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(PC Magazine)   550,000 infections later, Apple decides it's time to pretend to care about security again. Minimisation and Wharrgarble to the right   (securitywatch.pcmag.com) divider line 196
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2012-04-04 04:27:26 PM  
Naa, they'll just put some more "Apple VS PC" ads out to fool the rich & retarded. I mean this IS Apple we're talking about, honesty would likely make them burst into flames.
 
2012-04-04 04:29:39 PM  
Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...
 
2012-04-04 04:31:36 PM  
I once doused a macbook with holy water, it erupted in a chorus of strange noises before burning up in a cloud of smoke. Clearly they are evil.
 
2012-04-04 04:32:42 PM  

suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...


No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.
 
2012-04-04 04:33:52 PM  
What a coincidence, I've had sex with exactly 550,000 hot and willing women.
 
2012-04-04 04:33:55 PM  
500k so about 1% of all Apple computers?
 
2012-04-04 04:34:09 PM  
Um, this story is not true. Authorized Apple Fan Site #244 has already debunked this, pointing out that "Macs do not get viruses because of the boot code." The only malicious software involved in this story is the program used to write this slanderous article. I hope Apple sues these guys into oblivion, and I'm going to go purchase another iPad to help fund the legal team that Apple will send after them. I will be doing an unboxing of this iPad and its world-famous "retina display" on Authorized Apple Fan Site #217, if you are interested.
 
2012-04-04 04:38:21 PM  
Wharrgarble?!

/amidoingitrite?
 
2012-04-04 04:38:49 PM  
Or here's an idea: Don't install java. It's one of the primary attack vectors for malware and trojans across all platforms. The funny part is that you don't need it. I haven't had it installed at work or at home for years and there's no point to installing it when it's just another way to break into your machine.
 
2012-04-04 04:40:01 PM  
What's a folder tree?
 
2012-04-04 04:41:13 PM  
Idiots are idiots-regardless of the OS they use.
If you download stuff fom sketchy sites, give it your admin password during installation-there's not much that can be done for you.
 
2012-04-04 04:44:35 PM  

Carth: 500k so about 1% of all Apple computers?


About 12% of their quarterly sales for desktops/laptops. Considering their historical rate of growth & sales, that's probably around 5% of all Apple computers were infected with this.
 
2012-04-04 04:46:32 PM  

MrSteve007: Carth: 500k so about 1% of all Apple computers?

About 12% of their quarterly sales for desktops/laptops. Considering their historical rate of growth & sales, that's probably around 5% of all Apple computers were infected with this.


Ah ok. I was just going by 10 million macs sold last year and a 5 year life cycle.
 
2012-04-04 04:46:37 PM  

Theaetetus: No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.


this.

or, put another way, an armored car is only secure if you don't leave the door open and the engine running.
 
2012-04-04 04:50:26 PM  

Theaetetus: suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...

No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.


I admit I only have my GED in programming, but I do understand that a virus, trojan, worm, etc are not the same thing. Also that antivirus, firewall, etc are different. As far as the average user is concerned, "my computer has protections to keep bad things from getting inside." All the Apple users I know (well, at least 98% for sure) think that Apples are impervious to any type of intrusion, based on their inherent design and OS.
 
M-G
2012-04-04 04:51:42 PM  
On the plus side of Apple doing their own Java builds, I don't have to deal with every Java update trying to install a new browser toolbar....
 
2012-04-04 04:54:15 PM  

M-G: On the plus side of Apple doing their own Java builds, I don't have to deal with every Java update trying to install a new browser toolbar....


Ugh, this whole Java getting it's certificate revoked thing is going to be hell for me at work. Lot's of updating for those that need it, lots of uninstalling Ask.com toolbars for those that allow it up update automatically.

Unfortunately we have software that requires JRE to operate.
 
2012-04-04 04:55:30 PM  

FlashHarry: Theaetetus: No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.

this.

or, put another way, an armored car is only secure if you don't leave the door open and the engine running.


But what if the armored car company claims that their armored cars are more secure? To the average consumer that means that it's more secure NO MATTER WHAT. It is a stupid assumption to make, but it gets made anyway.

/typed on my mac - so there.
 
2012-04-04 04:56:54 PM  
FTA: Russian security firm Dr. Web (Google Translate) claimed over 550,000 Macs have been infected with this version of Flashback.

well, if dr. web claims it's true - it must be true!
 
2012-04-04 04:57:45 PM  

CaptainCliche: t is a stupid assumption to make, but it gets made anyway.


which was my point - that you cannot protect a computer against user stupidity.
 
2012-04-04 05:02:25 PM  

CaptainCliche: But what if the armored car company claims that their armored cars are more secure? To the average consumer that means that it's more secure NO MATTER WHAT. It is a stupid assumption to make, but it gets made anyway.

/typed on my mac - so there.


It's a stupid argument.

It's true that OS X tends to be more secure simply due to the fact that it has the UNIX foundation to build on.

But there's no system that is totally protected against users installing trojans on it or compromising it in some other fashion.

