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MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-04 11:42:34 PM
23 votes:

DamnYankees: Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.


We are giving them first access to board a plane.

We aren't allowing them to fark our virgin wives on our wedding night.

Jesus Christ, pick and choose your fights. When you pick THIS fight, you sound like whiny liberal douchebags who give other liberal douchebags (like myself) a bad name.
2012-04-04 11:27:13 PM
23 votes:
Traveling around all the time, living in airport USO lounges between flights because they can't really afford a motel, or there really isn't enough time to justify a motel, but ALMOST. After the 5th tour of duty in combat with all the goddamn connecting flights and they just want to get on the plane and see their families, I think us smug shiats can board second.
2012-04-04 11:32:25 PM
16 votes:

MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?


Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.
2012-04-04 11:50:23 PM
15 votes:
It's called respect.

This is one little perk we can do for them that kinda says, "thanks for all that you do". For most troops, 90% of their tour of duty they will be in pretty shiaty conditions, the airport is the one place where maybe we can make them feel a little special...because they are.

It doesn't really cause anyone any inconvenience.

/Old Soldier
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-04 11:54:29 PM
14 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.


So are teachers. Listen, teaching is a great profession. I have many friends who are teachers. I work in a school. I know teachers.

But...this whole idea that they are amazing individuals who teach every kid to read and write is bullshiat. Think back to your youth. Was every one of your teachers a "hero"? Was everyone of them burning the midnight oil to grade your papers or make a lesson plan? No, you had your fair share of shiatty teachers.

And no one forced them into teaching. They picked that major in college. They decided to stick with it. And then they decided to get a job teaching. This isn't The Giver, you aren't assigned jobs once you reach a certain age.

The perks of the military person gets does NOT outweigh the risks they take. We are seeing it every day with PTST and other issues like that. WE aren't giving them the healthcare they deserve or should get. We shouldn't worship them, but then again, we shouldn't give them the cold shoulder. SO they get first boarding priorities. And they get free meals on certain days of the year. Is that really a bad thing?

I really don't give a rat's ass about the special treatment they get from airports or restaurants. I care more about the treatment they get from the government. Or rather, the lack of care.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-04 11:37:36 PM
14 votes:

GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.
2012-04-04 10:37:24 PM
10 votes:
That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.
2012-04-05 12:27:08 AM
9 votes:
I didn't sit things out, I actually served after high school.

After withstanding the grueling hours, the longing for home, the longing for friends and family. The long nights at sea on a flight deck with goggles that made it hard to see and a cranial that made it hard to hear and have situational awareness, this while aircraft turned and threatened to suck me into the intakes or spit me off the ship in their exhaust. After six month deployments where I had constant 12 hour shifts with no days off and very few days of liberty in port. After meeting people that would bend over backwards to help me out or run into a conflagration to pull me out. All of this knowing that death could be at every turn in quick order.

I will give uniformed military a chance to get on board a plane first.
2012-04-05 03:08:27 AM
8 votes:

kronicfeld: Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.


I HATE BUSH.
I HATE the stupid wars we have fought.
I HATE the GOP and the jingoistic fascists that they have become.

BUT I totally have no problem with military boarding first. FFS.
Some of them will die for MY country.
I have infinite respect for that.
Some of my best friends, a recent ex-gf, all serve in one branch or another.
These are the best. (and yes, some military are the worst of the worst, but we are not talking about them)

The people on the far left are just as farking stupid as the people on the far right.
sigh
2012-04-05 12:01:32 AM
8 votes:
For Christ's sake, we live in a world of instant gratification where we haven't been asked to sacrifice a SINGLE F*CKING ounce of our precious time or money to fight multiple wars in hellholes on the other side of the planet, and now we have people biatching and pissing and moaning because of one of the few, TINY-ass perks offered to people serving their country, and fighting the wars that we, as a society, asked them to fight.

Is this really the kind of thing that keeps you awake at night?

/turboliberal.
//opposed both wars.
2012-04-04 11:12:48 PM
8 votes:

GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?


Useless pandering symbolism?
2012-04-05 04:23:44 AM
7 votes:
Ayers has a point. Strange thing is that I (a veteran) was arguing this with my sister (a teacher) when she forwarded a facebook post about how we all need to thank soldiers for our freedom. The last soldiers to do anything for American freedom fought in WWII which was the last time that we were attacked by a foreign nation. Yeah I know. 9/11!!! But the wars that we've fought as a response to 9/11 have not been against the men who perpetrated that attack. Any teacher who is doing a good job teaching our kids to grow up and be effective citizens is doing more to perpetuate the freedom that we enjoy than any soldier currently fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We do live in a militarized society where the military is deified and sacrificed at the same time. Since the 50s we've maintained a huge standing army and it has changed us as a country. Now we've been at war for over 10 years and it has changed our soldiers. The only ones being served by these changes are war profiteers and fascists. Our soldiers and our civilians suffer.

You want to do a soldier a favor? Don't put a flag sticker on your car. Don't get pissed every time some appropriations bill gets held up. Write your congressman demanding that they come home immediately. Make our government start spending 1/10th of what they spend on tanks and missiles on education and healthcare.
2012-04-05 01:08:30 AM
7 votes:
The "Ryan Budget" would cut billions from spending on veterans (gotta fund those tax cuts for millionaires!), but let's focus on some fringe extremists' ideas on who should board airplanes when.

They are right about one thing: America is on the decline.
2012-04-04 11:40:40 PM
7 votes:

MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.


So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.
2012-04-04 11:03:13 PM
7 votes:
Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.
2012-04-05 01:48:45 AM
6 votes:
Complaining about letting soldiers board first is idiotic but not as much as claiming to support them while putting them in harm's way for unjust purposes, paying them crap and cutting benefits every chance you get.
2012-04-04 11:16:44 PM
6 votes:

MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?


He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?
2012-04-05 06:35:27 AM
5 votes:
This has been a great thread for updating my ignore list. Thanks Subby!
2012-04-05 03:36:50 AM
5 votes:
Because someday China will get all hot and bothered over something, or North Korea will finally lose the last shred of sanity, or Russia will finally get tired of being "the country that used to be strong," or someone completely off the radar right now will attack the United States, and that guy in that uniform is the guy who will put himself in between you and the people that want to hurt you, even while you're asking stupid questions like that.

That's why
2012-04-05 12:28:48 AM
5 votes:
You don't like it? Take it up with the airlines.

Also, I was around in the post-Vietnam 70's and the 1980's where Stripes was considered good press for the military. I'm okay with them being given some respect.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-04 11:13:46 PM
5 votes:

GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?


Because they deserve it?
2012-04-04 10:56:46 PM
5 votes:
P.O.S.
2012-04-04 10:47:21 PM
5 votes:
Once a douche, always a douche.
2012-04-05 06:59:32 AM
4 votes:

Spaced Lion: electronicmaji: 1. Not a troll.

0/10. You might as well hold a big sign over your head that reads, "YES I AM A TROLL."

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.

[Citation needed]


In the 1930s my country of second nationality banana farmers formed a union demanding higher wages from the United Fruit Company. The United States threatened to invade our country unless we put them down, and our army marched on them and shot 600 or so farmers.

