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2012-04-05 10:01:14 AM  

beta_plus: But don't you dare tie him to Obama, you racist!


okay son, whip it out.

Go ahead and list every Tie Obama and Bill Ayers have:

I'll even start you off:

They were colleagues at the uber-conservative University of Chicago together

They were on the board of the same non-profit at the same time
 
2012-04-05 10:01:26 AM  
I would love to see Clint Eastwood's Grand Torino character kick Ayers' ass. That would most certainly make my day.
 
2012-04-05 10:01:40 AM  

kim jong-un: The best perk that I would advocate for servicemembers? A mandatory 2-3 week financial management course to be conducted prior to disbursement of any signing bonuses.


I've had to take a mandatory financial management class at the indoc of every duty station I've ever reported to since boot camp. I'm sure it's the same for every branch these days.
 
2012-04-05 10:02:01 AM  

MBK: GAT_00: He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because teachers don't have to travel thousands of miles from home, leaving friends and family behind, to fight in warzones and risking their lives because some old rich guys wanted to go to war.


QFT
 
2012-04-05 10:03:06 AM  

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


The teachers are too busy banging their students to care.
 
2012-04-05 10:03:57 AM  
He would have a point, if it were true.
 
2012-04-05 10:04:41 AM  
Coherent argument or not, some people will take any chance to express their disdain for the military. Threads like this are a good example.
 
2012-04-05 10:04:53 AM  

Magorn: I respect the ever-living fark out of what we ask our soldiers to do, and all the vets, of four different wars, that I know personally are fine human beings. However, I also know that just like cops, not everyone in uniform is a saint, or even a good person, and I do find uniform-worship a little creepy as well


I agree. I'm an Army veteran and when I hear people extolling servicemembers as a grand band of brothers, virtuous and true, it weirds me out.
 
2012-04-05 10:06:27 AM  
I'm still not sure why we are expected to bend over backwards for former service members when their service is voluntary, paid, and has lasting benefits.

You are not a "hero" for the rest of your natural life for fueling planes on an aircraft carrier. You have not contributed to American Society more than the average inner city schoolteacher - who we don't thank of give special treatment to after 20, 30, or 40 years of public service with poor resources and in shiatty conditions.
 
2012-04-05 10:07:56 AM  
He's a troll. Always has been. If ever there was someone on the left that might inspire violence, it is he. On both sides of the aisle.
 
2012-04-05 10:08:21 AM  

Magorn: cameroncrazy1984: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Useless pandering symbolism?

Which, I think, may be Ayer's point: when uniformed military people get special privileges for no other reason that their profession (after all, all other priority boarders are somehow physically incapacitated whereas military members are generally perfect physical specimens), it is an unhealthy sign that points to an a growth of authoritarianism in society.

I respect the ever-living fark out of what we ask our soldiers to do, and all the vets, of four different wars, that I know personally are fine human beings. However, I also know that just like cops, not everyone in uniform is a saint, or even a good person, and I do find uniform-worship a little creepy as well


If they were getting special treatment for their profession they would get it in and out of uniform.

When they are inuniform they are on official business. Generally they are going to or coming from deployment.

I find it a little creepy that people are so warped and or dishonest that they put this up with "uniform worship".
 
2012-04-05 10:09:17 AM  

Kraut10: GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

The teachers are too busy banging their students to care.


Or diddling the 2nd graders.
 
2012-04-05 10:09:37 AM  

Secret Polish Boyfriend: teacher-hate


1) I was joking.
2) Teachers are not monolithic.
3) My son's Kindergarten teacher is excellent. The K teacher the school added to deal with increased enrollment is a stupid, mean biatch.
 
2012-04-05 10:10:41 AM  

ph0rk: I'm still not sure why we are expected to bend over backwards for former service members when their service is voluntary, paid, and has lasting benefits.

You are not a "hero" for the rest of your natural life for fueling planes on an aircraft carrier. You have not contributed to American Society more than the average inner city schoolteacher - who we don't thank of give special treatment to after 20, 30, or 40 years of public service with poor resources and in shiatty conditions.


Actually, we do. They're the hefty pensions and other perks like health care they only have to make minimal contributions towards.


