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2012-04-05 07:45:56 AM
I don't think it's altruistic. I figured that "uniformed soldiers board first" was kind of like "cops eat free" at restaurants. Sure, it's "you're a hero, blah blah blah" but also you're trying to encourage them to come around because their presence keeps monkeybusiness to a minimum. If I want to discourage someone from trying some shiat, I'd rather each passenger walk past a uniformed soldier on my plane than some beefy woman from Omaha trying to cram her steamer trunk into the overhead compartment.
 
2012-04-05 07:47:57 AM
So they can get there first.
 
2012-04-05 07:48:12 AM

MBK: cameroncrazy1984: So? They knew what they were getting into. They chose it. It's not like they were forced into the Army.

So are teachers. Listen, teaching is a great profession. I have many friends who are teachers. I work in a school. I know teachers.

But...this whole idea that they are amazing individuals who teach every kid to read and write is bullshiat. Think back to your youth. Was every one of your teachers a "hero"? Was everyone of them burning the midnight oil to grade your papers or make a lesson plan? No, you had your fair share of shiatty teachers.

And no one forced them into teaching. They picked that major in college. They decided to stick with it. And then they decided to get a job teaching. This isn't The Giver, you aren't assigned jobs once you reach a certain age.

The perks of the military person gets does NOT outweigh the risks they take. We are seeing it every day with PTST and other issues like that. WE aren't giving them the healthcare they deserve or should get. We shouldn't worship them, but then again, we shouldn't give them the cold shoulder. SO they get first boarding priorities. And they get free meals on certain days of the year. Is that really a bad thing?

I really don't give a rat's ass about the special treatment they get from airports or restaurants. I care more about the treatment they get from the government. Or rather, the lack of care.


Said much, much better than I could. Well done.
 
2012-04-05 07:48:26 AM

Hill_Lord: If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.


If you're buried under rubble in a third world country after a bombing, thank America.
 
2012-04-05 07:48:55 AM

electronicmaji: Spaced Lion: electronicmaji: 1. Not a troll.

0/10. You might as well hold a big sign over your head that reads, "YES I AM A TROLL."

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.

[Citation needed]

In the 1930s my country of second nationality banana farmers formed a union demanding higher wages from the United Fruit Company. The United States threatened to invade our country unless we put them down, and our army marched on them and shot 600 or so farmers.

20 years later the CIA had one of the leading liberal candidates for president, who rose to popularity because of his investigation of the matter, killed.

It plunged the nation into a 10 year war of infighting between the liberal elite and the conservative elite, followed by another 50 years of unending violence and drug trafficking that can all be tied back to the United States meddling in our affairs in order to protect her "interests" without giving a single fark what happens to the citizens of our country.


I apologize as I didn't see this post prior to my last one. First let me say that your situation sounds terrible and one can have sympathy for it. But secondly I will say, there's your problem right there. You, unfortunately seem to live or come from a craptastic nation. It seems as if your country has a government that is spineless and has no problems murdering it's own countrymen. Newsflash, nations from the beginning of time have tried to influence other, weaker nations. Perhaps if your native land spent less time in a drug induced pity party and more time developing industry that was of value to the rest of the world you would be in a better position. But don't try to blame the failures of your country on mine.
 
2012-04-05 07:49:03 AM
PopeBadass:
I agree with a lot of what Ayers has to say, however military service is a sacrifice taken by people who believe in their country and generally are hoping to make things better and safer for the rest of us. If there is a problem with the military, it is in the misuse of its power not in the sacrifice of its rank and file. Most military service men and women are of the 99% not the 1% and we should be embracing them not questioning why they receive some minor special treatment.

The total compensation for the lowliest grunt in the US military these days, when you consider:
- low basic salary plus
- mortgage benefits
- medical benefits
- tax benefits
- travel allowances
- educational benefits
- retirement benefits
- spouse and child benefits
- entertainment benefits
- bonuses
- allowances
- preferential employment benefits
- insurance benefits

is well over $100k per annum. you find me another place where your basic tattooed GED can go and make that kind of cash. It may or may not be service, but it is certainly not the economic sacrifice that military people make it out to be by pointing only to base salary.
 
2012-04-05 07:49:14 AM

OBBN: Why is this turning into a debate about the military and small perks they sometimes recieve? Everyone here is missing the point. Ayer's is upset about this because he isn't being treated special. Nobody else can see this? Does anyone think he would have a problem if the airline staff made an announcement that all famous VIPs could board first, starting with him? Would he decline the offer? Me thinks not. He is your typical whinny liberal upset that someone is getting a "special" treatment and might be a tad more important than them. I would bet that old Bill was traveling first class. Kind of hard to impress people with your first class status if someone else gets priority boarding with you.

