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2012-04-05 12:14:42 PM

9beers: ARagingRebel: Most guys I know have gotten to 19 and got the boot due to review boards, aka boot them so we don't have to pay them at 20 years.

Oh bullshiat dude. Stop with the outright lies.


I'm starting to suspect that he was never in the marine core after all.
 
2012-04-05 12:17:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.

So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.


And yet again, the young libtard with no idea how America works, is heard from. Thanks again for your wisdom.

i41.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-05 12:17:46 PM

ARagingRebel: i only fly home in uniform when my parents are picking me up. As for the poster who said, "20 years, full pay benefits".....your very very lucky if you get that. Most guys I know have gotten to 19 and got the boot due to review boards, aka boot them so we don't have to pay them at 20 years. Hell I am lucky to have just reenlisted, because that is extremely picky right now depending on your rate/mos.
/ET2 (EXW)
//....what's a ship? never been on one


Cool, I've with you guys and IT's in joint environments you guys are usually more fun to drink with when the days is done though. Plus my ex wife was a CTO then an IT when they merged. Glad I got away from that!
 
2012-04-05 12:20:21 PM
MythDragon

If only your caption had said something about soldiers fighting for the right of all Americans to be treatled equally...

Your argument works in reverse...if the gesture is insignificant, why can't it be dropped?
 
2012-04-05 12:21:38 PM
Flakeloaf: Airlines that carry military personnel are usually on contract with the government to provide those flights at a pre-negotiated rate. One of those little clauses in the contract is probably a requirement that the airline avoid bumping military personnel traveling on orders off of their flights. Failure to follow the smallest clause in a government contract can result in financial penalties, increased government regulatory scrutiny or disqualification from future contracts


Nope.

Military personal are required to purchase the lowest priced ticket from what ever airline offers it,. There is no contract with a single carrier. There is no pre negotiated price. There are no Contractor Performace Reviews for airline flights.
 
2012-04-05 12:28:30 PM

potstiekam: ph0rk: potstiekam: It's because knowing this I still signed up and if people like me didn't then people like you would get a draft card in the mail. Your opinion might change drastically when you're forced into the armed forces or forced to flee the country. How many times in history have you seen people being drafted into teaching or nursing?

Yes, we would have exactly as many military engagements with a non-volunteer service.

I'd get continual deferments under the original draft rules as they existed around '72, anyway.

the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency plan; men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed. Hope your friends and family aren't between the ages of 18 and 25. I bet the people that were drafted for the Vietnam war thought it could never happen to them as well.



I believe under Bush 2 they raised the limit to 35 just after 9/11. As to whether it was a surprise to getting drafted, no it wasn't, it was fairly common. You weren't happy about it and thought how could this happen to me, but surprised ... nope.
 
2012-04-05 12:31:59 PM
Boarding first is really quite meaningless. The only possible advantage, assuming the airline has assigned seating which AFAIK almost all still do, is that you won't get screwed out of overhead bin space. And honestly, that's not a big deal. You have to board really late to get screwed in my experience. Anyways, the plane still doesn't take off until everyone is on board and in their seats. It doesn't cost you anything, not even a few seconds of your day, if a few people board before you. So who cares?
 
2012-04-05 12:34:32 PM
JusticeandIndependence
You have no idea what you are speaking about.

Looks like a nerve has been hit...

Tell yourself what you like. But the fact is that you have protected no one from anything. Your entire life has been a waste- in reality you have promoted the very causes you told yourself you were fighting against. These people did more for freedom than 200 years of militarism.
 
2012-04-05 12:46:42 PM

MBK: The perks of the military person gets does NOT outweigh the risks they take.


Toll booth operator is a more risky career choice. I'm frankly quite happy to get on the plane last and don't mind at all if airlines want to let whatever group get on the plane first they choose. At the same time, don't pretend like the radio repair guy in the army is seriously risking their lives on a daily basis.
 
2012-04-05 12:55:13 PM

Danger Mouse: Flakeloaf: Airlines that carry military personnel are usually on contract with the government to provide those flights at a pre-negotiated rate. One of those little clauses in the contract is probably a requirement that the airline avoid bumping military personnel traveling on orders off of their flights. Failure to follow the smallest clause in a government contract can result in financial penalties, increased government regulatory scrutiny or disqualification from future contracts


Nope.