As for Ayres, Mitt appreciates his talking. His protoge, probabaly not so much.
 
2012-04-05 10:10:51 AM  

MithrandirBooga: I don't respect people in the military just for being in the military. When I was growing up, one of the most important things that I learned in school was that the government post WW2 makes horrible war decisions like Vietnam, and as such it makes no sense to volunteer your life for a rich plutocrat whose interests are greed rather than safety of the nation.

Anyone who joins the military has failed to learn this lesson, and while I believe many of their intentions are noble, they would have been far nobler and actually worthy of respect in telling Uncle Sam to fark off, we are not invading Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Just joining the military is not worthy of respect anymore; not when the military is used as a tool of greed and oppression, rather than a tool of freedom and defence.


I bet you think of yourself as "speaking truth to power" a lot, don't you?
 
2012-04-05 10:11:46 AM  
At least ol' Bill and Bernadette are consistant - they've been saying this since the late 60s.

In fact, I'm getting a little tired waiting for the collapse of American society. All this canned food and ammo in the basement is starting to get in the way.

And another thing: when are the black helicopters ever going to get here? Are the Negroes going to get my momma anytime soon? They better hurry up, she's been dead 10 years.

And is Bill Clinton ever going to get around to surrendering American sovereignty to the UN? And did George Bush ever sign that emergency proclamation suspending the Constitution?

And don't get me started on the zombies. Don't those guys have a watch?

/where's my tinfoil hat?
 
2012-04-05 10:13:42 AM  
Teachers are way too busy molesting their students to even get a vacation nowadays!

They should get some time off to nap and replace fluids at least...
 
2012-04-05 10:14:48 AM  

wrongway: He's a troll. Always has been. If ever there was someone on the left that might inspire violence, it is he. On both sides of the aisle.


Swing and a miss. He IS left wing violence. The weather underground was a full on terrorist organization. Bombs and everything. And he isn't sorry.
i2.crtcdn1.net
 
2012-04-05 10:19:29 AM  

demonocracy21: When does that happen?


Gee, I don't know. About five or six dozen times in this thread so far when various people suggested that somebody asking why we give some special preference to people at the airpost just because they're in uniform is some sort of horrible attack on the military.

demonocracy21: Regardless of the policies that put troops where they are, they are risking their lives for us...


For example, here would be mindless deference. Risking their lives for us? How? Just because you say it doesn't mean it's true. Nobody who got deployed to Iraq was risking their life for me. Iraq wasn't threatening me. Neither was Vietnam, Korea, Grenada. It's bullshiat. Utter bullshiat. Just because their job is really hard and dangerous doesn't mean it's "for freedom". None of those things made me safer. They made me less safe. The first Iraq war was an enormous contributor to what ultimately became the single most deadly terror attack on U.S. soil.

They're not farking superheros and they're not inherently Patriot Defenders of Freedom. You don't get to say that the people who got sent off to recent wars did so in the name of freedom and justice and protecting America just because some of their predecessors did and refusing to acknowledge that fact only enables cynical assmunch politicians to keep using people in uniform like toy army men for their own personal vendettas.

demonocracy21: So shake their hand and thank them for their service, buy them a beer and for God's sake, let them on the plane first. Because if they are in uniform, they are likely coming from or going to a military post.


Why?
 
2012-04-05 10:19:53 AM  
fark the military, fark the troops. None of them have ever risked anything for you and me. War serves only to enrich the elite, and every single person who has ever willingly joined the military because they want to "serve the country" or whatever is just a farking dupe.
 
2012-04-05 10:20:16 AM  
I don't care that they get to board first. I'm just wondering why this is a desirable thing? To get more overhead space? And the first class people; Do they like having all the cattle class people bumping into them walking by? I don't understand it. I always wait until towards the end to get on the plane. Why would I want to sit there an extra 20-30 minutes by getting on first?
 
2012-04-05 10:20:25 AM  

RanDomino: fark the military, fark the troops. None of them have ever risked anything for you and me. War serves only to enrich the elite, and every single person who has ever willingly joined the military because they want to "serve the country" or whatever is just a farking dupe.


You're welcome.
 
2012-04-05 10:22:20 AM  

Wolfmanjames: Actually, we do. They're the hefty pensions and other perks like health care they only have to make minimal contributions towards.