20 years later the CIA had one of the leading liberal candidates for president, who rose to popularity because of his investigation of the matter, killed.

It plunged the nation into a 10 year war of infighting between the liberal elite and the conservative elite, followed by another 50 years of unending violence and drug trafficking that can all be tied back to the United States meddling in our affairs in order to protect her "interests" without giving a single fark what happens to the citizens of our country.
2012-04-05 03:56:54 AM
4 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: L33t Squirrel: Oznog: Also, I refute your assessment that the United States is "veralent". That's... not even a real word, BTW.

Maybe he meant "relevant" but had too much "vodak." It might also explain the entirety of his nigh-incoherent ranting.

I thought it was a strange misspelling of "violent".


I'm pretty sure he meant "virulent". Actually, since these were his spoken words, the error is probably on the fault of the transcriber. You go to Alabama, Texas, Minnesota, etc, you'll find words all over which should be spelled differently if written as-spoken, but you "know what they meant".

If you are uncertain which word was spoken, you shouldn't just make up a NEW word which doesn't exist to fit what it most sounded like. If you believe they definitely spoke a word in error, you can [sic] it as annotation if you really want to convey the way it was spoken without being accused of mistranscribing it yourself.
2012-04-05 03:42:17 AM
4 votes:

pickle65: Because someday China will get all hot and bothered over something, or North Korea will finally lose the last shred of sanity, or Russia will finally get tired of being "the country that used to be strong," or someone completely off the radar right now will attack the United States, and that guy in that uniform is the guy who will put himself in between you and the people that want to hurt you, even while you're asking stupid questions like that.

That's why


Cus only people in uniform can be heroic.
2012-04-05 01:47:34 AM
4 votes:
I think they should be allowed to board first. In fact, I think they should also be allowed to stay in our homes in peacetime and we should have to feed them.
2012-04-05 12:51:42 AM
4 votes:
I flew home for Christmas. A uniformed soldier sat next to me at the gate. I shook his hand and thanked him for his service.

We got to talking.

Out of nowhere, a group of high school kids gave him a Christmas card. Then, reps from the airline upgraded him to first class.

He was flabbergasted! He didn't expect it. He just wanted to go home.

I'll never forget it ...
2012-04-04 11:53:23 PM
4 votes:
What a C*NT
2012-04-04 11:44:46 PM
4 votes:

MBK: We are giving them first access to board a plane.


It's an example of a larger argument. It's not the argument itself.
2012-04-05 07:26:17 AM
3 votes:
If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.
2012-04-05 06:50:13 AM
3 votes:

DrippinBalls: Why aren't these two in jail?


dlb8685.files.wordpress.com
I don't know. Why aren't these two in jail?
2012-04-05 06:03:41 AM
3 votes:
Ayers is right, the military only exists in America to kill innocent civilians in foreign countries. We are no at war. These are not heroes. They are not fighting for our freedom.

There whores, people who sell their bodies as weapons of death and destruction.

And the worst part about it is so man of them don't even realize it.
2012-04-05 05:49:24 AM
3 votes:
Remember how in WWII movies the SS would be the guys lording it over the civilians. They walk into a French cafe, and the locals have to bow their heads and clear the way and give up their seats to the Germans.?

Remember that?
2012-04-05 04:39:47 AM
3 votes:
TFA is trolling.
The boarding first thing was just an example of America's militarism.
The USA makes 40% of the world's military spending, and has more aircraft-carrier as the whole rest of the world together - and still the worst health-care of any first-world country. That is hard fact, and I'm pretty sure Bill Ayers mentioned something like that, but you just can't argue again this. So the author looked for a weak spot.

I don't respect military more than other people, because since WW2 there wasn't any "just" war.
If you join the military, you know you're going to be send to kill innocent people to protect the interest of big business and american hegemony.
Yet a lot who join are young, poor and/or uneducated, because the money go to the military rather than to education, so I can't really blame them.
2012-04-05 04:30:42 AM
3 votes:
Respect is free, I would let them board before me for the same reason I hold the door for women and the elderly. Respect. It has nothing to do with equality. Or living in a militarized nation.
2012-04-05 04:26:54 AM
3 votes:
If choosing to do a difficult, life-threatening job in unfavorable conditions is the requirement, then I guess fisherman, loggers, ranchers, and the like should board first too. And why not teachers, especially those from bad neighborhoods who risk getting shot or getting MS. Nah not them, most of them got into it for the paycheck and the prestige, not to mention 3 months off every year!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention cops! I have no doubt that everyone in this thread championing "the troops" will also extend that same fawning adoration to our beloved beat walkers. Unless...oh damn this is fark. Wearing blue and bullying people = power abusing pig. Wearing green and bullying people = heroes doing a hard job fer mah freedumz so cut them some slack.

Ayers might need to work on his delivery but he has a point: the military is fetishized in the U.S.. High school dropouts and felons who turned to the army as a last resort do not automatically become Captain America by putting on camo and going through basic. At best, they're choosing to perpetuate pointless, criminally expensive conflicts. At worst, they're looking forward to "bagging some (insert 'rag'- or 'sand'- based epithet here)".

The only soldiers who deserve to board first are the ones who would be embarrassed to take advantage of such a privilege.

And again, to those running on a lean mixture, waiting 30 seconds to board a plane isn't the problem; it's a symptom of it.
2012-04-05 04:15:38 AM
3 votes:

Standard Deviant: I have always wondered why it is a liberal thing to shiat on the military.


Suggesting that teachers and nurses are worthy of the same respect as soldiers is "shiatting on the military?"
2012-04-05 04:14:43 AM
3 votes:
Hang out with wounded vets. It will change you for the better. Many of these kids are 'aw shucks' and humble. They chose military as a career for a myriad of reasons. I have zero problem with decreased military presence on foreign soil. I hate war. The young people in our military are the kids next door. I am proud of their service. I was invited by an old high school friend to go to a protestant church service honoring 'Wounded Warriors'. They were the nicest bunch of kids (and their families) I could ever hope to meet. Every race and background. When they told their stories it got dusty.

I know military areas generally vote GOP, partly because of GOP's history of increased military spending. However, Democrats are just as likely to worry about funding Veteran's benefits. There are between 700 and 1,000 US military bases around the globe. Hard to get 'accurate' figures because what exactly constitutes a 'base'. I would not mind seeing that number GREATLY reduced. I've got a few friends overseas and three nephews in military. I'm a progressive liberal, but the young people in the military are welcome to board a plane before me. I understand the point Ayers was trying to make, but this just came across as petty whining.
2012-04-05 03:45:42 AM
3 votes:
Er. It's not something I think about, but, ah... sure, why not ask the question, if it's part of a larger question/point about "Is America turning towards militarism as a symptom of decline."
2012-04-05 01:04:07 AM
3 votes:

Beerguy: It's called respect.

This is one little perk we can do for them that kinda says, "thanks for all that you do". For most troops, 90% of their tour of duty they will be in pretty shiaty conditions, the airport is the one place where maybe we can make them feel a little special...because they are.