Military personal are required to purchase the lowest priced ticket from what ever airline offers it,. There is no contract with a single carrier. There is no pre negotiated price. There are no Contractor Performace Reviews for airline flights.


Actually you're wrong. While there isn't a contract with one specific carrier for all Gov't travel, there are city pairs (currently 5000 pairs) where the Gov't has already negotiated a price with the airlines. If you are on official gov't orders (military or civilian) and you are flying between City A and City B and they are paired then you must take the flights offered by that airline. Some city pairs have multiple airlines, but you are still limited to those airlines in the contract.
I had to fly from Omaha to St. Louis to pick up my vehicle across the river in Illinois after I returned from an overseas assignment. I could get a one-way $49 Southwest flight, but the Gov't was under contract to fly me on one of the other carriers for $137. While most times the city pair contract does save the gov't money, in a few cases the cheaper airlines can be a better deal.
Airline City Pair Program (new window)
 
2012-04-05 12:56:49 PM
It's always so easy to spot the chickenshiats in threads like this.
 
2012-04-05 01:02:15 PM
tedbundee
chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.

I'm sorry, what has the military done for this country again?


Wow ! What a troll !

But if you are serious ask yourself how free you would be under Hitler, Tojo, or say Stalin.
Unless you missed the most basic history class I'm sure even you can figure it out.
 
2012-04-05 01:06:25 PM
First of all, as soon as I saw Bill Ayers's name in the headline, I knew TFA was coming from a right-wing news source. Bill Ayers is irrelevant to everyone except the right-wing pundits and the idiots who follow them. Shame on Yahoo for carrying a story from The Blaze.

I personally don't care who gets on board a plane first. I have a reserved seat. I've never had an experience where I somehow lost my reserved seat because I boarded later than other people. And, honestly, most of the time I want to delay getting in a tiny tube with a bunch of loud, stinky people.

That said, I think the phenomenon of the military being fetishized in America is an interesting one, which I don't have the time or space to get into, but I'll leave you with one rhetorical question: When was the last time the military actually fought for/defended our freedom?
 
2012-04-05 01:18:12 PM
I fly for the military about a dozen times per year.

I have never seen uniformed servicemen get to board first. We just get in line like everyone else.
 
2012-04-05 01:18:42 PM

chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.

 
2012-04-05 01:19:59 PM
No matter where you stand on the US military actions...its real douche baggery to whine about whether US servicemen get to board planes first

Also, those troops can kick yo ass and jack some rounds into yo
 
2012-04-05 01:20:14 PM

Beerguy: It's called respect.

This is one little perk we can do for them that kinda says, "thanks for all that you do". For most troops, 90% of their tour of duty they will be in pretty shiaty conditions, the airport is the one place where maybe we can make them feel a little special...because they are.

It doesn't really cause anyone any inconvenience.

/Old Soldier

 
2012-04-05 01:23:59 PM
Fark you, submitter, and fark you, Yahoo News, for tricking me into clicking on a Glenn Beck "news" article. As for whatever Ayers said, who gives a fark?
 
2012-04-05 01:30:40 PM

900RR: cameroncrazy1984: MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.

So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.

And yet again, the young libtard with no idea how America works, is heard from. Thanks again for your wisdom.

[i41.tinypic.com image 521x387]


Wow dude that "stupid people" is you. Anyone who uses the term "libtard" to describe anyone who isn't a card carrying republican armed to the teeth has the IQ of a farking pet rock.

Go back to burning books or banning abortion or whatever you idiots do in your spare time.
 
2012-04-05 01:33:43 PM

ph0rk: That girl must have spat in the face of every marine who came home from vietnam. I think she is the mom of the snowboarder who has cut off EVERY SKIER ON EARTH. They are a very active family. Troublesome, but a great work ethic.

I bet they drive all the Priuses (Prii?) that cut off/merge into every motorcyclist in America.

Those bastards.



I am a snowboarder, a motorcyclist, and the owner of an '02 prius, so I am getting a kick out of these replies . . .

/CSB mode off.
 
