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2012-04-05 06:16:22 AM

chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.


A million times this. But, why are the Ayers couple not on the Do Not Fly List?
 
2012-04-05 06:20:41 AM
He's got a point.

I served 8 year as a military officer two decades ago. People spit at me when I was in ROTC. Now they mindlessly gush "thank you for your service" when they find out I'm a veteran. When they find out I am a Federal Government Employee they spit at me again. Supporting the folks who do my former military job is seen as some sort of gold bricking gig, I guess.

Since I separated, military pay and benefits have increased at twice the rate of federal civilians. And equivalent rank and responsibility job pays about 60% more in the military. A Lt Col with 20 years of service makes around $140K a year and collects a $38K tax-free housing allowance if s/he works in DC. There are many, many other monetary benefits.

Budget wise, who else but DoD can be "cut" to the tune of a 2% increase per year by a "liberal" president? My support agency is getting cut again and our DoD customers are flabbergasted when we tell them our support is necessarily being limited.They're not reducing their effort and can't fathom why we would. Answer: it takes money and we don't have it.

As a federal civilian, I'm in the second year of a pay freeze with a House budget proposing another three years of freeze. It's been proposed that we pay more, (6% of our salary) towards our FERS pension, a system that represents only one-third of retirement income, the other two-thirds come from personal contributions (TSP) and social security. That works out to at least 47% of my retirement savings will be my own money. Gee, that doesn't sound like the deal the GOP has been describing.

My point isn't to bash the military. The point is federal jobs, like most working jobs in America, have been going backward for three decades now. Exempting the military from this trend is antithetical to the military ethos. You don't have to read much history to see where every society that has elevated the military to some exalted status has soon faded from the world stage.
 
2012-04-05 06:35:14 AM

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Because teachers don't include high risk of death on their job description.
 
2012-04-05 06:35:27 AM
This has been a great thread for updating my ignore list. Thanks Subby!
 
2012-04-05 06:36:14 AM
He suggested cancelling student debt and I know everyone disagrees with that...
 
2012-04-05 06:38:46 AM
Don't they let, like I dunno, the disabled, the elderly and families with kids board first?

After that who gives a damn?

I don't even WANT to board first. I want to spend as little time on board that crammy flying tube as possible. My seat is numbered so what's the rush?
 
2012-04-05 06:39:49 AM

Zmog: Don't they let, like I dunno, the disabled, the elderly and families with kids board first?

After that who gives a damn?

I don't even WANT to board first. I want to spend as little time on board that crammy flying tube as possible. My seat is numbered so what's the rush?


Some people need to board first because they didn't check their suitcase.
 
2012-04-05 06:40:58 AM

OBBN: electronicmaji: Ayers is right, the military only exists in America to kill innocent civilians in foreign countries. We are no at war. These are not heroes. They are not fighting for our freedom.

There whores, people who sell their bodies as weapons of death and destruction.

And the worst part about it is so man of them don't even realize it.

Two things come to mind reading your Weeners, you suck at being a troll. 1/10

Second, if you really feel this way you suck as a human being and as an American.


1. Not a troll.

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.
 
2012-04-05 06:41:14 AM

electronicmaji: Ayers is right, the military only exists in America to kill innocent civilians in foreign countries. We are no at war. These are not heroes. They are not fighting for our freedom.

There whores, people who sell their bodies as weapons of death and destruction.

And the worst part about it is so man of them don't even realize it.


5.5/10 - Slightly better than average, but still nothing to write home about.

The spelling errors seem a little too thought-out. Good try, though.
 
2012-04-05 06:42:03 AM

chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.


or start pointing back at him... with a shotgun...

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Because as a rule most teachers don't spend their day dodging bullets, rockets, and IEDs to prevent the madness from spreading to our soil?
 
2012-04-05 06:43:14 AM
Ah yes. The old "we need to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" canard.
 
2012-04-05 06:45:51 AM

kronicfeld: Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.


What article. I just saw a crappy blog. Stopped reading after the claims that he's an old confident of Obama and that he's a massive hero to the left.