It doesn't really cause anyone any inconvenience.

/Old Soldier


The USO lounge could do with more booze and tits

/Old Squid
2012-04-05 12:04:01 AM
3 votes:

Beerguy: It's called respect.... we can make them feel a little special...because they are.


I can't decide on:

1) I think most people know why they go on first, they're more questioning why they are special at all. There is nothing particularly honourable about military service in this day and age, no more than any other uniformed work anyways.

or,

2) *yawn*

I think for brevity's sake i'll just go with option 2.
2012-04-04 11:47:52 PM
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.

So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.


I guess boarding the plane first is one of their few perks.

It's not like teachers were forced in front of a chalk board.
2012-04-05 03:18:35 PM
2 votes:
He made all good points, and the fact that anything he said would be controversial is evidence of the amount of influence the upper class has on the mindset of the retarded dopes playing the game stacked against them, honestly believing that game, convinced they're not in a prison because there's the slimmest chance they might be prison warden one day.
2012-04-05 12:34:32 PM
2 votes:
JusticeandIndependence
You have no idea what you are speaking about.

Looks like a nerve has been hit...

Tell yourself what you like. But the fact is that you have protected no one from anything. Your entire life has been a waste- in reality you have promoted the very causes you told yourself you were fighting against. These people did more for freedom than 200 years of militarism.
2012-04-05 11:37:26 AM
2 votes:
www.multimaniak.pl
"No, no...it's alright guys, just stay there and finish your lunch. I got this one."
www.calebwilde.com
"You see, Mr Ayers, it's because of who we are, want what we have done, and all the sacrifices we have made that allow you the very freedom to question why we should be appreciated. Do you think a soldier would put up with that shiat in China or North Korea? No. He'd kindly smack you in the face with his rifle, rape your daughter, and shoot your donkey, and then ask that you treat him with more respect in the future. I am glad you can voice your opinion that you don't think we deserve the slightest shred of special treatment or respect, because it shows that everything we have worked for, everything we have fought for, all your freedoms of expression are still there for you."
www.wearysloth.com
"And quite frankly, we do like to know that all our hard work is appreciated. Even it is just something of such little significance as being allowed a couple of extra minutes to get on the plane and stow our gear, and get comfortable before the two lard-asses who will be sitting on either side of me, plop down, and both take up 1/4 of my seat each. The airlines arn't giving us blowjobs and poached salmon eggs, they are just letting us be among the first to board, which actualy doesn't add any time or inconvience on your part at all. So we kinda wonder why you feel the need to make a big deal out of it."
24.media.tumblr.com
"Well, I have a flight to catch. I am heading back to a combat zone for my 4th deployement in 5 years, because someone has to do it, and it certianly isn't going to be you. And just maybe, in the future, if you could refrain from being such a farking douchbag, I'd appreciate it. Or maybe you'd rather I just bend you over and show you why they call me "Dick".
2012-04-05 09:30:57 AM
2 votes:

demonocracy21: I really just don't understand how people can feel much different. If you despise war and violence, elect officials that won't send troops into war zones. Even then, you can treat people that sacrifice so much with some respect.


Respect never means blind devotion, thoughtless fetishization and unquestioned deference. Pointing out the truth doesn't stop being the right thing to do just because the target is wearing a uniform.

Besides, I'm of the opinion that one of the most respectful things we can do is start to recognize the fact that for the better part of a century now the military and the people in it have been cynically abused as the private playthings of politicians and powerful business interests. The fact is that most of what the military has done in the past half century has been to the benefit of private corporate interests and political ideologues in exchange for thousands of dead soldiers and numerous new enemies.

Furthermore, those same politicians that you want us to kick out wrap themselves up in militaristic horseshiat as a means of getting elected in the first place. If the military is nigh untouchable and we can't say bad things about it even if they're true, then they'll just keep hiding behind it as part of their cynical campaigns.

Questioning something like the military is not inherently disrespectful and asking questions like this is not inherently disrespectful. There are serious and systemic problems with our military and the way it conducts itself, and, most importantly, in the way it's used by powerful interests in this country. It is nothing but entirely proper to question those things in an attempt to bring about change.
2012-04-05 08:32:35 AM
2 votes:
I have an answer that will satisfy Mr Ayers:

They get on the plane first because it is convenient for the State.

Military personnel can only travel in uniform when they are on orders. If they are traveling for their own pleasure, they cannot wear their uniform. Failure to follow orders can result in judicial penalties.

When on orders, by regulation, if the aircraft is full and the airline asks for volunteers to give up their seat, military personnel are prohibited from volunteering. Failure to follow regulations can result in judicial penalties.

Airlines that carry military personnel are usually on contract with the government to provide those flights at a pre-negotiated rate. One of those little clauses in the contract is probably a requirement that the airline avoid bumping military personnel traveling on orders off of their flights. Failure to follow the smallest clause in a government contract can result in financial penalties, increased government regulatory scrutiny or disqualification from future contracts.

The fact that the airlines have chosen to put a plastic smile on the problem and couch the announcement as a "We appreciate our military" measure is simply good PR. It makes patriotic Americans feel good that someone is showing respect to the military personnel they themselves respect, and that's good for business. It makes non-American persons with citizenship documents stamped "United States of America" froth at the mouth and bluster, which is convenient for identifying douchebags.
2012-04-05 08:05:13 AM
2 votes:
We are one of very few countries that does not require enlistment.
And that's because people are willing to sign their lives on a dotted line and take an oath to serve the country, and whatever jackass you folks vote into office.
They could send 'em off to war
or they can get killed on a 'peacekeeping' mission.
either way it could be years before they see their families again.

as for teachers, a formerly noble profession..
fetishizing a union who's product is one of the worst of the civilized countries
and getting worse every year
and ignoring the sacrifices made by others
seems like maximum trolling
2012-04-05 07:53:39 AM
2 votes:

Gwyrddu: Precision Boobery: Ayers might need to work on his delivery but he has a point: the military is fetishized in the U.S.. High school dropouts and felons who turned to the army as a last resort do not automatically become Captain America by putting on camo and going through basic. At best, they're choosing to perpetuate pointless, criminally expensive conflicts. At worst, they're looking forward to "bagging some (insert 'rag'- or 'sand'- based epithet here)".

With very rare exceptions, High School dropouts and felons aren't allowed in the military.


ORLY?

Since the military is a necessary institution which every country possesses, you can' exactly blame soldiers for pointless conflicts. Blame politicians and the American people if you want to blame anyone for those conflicts. In fact, I'm sure part of the reason why soldiers get such small perks as being first in airports is because people feel guilty for sending soldiers off to fight and sometimes die in pointless criminally expensive conflicts.

Kinda hard to fight a pointless conflict if no one shows up for it. Maybe if Americans felt about teachers the way we're instructed to feel about soldiers, some of these kids wouldn't have to choose between poverty and military service. Or even if they did, they'd have the critical thinking abilities to recognize and opt out of the bullshiat the military is being used for.
2012-04-05 07:48:26 AM
2 votes:

Hill_Lord: If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.