2012-04-05 01:37:42 PM

YouBWrong: Ayers has a point. Strange thing is that I (a veteran) was arguing this with my sister (a teacher) when she forwarded a facebook post about how we all need to thank soldiers for our freedom. The last soldiers to do anything for American freedom fought in WWII which was the last time that we were attacked by a foreign nation. Yeah I know. 9/11!!! But the wars that we've fought as a response to 9/11 have not been against the men who perpetrated that attack. Any teacher who is doing a good job teaching our kids to grow up and be effective citizens is doing more to perpetuate the freedom that we enjoy than any soldier currently fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We do live in a militarized society where the military is deified and sacrificed at the same time. Since the 50s we've maintained a huge standing army and it has changed us as a country. Now we've been at war for over 10 years and it has changed our soldiers. The only ones being served by these changes are war profiteers and fascists. Our soldiers and our civilians suffer.

You want to do a soldier a favor? Don't put a flag sticker on your car. Don't get pissed every time some appropriations bill gets held up. Write your congressman demanding that they come home immediately. Make our government start spending 1/10th of what they spend on tanks and missiles on education and healthcare.


Can I vote for you for president? Thanks.
 
2012-04-05 01:43:40 PM
I don't care what teachers make in Wake County, NC. That wasn't my point. Nor do I have anything against teachers.

Soldiers, however, sacrifice more.

Showing a little respect / saying thanks to people risking their lives overseas, especially when it doesn't inconvenience anyone else, is the right thing to do.
 
2012-04-05 01:47:03 PM
1. Just because someone is wearing a uniform, they don't automatically deserve respect and undying devotion. My son repaired computers for the Marines. He was never on the front line, and his life was mostly in danger on the freeway, during his commute to the base. I would posit that most military folks have never been in battle.

2. We are a militarized society. The "Patriot Act" is an example.

3. If anyone wants to get on the plane before me, fine.
 
2012-04-05 01:48:32 PM
fireclown
Embarrass isn't quite the right word. It doesn't come up in my life very often. But it does creep me out when I see it. I knew a pretty wide range of people when I was in, and some of them were contemptible. There is a cultural trope that soldiers are all strong, virtuous, morally upstanding men and women with a strong sense of duty. When I see that, it makes me uncomfortable. It could be because when I hear it I realize that there is no way that that person has spent a significant amount of time in or around the military, or is engaging in a frightening degree of nostalgia.

Good on you for serving and also for having a realistic, humble perspective. We've cheapened the word "hero". There are genuine heroes out there. If we're talking about the military, the most obvious example is our country's Medal of Honor recipients. Those people are farking heroes! Sure, they're not the only ones, but let's make sure the word really means something by saving it for the truly extraordinary.
 
2012-04-05 01:50:59 PM

YouBWrong: Make our government start spending 1/10th of what they spend on tanks and missiles on education and healthcare.


But but but...socialism? Or something...that's what the Republican party tells me.
 
2012-04-05 02:01:06 PM

JK47: It's hardly a horrible attack but when extending small courtesies become such a terrible burden and inconvenience it's hard to imagine that one, such as yourself, would be willing to extend any meaningful benefit.

It's fair to question the motives of one who claims to support an organization but can't be bothered to support small gestures that cost them nothing...if you won't do what's easy then it's fair to say you won't extend support when it's difficult.

Case in point; liberals allowed the neo-cons to deploy troops in Iraq showing even less than the modicum of commitment evident when liberals felt that conservative economic policy was harming the economic prospects of themselves and the nation as a whole.


Same crybaby emotional bullshiat. Nobody can actually give a reasoned and sane answer to the question, so instead you just blame people for thinking military early boarding makes them a "burden" even though nobody said any such thing.

I'm still waiting. Why should members of the military get preferential treatment that other people don't. All the explanations given so far are either lies ("they protect America") or apply just as well to lots of other people like long haul truckers, oil rig workers, cops, firefighters, coal miners....

Still waiting for a good reason. Still waiting for someone to explain how jumping into Grenada or invading Iraq or carpet bombing Vietnam made me safer and freer. Still waiting....

Maybe instead of making stupid excuses you should try doing something useful like making it known that you don't appreciate the military being used as the private plaything of politicians and their backers. Seems to me all the time spent defending an early boarding benefit would be better spent fighting to NOT have them ripped from their homes to fight a war in the name of somebody's stock portfolio in the first place.
 
