held down by society and the rich, no matter how hard you strive, and it's just as difficult to find a steady job that supports yourself and your dependents as it is to become a multi-millionaire. So no need to try to better yourself in life. Just sit on your ass, watch TV, and complain about how badly you've been screwed over.

I thought the middle class started some where in the $30k range. I think most people can boot strap themselves up into the $30k range at some point in their life if they try.

Debeo Summa Credo: Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: It seems sleazy and dishonest, almost GOP like.

So almost like your totally made up explanation for why those people paid no taxes then?

Was my explanation not a reasonable one as to how someone could make $1m without paying federal income taxes? What's your farking problem? What's your alternative explanation for the anomaly that would support you irrepressible rage?

Surely, if the explanation is some sort of unjustified tax preference Obama and others in the administration would make that known.

Oh of course it's completely reasonable to assume that thousands of people have made millions having 100% of their income from one class of very low yield investment. No need to be concerned with facts, that's really the only logical conclusion that anyone could come to. It's just as natural as assuming that all poor people are lazy cheats with 17 kids who drive their Cadillac to the store to buy plasma TVs with their food stamps.

tenpoundsofcheese: CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

No, but they are certainly smarter than you.

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

WTF are you talking about?

Headso: tgregory: Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

And eventually you'll come to the conclusion that progressive taxation and social services for the poor create a strong society and nation.


Voluntarily, yes. If you want to volunteer your money to help others...THAT is freedom. Socialism and tyranny are old world, barbaric, and for the simple minded. I believe we're smarter than that and I believe we are free.

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain." - Frédéric Bastiat

Philip Francis Queeg: tenpoundsofcheese: CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

No, but they are certainly smarter than you.

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

WTF are you talking about?

He thinks you went back in time to 3 years before you made your account to make your alt account apparently.

MyRandomName: farkityfarker: 29.4% of our budget goes towards "defense". And this is with a Democrat as president. It will only go up if Mitt is elected.

Half of that 29% is salary and support. Why do you want soldiers to not get paid and not have a place to live? Only 14% of that is for the corrupt and fraudulent research and development.

And yet some of that 29% pay 0% federal income tax on their salary. Farking freeloaders.

derpdeederp: Debeo Summa Credo
Rootus: Philip Francis Queeg: It never fails to maze me that people actually believe that you can simply choose not to be poor.


Why haven't you chosen to be a billionaire?

Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

Don't waste your time. These guys believe that everyone is intentionally and unfairly held down by society and the rich, no matter how hard you strive, and it's just as difficult to find a steady job that supports yourself and your dependents as it is to become a multi-millionaire. So no need to try to better yourself in life. Just sit on your ass, watch TV, and complain about how badly you've been screwed over.

I thought the middle class started some where in the $30k range. I think most people can boot strap themselves up into the $30k range at some point in their life if they try.

the age old question. Is middle class an income range or a lifestyle? Plus, $30k may be middle class in some places and be working poor in others

tgregory: Headso: tgregory: Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

And eventually you'll come to the conclusion that progressive taxation and social services for the poor create a strong society and nation.


Voluntarily, yes. If you want to volunteer your money to help others...THAT is freedom. Socialism and tyranny are old world, barbaric, and for the simple minded. I believe we're smarter than that and I believe we are free.

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain." - Frédéric Bastiat

I really wish people who thought like this would leave and form their own island so we could watch what happens.

There's a reason that Ayers and Obama are best friends and Ayers wrote his book for him (and got him into Harvard).

Snakes den up together.

BigBooper: Many people make bad decisions with their money.

...stop right there. What do you consider a "bad decision"? If it's "not spending it how I think it should be spent", then stop talking.

tgregory: Headso: tgregory: Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

And eventually you'll come to the conclusion that progressive taxation and social services for the poor create a strong society and nation.


Voluntarily, yes. If you want to volunteer your money to help others...THAT is freedom. Socialism and tyranny are old world, barbaric, and for the simple minded. I believe we're smarter than that and I believe we are free.