If you're buried under rubble in a third world country after a bombing, thank America.
2012-04-05 07:44:05 AM
2 votes:
It's amusing the frothing, rabid hatred Ayers gets for daring to state his opinion that soldiers are people, not gods.

My grandfather was an officer in the USCG, and I have respect for people with the desire to serve their country. But blind worship of the military DOES lead to some very nasty places. And merely enlisting does NOT make you a hero; your actions once enlisted do.
2012-04-05 07:39:51 AM
2 votes:

Beerguy: It's called respect.

This is one little perk we can do for them that kinda says, "thanks for all that you do". For most troops, 90% of their tour of duty they will be in pretty shiaty conditions, the airport is the one place where maybe we can make them feel a little special...because they are.

It doesn't really cause anyone any inconvenience.

/Old Soldier


I personally don't care that uniformed soldiers board first. It's a very small thing. But the reason it was done was not respect so much as:

Support the Troops!
Remember the Heroes!
Keep America Safe!
Lapel Flag Pin!
Weapons of Mass Destruction!
Freedom Isn't Free!
Islam Is Terror!
Security Trumps So-Called "Rights"!
Saddam Bad Man!
America Better!
Country First!
Bomb Iran Now!

And on and on and on. If you question something like this, then you're a whiny liberal douchebag. Sending the troops into a war on a false pretext? That's OK. Sending them without proper body armor? You fight wars with the military you have, not the military you want. Pictures of coffins? Banned. Thousands of deaths? Stuff happens.

And on and on and on.

But questioning the now-habitual practice of letting soldiers board first? You must be Bill Ayers, well-known America-hating bomber.

BILL AYERS. REV. WRIGHT. ENEMIES. SUPPORT THE TROOPS.

It's like 2005 all over again.
2012-04-05 05:53:47 AM
2 votes:
Because it's one of a number of nearly insignificant gestures that makes the rest of us feel better about ourselves for not having to give a shiat about the wars or soldiers on a daily basis.
2012-04-05 05:36:40 AM
2 votes:
a Blaze article on Yahoo? the comments would probably make my computer melt. or cry.

I don't give a shiat about this. it's something the airlines do, not a requirement. I guess they're trying to be nice, but since my opinion on flights is "the less time I have to spend inside the plane, the better", it seems like little more than this:

images.cryhavok.org

I'd rather see them given better benefits (and psych treatment, when needed), even if it means I have to pay higher taxes. or, better yet, not sent off to fight bullshiat wars. but if cramming them into the sardine can first is the best you can do, have at it.
2012-04-05 04:16:18 AM
2 votes:

urban.derelict: Because f*ck you, civvy.

/dad was drafted, said any military officer is welcome to board any military transport flight... for free, or for $1, I honestly forget, but he did say you gotta wear your military uniform.

So officers who've served in the military can get cheap flights to anywhere the military flies. (Everywhere.)


Your dad is a retard. Learn to live with it champ.
2012-04-05 04:14:55 AM
2 votes:
America reveres its military too much. Some day it's going to come back to bite them.
2012-04-05 04:05:48 AM
2 votes:
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7033525/76018866#c76018866" target="_blank">MBrady</a>:</b> <i>Hate the war, not the people who served in it.</i>

God that statement makes me sick. See how quickly not agreeing with preferential treatment turns into "you must hate the respected"? 80 posts?

Nobody should be GRANTED preferential treatment if you want to try to entertain the image of an equal society. Period. Either live the standard or at least admit you believe in exceptions (because you know, some people are more entitled because of whatever justification you use to trivialize your own states beliefs).
2012-04-05 04:03:57 AM
2 votes:

GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?


Look I am by no means pro military, but for fark sake the soldiers are not the problem, they have enough shiat to deal with. Give them at least some respect for the shiat they do.
2012-04-05 04:03:12 AM
2 votes:
I have always wondered why it is a liberal thing to shiat on the military.
2012-04-05 03:53:21 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Those in first and business class as well as small children and parents of those small children should be boarding first.

The plane is taking off when everyone's aboard. You're not getting home faster because you boarded first.

Sit back and wait until your row is called.


Conversely you could just let them board first. You're not getting home any faster because you boarded after them.

Tossing aside the whole showing some respect issue that's been adequately covered above, service members tend to have carry on baggage that's a bit bulkier than most (but still within airline regulations). Letting them get the perk of boarding first ensures that they can stow their gear safely and not crush your carry on by trying to stuff it in to the overhead compartment on top of your laptop and iPod. You should be happy that the airline is looking out for the material well being of your expensive gadgets. Look at it that way and just let it go man. Anything else and you look like a whining douchebag to normal people.
2012-04-05 03:51:56 AM
2 votes:

DamnYankees: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.


The Vietnam Veterans who came home after that war ended would like a word. Or you can ask your parents how far they could spit a lugie at people who gave their lives for their country.

Hate the war, not the people who served in it. I think if you ask most people who are in the military, they really don't want to die by some jackass with an AK-47 or IED in some backward country, 10,000 miles from home.
2012-04-05 03:43:18 AM
2 votes:
"In a declining empire, which, you know, the United States is, lets agree, the United States is a declining economic and political power even while its a veralent and expanding military power, a very dangerous combination. But in that, I just want to suggest that I think that what looks very strong is often very weak. It is very weak. Even though, this military force, the United States is Sparta. Yes, in many ways, national security ... its all The United States seems to have to offer. It isn't jobs or healthcare or public education or public parks or public libraries, it's security, security, security. We don't want that kind of a future, Occupy doesn't want that kind of a future."

You know how they encourage you to "don't edit yourself"?
In your case, I disagree. Edit. Your sentences are ablated by their own chaff.

"you know" is a low-class discourse marker. It's asserting others must believe this because it's reasonable, and you know, you're reasonable, so surely we're seeing the same thing. It's pointless. How others view your statement will not improve with such an insistence.

Also, I refute your assessment that the United States is "veralent". That's... not even a real word, BTW.
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-04-05 12:56:38 AM
2 votes:
Unless it's Southwest, why would you want to be among the first to board? So you can spend more time in a cramped seat with someone's yardmonster screaming in your ear? If you want to give someone special treatment, let them board last.
2012-04-04 11:03:35 PM
2 votes:
I don't see the point either. Really, why?
2012-04-05 03:22:53 PM
1 votes:

MBK: Because they deserve it?


Why? Why do they deserve it for their one particular occupational role more than any of the other workers that build up this country? Noone forced them to sign up (not recently) and voluntarily choosing to be the mercenary class/armbreakers for heads of state and capital, regardless of their perceived motives isn't inherently noble. The military is a top-down political institution, they don't work for you and me, they work for the private managers with the most money and the public bureaucrats with the most "legitimate" state monopoly on violence and power.
2012-04-05 01:47:03 PM
1 votes:
1. Just because someone is wearing a uniform, they don't automatically deserve respect and undying devotion. My son repaired computers for the Marines. He was never on the front line, and his life was mostly in danger on the freeway, during his commute to the base. I would posit that most military folks have never been in battle.

