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2012-04-05 03:45:42 AM
Er. It's not something I think about, but, ah... sure, why not ask the question, if it's part of a larger question/point about "Is America turning towards militarism as a symptom of decline."
 
2012-04-05 03:45:47 AM

namatad: CommieTaoist:

why are we fighting wars half-assed?
why are we not drafting?
why dont our wars have clear objectives and goals before we start shooting?

we should draft and have no deferments.
none at all
you dont want to use a gun? no problem, kitchen duty.
you have religious problems with war? no problem. chapel duty.
we need grunts to clean as much as shoot.

/sigh


That's a rhetorical question, right? If you have a draft, the government actually has to come up with a proper reason for going to war...
 
2012-04-05 03:45:49 AM

Zoomaster: My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down


It's a nice policy in an effort to CYA, but that seems like an overreach of the military's impingement on personal liberty.
 
2012-04-05 03:46:14 AM
But in that, I just want to suggest that I think that what looks very strong is often very weak. It is very weak. Even though, this military force, the United States is Sparta.
i0.kym-cdn.com

Now you've done it!!!

/did you spit while saying it?
 
2012-04-05 03:46:23 AM

rockforever: pickle65: Because someday China will get all hot and bothered over something, or North Korea will finally lose the last shred of sanity, or Russia will finally get tired of being "the country that used to be strong," or someone completely off the radar right now will attack the United States, and that guy in that uniform is the guy who will put himself in between you and the people that want to hurt you, even while you're asking stupid questions like that.

That's why

Cus only people in uniform can be heroic.


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1/10

Not cus they are the only one, just the most likely
 
2012-04-05 03:46:28 AM

Oznog: Also, I refute your assessment that the United States is "veralent". That's... not even a real word, BTW.


Maybe he meant "relevant" but had too much "vodak." It might also explain the entirety of his nigh-incoherent ranting.
 
2012-04-05 03:46:47 AM

opiumpoopy: namatad: CommieTaoist:

why are we fighting wars half-assed?
why are we not drafting?
why dont our wars have clear objectives and goals before we start shooting?

we should draft and have no deferments.
none at all
you dont want to use a gun? no problem, kitchen duty.
you have religious problems with war? no problem. chapel duty.
we need grunts to clean as much as shoot.

/sigh

That's a rhetorical question, right? If you have a draft, the government actually has to come up with a proper reason for going to war...


Weapons testing.
 
2012-04-05 03:47:32 AM

L33t Squirrel: Oznog: Also, I refute your assessment that the United States is "veralent". That's... not even a real word, BTW.

Maybe he meant "relevant" but had too much "vodak." It might also explain the entirety of his nigh-incoherent ranting.


I thought it was a strange misspelling of "violent".
 
2012-04-05 03:47:45 AM
I know a guy out here at my school who is in the Army ROTC who will fly in his ROTC uniform (no orders of course) to get these perks, pissed me off when I heard about it. This farker just taking advantage of this and not even in the real Army, just a toy soldier. I am perfectly fine with these perks, I encourage these perks, but I think people who haven't earned these perks who try to get them are nothing more than scumbags.

/Army Reservist who doesn't dress up to get perks
 
2012-04-05 03:47:50 AM
My wife has asked the same thing, and she actually has traveled while in uniform. She has told me it just makes her feel weird bordimg at the same time as all the people in wheelchairs and with kids when she's perfectly capable of waiting and getting on with everyone else with no trouble.
 
2012-04-05 03:47:56 AM
I don't really care. I prefer to board last. The less time I have to spend on the plane, the better.

By the way, I've always heard elderly, disabled and passengers with young kids board first. I never heard anything about uniformed military. I need to listen more closely next time.
 
2012-04-05 03:48:43 AM

Zoomaster: My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down


www.thereheis.com

And remember- Service Guarantees Extra Boarding Time... Extra Pretzels!
 
2012-04-05 03:50:02 AM

GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?


of course you don't. why would you?
 
2012-04-05 03:50:03 AM

Atomic Spunk: I don't really care. I prefer to board last. The less time I have to spend on the plane, the better.

By the way, I've always heard elderly, disabled and passengers with young kids board first. I never heard anything about uniformed military. I need to listen more closely next time.