It's not really "freedom" if the system you propose crashes the economy and creates a world filled with victimization and crime.

CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Shaggy_C: Rootus: Nice false dichotomy there. Tugging on ye olde bootstraps hard enough to take yourself from $25K to $100K is just a tiny bit more realistic than yanking them hard enough to go from $100K to $1,000,000K. There isn't a lot of magic in getting into the middle class, most folks could accomplish it with some motivation. To become a billionaire requires a big helping of luck along with the motivation.

100k is right around the top 10% of earners. It only makes sense that it's progressively harder to move up when there's not that many people ahead of you. That's the nature of the bell curve.

So 90% of the people are just too darned lazy to make the simple choice to tug on their bootstraps enough to make that level of income.

let me guess, you think that 90% of the people have above average intelligence, right?

No, but they are certainly smarter than you.

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

You think I'm an alt?

It is not what I think Queeg, it is what you demonstrated.
.

Everyone should just be pointing and laughing.

Laughing? See you are just upset that I didn't like your Mrs Poopypants humor


It is okay Queeg, I don't care if you have an alt. At least now I know.

MBK: DID YOU KNOW?
1,470 people who made more than $1 million in 2009 paid $0 in federal income taxes.

I want someone to come in and defend this.

Please, defend this statement.

Every single one of them paid more federal taxes than you did.

Any questions?

CPennypacker: tgregory: Headso: tgregory: Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

And eventually you'll come to the conclusion that progressive taxation and social services for the poor create a strong society and nation.


Voluntarily, yes. If you want to volunteer your money to help others...THAT is freedom. Socialism and tyranny are old world, barbaric, and for the simple minded. I believe we're smarter than that and I believe we are free.

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain." - Frédéric Bastiat

I really wish people who thought like this would leave and form their own island so we could watch what happens.

No kidding. Set up a live stream, make it an a la carte cable channel, and direct the proceeds to education.

CPennypacker:

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

WTF are you talking about?

He thinks you went back in time to 3 years before you made your account to make your alt account apparently.

what? you don't have to make your alt accounts at the same time. Keep trying. Nice try at a deflection though.

tenpoundsofcheese: MBK: DID YOU KNOW?
1,470 people who made more than $1 million in 2009 paid $0 in federal income taxes.

I want someone to come in and defend this.

Please, defend this statement.

Okay, that is easy.

They followed the law.

Raising taxes on the rich will not change that. They obviously had deductions and credits, it isn't a tax rate thing.

F-ark you RICH boy lover!!!! Get raped by big oil!

Was that the proper fark response to the obvious and correct answer?

theorellior: what_now: You know on your MA state taxes they ask you if you want to pay a higher rate? You have to pay 5.3% but you can choose to pay 5.85%?
If I could choose where it went, I'd be happy to pay the extra chunk. I've asked a few state reps to look into it, but they won't.
I'd throw in an extra $200 if it went to the public libraries.
It seems like a no brainer-

Fark yes I would. I'd throw some money at libraries and at the T.

Maybe I'll bug some state reps about this too.

Why not just give money directly to the libraries? I'm guessing that your city has some sort of library fund that you could donate to. Then 100% of your money is going to the library rather than being shunted through the state's general fund.

There's also a chance that in lieu of cash, they always have volunteer opportunities open for people.

Every state is different, but a lot of times there are laws that say that revenue has to go into the general fund, so lawmakers can't allocate money directly from tax receipts. But if there's a program you really think is valuable, you may be able to make a direct donation to that program.

hasty ambush: Is that your biggest concern in life instead of the millions of others we are carrying the load for?

A fisherman was concerned about worthless fish getting into his fishing net. So he cut holes in his nets to let those fish through.

Soon enough, he had no worthless fish getting into his fishing net.

He died of starvation a week later.

Bigdogdaddy: However, although I feel our defense budget needs to be less, there are a lot of technologies brought forth by defense spending that spill over into the civilian world as well as surgeries that are tried in the battlefield out of necessity. It would probably do more good if at least part of that went toward post secondary education other than college. Perhaps we could have a lot better vocational schools if some of this money was sent there.