I hope Bill had a crappy flight full of turbulence, rotten food and a screamimg kid in the seat behind his. It would make my day if the kid kicked the back of his seat the whole way.


This. The socialist elite don't want to actually be lumped in with the rest of the stupid masses (see the Czars and Mojos of the world)
 
2012-04-05 07:49:22 AM

ThunderPelvis: For Christ's sake, we live in a world of instant gratification where we haven't been asked to sacrifice a SINGLE F*CKING ounce of our precious time or money to fight multiple wars in hellholes on the other side of the planet, and now we have people biatching and pissing and moaning because of one of the few, TINY-ass perks offered to people serving their country, and fighting the wars that we, as a society, asked them to fight.

Is this really the kind of thing that keeps you awake at night?

/turboliberal.
//opposed both wars.


Big ol' ditto
 
2012-04-05 07:49:39 AM
Silly libtard. Doesn't he know that the TRUE AMERICANTM will say big words like "Support the troops" and put yellow magnets on his car, then tell the soldier to go die so that taxpayers won't need to pay for medical treatment.
 
2012-04-05 07:50:14 AM
Bill Ayers is a verified ass. This is the man, afterall, who housed and paid for Obama's stint in Harvard. No doubt propping him up to be the insecure little man he is today.
 
2012-04-05 07:51:27 AM
It's nice to have interesting friends and mentors I bet.
 
2012-04-05 07:52:24 AM

Nemo's Brother: And he is buddies with our President.


In case anyone was wondering, in this election year, why the press is suddenly interested in what Bill Ayers says. The Real Muricans want to be reminded of how this Kenyan Leninist is single-handedly blowing up every police station in the country.

BILL AYERS. REV. WRIGHT. ENEMIES. KEEP AMERICA SAFE (FOR REPUBLICANS).
 
2012-04-05 07:52:30 AM
we ought to give them a buzzer like applebes does... they can sit in the bar intil it starts flashing and buzzing, then they get to board last Why wait in line
 
2012-04-05 07:52:51 AM
Clearly Bill Ayers must be a terrorist, working with Al Qaeda in Iran.

/Get the cruise missiles ready.
 
2012-04-05 07:53:31 AM
Turning the channel to "what does Bill Ayers think" already? Quick, ask Rev. Wright something too, that'll make Romney win!
 
2012-04-05 07:53:39 AM

Gwyrddu: Precision Boobery: Ayers might need to work on his delivery but he has a point: the military is fetishized in the U.S.. High school dropouts and felons who turned to the army as a last resort do not automatically become Captain America by putting on camo and going through basic. At best, they're choosing to perpetuate pointless, criminally expensive conflicts. At worst, they're looking forward to "bagging some (insert 'rag'- or 'sand'- based epithet here)".

With very rare exceptions, High School dropouts and felons aren't allowed in the military.


ORLY?

Since the military is a necessary institution which every country possesses, you can' exactly blame soldiers for pointless conflicts. Blame politicians and the American people if you want to blame anyone for those conflicts. In fact, I'm sure part of the reason why soldiers get such small perks as being first in airports is because people feel guilty for sending soldiers off to fight and sometimes die in pointless criminally expensive conflicts.

Kinda hard to fight a pointless conflict if no one shows up for it. Maybe if Americans felt about teachers the way we're instructed to feel about soldiers, some of these kids wouldn't have to choose between poverty and military service. Or even if they did, they'd have the critical thinking abilities to recognize and opt out of the bullshiat the military is being used for.
 
2012-04-05 07:53:41 AM

Zoomaster: My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down


Been in the AF 10 years, never heard that. Could just be her squadron's policy. I have only ever been allowed to board first 2 times in 10 years. They don't do it every time and when they do it's nice but I'd rather give a Nam vet my seat first than me taking one,.
 
2012-04-05 07:53:59 AM

ManateeGag: Why does Bill Ayers hate America and the troops?


Habit.
 
2012-04-05 07:54:39 AM

Oznog: AverageAmericanGuy: L33t Squirrel: Oznog: Also, I refute your assessment that the United States is "veralent". That's... not even a real word, BTW.

Maybe he meant "relevant" but had too much "vodak." It might also explain the entirety of his nigh-incoherent ranting.