2012-04-05 02:01:28 PM
What is it about William Ayers that gets people so worked up? As if you really know what he's about from some conservative blogger's post. So what if some dude thinks we live in a military-oriented society. Guess what: we do.
 
2012-04-05 02:01:33 PM

publikenemy: Bill fukn Ayers? Why would anyone listen to a fukn word out of this terrorists mouth? Death would be too good for him. He needs his tongue slowly torn from his mouth and shoved up his ass.

This is the same guy who is butt-buddies with dear ruler Obama...a terrorist...sleep with dirty dogs and wake up with fleas. Obama is infested.


Haven't you been listening to the radio? All the big name radio hosts agree that Ayers is relevant! And powerful! And influential! It's not possible that he's irrelevant. No way he'd get press coverage if that were the case.
 
2012-04-05 02:03:47 PM
Because it's respectful, you cockass. These guys take your children's and grandchildren's place by volunteering. If it wasn't for their sacrifice, the government would probably draft them, pay them shiat for it. They are coming back from shiatty places where they could or or could have died doing your government's dirty work in countries where they don't like us very much at all. Let them farking board first.
 
2012-04-05 02:07:50 PM
DCSteve
Soldiers, however, sacrifice more.

You say "sacrifice" as if anyone gets anything out of it.

other than weapons contracts, of course
 
2012-04-05 02:14:32 PM
liam76: They aren't making that kind of "cash", and I would like to see your $ breakdown for that, because I doubt that number.
If you are willing to work obscene hours far away from your family with stuff like oil rigs you can make better money as a "basic tattooed GED".

1. maybe 'cash' was a hasty choice there, but honestly, does it really make that much differnece whether you temporarily see the cash in your account before getting some benefit or if you just get the benefit directly?

2. i don't have the breakdown, but google is your friend.

3. thank you for proving my point. if the choice for making that kind of total compensation is the us military or some horrible oil rig job, then maybe just maybe 'selfless service' isnt the only thing going on here. the reality is that the military is quite a decent carer choice from a stability/benefits/future perspective. this isnt to say that their service isnt honorable - it sure often is, but it does mean that it's not quite the 'sacrifice' that people make it out to be - instead, it's a rational choice.
 
2012-04-05 02:36:40 PM
Okay, I give up: What is a "veralent" military power?

Him no speakum dat dere English no good.
 
2012-04-05 02:38:16 PM
I think virulent is the word they were trying to spell. Why do I think Ayers has no clue what capitalism actually looks like?
 
2012-04-05 02:38:57 PM
A real perk would be getting off the plane first.
 
2012-04-05 02:40:51 PM

olddinosaur: Okay, I give up: What is a "veralent" military power?



It's a perfectly cromulent word.
 
2012-04-05 02:42:45 PM

RanDomino: You say "sacrifice" as if anyone gets anything out of it.


There's a reason that offerings to gods are called sacrifices.
 
2012-04-05 02:46:03 PM

Iceman_Cometh: Danger Mouse: Flakeloaf: Airlines that carry military personnel are usually on contract with the government to provide those flights at a pre-negotiated rate. One of those little clauses in the contract is probably a requirement that the airline avoid bumping military personnel traveling on orders off of their flights. Failure to follow the smallest clause in a government contract can result in financial penalties, increased government regulatory scrutiny or disqualification from future contracts


Nope.

Military personal are required to purchase the lowest priced ticket from what ever airline offers it,. There is no contract with a single carrier. There is no pre negotiated price. There are no Contractor Performace Reviews for airline flights.

Actually you're wrong. While there isn't a contract with one specific carrier for all Gov't travel, there are city pairs (currently 5000 pairs) where the Gov't has already negotiated a price with the airlines. If you are on official gov't orders (military or civilian) and you are flying between City A and City B and they are paired then you must take the flights offered by that airline. Some city pairs have multiple airlines, but you are still limited to those airlines in the contract.
I had to fly from Omaha to St. Louis to pick up my vehicle across the river in Illinois after I returned from an overseas assignment. I could get a one-way $49 Southwest flight, but the Gov't was under contract to fly me on one of the other carriers for $137. While most times the city pair contract does save the gov't money, in a few cases the cheaper airlines can be a better deal.
Airline City Pair Program (new window)


Huh. I've traveled with millitary folks for the past 5 years and while they biatch and moan about the computer system they have to use to book flights they never mentions the paired city program. It must be embedded in the program. Me? I just have to get the lowest, non refundable priced ticket.
 