2. We are a militarized society. The "Patriot Act" is an example.

3. If anyone wants to get on the plane before me, fine.
2012-04-05 12:14:15 PM
1 votes:

Epicedion: I think that the point wasn't specifically about uniformed military boarding planes early. Rather, I think it was more about how culturally we're pretty well required to pay social deference to the military. Harping on the airplane seating is missing the argument for the details.


DING DING DING DING. I said something similar much farther up in the thread but people either didn't (or can't) read it or didn't (or can't) understand it.

This is not about waiting to board a plane.

And for those hollering "It's called RESPECT," I'll explain it to you as simply as I can. Respect is not given, it is earned, and successfully donning a uniform is not automatically worthy of respect.

upload.wikimedia.org

Do you respect this guy? Would you let him on the plane first? Probably, so he won't shoot you in the back. But a soldier is not automatically worthy of more respect than you would give anyone else you didn't know just because he's wearing something that other people did selfless, courageous things in. Nor does he deserve disrespect because other people did horrible, disgusting things in it.

So let him get on the plane first. As some have pointed out, he'll probably be more efficient, and who wants to spend more time on the plane anyway? 'Tis a silly place.

And that's not the point.
2012-04-05 11:37:57 AM
1 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: Jake Havechek: JusticeandIndependence:

You're welcome.

For what? What'd you do?

I helped this person have the freedom to spout whatever they choose without the government impeding their ability to.


Oh, so you're a circuit judge? A lobbyist for free speech?
2012-04-05 11:34:33 AM
1 votes:

Jake Havechek: JusticeandIndependence:
You're welcome.
For what? What'd you do?


He's being smug. He's pointing out that you have not THANKED him for his many years of service. He doesn't understand that we already "thank" him in the form of his cushy job and his early retirement and his health benefits and his education benefits and his endless perks. Lke almost all men and women in the military, he thinks that's not enough. He thinks you should worship him and thank him profusely.

He's accustomed to it. He expects it. When you don't, he says, "You're Welcome" anyway. Get it?

It's sad. He doesn't understand that there are people who do more for their country by threshing a field or fixing a pipe under a city street. He doesn't understand that we can be appreciative of what he does without this constant social pressure to exalt and worship authority. It's an "authoritarian" thing.
2012-04-05 11:32:54 AM
1 votes:
How is getting to board a plane first a perk anyways? All that means to me is that I'm stuck sitting on the plane longer than everybody else. I'd rather be the last person on the plane, having it start to pull away from the terminal the moment I'm in my seat.
2012-04-05 11:21:09 AM
1 votes:

JusticeandIndependence:

You're welcome.


For what? What'd you do?
2012-04-05 11:16:21 AM
1 votes:
I guess that Bill's champagne was a little flat on his last flight because he had to wait for a soldier to board.
2012-04-05 10:47:02 AM
1 votes:
The amount of entitled whining in this thread is unprecedented.

Why is everyone always in such a huge hurry to get on the plane anyways? If I don't have a carry on, I certainly don't want to be the first one on. Why would I be in any hurry to get to an uncomfortable seat in a cramped tube packed with smelly people and crying babies? My seat is purchased, it's not going anywhere. I have no desire to hurry on to the plane...I'm usually one of the last ones on because it just doesn't matter.

Flying to England tomorrow. I'm not going to be the first one on. I'm not going to stand up and try to push in front of everyone to get on. I'm just going to sit in the airport chair and wait until the line is just a few people, and I'll take my tiny backpack and myself, saunter onto the plane, and take my seat. That's 10-15 less minutes that I have to be on that horrid plane with those horrid people, and that's 10-15 minutes of my life which is better for it.
2012-04-05 10:44:11 AM
1 votes:
I think that the point wasn't specifically about uniformed military boarding planes early. Rather, I think it was more about how culturally we're pretty well required to pay social deference to the military. Harping on the airplane seating is missing the argument for the details.

Ayers brings up some interesting points, but as with any ideologue he's too far off from reality to matter. The real problem with the military is that the choice between McDonald's and Hardee's for lunch probably weighs more heavily on the average American's mind than the multiple wars we're currently fighting. An indefinite, de facto state of war that holds little more than passing interest in the daily lives of the citizenry is absurd. Meanwhile we keep throwing people into these war zones again and again, then have the gall to act shocked when one can't take it anymore and starts shooting everyone he sees.

Oh yes, but we totally respect these guys.

It's farking crazy. People are dying, and it's registering a national annoyance level somewhere between gas prices and the line at the bank. Bring them home.
2012-04-05 10:19:29 AM
1 votes:

demonocracy21: When does that happen?


Gee, I don't know. About five or six dozen times in this thread so far when various people suggested that somebody asking why we give some special preference to people at the airpost just because they're in uniform is some sort of horrible attack on the military.

demonocracy21: Regardless of the policies that put troops where they are, they are risking their lives for us...


For example, here would be mindless deference. Risking their lives for us? How? Just because you say it doesn't mean it's true. Nobody who got deployed to Iraq was risking their life for me. Iraq wasn't threatening me. Neither was Vietnam, Korea, Grenada. It's bullshiat. Utter bullshiat. Just because their job is really hard and dangerous doesn't mean it's "for freedom". None of those things made me safer. They made me less safe. The first Iraq war was an enormous contributor to what ultimately became the single most deadly terror attack on U.S. soil.

They're not farking superheros and they're not inherently Patriot Defenders of Freedom. You don't get to say that the people who got sent off to recent wars did so in the name of freedom and justice and protecting America just because some of their predecessors did and refusing to acknowledge that fact only enables cynical assmunch politicians to keep using people in uniform like toy army men for their own personal vendettas.

demonocracy21: So shake their hand and thank them for their service, buy them a beer and for God's sake, let them on the plane first. Because if they are in uniform, they are likely coming from or going to a military post.


Why?
2012-04-05 09:59:19 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Useless pandering symbolism?


Which, I think, may be Ayer's point: when uniformed military people get special privileges for no other reason that their profession (after all, all other priority boarders are somehow physically incapacitated whereas military members are generally perfect physical specimens), it is an unhealthy sign that points to an a growth of authoritarianism in society.

I respect the ever-living fark out of what we ask our soldiers to do, and all the vets, of four different wars, that I know personally are fine human beings. However, I also know that just like cops, not everyone in uniform is a saint, or even a good person, and I do find uniform-worship a little creepy as well
2012-04-05 09:34:00 AM
1 votes:
I'd say George Bush and his paranoia about terrorists infringed on more American freedoms than al qaeda ever did.


"they hate us for our freedoms"

So Georgy boy helped out by taking some of those away.
2012-04-05 09:22:00 AM
1 votes:
It's not like the military just invades a country. They are told to by the President and supported by Congress. These are political branches, the people of this country, deciding that we need to use military operations.

And when my elected representative tells my neighbor you need to go to Afghanistan for ME, I do owe that person. The least I would do is let him/her board a plane first. Heck, if I see uniformed military at a restaurant, I will gladly pay their bill.