You're probably not flying patriotic enough airlines. You're probably giving your money to America-hating airlines that fly to foreign countries. They probably have flights to France and Mexico.

You make me SICK.
 
2012-04-05 03:51:17 AM
Because fark you that's why.
 
2012-04-05 03:51:56 AM

DamnYankees: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

Why? That's his whole point. We are a militaristic society that honors people for joining up to an organization who's purpose it to kill people. It's one thing to recognize the importance of such an institution, it's another thing to fetishize it.


The Vietnam Veterans who came home after that war ended would like a word. Or you can ask your parents how far they could spit a lugie at people who gave their lives for their country.

Hate the war, not the people who served in it. I think if you ask most people who are in the military, they really don't want to die by some jackass with an AK-47 or IED in some backward country, 10,000 miles from home.
 
2012-04-05 03:52:08 AM

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Pretty simple. It's uniformed personnel. Meaning: under orders. I don't get to just flash my ID saying I served my time and get a bunch of special priveleges. And a soldier would get in a heap of trouble wearing a uniform unauthorized.

So uniformed personnel are assets of the State. And the State is effectively saying these assets getting to where they are going are a bit more important than your business trip or your vacation. And traveling military personnel often have deadlines that even an hour's delay could start making trouble for you even if you have a valid excuse.

There is one good point though, why do they board first? That isn't going to get them there any faster? Although it would make sense that they depart the plane first.

/ spent 8 years in, don't remember this "privelege"
// though i do remember the military discount on airline fees being higher than regular price. That always made me laugh.
 
2012-04-05 03:53:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Those in first and business class as well as small children and parents of those small children should be boarding first.

The plane is taking off when everyone's aboard. You're not getting home faster because you boarded first.

Sit back and wait until your row is called.


Conversely you could just let them board first. You're not getting home any faster because you boarded after them.

Tossing aside the whole showing some respect issue that's been adequately covered above, service members tend to have carry on baggage that's a bit bulkier than most (but still within airline regulations). Letting them get the perk of boarding first ensures that they can stow their gear safely and not crush your carry on by trying to stuff it in to the overhead compartment on top of your laptop and iPod. You should be happy that the airline is looking out for the material well being of your expensive gadgets. Look at it that way and just let it go man. Anything else and you look like a whining douchebag to normal people.
 
2012-04-05 03:55:03 AM

eyehate: El_Frijole_Blanco: You only pulled 12 hour shifts on the flight deck? What a puss

\\\\ Former V2 green shirt

As rule. But if GQ was called away, that could bump up to a fourteen or fifteen hour day.

Former V3 blue shirt. I was TAD to V1 for a WestPac, my chief forgot he sent me, and then damage control in my home division for the remainder of my service.

Just glad I wasn't a grape.


My wife was a nuke on a carrier, and now a Navy nurse. So to us, ya'll are just a bunch of Skittles anyway.
 
2012-04-05 03:55:18 AM
Because they are the best of the best. With honors...SIR!

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2012-04-05 03:55:51 AM
Who is Roy Rogers and why am I wearing a diaper?
 
2012-04-05 03:56:54 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: L33t Squirrel: Oznog: Also, I refute your assessment that the United States is "veralent". That's... not even a real word, BTW.

Maybe he meant "relevant" but had too much "vodak." It might also explain the entirety of his nigh-incoherent ranting.

I thought it was a strange misspelling of "violent".


I'm pretty sure he meant "virulent". Actually, since these were his spoken words, the error is probably on the fault of the transcriber. You go to Alabama, Texas, Minnesota, etc, you'll find words all over which should be spelled differently if written as-spoken, but you "know what they meant".

If you are uncertain which word was spoken, you shouldn't just make up a NEW word which doesn't exist to fit what it most sounded like. If you believe they definitely spoke a word in error, you can [sic] it as annotation if you really want to convey the way it was spoken without being accused of mistranscribing it yourself.
 
2012-04-05 03:57:27 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Atomic Spunk: I don't really care. I prefer to board last. The less time I have to spend on the plane, the better.

By the way, I've always heard elderly, disabled and passengers with young kids board first. I never heard anything about uniformed military. I need to listen more closely next time.

You're probably not flying patriotic enough airlines. You're probably giving your money to America-hating airlines that fly to foreign countries. They probably have flights to France and Mexico.