Here's a hint, blogger; you actually had a good point and a legitimate thing to rip on Ayers about. You then threw it away with your lies and bullcrap.
 
2012-04-05 06:46:23 AM

electronicmaji: 1. Not a troll.


0/10. You might as well hold a big sign over your head that reads, "YES I AM A TROLL."

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.

[Citation needed]
 
2012-04-05 06:50:13 AM

DrippinBalls: Why aren't these two in jail?


dlb8685.files.wordpress.com
I don't know. Why aren't these two in jail?
 
2012-04-05 06:54:19 AM
As a world gold elite member of an unnamed airline (my job as an online journalist takes me to a lot of conventions) I've always been miffed that someone who spends his whole day and night riding and playing around with cool military equipment would want to spend those extra minute to get on before me. And then they wind up taking my overhead baggage space for my MacBooks.
 
2012-04-05 06:55:36 AM
This isn't really really a a topic people can debate rationally. I personally have some fear over the growing military fetishism in this country (watch any major sporting event, it looks like a recruiting video). However, if you use something like this plane boarding bs as an example, you come off as a douche and everyone gets upset. These kids in the military aren't the problem.
 
2012-04-05 06:59:25 AM
You let mil on the plane first for the same reason you let women on an elevator first: if there's something dangerous on the inside it'll get them first.
 
2012-04-05 06:59:32 AM

Spaced Lion: electronicmaji: 1. Not a troll.

0/10. You might as well hold a big sign over your head that reads, "YES I AM A TROLL."

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.

[Citation needed]


In the 1930s my country of second nationality banana farmers formed a union demanding higher wages from the United Fruit Company. The United States threatened to invade our country unless we put them down, and our army marched on them and shot 600 or so farmers.

20 years later the CIA had one of the leading liberal candidates for president, who rose to popularity because of his investigation of the matter, killed.

It plunged the nation into a 10 year war of infighting between the liberal elite and the conservative elite, followed by another 50 years of unending violence and drug trafficking that can all be tied back to the United States meddling in our affairs in order to protect her "interests" without giving a single fark what happens to the citizens of our country.
 
2012-04-05 07:00:13 AM
It's to check for booby traps. Same theory as buying a bunch of goats for a few silver pieces each and sending them down the dungeon hall first.
 
2012-04-05 07:02:03 AM
I know it sounds like this is a Fark Patriot thread, but I'll interject anyway. I've said this before, but I've noticed over the past year or so what I call Spoiled Veteran Syndrome. In my classes, there is usually at least one or two vets who have been pampered by the little things so much that they now expect the big things for free, too. Most of these vets were stationed in a foreign country, but never had any battle experience (those who have are often extremely nice and courteous). These vets--who worked in maintenance or as a cook--will start almost every comment off with, "Well, I'm an Iraq veteran..." which loosely translates to "Your argument is invalid." These discussions rarely had anything to do with war or violence in general. I even once had a student who had a late paper and argued that he should be able to turn in his assignments late because he "fought for [my] freedom."

Very bizarre. Of course, these guys are in the military, and as more and more vets come back, I have had the pleasure of meeting some incredible guys who have experience the worst. In some cases, their existence is day to day. In other cases, it has changed their personality radically. One of my favorite guys on campus is a good ol' country boy who went to Iraq and told me that he saw way too much suffering and is now active in a variety of charities. His politics have also changed from the "kill 'em all" philosophy to a very liberal perspective. Imagine a big guy with a blade of grass hanging out of his mouth waxing philosophically about the benefits of a world governing body. Pretty spectacular.
 
2012-04-05 07:03:13 AM
Maybe he thinks that unrepentant domestic terrorists should be allowed to board the plane first. I suggest asking the families of the Weather Underground's victims what they think about this.
 
2012-04-05 07:03:34 AM

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


If teachers regularly traveled in special "teacher" uniforms, and when they did so they were on orders from the federal govt you might have a point.


edmo: Since I separated, military pay and benefits have increased at twice the rate of federal civilians. And equivalent rank and responsibility job pays about 60% more in the military. A Lt Col with 20 years of service makes around $140K a year and collects a $38K tax-free housing allowance if s/he works in DC. There are many, many other monetary benefits.