That varies by state, and has been on the decline for the last few decades.

Teachers do not get first priority for federal jobs and/or contracts, don't have access to an additional medical care network (no matter how crappy it may be).

In my state, a pensions require 20 years of service, and even with as many as 32 (in this example (new window)) you're lucky to break 20k a year based on what most teachers get paid.


Postal workers get better taken care of than schoolteachers. Delivering the mail is an important service - but more important than educating the public?
 
2012-04-05 10:24:55 AM  

Kibbler: Quoting Bill Ayers on pretty much anything is, by definition, blowing something up


Heh.
 
2012-04-05 10:24:57 AM  
60 years ago the military was a cost center and something that should be restrained. Now days we're at outright hero worship. People remember the shabby treatment vets got during the Vietnam era, and so now we go to absurd lengths to show "appreciation".

We should recognize the military for what it is: a job and a necessary evil. There is a reason why the U.S. seal shows the olive branch first and *then* the arrows.
Balance, that's all I ask.
 
2012-04-05 10:25:44 AM  

GoldSpider: Coherent argument or not, some people will take any chance to express their disdain for the military. Threads like this are a good example.


So? Not everyone has to be rah-rah gung-ho about our military. There is a strong argument to be made that the American people are worse off because of the military, not better.

I am very opposed to the trillions of dollars we have wasted on various foreign invasions over the past 30+ years. Few (any?) were of lasting benefit, unless you were a military contractor or a general. Our freedom and welfare is threatened far more by capitalists and religious fundamentalists within our own borders than by any foreign state we have invaded.
 
2012-04-05 10:26:15 AM  

corn-bread: We should recognize the military for what it is: a job and a necessary evil. There is a reason why the U.S. seal shows the olive branch first and *then* the arrows.
Balance, that's all I ask.


Insufficient jingoism detected.
 
2012-04-05 10:27:12 AM  
Speaking as a veteran, the son and grandson of veterans and the father of a current service member (GO NAVY!), but most importantly, as a paying goddamn customer, it makes me happy when the airlines I patronize choose to do this. It would make me very unhappy if they decided to stop, probably unhappy enough to choose another airline when I could. When teachers and nurses have to carry weapons to do their jobs in Afghanistan, I'd be happy to give them the same courtesy.

I also like to pick up service member's tabs when I see them in airport restaurants. I don't go over and bother them, I just ask the server to give me their bill, pay it and leave quietly. I haven't had a restaurant turn me down yet.

If an airline chooses NOT to allow service members on first, that's fine and dandy with me. I'd choose to give another airline my business when I could. They're all pretty much the same bus with wings, after all. I may only be a lowly silver medallion, but my money is just as green as everybody else's.
 
2012-04-05 10:28:05 AM  
Of course, Bill Ayers also claims that a nailbomb placed outside an officers' ball by his former terror cell was never meant to hurt anyone. DIAF you piece of shiat; I wish you'd been torn to shreds with your two asshole buddies who never finished bomb-making school.
 
2012-04-05 10:29:37 AM  

liam76: Magorn: cameroncrazy1984: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Useless pandering symbolism?

Which, I think, may be Ayer's point: when uniformed military people get special privileges for no other reason that their profession (after all, all other priority boarders are somehow physically incapacitated whereas military members are generally perfect physical specimens), it is an unhealthy sign that points to an a growth of authoritarianism in society.

I respect the ever-living fark out of what we ask our soldiers to do, and all the vets, of four different wars, that I know personally are fine human beings. However, I also know that just like cops, not everyone in uniform is a saint, or even a good person, and I do find uniform-worship a little creepy as well

If they were getting special treatment for their profession they would get it in and out of uniform.

When they are inuniform they are on official business. Generally they are going to or coming from deployment.

I find it a little creepy that people are so warped and or dishonest that they put this up with "uniform worship".


As my OP mentioned, uniformed personnel are government assets. It's no different than any other property being shipped around.

This is a favor the carriers are giving to the government, not to the individual soldier.