Anything beyond those two statements is something for 14 year olds to argue about over cheetos and rootbeer in their parents' basement.

/apple does have anti-malware systems in OS X, they just don't tend to make a big hullaballoo out of it
 
2012-04-04 05:03:00 PM  
Use Chrome instead of Safari and then click the x when "The java plugin needs permission to run" warning comes up when you don't expect it to.

How hard is that?
 
2012-04-04 05:03:08 PM  
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2012-04-04 05:04:42 PM  

FlashHarry: FTA: Russian security firm Dr. Web (Google Translate) claimed over 550,000 Macs have been infected with this version of Flashback.

well, if dr. web claims it's true - it must be true!


www.yourfunnystuff.com
 
2012-04-04 05:05:59 PM  
Are the versions for 10.4 and 10.5 secure?
 
2012-04-04 05:06:45 PM  

Carth: 500k so about 1% of all Apple computers?


Ah, I see the headline was right, good.. good.
 
2012-04-04 05:10:33 PM  

suburbanguy: I admit I only have my GED in programming, but I do understand that a virus, trojan, worm, etc are not the same thing. Also that antivirus, firewall, etc are different. As far as the average user is concerned, "my computer has protections to keep bad things from getting inside." All the Apple users I know (well, at least 98% for sure) think that Apples are impervious to any type of intrusion, based on their inherent design and OS.


Ooh. You are tangling with thaetetus on an anti-apple subject. Prepare to have your hair split into multiple wigs. If your beginning position does not start with the infallibility of his favorite electronics purveyor then you're just wrong. But he can be nuanced - if it's about sales and income topics, then yes, apple designed and built the whole thing. If it's about a problem with an apple product, then forget about the last sentence - the problem by definition must stem from a subcontractor/supplier, not apple itself because see point # 1.
 
2012-04-04 05:21:45 PM  
Wow, so Apple released a patch for a product they said they stopped supporting back in 2010. That's pretty good customer service, right there.
 
2012-04-04 05:25:14 PM  

Theaetetus: suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...

No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.


Considering that this is a push-trojan/no user interaction required, what is the qualitative difference?
 
2012-04-04 05:27:34 PM  

t3knomanser: Wow, so Apple released a patch for a product they said they stopped supporting back in 2010. That's pretty good customer service, right there.


Microsoft was (still is?) releasing security updates for XP for a LONG time after "support" had stopped.

/Dad's desktop needs to die soon.
//Preferably about 2 years from now, so I can pass on my box (minus some of the parts), and build a new one.
 
2012-04-04 05:27:40 PM  
How retarded. This was a Java bug with all platforms but then the article starts jumping out and down about how it's an Apple problem.

/ flame on
// have never used A/V on windows or Mac
/// never gotten a virus or trojan
//// because I'm not an idiot
 
2012-04-04 05:29:17 PM  

notShryke: Theaetetus: suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...

No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.

Considering that this is a push-trojan/no user interaction required, what is the qualitative difference?


I'm gonna guess...spelling?
 
2012-04-04 05:29:39 PM  

cfreak: How retarded. This was a Java bug with all platforms but then the article starts jumping out and down about how it's an Apple problem.

/ flame on
// have never used A/V on windows or Mac
/// never gotten a virus or trojan
//// because I'm not an idiot


Apple controls the security patch process for their OS. Did you read the article?
 
zez
2012-04-04 05:37:43 PM  
So is there any way to tell if you have it or not?
 
2012-04-04 05:38:22 PM  

notShryke: Theaetetus: suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...

No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.

Considering that this is a push-trojan/no user interaction required, what is the qualitative difference?


You wear trojans to stop viruses. Its a little uncomfy at work but my computer runs fine.

/I'm thinking he's going to browbeat on how the human has to visit the site that wants to exploit java and how once the system is infected the payload doesn't try to spread from that system to another by piggy backing like a virus nor does it start sending out copies of itself to infect others like a worm variant.
 
2012-04-04 05:38:53 PM  

cfreak: How retarded. This was a Java bug with all platforms but then the article starts jumping out and down about how it's an Apple problem.

/ flame on
// have never used A/V on windows or Mac
/// never gotten a virus or trojan
//// because I'm not an idiot


You don't HAVE to be an idiot these days. Someone gets an infected ad past the filters, you're infected. Someone uses a security hole to own a web server that you visit, you're infected. You don't have to be stupid. It helps, but it's not required.

/Microsoft Security Essentials. Free and Good Enough.
//Would be willing to bet that you are infected with something (however tiny) and don't know it. The days of the "Pillage and Burn" virus are mostly over (though the "Hostage" variant is alive and well), and have been replaced by botnet viruses that use you as a spam farm, and steal tiny bits of your CPU and network connection.
///Would love to know what Apple wants to replace Java with.
 
2012-04-04 05:45:41 PM  
Is there ANY os that is not immune to malware? Didn't think so. Derp on.
 
2012-04-04 05:48:22 PM  

theurge14: What a coincidence, I've had sex with exactly 550,000 hot and willing women.


How about unwilling ones?
 