2012-04-05 02:47:31 PM

RanDomino: DCSteve
Soldiers, however, sacrifice more.

You say "sacrifice" as if anyone gets anything out of it.

other than weapons contracts, of course


Your comments move us in a more philosophical direction. If you say that nothing, other than weapons contracts, has been achieved by war, you'll probably find folks who agree and disagree with you. But for those who say nothing else has been achieved, I hope it is the decision-makers who are to blame. For the troops on the ground, I see them "sacrificing" safety, comfort, and, in some cases, limbs and life, in order to serve the country...regardless of whether the country is truly benefitting.
 
2012-04-05 02:48:08 PM
Nope.

Military personal are required to purchase the lowest priced ticket from what ever airline offers it,. There is no contract with a single carrier. There is no pre negotiated price. There are no Contractor Performace Reviews for airline flights.


Nope.

All Government travelers, military or otherwise, are required to buy a GSA-negotiated fare on the contract carrier for the city pair. It is FAR from the cheapest airfare out there. In the DOD, military and civilian travelers must use the Defense Travel System to book their travel. If I find an $89 flight on Southwest direct through their website rather than the $350 contracted fare on United, I have to submit justification as to why it is more advantageous to the Government for me to NOT use the contract carrier. Cost is usually sufficient justification, but the process is painful enough that pretty much no one ever does it.

One reason is that the airlines will refund/change those tickets for a traveler without question, even if the traveler missed a flight or it's minutes from departure. When booked on contract carriers via DTS, the Government only pays the difference between the original contracted fare and the new contracted fare. But if I buy an $89 flight from Southwest's website (or the cheapest non-Gov't fare from United) and I have to canx or reschedule minutes before I'm supposed to get on the plane, I'm farked, and the Government loses money, and I may miss a meeting and receive a "Failure to Go" punishment for not showing up where I'm supposed to be.

The reason it's like this is the Civil Reserve Air Fleet. The Government actually subsidizes the possibility of the major airlines losing business in the event the President activates the CRAF. The airlines voluntarily participate, and promise a certain number of aircraft will be available on call-up, and in return get GSA pricing for certain city pairs for which Government travelers are required to use as the default choice.

USTRANSCOM does monitor the airlines' readiness to provide these aircraft, and their ratings on that readiness would affect their ability to keep those city-pair contracts. I have seen contract carriers change from American to United in some cities...not sure why, but it does happen.

Our government-rate hotel and car rental prices are usually not much different than the AAA rate, so in that case we have more freedom to choose where we stay, but if no on-base lodging or hotels within per diem are available, we have to get permission to stay in a hotel at "actual cost" vs. the per diem lodging rate.

/yeah, I travel a lot.
//So maybe it's an airline policy to thank the most visible Government travelers for the Government's business.
///I still won't travel in uniform.
 
2012-04-05 03:17:19 PM
The same people he is biatching about are the same people fighting for his right to biatch. Guess that never factors in.

Was looking for attention wh0re shoop. Leave dissapointed.
 
2012-04-05 03:18:35 PM
He made all good points, and the fact that anything he said would be controversial is evidence of the amount of influence the upper class has on the mindset of the retarded dopes playing the game stacked against them, honestly believing that game, convinced they're not in a prison because there's the slimmest chance they might be prison warden one day.
 
2012-04-05 03:22:53 PM

MBK: Because they deserve it?


Why? Why do they deserve it for their one particular occupational role more than any of the other workers that build up this country? Noone forced them to sign up (not recently) and voluntarily choosing to be the mercenary class/armbreakers for heads of state and capital, regardless of their perceived motives isn't inherently noble. The military is a top-down political institution, they don't work for you and me, they work for the private managers with the most money and the public bureaucrats with the most "legitimate" state monopoly on violence and power.
 
2012-04-05 03:26:14 PM

publikenemy: electronicmaji: Spaced Lion: electronicmaji: 1. Not a troll.

0/10. You might as well hold a big sign over your head that reads, "YES I AM A TROLL."

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.