You make me SICK.


Air Muhammad has the best fares around. You can't really blame a guy for trying to economize in this tough economy.
 
2012-04-05 03:59:32 AM
Duh, so they can get to where they're going sooner.
 
2012-04-05 04:00:10 AM

namatad: kronicfeld: Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.

I HATE BUSH.
I HATE the stupid wars we have fought.
I HATE the GOP and the jingoistic fascists that they have become.

BUT I totally have no problem with military boarding first. FFS.
Some of them will die for MY country.
I have infinite respect for that.
Some of my best friends, a recent ex-gf, all serve in one branch or another.
These are the best. (and yes, some military are the worst of the worst, but we are not talking about them)

The people on the far left are just as farking stupid as the people on the far right.
sigh


Briefly reviewed the article. Was previously active in the Armed Services. Two points:

1) Personnaly, I don't care when I board - I understand a plane has very narrow aisles, and having people board in any other order than "Back to Front" creates congestion in the aisles and makes it longer to board for everyone. However, if people like it, and Uniformed Soldiers take advantage of it, who cares? Its not like they're kicking everyone else off the plane, or forcing them to give up their seat.

2) Bill Ayers comes off as a HUGE dick taking something as small as a military discount or privilege and dragging out until now we are in a militarized society resembling ancient Sparta. If you want to critizise something, produce real facts and figures, not just hyperbole.

I'm not saying the Military is perfect, or doesn't make mistakes. Hell, it makes a decent amount of them. But that doesn't mean we're all doomed to a totalitarian state.
 
2012-04-05 04:00:34 AM
My Brother dislikes going to places like the airport in uniform because his reasoning is if something happens (ie terrorist attack) he'd be the first one taken out and what good can he be then?

But the one time he flew in uniform they upgrade him to first class which he very much appreciated.

As his family we did too.

/USMC
//just got home from Afghanistan
 
2012-04-05 04:02:37 AM

Cataholic: ps...for most of these guys, a teacher's salary would be a nice raise.


Teachers can't retire after twenty years with full benefits.
 
2012-04-05 04:03:09 AM

GAT_00: MBK: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Because they deserve it?

He's got a point. Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?


Well, they always said Teachers build the future of this country. Well, the future is here, and they did a shiatty job.

Most teachers take the job because it's easy and they have summers off. In fact, they have 185 days off, not including sick and personal days. Also excellent health coverage. Sick and personal days can be saved from year to year and they can retire early, or they can get the cash for them..I'm sure you have that at your job, right? Sure, there are a few who go above and beyond, but most don't give a shiat. I've been given an A just for not causing trouble (he straight out said the first day, you want an A, just keep doing what you're doing and don't bother me). I've had teachers that spent the entire class talking about their personal life, every single day. It was so easy, the kids knew alls they had to do was get him started on a subject, and he was off. I've had teachers studying their books during class while trying to work on their next occupation. There were sexual molesters, even a rapist in High School

Link (new window)

And they all love to teach about socialism, that is, until it's pay raise time. They don't care that money isn't in the budget, they want it now. I've sat class while a group of teachers talked over their walkout and strike strategy. I heard from their lips that they don't care about the students, and that finals are coming up.

This shiat, where every warm body that takes a teachers job should suddenly be upgraded to saint hood, it's bullshiat. It's a job and nothing more.
 
2012-04-05 04:03:12 AM
I have always wondered why it is a liberal thing to shiat on the military.
 
2012-04-05 04:03:57 AM

GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?


Look I am by no means pro military, but for fark sake the soldiers are not the problem, they have enough shiat to deal with. Give them at least some respect for the shiat they do.
 
2012-04-05 04:05:22 AM
weknowmemes.com
 
2012-04-05 04:05:44 AM

Zoomaster: My daughter is in the US Air Force and she told me they cannot fly in uniform unless it is under official orders. Even then, if they are offered a free upgrade to first class or even an extra bag of pretzels they have to turn it down. The AF doesn't want people complaining that the government is paying for first class.