It's probably been said in this thread before, and while teachers and other public servants are fine, they do not risk their lives. Even though teaching high school is likely similar to serving in a warzone, there is a fundamental difference between pledging 9 months a year to a steady job and willing to sacrifice life and limb. Both serve the country, but one is obviously risking more.

I really just don't understand how people can feel much different. If you despise war and violence, elect officials that won't send troops into war zones. Even then, you can treat people that sacrifice so much with some respect.
2012-04-05 09:21:38 AM
1 votes:
Because the image must be ever burnished when the truth is monstrous.
2012-04-05 09:18:17 AM
1 votes:

Mildot: Well, he is one of the president's bestist buddies after all...

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Jesus, it's almost like you teabagger jerkoffs all get issued the same talking points.
2012-04-05 09:02:26 AM
1 votes:
I get tired of the "We should thank them for what they do for us" line. I respect soldiers and I know their necessity, but I think the level to which it costs us as a society is overdone and I do respect teachers much more as their efforts do serve us.

The last time soldiers in a war fought to protect America was in WWII. If I see a WWII Vet I definitely give them respect and honor what they did to protect America. I respect that the other soldiers have fought, but the idea of "for their country" or "for us" is a really hard sell, as most of it is because of imperialism and capitalism with dashes of idealistic nationalism against "evil" mixed in to cover the bases of too oft reasons to unjustly kill others for benefit.

Let us consider:
Korean War(communism/Imperialism)
Vietnam (communism/capitalism)
Granada(Communism/imperialism)
Iraq:Desert Storm (Oil)
Afghanistan(Oil Pipeline/Lithium deposits)
Iraq:9/11 (Oil/Imperialism)
Libya(Oil)

The list goes on and really the military efforts of our country are mostly an extension of various Big Oil and other various corporate interests, companies which too often are being subsidized as well. So let those shareholders bow to what you do but on the whole, but personally I will pass as they don't serve me or us but them.

I feel sorry that they have to fight these so-called wars, these perpetual fantasy wars "against the evils of the Eurasia and Eastasia", but this is the result of an apathetic and largely uneducated society and a plutocrat government that serves corporate interests. So don't sell me the respect BS, as it only serves to fall under the same veil of ignorance too many choose to blindly believe.
2012-04-05 08:41:15 AM
1 votes:
I'm sorry, what has the military done for this country again?

Given you an unnatural and unprecedented sense of security, unseen by the human race in it's entire history for one.
2012-04-05 08:34:24 AM
1 votes:

MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.


Guess those people shoulda been teachers
2012-04-05 08:20:12 AM
1 votes:
Jesus! You guys are acting like it's the law of the land. It's corporate policy. Their plane, their rules. Military doesn't *get* to board first, they are invited by the plane owners (the company). This is no different than military discounts at Denny's, Busch Gardens, Disney etc.
2012-04-05 08:16:58 AM
1 votes:
i512.photobucket.com
2012-04-05 08:10:31 AM
1 votes:

natas6.0:
as for teachers, a formerly noble profession..
fetishizing a union who's product is one of the worst of the civilized countries
and getting worse every year
and ignoring the sacrifices made by others
seems like maximum trolling


What you did their. I see it.
2012-04-05 07:55:29 AM
1 votes:

wedding vegetables: a Blaze article on Yahoo? the comments would probably make my computer melt. or cry.


I didn't take the chance. "Bill Ayers" in the headline + "The Blaze" as a source = derp to begin with. I'm pretty sure that wrapping it in Yahoo comments is like adding an explosive charge to create critical mass. (Oh, and congrats Subby on finding a way to wrapper those articles to hide the source. You're sure to get a lot of green lights that way from the trollmins.)

If I had to guess, I'd say Mr. Ayers was complaining about the culture of hero worship around the nation's military while lamenting that other walks of life which have a greater domestic impact are debased, neglected, and continuing a decline into full degeneracy. No way am I opening that article and brushing off the horseshiat to see if I'm right, though.
2012-04-05 07:49:03 AM
1 votes:
PopeBadass:
I agree with a lot of what Ayers has to say, however military service is a sacrifice taken by people who believe in their country and generally are hoping to make things better and safer for the rest of us. If there is a problem with the military, it is in the misuse of its power not in the sacrifice of its rank and file. Most military service men and women are of the 99% not the 1% and we should be embracing them not questioning why they receive some minor special treatment.

The total compensation for the lowliest grunt in the US military these days, when you consider:
- low basic salary plus
- mortgage benefits
- medical benefits
- tax benefits
- travel allowances
- educational benefits
- retirement benefits
- spouse and child benefits
- entertainment benefits
- bonuses
- allowances
- preferential employment benefits
- insurance benefits

is well over $100k per annum. you find me another place where your basic tattooed GED can go and make that kind of cash. It may or may not be service, but it is certainly not the economic sacrifice that military people make it out to be by pointing only to base salary.
2012-04-05 07:41:27 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.


I agree with a lot of what Ayers has to say, however military service is a sacrifice taken by people who believe in their country and generally are hoping to make things better and safer for the rest of us. If there is a problem with the military, it is in the misuse of its power not in the sacrifice of its rank and file. Most military service men and women are of the 99% not the 1% and we should be embracing them not questioning why they receive some minor special treatment.
2012-04-05 07:40:12 AM
1 votes:

chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.


That's not true. He also associated with terrorists that attempted to blow up the Police Station. He's essentially Al Queda with a more incompetent group of friends.

And he is buddies with our President.
2012-04-05 07:31:20 AM
1 votes:

Hill_Lord: If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.


If I thought you could read, I'd tell you to kiss my ass.
2012-04-05 07:27:57 AM
1 votes:
Why do people get always get shiat when they criticize the creeping fascism in this country?

Check out #4 of the Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism (new window)

Bill Ayers is a hero. Except for brain-dead RW yahoos who have forgotten what America is supposed to represent.
2012-04-05 07:27:15 AM
1 votes:

liam76: GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

If teachers regularly traveled in special "teacher" uniforms, and when they did so they were on orders from the federal govt you might have a point.


edmo: Since I separated, military pay and benefits have increased at twice the rate of federal civilians. And equivalent rank and responsibility job pays about 60% more in the military. A Lt Col with 20 years of service makes around $140K a year and collects a $38K tax-free housing allowance if s/he works in DC. There are many, many other monetary benefits.

If I recall correctly that divergence started in 01, when military started getting killed.

Sorry but there is no "equivalent rank and responsibility " for federal civilians. From grooming and appeareance standards to sending people in harms way it is apples and oranges.


If I remember correctly, it was the civilians who were killed first in '01.

Everything after that was done by choice, not out of necessity.
2012-04-05 07:22:31 AM
1 votes:
Military-Industrial Complex.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."
Dwight D. Eisenhower.

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
Dwight D. Eisenhower.
______________

/only idiots board the plane first when instead they could be chilling out in the boarding area in large and fairly comfortable seats. Clamoring to get into a tiny seat with no legroom won't get you to your destination faster - you'll just spend more time in a tiny seat with no legroom, probably with some lardass spilling over into your space.
2012-04-05 07:20:50 AM
1 votes:

electronicmaji: OBBN: electronicmaji: Ayers is right, the military only exists in America to kill innocent civilians in foreign countries. We are no at war. These are not heroes. They are not fighting for our freedom.