[Citation needed]

In the 1930s my country of second nationality banana farmers formed a union demanding higher wages from the United Fruit Company. The United States threatened to invade our country unless we put them down, and our army marched on them and shot 600 or so farmers.

20 years later the CIA had one of the leading liberal candidates for president, who rose to popularity because of his investigation of the matter, killed.

It plunged the nation into a 10 year war of infighting between the liberal elite and the conservative elite, followed by another 50 years of unending violence and drug trafficking that can all be tied back to the United States meddling in our affairs in order to protect her "interests" without giving a single fark what happens to the citizens of our country.

Then why don't you GTFO..really. Why do you live in a country you hate so much? So many like you, dragging the rest of the country down with the hatred of it. Oh you enjoy living here so much, and all that it has to offer, yet you hate it when convenient..hypocrite


Because despite how much I hate it I beleive I Can change it.

I don't hate the country, I hate what it has become. Idiot.
 
2012-04-05 03:27:50 PM

MBK: Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.


So you openly admit the military isn't actually "spreading freedom" so much as acting as an institutional loan shark henchman with the biggest guns?
Nobody forced them into these warzones (well, kind of, but we should be at the point where we stop going to the warzones and hold those who send us to them accountable), there was no reason we had to fight anywhere. Military and police institutions don't defend freedom. They impose top-down hierarchical disorder and keep the other classes fighting amongst themselves, then say "well look at those other poor farkers after what little you have, ignore the ones running the game, and just let our protection racket run". They cause the chaos and then say "well look at all this chaos we need to protect you guys from".
But on another level, the military and police might as well just be street gangs, the only difference being political legitimacy in the eyes of the people.
 
2012-04-05 03:31:52 PM
Bill Ayers = Major Douche
 
2012-04-05 03:33:18 PM

Somacandra: This is not a new observation. Neoliberal scholars and analysts (new window) have been arguing this for decades now. And I see that they are still trying to smear President Obama by association too. Jolly well good now.


The difference is the new era of austerity and creditor's theocracy over the morality of debt used to justify inhumane violence against people by denying them food and shelter and education and of hyper-military violence while letting the poorer sit out and die for not being born with money to make more money from, is the neoliberal's wetdream and what the people are collectively fighting against more and more.
 
2012-04-05 04:00:12 PM

RanDomino: fark the military, fark the troops. None of them have ever risked anything for you and me. War serves only to enrich the elite, and every single person who has ever willingly joined the military because they want to "serve the country" or whatever is just a farking dupe.


Fark You.

Subby/Veteran
 
2012-04-05 04:30:00 PM

the_geek: At the same time, don't pretend like the radio repair guy in the army is seriously risking their lives on a daily basis.


That's actually a bad example. I was the radio repair guy in the army, so I know they are often directly assigned to a combat unit, as I was assigned to a scout troop. They can further be in a charge of a retrans, where they have to stay alone outside the wire with a vulnerable vehicle for a month at a time so that their equipment can retransmit sincgar radios to extend their range.

On the other hand I've known infantry that end up as some general's driver or some other cushy job. While your point is still valid, I just wanted to note that the danger a soldier ends up in often has more to do with the jobs they are assigned rather than the MOS they trained for. Ultimately you end with little actual control over where, how, why or for who you work for in the army.
 
2012-04-05 04:33:41 PM
Why should I care about some kids that wanted to make 70k+ a year AND get free college while shooting brown people that never attacked the U.S.? They should fark off and get in line like everyone else.
 
2012-04-05 04:34:46 PM

ph0rk: Wolfmanjames: Actually, we do. They're the hefty pensions and other perks like health care they only have to make minimal contributions towards.

That varies by state, and has been on the decline for the last few decades.



Well, they are state employees and the decline (mostly for new teachers) is a recent development.




Teachers do not get first priority for federal jobs and/or contracts, don't have access to an additional medical care network (no matter how crappy it may be).



For most who enter the field, teaching is their final career. Most enlistees in the armed forces are going to move on. As for the VA, considering the hazzards inherent even in a peactime military, that 'perk' is not unreasonable.



In my state, a pensions require 20 years of service, and even with as many as 32 (in this example (new window)) you're lucky to break 20k a year based on what most teachers get paid.



Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't an armed forces pension vest after 20 years? Also the pensions and insurance paid by the state need to be considered.
 
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