If you really want to see how much the airlines care about soldiers, the miltary "discount" is given at a higher price than standard fare. No seriously, they apply the military discount to the maximum ticket price, but since tickets are rarely sold at its full price, the military discount is almost always higher than if you just purchase the ticket normally. I'm not aware of any other discount that is applied that way.

Military worship. Lol
 
2012-04-05 10:30:18 AM  
It's a good idea to board them first.
After all, you don't want them talking too much with the citizens or they might figure out that the freedoms they spent time overseas protecting, all disappeared while they were overseas. I know several whom have served that have questioned that upon their return... 'What the hell happened to this place!??!'
 
2012-04-05 10:31:43 AM  

digitalpirate: Spasticus Autisticus: Once a douche, always a douche.

I didn't learn about homosexual sex from my elementary school, but by high school I learned that I could make money from it by letting married mormon men blow me.

/this article bored me...yawn


I like you. Lets be friends.
 
2012-04-05 10:32:00 AM  
There's a reason Obama kicked off his political career in Ayer's living room. There's a reason Ayer's wrote Obama's book (or Obama plaigerized his) and there's a reason Ayers got Obama into Harvard.

Snakes den up together.
 
2012-04-05 10:33:13 AM  

DamnYankees: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.


I think Mr. Ayers just found a recruit for his next domestic bombing campaign.
 
2012-04-05 10:33:33 AM  
whofkingcares?.jpg

Its not like military can kick you out of first class or make you move to the back of the bus
 
2012-04-05 10:34:14 AM  

Sgt Stubby: There's a reason Obama kicked off his political career in Ayer's living room. There's a reason Ayer's wrote Obama's book (or Obama plaigerized his) and there's a reason Ayers got Obama into Harvard.

Snakes den up together.


Actually most snakes are fiercely territorial and even those that are not are solitary animals.

So, okay.
 
2012-04-05 10:35:51 AM  
This is not a law, people. This is a practice in the airline industry. Calm down.

/My wife is in the Air Force and I am certifying to teach. What is my prize?
 
2012-04-05 10:37:45 AM  
RTA
diditwith.net

Apple = Military
Orange = Teachers, Nurses, (and adding my own) Police, Firefighters, EMS

Want to help out the military, go to a VFW post and ask what you can do to help
Want to help out a Teacher, ask them what supplies they need
Want to help out a nurse, ask them what will help them at their job and get it for them
Want to help out police, firefighters, ems stop by a station and have a free cook out for them and thank them
 
2012-04-05 10:38:23 AM  
Bill Ayers is a terrorist that is no different than any other thug terrorist. He should have spent hi life in jail but instead was setup with a cushy job inside academia. Fark Bill Ayers.

I am not an Obama basher, in fact - I think I'll be voting for him versus Romney and it has nothing to do with left or right. It's that Ayers is a massive prick and I can not believe some people support him.
 
2012-04-05 10:38:59 AM  
People more worthy of early boarding:

Garbagemen
Plumbers
Electricians
Construction Workers
Teachers
Coal Miners
People who care for the elderly
The entire food service industry
Auto mechanics
Policemen
Firemen
Farmers

Each one on that list does more for this country than someone who VOLUNTARILY SIGNED UP for a job killing people in foreign lands who pose no threat to us. Army thugs already derive all the inordinate benefits from that job, such as free or reduced housing, free or reduced medical care, free or reduced education, retirement benefits, etc. Why do we deify them with such exalted status? Only fascist regimes do that. Ike was right.

You also get a nice glimpse into the mind of the authoritarians in this thread. Threats of violence to anyone who doesn't worship the military. Stay classy.
 
2012-04-05 10:40:12 AM  

JamisonJamieJames: whofkingcares?.jpg

Its not like military can kick you out of first class or make you move to the back of the bus


Most airlines overbook flights, so, yes, theoretically they can bump you from a flight. Not if you're in first class, of course, but who the fark can afford that for every flight (and is not also a terrible person, thus deserving of ire and scorn?)

This is by far the least of the grievances anyone should have with commercial airlines, of course, and it is obvious that it is so recently off-tour or soon to be on-tour military personnel can get around the US using the civillian transit system.

I'm much more curious about the generic hero worship that some seem to advocate. I'm pretty sure it is possible to serve without farking up and still not be a hero.
 