If I recall correctly that divergence started in 01, when military started getting killed.

Sorry but there is no "equivalent rank and responsibility " for federal civilians. From grooming and appeareance standards to sending people in harms way it is apples and oranges.
 
2012-04-05 07:04:00 AM
Ayers was one of the people spitting on our troops when they came home from Vietnam. This man is a commie piece of shiat.
 
2012-04-05 07:05:52 AM
.violentsalvation.Traveling around all the time, living in airport USO lounges between flights because they can't really afford a motel, or there really isn't enough time to justify a motel, but ALMOST. After the 5th tour of duty in combat with all the goddamn connecting flights and they just want to get on the plane and see their families, I think us smug shiats can board second

As it happens "us smug shiats " are the reason these yahoos have a job maybe
 
2012-04-05 07:06:41 AM
I've taken a lot of trips on Southwest with military guys, never once saw any of them board first.

/Ex-Navy
//somehow the Navy always found a military flight for me to take
 
2012-04-05 07:08:25 AM

liam76: GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

If teachers regularly traveled in special "teacher" uniforms, and when they did so they were on orders from the federal govt you might have a point.


I forgot about a major one, a lot of the people wearing uniforms are coming form or going back to deployment.
 
2012-04-05 07:08:26 AM

Camus27: Ok, but how is this bad pay? It's near the national average, and throw in healthcare, free housing and meals, free education and 30 days off, this seems like a pretty good deal. There are many skilled and experienced people in this country who wish they had any job at all.


Well after taxes it's a lot closer for an E-6 with over 8 years to get about 22 to 23k per year after taxes (assuming that 40% of your pay goes out in taxes of all kinds: Federal, state, local, social security etc) or about 62 dollars per day. An 8 year E-6 is not all that common so that's probably at the high end of the scale but that's far enough in that they will probably be trying to make a career out of it. Healthcare is moot as any halfway decent job has medical coverage (and as I understand it the service member has to pay back into it nowadays but I may be mistaken on that and it's only their dependents that that happens with). Free housing and food only applies if you live in the barracks (or in some other sort of 100% military owned and subsidized housing) and only eat at the mess hall on base which is rare at that level. You do get food and housing allowances when you live off-base but it never covers actual costs but closer to about 80% or so unless you opt to live in a slum with four roommates. If you do occasionally eat at the mess hall you have to pay at the door, no free lunches there. You also get a stipend for uniform maintenance (did I mention that you have to buy your own uniforms in boot camp and buy new ones as you either out grow them or wear them out?)) that never covers your actual uniform costs.

After those factors are added up it's closer to $50 a day take home for a job that may require you to risk your life at any moment. From that you also pay for life insurance, any educational matching funds, car payments/insurance/gasoline (if you live off-base you are required to have reliable transportation 24/7). That's for a job that can regularly go up to 12 hours or more a day 7 days a week.

As far as the vacation goes yes you do get 30 days leave but you can't just take it all at once and you also cannot carry more than two years worth even if you tried to take leave and it was denied. There are no holidays, no overtime, no comp time and a restriction is some of your basic freedoms.

That's for someone who rose in the ranks faster than normal. Most guys get paid even less, sometimes a lot less depending on their job and how full the higher ranks are. Service members don't have it as easy as you seem to be trying to make it out to be. As far as the people that you mentioned that want a job like that they are more than welcome to go and sign on the dotted line for six years and start off at $1,400 a month (before taxes, uniform costs and so on) and have a go at it.
 
2012-04-05 07:09:22 AM
I really can't get outraged over what some crazy dipsh*t says.
 
2012-04-05 07:20:50 AM

electronicmaji: OBBN: electronicmaji: Ayers is right, the military only exists in America to kill innocent civilians in foreign countries. We are no at war. These are not heroes. They are not fighting for our freedom.