/even if they announce on the intercom that it is a free upgrade, they have to turn it down


When I was in back during the 80's it wasn't so much that we were told to not wear our uniforms unless under orders as it was that the uniforms tend to get a bit uncomfortable to wear for hours or even a full day straight and then getting them wrinkled up from sitting for so long just meant another expense at the dry cleaners. The only "Orders" about flying that we had was that if we were off duty and overseas it was a good idea to spring for a civilian passport (blue) out of our own pocket and not use a military passport (red) or a military ID if we could get away with it.

No orders on free upgrades or anything else though but then again this was only a few years after Vietnam and while there were some airline personnel who would "Buy" us an inflight beer but for the most part we were just ignored and sat there like cattle just like everyone else in coach.
 
2012-04-05 04:05:48 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7033525/76018866#c76018866" target="_blank">MBrady</a>:</b> <i>Hate the war, not the people who served in it.</i>

God that statement makes me sick. See how quickly not agreeing with preferential treatment turns into "you must hate the respected"? 80 posts?

Nobody should be GRANTED preferential treatment if you want to try to entertain the image of an equal society. Period. Either live the standard or at least admit you believe in exceptions (because you know, some people are more entitled because of whatever justification you use to trivialize your own states beliefs).
 
2012-04-05 04:07:55 AM
www.sadgeezer.com
 
2012-04-05 04:08:17 AM

Rozotorical: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Look I am by no means pro military, but for fark sake the soldiers are not the problem, they have enough shiat to deal with. Give them at least some respect for the shiat they do.


Thanks, man.

www.japersonalfinance.com
/hot
//a check, but no
///but yeah
////but no
//but yeah
 
2012-04-05 04:09:52 AM
Because f*ck you, civvy.

/dad was drafted, said any military officer is welcome to board any military transport flight... for free, or for $1, I honestly forget, but he did say you gotta wear your military uniform.

So officers who've served in the military can get cheap flights to anywhere the military flies. (Everywhere.)
 
2012-04-05 04:14:43 AM
Hang out with wounded vets. It will change you for the better. Many of these kids are 'aw shucks' and humble. They chose military as a career for a myriad of reasons. I have zero problem with decreased military presence on foreign soil. I hate war. The young people in our military are the kids next door. I am proud of their service. I was invited by an old high school friend to go to a protestant church service honoring 'Wounded Warriors'. They were the nicest bunch of kids (and their families) I could ever hope to meet. Every race and background. When they told their stories it got dusty.

I know military areas generally vote GOP, partly because of GOP's history of increased military spending. However, Democrats are just as likely to worry about funding Veteran's benefits. There are between 700 and 1,000 US military bases around the globe. Hard to get 'accurate' figures because what exactly constitutes a 'base'. I would not mind seeing that number GREATLY reduced. I've got a few friends overseas and three nephews in military. I'm a progressive liberal, but the young people in the military are welcome to board a plane before me. I understand the point Ayers was trying to make, but this just came across as petty whining.
 
2012-04-05 04:14:55 AM
America reveres its military too much. Some day it's going to come back to bite them.
 
2012-04-05 04:15:14 AM

echolimakilo: I know a guy out here at my school who is in the Army ROTC who will fly in his ROTC uniform (no orders of course) to get these perks, pissed me off when I heard about it. This farker just taking advantage of this and not even in the real Army, just a toy soldier. I am perfectly fine with these perks, I encourage these perks, but I think people who haven't earned these perks who try to get them are nothing more than scumbags.

/Army Reservist who doesn't dress up to get perks


I was in the Air Force ROTC in college, I used to wear my uniform to buy beer because they would never card me. That was the extent of taking advantage of anything.
 
2012-04-05 04:15:38 AM

Standard Deviant: I have always wondered why it is a liberal thing to shiat on the military.


Suggesting that teachers and nurses are worthy of the same respect as soldiers is "shiatting on the military?"
 
2012-04-05 04:16:18 AM

urban.derelict: Because f*ck you, civvy.

/dad was drafted, said any military officer is welcome to board any military transport flight... for free, or for $1, I honestly forget, but he did say you gotta wear your military uniform.

So officers who've served in the military can get cheap flights to anywhere the military flies. (Everywhere.)


Your dad is a retard. Learn to live with it champ.
 
2012-04-05 04:16:26 AM
Holy crap! I actually agree with alot with what he said.
And before i get jumped, Yes, i was in the military 7 1/2 years Marines.
 