2012-04-04 05:52:04 PM  

notShryke: Theaetetus: suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...

No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.

Considering that this is a push-trojan/no user interaction required, what is the qualitative difference?


It's not a push. You can leave your machine on a public network, idling away for days, and you'll never get hit with this. You have to visit the site to download it. And then, although it can install in a limited way* if the user doesn't supply a password, the user still sees (and has to interact with) a password permissions box. Hence, trojan, not a virus.

*not entirely sure what it does if it never gets permissions... The article says "it's resident on the machine," but so is a text file. That doesn't mean all text files are trojans. I also can't find any other source that discusses what its effect is if you don't put in your password, other than taking up some kb of storage.
 
2012-04-04 05:52:37 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-04 06:03:54 PM  

Theaetetus: suburbanguy: Why would Apple do that? Macs can't get viruses.

Oh, you mean all the Mac owners that tell me that are wrong?...

No, they're right. You just don't understand the difference between a virus and a trojan.


Neither do all the people who insist that PC's are infected with virii on an hourly basis, and their Mac is still as clean as their Altar Boy's butthole.

The point is that Malware attacks occur on Macs, and Apple drags their feet, denies that they are occurring, and instruct their employees specifically NOT to tell their customers how to remove the potential infections.

Thank God I only use the Bootcamp partition on my work laptop now. I actually have virus protection for that, and I don't have to worry about the computer manufacturer practicing obstructionist tactics while the infections pile up.
 
2012-04-04 06:14:55 PM  
As far as the armored car analogy goes...

When Apple sells you an armored car, you get an armored car. It's a little pricey, but it comes with everything you need. Armor. Locks. A reliable engine. Shotguns under the seats.

If Microsoft sold you an armored car, you get something that slips into a pickup bed. The truck they recommend is an SUV, which would have to customized first. The price they quote you as "competitive" is for a sub-compact car. If you buy one "fully equipped", you can still make out the "U-Haul" stencils on the side.

As far as this "virus" goes, it doesn't hold a candle to the nastiest of the Windows viruses. I remember the bad old days when you would plug a new install of XP into the network, and before you could even download the updates it would be PWNED. No extra software, just a base install.
 
2012-04-04 06:24:00 PM  

Mikey1969: The point is that Malware attacks occur on Macs, and Apple drags their feet, denies that they are occurring, and instruct their employees specifically NOT to tell their customers how to remove the potential infections.


Oh, this myth again? No - Apple tells their employees not to futz with non-Apple software... as they should. Can you imagine how many people would be screaming if the story were "Apple employees deleting non-Apple software from machines brought in for repair"?
 
2012-04-04 06:36:49 PM  

Theaetetus: Oh, this myth again? No - Apple tells their employees not to futz with non-Apple software... as they should. Can you imagine how many people would be screaming if the story were "Apple employees deleting non-Apple software from machines brought in for repair"?


Sorry dude, I work with a guy who works for the Apple Store, and for the big one last year, he did confirm that they were instructed to not answer any questions. I can't remember the infection, but after about 3 weeks they were told it was OK to acknowledge not only how to fix it, but that the thing actually existed in the first place.
 
2012-04-04 06:39:59 PM  
"Russian security firm Dr. Web"

As in...the guys who wrote the trojan?
 
2012-04-04 06:41:46 PM  
This is why you don't instal just any bullsh*t you find on the internet.
 
2012-04-04 06:44:11 PM  

Theaetetus: Oh, this myth again? No - Apple tells their employees not to futz with non-Apple software...


Heh. Exactly what I said he'd say.
 
2012-04-04 06:48:26 PM  

Mikey1969: Theaetetus: Oh, this myth again? No - Apple tells their employees not to futz with non-Apple software... as they should. Can you imagine how many people would be screaming if the story were "Apple employees deleting non-Apple software from machines brought in for repair"?

Sorry dude, I work with a guy who works for the Apple Store, and for the big one last year, he did confirm that they were instructed to not answer any questions. I can't remember the infection, but after about 3 weeks they were told it was OK to acknowledge not only how to fix it, but that the thing actually existed in the first place.


... I'm not sure how that's different from what I said. Apple told its employees not to go around deleting software that wasn't Apple-manufactured and not to investigate such non-Apple software to determine if a machine was infected. Like, say you bought a car, and then you had an aftermarket CD player put in. And then a crappy CD got stuck in it. You wouldn't expect to go to the car dealer and have them start pulling the CD out with a pair of pliers, potentially damaging the CD player, and it wouldn't be a huge shock if the dealership instructed their mechanics not to mess with third-party CD players, or even confirm that the CD was stuck.
 
2012-04-04 06:51:34 PM  

cfreak:
/ flame on
// have never used A/V on windows or Mac
/// never gotten a virus or trojan
//// because I'm not an idiot


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-04 06:52:55 PM  

meyerkev: Microsoft was (still is?) releasing security updates for XP for a LONG time after "support" had stopped.


I'm mostly trolling, but the honest truth is that Apple shouldn't have patched Java- they should have just released a patch that removed it from your system.
 
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