I thought it was a strange misspelling of "violent".

I'm pretty sure he meant "virulent".


... my work here is done!!
 
2012-04-05 07:55:20 AM
Got called a 'baby killer' back in 1979 at the Albuquerque Airport. I was in Class Bs walking to the plane. I believe my reply was "C'mon. It's 1979."

So getting on the plane first and claiming that shared armrest might be an improvement.
 
2012-04-05 07:55:29 AM

wedding vegetables: a Blaze article on Yahoo? the comments would probably make my computer melt. or cry.


I didn't take the chance. "Bill Ayers" in the headline + "The Blaze" as a source = derp to begin with. I'm pretty sure that wrapping it in Yahoo comments is like adding an explosive charge to create critical mass. (Oh, and congrats Subby on finding a way to wrapper those articles to hide the source. You're sure to get a lot of green lights that way from the trollmins.)

If I had to guess, I'd say Mr. Ayers was complaining about the culture of hero worship around the nation's military while lamenting that other walks of life which have a greater domestic impact are debased, neglected, and continuing a decline into full degeneracy. No way am I opening that article and brushing off the horseshiat to see if I'm right, though.
 
2012-04-05 07:55:36 AM
Meh.

I'm finding it hard to give a fark about what Ayers has to say, but the teabaggers and freepers need their boogeymen.
 
2012-04-05 07:56:14 AM
I would imagine that the airlines do it because they were asked to and the military asked because it gives military personnel an incentive to wear their uniform in a very public place. The military likes soldiers wearing uniform in public places. It's a recruitment opportunity.
 
2012-04-05 07:58:10 AM

jbc: Unless it's Southwest, why would you want to be among the first to board? So you can spend more time in a cramped seat with someone's yardmonster screaming in your ear? If you want to give someone special treatment, let them board last.


Access to overhead stowage. The last people on don't get any.
 
2012-04-05 07:58:32 AM
I'm definitely not voting for him after this.
 
2012-04-05 07:59:32 AM

rockforever: pickle65: Because someday China will get all hot and bothered over something, or North Korea will finally lose the last shred of sanity, or Russia will finally get tired of being "the country that used to be strong," or someone completely off the radar right now will attack the United States, and that guy in that uniform is the guy who will put himself in between you and the people that want to hurt you, even while you're asking stupid questions like that.

That's why

Cus only people in uniform can be heroic.


Dumb addendum. No claims are made to the lack of heroism of the common man. Original point is valid, other comment is logical fallacy of the straw man variety.
 
2012-04-05 08:01:22 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: is well over $100k per annum. you find me another place where your basic tattooed GED can go and make that kind of cash. It may or may not be service, but it is certainly not the economic sacrifice that military people make it out to be by pointing only to base salary.


Your not very likely to get in the military with a GED, or with tattoos that can been seen in uniform for that matter. A basic tattooed GED could spend those four years he would have been in the military going to some state university and then be four years ahead on his career path from the guy who joined the military.
 
2012-04-05 08:01:27 AM

Jake Havechek: Meh.

I'm finding it hard to give a fark about what Ayers has to say, but the teabaggers and freepers need their boogeymen.


They can pull boogeymen out of thin air, armed to the teeth and ready to start gay-marrying aborted fetuses at the drop of a beret. It's about the only imagination they have. Still, why use that imagination if you've got a mystical superimposition of an existing figure to draw on? That's just so much easier.
 
2012-04-05 08:02:17 AM

Jake Havechek: Meh.

I'm finding it hard to give a fark about what Ayers has to say, but the teabaggers and freepers need their boogeymen.


And OWS needed an idol, according to the account given in TFA.

Newsflash: political extremists of any color are mostly whackos.
 
2012-04-05 08:02:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Atomic Spunk: I don't really care. I prefer to board last. The less time I have to spend on the plane, the better.

By the way, I've always heard elderly, disabled and passengers with young kids board first. I never heard anything about uniformed military. I need to listen more closely next time.

You're probably not flying patriotic enough airlines. You're probably giving your money to America-hating airlines that fly to foreign countries. They probably have flights to France and Mexico.

You make me SICK.


Made me laugh, well done
 
2012-04-05 08:05:13 AM
We are one of very few countries that does not require enlistment.
And that's because people are willing to sign their lives on a dotted line and take an oath to serve the country, and whatever jackass you folks vote into office.
They could send 'em off to war
or they can get killed on a 'peacekeeping' mission.
either way it could be years before they see their families again.

as for teachers, a formerly noble profession..
fetishizing a union who's product is one of the worst of the civilized countries
and getting worse every year
and ignoring the sacrifices made by others
seems like maximum trolling
 
2012-04-05 08:06:11 AM
Ayers being applauded at an occupy rally is a lot like a convicted abortion clinic bomber being applauded at a Palin rally.