There whores, people who sell their bodies as weapons of death and destruction.

And the worst part about it is so man of them don't even realize it.

Two things come to mind reading your Weeners, you suck at being a troll. 1/10

Second, if you really feel this way you suck as a human being and as an American.

1. Not a troll.

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.



Really? I would tend to look upon our greatness as being built upon our success. I guess to someone like you, hard work and determination by our people is something to be frowned upon. Something tells me that you use that same logic to justify any shortcomimgs in your life. Someone at your work got a promotion? I am positive it wasn't because they worked hard and were an asset to the company. Nope, they stole it from someone else and capitalized on others misfortune. A neighbor has a better house than you? It must be they cheated their way into the home. Couldn't have been they worked harder, got a better education, were better at finances.

I didn't look at your profile, but if you aren't from the US then it sounds like you are a bitter citizen of a crappy country and need to justify it's inferior standing. If you are a US citizen, the you are an embarrassment and for some reason bothered that your country is a success. Perhaps you would feel better if you lived in a third world shiathole rather than the greatest country the world has ever known.

You see, America is a caring and giving nation. While certainly not perfect and not above making errors, we for the most part try to do the right things. If there is a disastor in the world, we are usually the first to respond. Got a nation that can't feed itself, chances are pretty good US aid is flowing into it. Have a rouge nation hell bent on conquering free nations? You can bet the first place those nations under assault turn to is the US to bail them out. Need a new technology? Chances are also good, the US is the one that is going to come up with the answer.

So excuse me if I take offense to your American hating attitude. If you don't live here, why don,'t you ask yourself what has the US done to help your liitle country? If you do live here, then how about giving some thanks to a nation and her citizens that have given you the shot at have a decent life, free from oppression and ripe with opportunity. If you are so unhappy with America as she is, then get on the ballot, become a leader and change things.
 
2012-04-05 07:22:31 AM
Military-Industrial Complex.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."
Dwight D. Eisenhower.

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
Dwight D. Eisenhower.
______________

/only idiots board the plane first when instead they could be chilling out in the boarding area in large and fairly comfortable seats. Clamoring to get into a tiny seat with no legroom won't get you to your destination faster - you'll just spend more time in a tiny seat with no legroom, probably with some lardass spilling over into your space.
 
2012-04-05 07:23:56 AM

Precision Boobery: Ayers might need to work on his delivery but he has a point: the military is fetishized in the U.S.. High school dropouts and felons who turned to the army as a last resort do not automatically become Captain America by putting on camo and going through basic. At best, they're choosing to perpetuate pointless, criminally expensive conflicts. At worst, they're looking forward to "bagging some (insert 'rag'- or 'sand'- based epithet here)".


With very rare exceptions, High School dropouts and felons aren't allowed in the military. And I've yet to meet anyone in the military who joined to bag someone, they might exist but most join for an assortment of other reasons.

Since the military is a necessary institution which every country possesses, you can' exactly blame soldiers for pointless conflicts. Blame politicians and the American people if you want to blame anyone for those conflicts. In fact, I'm sure part of the reason why soldiers get such small perks as being first in airports is because people feel guilty for sending soldiers off to fight and sometimes die in pointless criminally expensive conflicts.

I think most soldiers would trade first place in the airport for being less trigger happy with wars in the US.
 
2012-04-05 07:26:17 AM
If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.
 
2012-04-05 07:27:15 AM

liam76: GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

If teachers regularly traveled in special "teacher" uniforms, and when they did so they were on orders from the federal govt you might have a point.


edmo: Since I separated, military pay and benefits have increased at twice the rate of federal civilians. And equivalent rank and responsibility job pays about 60% more in the military. A Lt Col with 20 years of service makes around $140K a year and collects a $38K tax-free housing allowance if s/he works in DC. There are many, many other monetary benefits.

If I recall correctly that divergence started in 01, when military started getting killed.

Sorry but there is no "equivalent rank and responsibility " for federal civilians. From grooming and appeareance standards to sending people in harms way it is apples and oranges.


If I remember correctly, it was the civilians who were killed first in '01.