There whores, people who sell their bodies as weapons of death and destruction.

And the worst part about it is so man of them don't even realize it.

Two things come to mind reading your Weeners, you suck at being a troll. 1/10

Second, if you really feel this way you suck as a human being and as an American.

1. Not a troll.

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.



Really? I would tend to look upon our greatness as being built upon our success. I guess to someone like you, hard work and determination by our people is something to be frowned upon. Something tells me that you use that same logic to justify any shortcomimgs in your life. Someone at your work got a promotion? I am positive it wasn't because they worked hard and were an asset to the company. Nope, they stole it from someone else and capitalized on others misfortune. A neighbor has a better house than you? It must be they cheated their way into the home. Couldn't have been they worked harder, got a better education, were better at finances.

I didn't look at your profile, but if you aren't from the US then it sounds like you are a bitter citizen of a crappy country and need to justify it's inferior standing. If you are a US citizen, the you are an embarrassment and for some reason bothered that your country is a success. Perhaps you would feel better if you lived in a third world shiathole rather than the greatest country the world has ever known.

You see, America is a caring and giving nation. While certainly not perfect and not above making errors, we for the most part try to do the right things. If there is a disastor in the world, we are usually the first to respond. Got a nation that can't feed itself, chances are pretty good US aid is flowing into it. Have a rouge nation hell bent on conquering free nations? You can bet the first place those nations under assault turn to is the US to bail them out. Need a new technology? Chances are also good, the US is the one that is going to come up with the answer.

So excuse me if I take offense to your American hating attitude. If you don't live here, why don,'t you ask yourself what has the US done to help your liitle country? If you do live here, then how about giving some thanks to a nation and her citizens that have given you the shot at have a decent life, free from oppression and ripe with opportunity. If you are so unhappy with America as she is, then get on the ballot, become a leader and change things.
2012-04-05 07:09:22 AM
1 votes:
I really can't get outraged over what some crazy dipsh*t says.
2012-04-05 07:00:13 AM
1 votes:
It's to check for booby traps. Same theory as buying a bunch of goats for a few silver pieces each and sending them down the dungeon hall first.
2012-04-05 06:43:14 AM
1 votes:
Ah yes. The old "we need to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" canard.
2012-04-05 06:11:28 AM
1 votes:
The My Little Pony Killer: Cataholic: ps...for most of these guys, a teacher's salary would be a nice raise.

Seriously?

Your typical E-5 earns less than $30,000 a year. Contrary to popular belief, military pay is crap.

Ok, but how is this bad pay? It's near the national average, and throw in healthcare, free housing and meals, free education and 30 days off, this seems like a pretty good deal. There are many skilled and experienced people in this country who wish they had any job at all.
2012-04-05 06:10:57 AM
1 votes:
I can only speak for myself, but I have come to hate traveling in uniform for this reason. If someone meets me, gets to know me, hears all my sea/war stories from my own mouth, and then decides to thank me for it........I will be very humbled and appreciative. If they call me a "hero" I will quickly shoot that down, but it won't outright offend me. But for perfect strangers to walk up to me in the airport and shake my hand, call me a "hero", that shiat is completely and utterly embarrassing for BOTH of us. It's so empty and meaningless. Stop it. You don't even know me. I could be a rapist, or worse, I could be some admin biatch who has never had boots on ground in my entire career. Point is, you have no idea. Placing me on a pedestal as a "hero" solely out of some social impulse doesn't make me feel all warm inside. It makes me uncomfortable, at best.

Coming back from Afghanistan for R&R leave about 4 months ago, I was in the Dallas airport. I was part of a huge mass of troops walking through a transparent second-floor walkway. Some old guy on the first floor saw us and stood up, said something (we couldn't hear any sound), and started clapping. Everyone followed suit, a huge standing ovation. When I got to my plane, they upgraded me to first class without asking me and boarded me first. I had to sit up front while every single passenger on the plane walked by me. A few thanked me, shook my hand, the rest just walked past with reactions ranging from awkward staring to condescending smiles to visible contempt. All in all, it was one of the most embarrassing days of my life.
2012-04-05 05:30:43 AM
1 votes:

MBK: Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.

they made that choice and signed up for it.

/FTFY
2012-04-05 05:16:36 AM
1 votes:
Ah, military personnel. The Republican approved late term abortionists.

/I'm ok with abortion
//I'm ok with war so long as you actually fight one instead of spending 10 years picking off people slowly.
2012-04-05 05:09:05 AM
1 votes:
For the most part, this recent "applaud soldiers any time they go out in public" just embarrasses people. Sure, it's nice and I'm sure the younger Soldiers appreciate it, but the old guys just want to get their luggage and do their job. The last work trip I was on the guys who flew out of uniform poked fun at the guys who didn't when they got a round of applause on the airplane... then handshakes going down the hall... then random applause at some other point in the airport. I think someone was handing out cookies too.

Point is, be thankful but don't make a show out of it.
2012-04-05 04:57:12 AM
1 votes:
Who cares? It's a nice gesture and the aircraft aren't going to take off any faster.
2012-04-05 04:51:32 AM
1 votes:
Bill fukn Ayers? Why would anyone listen to a fukn word out of this terrorists mouth? Death would be too good for him. He needs his tongue slowly torn from his mouth and shoved up his ass.

This is the same guy who is butt-buddies with dear ruler Obama...a terrorist...sleep with dirty dogs and wake up with fleas. Obama is infested.
2012-04-05 04:50:00 AM
1 votes:

YouBWrong: Ayers has a point. Strange thing is that I (a veteran) was arguing this with my sister (a teacher) when she forwarded a facebook post about how we all need to thank soldiers for our freedom. The last soldiers to do anything for American freedom fought in WWII which was the last time that we were attacked by a foreign nation. Yeah I know. 9/11!!! But the wars that we've fought as a response to 9/11 have not been against the men who perpetrated that attack. Any teacher who is doing a good job teaching our kids to grow up and be effective citizens is doing more to perpetuate the freedom that we enjoy than any soldier currently fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We do live in a militarized society where the military is deified and sacrificed at the same time. Since the 50s we've maintained a huge standing army and it has changed us as a country. Now we've been at war for over 10 years and it has changed our soldiers. The only ones being served by these changes are war profiteers and fascists. Our soldiers and our civilians suffer.

You want to do a soldier a favor? Don't put a flag sticker on your car. Don't get pissed every time some appropriations bill gets held up. Write your congressman demanding that they come home immediately. Make our government start spending 1/10th of what they spend on tanks and missiles on education and healthcare.