Not really, and I say that as someone whose relative was saved by an operation at a navy hospital, and who gets DOD funding for R&D, and half of whose male family members have served.

The military does OK with R&D, not knocking it, but it's best at 'pie in the sky', which is very expensive and poorly translates to civilian applications. For example, there was decades of work on cool tank armor. None of it has been used to make safer cars and trucks, because what works best in a car crash is for the outer parts of the vehicle to fold and disintegrate, while the people are protected in a steel cage with airbags. Cars need to be cheap, lawsuits are expensive, tanks need to go on fighting when hit by large shells and not overheat when firebombs.

Agreed with your take on vocational schools. We need to get rid of the stigma and stop selling everyone on 4-year universities as the ultimate. Too many 22 year olds who learned all about Chaucer and Boccacio and know jack shiat about how to actually do anything. If they did a year of plumbing or electrical or auto mech work, even if they didn't get a job right away they would at least never have to pay $70 an hour to get plumbing (or wiring or their car) fixed. There was an article here a while ago that trucking schools would PAY people to come learn how to drive then hire them. How crazy is that in this market?

tenpoundsofcheese: CPennypacker:

ALT ALERT.
Did you forget to switch tabs again?

common Queeg, at least this personal attack is better than your low-end Mrs. Poopypants humor from yesterday.

WTF are you talking about?

He thinks you went back in time to 3 years before you made your account to make your alt account apparently.

what? you don't have to make your alt accounts at the same time. Keep trying. Nice try at a deflection though.

I don't know why it took me this long to ignore you. You're just too farking stupid.

apoptotic:

No kidding. Set up a live stream, make it an a la carte cable channel, and direct the proceeds to education.

Here's a sneak preview

apoptotic: No kidding. Set up a live stream, make it an a la carte cable channel, and direct the proceeds to education.

That would be great because the proceeds would make the first bunch that move there well off and then a bunch of other people would think it was a great idea and they would move there too and that is when the real fun watchin would occur.

IlGreven: hasty ambush: Is that your biggest concern in life instead of the millions of others we are carrying the load for?

A fisherman was concerned about worthless fish getting into his fishing net. So he cut holes in his nets to let those fish through.

Soon enough, he had no worthless fish getting into his fishing net.

He died of starvation a week later.

so you're saying we should catch poor people with a very fine net and eat them?

Yeah, my comment was in the wrong thread... or 'was' it?

Headso: tgregory: Headso: tgregory: Very true. I didn't follow politics until 2001 and I was a supporter of Bush AND I was a Christian. Now I'm neither.

Some people learn as they go through life.

And eventually you'll come to the conclusion that progressive taxation and social services for the poor create a strong society and nation.


Voluntarily, yes. If you want to volunteer your money to help others...THAT is freedom. Socialism and tyranny are old world, barbaric, and for the simple minded. I believe we're smarter than that and I believe we are free.

It's not really "freedom" if the system you propose crashes the economy and creates a world filled with victimization and crime.



1. No system is going to be perfect because we are imperfect.
2. We've not had a free economy in almost 100 years and it's gotten worse. Government spending goes up, but the problems climb. I doubt the problem is free people as much as the ones carrying the big stick.

tenpoundsofcheese: MBK: DID YOU KNOW?
1,470 people who made more than $1 million in 2009 paid $0 in federal income taxes.

I want someone to come in and defend this.

Please, defend this statement.

Okay, that is easy.

They followed the law.

Raising taxes on the rich will not change that. They obviously had deductions and credits, it isn't a tax rate thing.



So I guess from that statistic we can conclude that there are at least 1,470 liberals making over $1,000,000 annually.

/Eat the rich (new window)

Headso: apoptotic: No kidding. Set up a live stream, make it an a la carte cable channel, and direct the proceeds to education.

That would be great because the proceeds would make the first bunch that move there well off and then a bunch of other people would think it was a great idea and they would move there too and that is when the real fun watchin would occur.

I meant education for those in the society they left behind, but your way would be interesting too.