2012-04-05 10:41:13 AM  

MithrandirBooga: I don't respect people in the military just for being in the military. When I was growing up, one of the most important things that I learned in school was that the government post WW2 makes horrible war decisions like Vietnam, and as such it makes no sense to volunteer your life for a rich plutocrat whose interests are greed rather than safety of the nation.

Anyone who joins the military has failed to learn this lesson, and while I believe many of their intentions are noble, they would have been far nobler and actually worthy of respect in telling Uncle Sam to fark off, we are not invading Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people.


What if they had a war and nobody came, amirite?

YOU tell Uncle Sam to fark off, and vote appropriately. I'll continue to serve just in case someone in a cave somewhere wants to kill you because you spout ignorant bullshiat out of your priveleged world-1% self-entitled condescending American pork-hole.

You don't even have to thank me, and no, I don't wear my uniform when I travel.
 
2012-04-05 10:41:30 AM  
Proving yet again that there is nothing commies won't whine about, and nothing whining FARK commies won't rush to defend whining about.
 
2012-04-05 10:41:45 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think they should be allowed to board first. In fact, I think they should also be allowed to stay in our homes in peacetime and we should have to feed them.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure we fought a revolutionary war over THAT little issue...Don't think we'd want a repeat.
 
2012-04-05 10:41:49 AM  

fireclown: wrongway: He's a troll. Always has been. If ever there was someone on the left that might inspire violence, it is he. On both sides of the aisle.

Swing and a miss. He IS left wing violence. The weather underground was a full on terrorist organization. Bombs and everything. And he isn't sorry.
[i2.crtcdn1.net image 400x300]


He is a LEFT terrorist. Sure. You are correct, but he is a left terrorist in the same way that Timothy McVeigh or any wack-job that shoots an "abortion doctor" is a RIGHT terrorist. It doesn't matter what side they are from, judge individuals not groups.

thesignalinthenoise.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-05 10:42:01 AM  
How about ladies first?

How about members of the clergy first?

How about people in the rear section of the plane get on first and then subsequent sections of the plane that are sequentially closer to the front door, so we can just get on the freakin' plane already and get the hell out.

Empty gesture is empty.
 
2012-04-05 10:42:05 AM  

crazyeddie: People more worthy of early boarding:

Garbagemen
Plumbers
Electricians
Construction Workers
Teachers
Coal Miners
People who care for the elderly
The entire food service industry
Auto mechanics
Policemen
Firemen
Farmers

Each one on that list does more for this country than someone who VOLUNTARILY SIGNED UP for a job killing people in foreign lands who pose no threat to us. Army thugs already derive all the inordinate benefits from that job, such as free or reduced housing, free or reduced medical care, free or reduced education, retirement benefits, etc. Why do we deify them with such exalted status? Only fascist regimes do that. Ike was right.

You also get a nice glimpse into the mind of the authoritarians in this thread. Threats of violence to anyone who doesn't worship the military. Stay classy.


You're welcome.
 
2012-04-05 10:42:14 AM  
Six years in the Navy. Took a few flights but always in civies. I think I rode a train once in uniform and I got a few nods but no upgrades (Are there upgrades on a train?) I did wear my uniform on a few stateside port visits and I have had a few beers bought for me so that is good.
 
2012-04-05 10:44:11 AM  
I think that the point wasn't specifically about uniformed military boarding planes early. Rather, I think it was more about how culturally we're pretty well required to pay social deference to the military. Harping on the airplane seating is missing the argument for the details.

Ayers brings up some interesting points, but as with any ideologue he's too far off from reality to matter. The real problem with the military is that the choice between McDonald's and Hardee's for lunch probably weighs more heavily on the average American's mind than the multiple wars we're currently fighting. An indefinite, de facto state of war that holds little more than passing interest in the daily lives of the citizenry is absurd. Meanwhile we keep throwing people into these war zones again and again, then have the gall to act shocked when one can't take it anymore and starts shooting everyone he sees.

Oh yes, but we totally respect these guys.

It's farking crazy. People are dying, and it's registering a national annoyance level somewhere between gas prices and the line at the bank. Bring them home.
 
2012-04-05 10:45:14 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: You're welcome.


Thank you for your jingoism?
 
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