2012-04-05 04:19:18 AM

GAT_00: Why do we say the military deserves special recognition yet teachers don't?



Because my younger brother is a high school teacher and I'll be damned if he gets on the plane before I do.

/I keed.
//Kind of.
 
2012-04-05 04:21:31 AM

Jack9: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7033525/76018866#c76018866" target="_blank">MBrady</a>:</b> <i>Hate the war, not the people who served in it.</i>

God that statement makes me sick. See how quickly not agreeing with preferential treatment turns into "you must hate the respected"? 80 posts?

Nobody should be GRANTED preferential treatment if you want to try to entertain the image of an equal society. Period. Either live the standard or at least admit you believe in exceptions (because you know, some people are more entitled because of whatever justification you use to trivialize your own states beliefs).


Respect asshole, it has nothing to do with equality. You do these things because you have respect for them.
 
2012-04-05 04:22:11 AM

namatad: kronicfeld: Lack of RTFA is strong in this thread.

I HATE BUSH.
I HATE the stupid wars we have fought.
I HATE the GOP and the jingoistic fascists that they have become.

BUT I totally have no problem with military boarding first. FFS.
Some of them will die for MY country.
I have infinite respect for that.
Some of my best friends, a recent ex-gf, all serve in one branch or another.
These are the best. (and yes, some military are the worst of the worst, but we are not talking about them)

The people on the far left are just as farking stupid as the people on the far right.
sigh


For some reason i thought of :

Men, you're lucky men. Soon you will all be fighting for your planet. Many of you will be dying for your planet. A few of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet. They will be the luckiest of all.
images2.fanpop.com
 
2012-04-05 04:22:46 AM

L33t Squirrel: /that and the smell of CLP make me feel warm and fuzzy


You are seriously farked in the head!
roflmao
/if i never smell it again it will be too soon
 
2012-04-05 04:23:09 AM

mr lawson: Holy crap! I actually agree with alot with what he said.
And before i get jumped, Yes, i was in the military 7 1/2 years Marines.


Odd, I couldnt find one thing I agreed with.

/ yes, teachers deserve respect. No, they dont deserve as much respect as military members in times of war. If you don't believe me, ask most teachers, they will agree.
 
2012-04-05 04:23:44 AM
Ayers has a point. Strange thing is that I (a veteran) was arguing this with my sister (a teacher) when she forwarded a facebook post about how we all need to thank soldiers for our freedom. The last soldiers to do anything for American freedom fought in WWII which was the last time that we were attacked by a foreign nation. Yeah I know. 9/11!!! But the wars that we've fought as a response to 9/11 have not been against the men who perpetrated that attack. Any teacher who is doing a good job teaching our kids to grow up and be effective citizens is doing more to perpetuate the freedom that we enjoy than any soldier currently fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq.

We do live in a militarized society where the military is deified and sacrificed at the same time. Since the 50s we've maintained a huge standing army and it has changed us as a country. Now we've been at war for over 10 years and it has changed our soldiers. The only ones being served by these changes are war profiteers and fascists. Our soldiers and our civilians suffer.

You want to do a soldier a favor? Don't put a flag sticker on your car. Don't get pissed every time some appropriations bill gets held up. Write your congressman demanding that they come home immediately. Make our government start spending 1/10th of what they spend on tanks and missiles on education and healthcare.
 
2012-04-05 04:24:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rozotorical: GAT_00: I don't see the point either. Really, why?

Look I am by no means pro military, but for fark sake the soldiers are not the problem, they have enough shiat to deal with. Give them at least some respect for the shiat they do.

Thanks, man.

[www.japersonalfinance.com image 617x818]
/hot
//a check, but no
///but yeah
////but no
//but yeah


It could be because the massive amounts of pain meds I am on right now but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
 
2012-04-05 04:25:45 AM

farkityfarker: America reveres its military too much. Some day it's going to come back to bite them.


actually, it is because of Vietnam. people felt bad for being dicks to the soldiers that had no choice but to be sent around the world to kill babies. They were drafted. Now people don't want to be that way again so nobody says anything bad about the military in general.

i don't know if that is historically how pro-military regimes are created, but i don't think so. America is all about whatever is the right thing RIGHT NOW. i wouldn't take too much to be %100 anti military again.
 
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