Everything after that was done by choice, not out of necessity.
 
2012-04-05 07:27:57 AM
Why do people get always get shiat when they criticize the creeping fascism in this country?

Check out #4 of the Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism (new window)

Bill Ayers is a hero. Except for brain-dead RW yahoos who have forgotten what America is supposed to represent.
 
2012-04-05 07:28:45 AM

Beerguy: It's called respect.

This is one little perk we can do for them that kinda says, "thanks for all that you do". For most troops, 90% of their tour of duty they will be in pretty shiaty conditions, the airport is the one place where maybe we can make them feel a little special...because they are.

It doesn't really cause anyone any inconvenience.

/Old Soldier


"Here, board the plane first" for the military is infantile and insulting if it's meant to be a sincere gesture of respect. Moreover, if someone deserves our respect, I'm cool with being inconvenienced and/or chipping in to show them our actual respect.

If you wanted to show members of the military respect, why not show it by not sending them off (repeatedly) to kill other humans, be shot at, bombed, and lose limbs and friends? Why not wait until a person is psychologically an adult before allowing him or her to join the military, then provide some training to help deal with trauma and mental health problems along with the training to be part of a giant killing machine? Why not ensure that these men and women who so deserve our respect aren't raped by other members of the military (and severely punish the guilty parties)?

I've no respect for the military, but the children who sign up are at least trying to do what they think is good and right don't deserve to be raped (no one does. ever.), don't have much/any real personal identity formed, yet (what 18-year-old does?), and rarely (if ever) seem to be prepared in advance for the psychological issues they will face (and offered adequate/effective follow-up care). And that's terrible.
 
2012-04-05 07:29:45 AM

Camus27: Ok, but how is this bad pay? It's near the national average, and throw in healthcare, free housing and meals, free education and 30 days off, this seems like a pretty good deal. There are many skilled and experienced people in this country who wish they had any job at all


Don't forget to throw in drug tests, unlimited working hours, the risk of getting shot at, being away from family and friends for months at a time, little to no authority as to when you can take that time off, little to no choice as to where you live (outside deployments), little to no recourse to bad management (who have far more power over your life than any boss in the civilian world), no recourse to sue if you are hurt on the job and I am sure there are a few more I am missing.
 
2012-04-05 07:30:36 AM
What farking difference does it make who gets on the plane first? It's not like the first guy on gets to where he's going any faster than the guy who gets on last.
 
2012-04-05 07:31:20 AM

Hill_Lord: If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.


If I thought you could read, I'd tell you to kiss my ass.
 
2012-04-05 07:33:21 AM

electronicmaji: Spaced Lion: electronicmaji: 1. Not a troll.

0/10. You might as well hold a big sign over your head that reads, "YES I AM A TROLL."

2. Don't give a fark. America is a country that has built it's success on the failures of other nations.

[Citation needed]

In the 1930s my country of second nationality banana farmers formed a union demanding higher wages from the United Fruit Company. The United States threatened to invade our country unless we put them down, and our army marched on them and shot 600 or so farmers.

20 years later the CIA had one of the leading liberal candidates for president, who rose to popularity because of his investigation of the matter, killed.

It plunged the nation into a 10 year war of infighting between the liberal elite and the conservative elite, followed by another 50 years of unending violence and drug trafficking that can all be tied back to the United States meddling in our affairs in order to protect her "interests" without giving a single fark what happens to the citizens of our country.


Then why don't you GTFO..really. Why do you live in a country you hate so much? So many like you, dragging the rest of the country down with the hatred of it. Oh you enjoy living here so much, and all that it has to offer, yet you hate it when convenient..hypocrite
 
2012-04-05 07:33:57 AM

Karac: What farking difference does it make who gets on the plane first? It's not like the first guy on gets to where he's going any faster than the guy who gets on last.


This. It is a courtesy extended by the individual airline. So sit down, shut up, you're all leaving at the same time comrade Ayers.
 