Jake Havechek: I'm finding it hard to give a fark about what Ayers has to say, but the teabaggers and freepers need their boogeymen.

He's a better boogeyman than most. He's a far more competent terrorist than most of the terrorists that we have seen in the US in recent years. Link
 
2012-04-05 08:06:11 AM
Burma Shave
 
2012-04-05 08:06:23 AM
Oh FFS...some military members get sent to duty in Hawaii, family and all, do don't give me that BS about how bad they have it or what huge sacrifice they're making. Granted, some do, but that is VERY much the minority.
 
2012-04-05 08:07:33 AM

Zoomaster: My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down


Never had that rule in the Army. At least I was never told about it. Flying home on leave from Iraq, the gate agent bumped me and another soldier up to first class. I thanked her, and it was a very nice ride.
I've never bothered to check, since I've never felt like wearing my unform just for shiats and giggles, but I think we're allowed to travel in dress uniform, even if not on orders. Can any barracks lawyers confirm?
 
2012-04-05 08:07:49 AM

fireclown: Ayers being applauded at an occupy rally is a lot like a convicted abortion clinic bomber being applauded at a Palin rally.

Jake Havechek: I'm finding it hard to give a fark about what Ayers has to say, but the teabaggers and freepers need their boogeymen.
He's a better boogeyman than most. He's a far more competent terrorist than most of the terrorists that we have seen in the US in recent years. Link


Stupid hippies.
 
2012-04-05 08:08:08 AM

farkityfarker: America reveres its military too much. Some day it's going to come back to bite them.


[citation needed]
 
2012-04-05 08:08:46 AM
Guess what idiots... You're all arriving at the airport at the same time. Who gives a fark who is allowed on the plane first? Jesus, people need to get a farking life.
 
2012-04-05 08:10:31 AM

natas6.0:
as for teachers, a formerly noble profession..
fetishizing a union who's product is one of the worst of the civilized countries
and getting worse every year
and ignoring the sacrifices made by others
seems like maximum trolling


What you did their. I see it.
 
2012-04-05 08:11:35 AM

liam76: ryarger: If I remember correctly, it was the civilians who were killed first in '01.

Everything after that was done by choice, not out of necessity

Did the military choose it (the multiple wars since then)?

Like the choice of the govt or not they need to pay people in the military enough to keep joining and stay in.


It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of awareness. I do respect, a great deal, a young person who chooses to devote a portion of his life to national service. However, in the past decade, anyone with a brain should know that signing on that dotted line means a very high likelihood of being sent to a place where we were not invited, are not wanted and ordered to kill others under extremely ambiguous moral circumstances.

Questioning and harshly analyzing our military, from the command structure down to the grunts, should not be seen as a bad thing. There should be no sacred topics in our national discourse- especially one that consumes the majority of our financial output.

Every political debate should include questions like "What specific freedoms are being protected in military action X?"
 
2012-04-05 08:12:15 AM

Rambino: Standard Deviant: I have always wondered why it is a liberal thing to shiat on the military.

Suggesting that teachers and nurses are worthy of the same respect as soldiers is "shiatting on the military?"


I would say it is more of a liberal thing to worry about the abuses of the military, most of us( including myself) highly respect servicemen and women and are more than willing to wait while they board a plane first and any other minor petty perk they may get for their sacrifices. I've always wondered why conservatives will increase military spending while simultaneously slashing veteran benefits and send young men and women into harms way for highly suspect reasons.
 
2012-04-05 08:12:39 AM

MythDragon: Zoomaster: My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down

Never had that rule in the Army. At least I was never told about it. Flying home on leave from Iraq, the gate agent bumped me and another soldier up to first class. I thanked her, and it was a very nice ride.
I've never bothered to check, since I've never felt like wearing my unform just for shiats and giggles, but I think we're allowed to travel in dress uniform, even if not on orders. Can any barracks lawyers confirm?


All branches can wear dress uniforms on flights when not on orders, don't see it much but every once in awhile I will see it. I tend to leave them alone as long as they aren't doing something stupid in uniform. Like I said before I believe Zoomaster's daughter is passing on the rules of her squadron, group or wing commander's rules and not that of the entire AF.
 