Funny, you tiped something in the same spirit as me while I was typing.
You just got favorited by a dirty pot-smoking french-berliner hippie, you veteran!
2012-04-05 04:25:45 AM
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farkityfarker: America reveres its military too much. Some day it's going to come back to bite them.


actually, it is because of Vietnam. people felt bad for being dicks to the soldiers that had no choice but to be sent around the world to kill babies. They were drafted. Now people don't want to be that way again so nobody says anything bad about the military in general.

i don't know if that is historically how pro-military regimes are created, but i don't think so. America is all about whatever is the right thing RIGHT NOW. i wouldn't take too much to be %100 anti military again.
2012-04-05 04:21:31 AM
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Jack9: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7033525/76018866#c76018866" target="_blank">MBrady</a>:</b> <i>Hate the war, not the people who served in it.</i>

God that statement makes me sick. See how quickly not agreeing with preferential treatment turns into "you must hate the respected"? 80 posts?

Nobody should be GRANTED preferential treatment if you want to try to entertain the image of an equal society. Period. Either live the standard or at least admit you believe in exceptions (because you know, some people are more entitled because of whatever justification you use to trivialize your own states beliefs).


Respect asshole, it has nothing to do with equality. You do these things because you have respect for them.
2012-04-05 04:16:26 AM
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Holy crap! I actually agree with alot with what he said.
And before i get jumped, Yes, i was in the military 7 1/2 years Marines.
2012-04-05 04:09:52 AM
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Because f*ck you, civvy.

/dad was drafted, said any military officer is welcome to board any military transport flight... for free, or for $1, I honestly forget, but he did say you gotta wear your military uniform.

So officers who've served in the military can get cheap flights to anywhere the military flies. (Everywhere.)
2012-04-05 04:03:09 AM
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GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Well, they always said Teachers build the future of this country. Well, the future is here, and they did a shiatty job.

Most teachers take the job because it's easy and they have summers off. In fact, they have 185 days off, not including sick and personal days. Also excellent health coverage. Sick and personal days can be saved from year to year and they can retire early, or they can get the cash for them..I'm sure you have that at your job, right? Sure, there are a few who go above and beyond, but most don't give a shiat. I've been given an A just for not causing trouble (he straight out said the first day, you want an A, just keep doing what you're doing and don't bother me). I've had teachers that spent the entire class talking about their personal life, every single day. It was so easy, the kids knew alls they had to do was get him started on a subject, and he was off. I've had teachers studying their books during class while trying to work on their next occupation. There were sexual molesters, even a rapist in High School

Link (new window)

And they all love to teach about socialism, that is, until it's pay raise time. They don't care that money isn't in the budget, they want it now. I've sat class while a group of teachers talked over their walkout and strike strategy. I heard from their lips that they don't care about the students, and that finals are coming up.

This shiat, where every warm body that takes a teachers job should suddenly be upgraded to saint hood, it's bullshiat. It's a job and nothing more.
2012-04-05 04:02:37 AM
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Cataholic: ps...for most of these guys, a teacher's salary would be a nice raise.


Teachers can't retire after twenty years with full benefits.
2012-04-05 04:00:10 AM
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namatad: kronicfeld: Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.

I HATE BUSH.
I HATE the stupid wars we have fought.
I HATE the GOP and the jingoistic fascists that they have become.

BUT I totally have no problem with military boarding first. FFS.
Some of them will die for MY country.
I have infinite respect for that.
Some of my best friends, a recent ex-gf, all serve in one branch or another.
These are the best. (and yes, some military are the worst of the worst, but we are not talking about them)

The people on the far left are just as farking stupid as the people on the far right.
sigh


Briefly reviewed the article. Was previously active in the Armed Services. Two points:

1) Personnaly, I don't care when I board - I understand a plane has very narrow aisles, and having people board in any other order than "Back to Front" creates congestion in the aisles and makes it longer to board for everyone. However, if people like it, and Uniformed Soldiers take advantage of it, who cares? Its not like they're kicking everyone else off the plane, or forcing them to give up their seat.

2) Bill Ayers comes off as a HUGE dick taking something as small as a military discount or privilege and dragging out until now we are in a militarized society resembling ancient Sparta. If you want to critizise something, produce real facts and figures, not just hyperbole.

I'm not saying the Military is perfect, or doesn't make mistakes. Hell, it makes a decent amount of them. But that doesn't mean we're all doomed to a totalitarian state.
2012-04-05 03:52:08 AM
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GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Pretty simple. It's uniformed personnel. Meaning: under orders. I don't get to just flash my ID saying I served my time and get a bunch of special priveleges. And a soldier would get in a heap of trouble wearing a uniform unauthorized.

So uniformed personnel are assets of the State. And the State is effectively saying these assets getting to where they are going are a bit more important than your business trip or your vacation. And traveling military personnel often have deadlines that even an hour's delay could start making trouble for you even if you have a valid excuse.

There is one good point though, why do they board first? That isn't going to get them there any faster? Although it would make sense that they depart the plane first.

/ spent 8 years in, don't remember this "privelege"
// though i do remember the military discount on airline fees being higher than regular price. That always made me laugh.
2012-04-05 03:51:17 AM
1 votes:
Because fark you that's why.
2012-04-05 03:47:45 AM
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I know a guy out here at my school who is in the Army ROTC who will fly in his ROTC uniform (no orders of course) to get these perks, pissed me off when I heard about it. This farker just taking advantage of this and not even in the real Army, just a toy soldier. I am perfectly fine with these perks, I encourage these perks, but I think people who haven't earned these perks who try to get them are nothing more than scumbags.

/Army Reservist who doesn't dress up to get perks
2012-04-05 03:45:47 AM
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namatad: CommieTaoist:

why are we fighting wars half-assed?
why are we not drafting?
why dont our wars have clear objectives and goals before we start shooting?

we should draft and have no deferments.
none at all
you dont want to use a gun? no problem, kitchen duty.
you have religious problems with war? no problem. chapel duty.
we need grunts to clean as much as shoot.

/sigh


That's a rhetorical question, right? If you have a draft, the government actually has to come up with a proper reason for going to war...
2012-04-05 03:44:26 AM
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My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down
2012-04-05 03:36:36 AM
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Those in first and business class as well as small children and parents of those small children should be boarding first.

The plane is taking off when everyone's aboard. You're not getting home faster because you boarded first.

Sit back and wait until your row is called.
2012-04-05 01:58:01 AM
1 votes:
Seriously?

For most enlisted yes
2012-04-05 12:54:35 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.

So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.


We get it. You're upset because people aren't spitting on them like they used to back in the day.

ps...for most of these guys, a teacher's salary would be a nice raise.
2012-04-05 12:53:45 AM
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FTFA: "In a declining empire, which, you know, the United States is, lets agree, the United States is a declining economic and political power even while its a veralent and expanding military power, a very dangerous combination.

This is not a new observation. Neoliberal scholars and analysts (new window) have been arguing this for decades now. And I see that they are still trying to smear President Obama by association too. Jolly well good now.
2012-04-05 12:25:44 AM
1 votes:

kronicfeld: Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.


THIS

That said, I'm no fan of Ayers or Dohrn
2012-04-05 12:20:19 AM
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i.imgur.com

What the fark is this ad on the sidebar about?
2012-04-04 11:45:16 PM
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Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.

Well you obviously didn't grow up in my neighborhood
 
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