2012-04-05 07:34:44 AM
Any of you libtards that actually agree with these 2 terrorists, you're nothing but pieces of shiat yourselves. Learn the word respect, it might be usefull to you one day.
 
2012-04-05 07:35:08 AM
Because shut the fark up, you withered old freak.
 
2012-04-05 07:37:43 AM

Bio-nic: chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.

or start pointing back at him... with a shotgun...

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?

Because as a rule most teachers don't spend their day dodging bullets, rockets, and IEDs to prevent the madness from spreading to our soil?


Neither do most military personnel. Some do. The difference is that military personnel join up knowing that is supposed to be part of it. Teachers don't, yet some of them still go day after day to dangerous areas where the threat of violence is very real. They do it because they believe teaching is the best way to improve the future and contribute to society (I assume that because I really doubt they do it for the complementary Ferraris). To me, that is much more heroic. Way to lap up that jingoistic scaremongering spew and regurgitate without any attempt to process it. "madness from spreading to our soil"? Unless you're talking about bovine spongiform encephalopathy, that is really ridiculous.
 
2012-04-05 07:38:32 AM

festoon: Why do people get always get shiat when they criticize the creeping fascism in this country?


U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Does that about sum it up?
 
2012-04-05 07:39:51 AM

Beerguy: It's called respect.

This is one little perk we can do for them that kinda says, "thanks for all that you do". For most troops, 90% of their tour of duty they will be in pretty shiaty conditions, the airport is the one place where maybe we can make them feel a little special...because they are.

It doesn't really cause anyone any inconvenience.

/Old Soldier


I personally don't care that uniformed soldiers board first. It's a very small thing. But the reason it was done was not respect so much as:

Support the Troops!
Remember the Heroes!
Keep America Safe!
Lapel Flag Pin!
Weapons of Mass Destruction!
Freedom Isn't Free!
Islam Is Terror!
Security Trumps So-Called "Rights"!
Saddam Bad Man!
America Better!
Country First!
Bomb Iran Now!

And on and on and on. If you question something like this, then you're a whiny liberal douchebag. Sending the troops into a war on a false pretext? That's OK. Sending them without proper body armor? You fight wars with the military you have, not the military you want. Pictures of coffins? Banned. Thousands of deaths? Stuff happens.

And on and on and on.

But questioning the now-habitual practice of letting soldiers board first? You must be Bill Ayers, well-known America-hating bomber.

BILL AYERS. REV. WRIGHT. ENEMIES. SUPPORT THE TROOPS.

It's like 2005 all over again.
 
2012-04-05 07:40:12 AM

chiett: That's because Bill Ayers has never done anything for his country except to biatch about it.
I'm sure that he feels if he keeps pointing at other people no one will realize what a coward he really is.


That's not true. He also associated with terrorists that attempted to blow up the Police Station. He's essentially Al Queda with a more incompetent group of friends.

And he is buddies with our President.
 
2012-04-05 07:41:25 AM
Bet Obama feels the same way. he is just smart enough not to say it. Buddies for life and all.
 
2012-04-05 07:41:27 AM

DamnYankees: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.


I agree with a lot of what Ayers has to say, however military service is a sacrifice taken by people who believe in their country and generally are hoping to make things better and safer for the rest of us. If there is a problem with the military, it is in the misuse of its power not in the sacrifice of its rank and file. Most military service men and women are of the 99% not the 1% and we should be embracing them not questioning why they receive some minor special treatment.
 
2012-04-05 07:44:05 AM
It's amusing the frothing, rabid hatred Ayers gets for daring to state his opinion that soldiers are people, not gods.

My grandfather was an officer in the USCG, and I have respect for people with the desire to serve their country. But blind worship of the military DOES lead to some very nasty places. And merely enlisting does NOT make you a hero; your actions once enlisted do.
 
2012-04-05 07:44:47 AM

ryarger: If I remember correctly, it was the civilians who were killed first in '01.

Everything after that was done by choice, not out of necessity


Did the military choose it (the multiple wars since then)?

Like the choice of the govt or not they need to pay people in the military enough to keep joining and stay in.
 
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