2012-04-05 08:13:57 AM

Precision Boobery: ORLY?


That was before the recession hit, the military can be more picky now. Also, different branches have different regulation, but at worst you are looking at 10% at most for the army and at best 1% for the Air Force and the other forces in-between in regards to GED's they accept, and most will try to drop that number as much as possible. Long story short, if you got in with a GED, likely you scored really high on the ASVAB or the military would have probably took someone else instead.

Kinda hard to fight a pointless conflict if no one shows up for it.

And at that point you are screwed because you have no national defense. That's like saying the solution to police violence is to have no police force. The responsibility has to hang with politicians and the voters who put them in office as to how the military gets used.

Maybe if Americans felt about teachers the way we're instructed to feel about soldiers, some of these kids wouldn't have to choose between poverty and military service. Or even if they did, they'd have the critical thinking abilities to recognize and opt out of the bullshiat the military is being used for.

While respect for teachers is a good idea, it isn't going to solve the dilemma between poverty and the military being one of the few ways out. If you do want to become a teacher though, the federal government will give you money (like 4 grand a year) that you don't have to pay back if you teach in poverty stricken areas, so there is some support there for people who want to be teachers.
 
2012-04-05 08:14:18 AM
Why do military get to board the plane first?

Well, who else is gonna recon the plane for hidden terrorists, asshole? You? You're probably too busy wacking people in the face with that twice-as-big-as-regulations-allow carry on back you've got slung over your shoulder, trying to cram your way down the aisle that obviously isn't moving, just so you can get to your row before everyone else and shove your huge ass bag that you should have checked into the entire overhead bin before anyone else has the chance to actualy use it, to be alert for boxcutters that muslims may have hidden in a seat somewhere.
(I appologize for raping english grammar in that last sentance)
 
2012-04-05 08:16:37 AM
Flakeloaf

couldn't resist

too many serious people here
 
2012-04-05 08:16:42 AM
Someone is surprised that Weather Underground Bill Ayers has a beef with military servicemen's perks? How is this farking news?

Asking Bill Ayers what he thinks about modern American society sounds like a game played by drunk teenagers who want to watch some old dude get blue in the face.
 
2012-04-05 08:16:58 AM
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-05 08:17:02 AM

eyehate: I didn't sit things out, I actually served after high school.

...After six month deployments where I had constant 12 hour shifts with no days off and very few days of liberty in port. After meeting people that would bend over backwards to help me out or run into a conflagration to pull me out. All of this knowing that death could be at every turn in quick order.


Done that in the civilian world with no benefits or vacation time, and a salary that after bills and taxes leaves me half as rich as an E-1 living on base.

And I still have no problem with letting the guys / gals who get shot at for a living, board a farking plane first. I actually work for them.
 
2012-04-05 08:18:43 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: PopeBadass:
I agree with a lot of what Ayers has to say, however military service is a sacrifice taken by people who believe in their country and generally are hoping to make things better and safer for the rest of us. If there is a problem with the military, it is in the misuse of its power not in the sacrifice of its rank and file. Most military service men and women are of the 99% not the 1% and we should be embracing them not questioning why they receive some minor special treatment.

The total compensation for the lowliest grunt in the US military these days, when you consider:
- low basic salary plus
- mortgage benefits - depends on your rank
- medical benefits
- tax benefits - only in war zone
- travel allowances - they cover teh cost fo the move when they tell you tom ove isn;t really a benefit
- educational benefits
- retirement benefits - only after you retire
- spouse and child benefits - try and have a spouse keep a career moving every 3 years, and the "child benefits" are so great lowe ranking enlisted can qualify for food stamps
- entertainment benefits
- bonuses
- allowances - the kind that don't cover your uniforms
- preferential employment benefits
- insurance benefits

is well over $100k per annum. you find me another place where your basic tattooed GED can go and make that kind of cash. It may or may not be service, but it is certainly not the economic sacrifice that military people make it out to be by pointing only to base salary.


They aren't making that kind of "cash", and I would like to see your $ breakdown for that, because I doubt that number.

If you are willing to work obscene hours far away from your family with stuff like oil rigs you can make better money as a "basic tattooed GED".
 
2012-04-05 08:20:12 AM
Jesus! You guys are acting like it's the law of the land. It's corporate policy. Their plane, their rules. Military doesn't *get* to board first, they are invited by the plane owners (the company). This is no different than military discounts at Denny's, Busch Gardens, Disney etc.
 
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