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(Telegraph)   Research indicates intelligent people take less sick leave   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 102
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2012-04-03 09:25:29 PM  
Intelligent people tend to take better care of themselves.
 
2012-04-03 11:40:44 PM  
In the 1946 group, 47 per cent of those who were on long-term sick leave had been in the bottom quarter of childhood ability, compared to 13 per cent who were in the highest category.

People in the bottom quarter have the shiattiest jobs. This should be titled "people with the shiattiest jobs take the most sick leave," but if they did so people would go well, DUH, and no one would pay attention, and there'd be no Fark thread, and no photoshops comparing intelligent and stupid cats.
 
2012-04-03 11:51:22 PM  
Intelligent people are more likely to work in jobs where they can just say "Fark it, I'm not going in today" and no one questions them.
 
2012-04-04 12:17:56 AM  
Seems to be more about long term sick leave than calling in for a day here and there.
 
2012-04-04 02:07:04 AM  
Intelligent people also tend to work in fields that don't allow as much freedom to take a sick day. (No one else knows a specific system or policy, the backup isn't secure/safe, etc)
 
2012-04-04 02:47:49 AM  

SJKebab: Intelligent people are more likely to work in jobs where they can just say "Fark it, I'm not going in today" and no one questions them can do a damn thing about it.

 
2012-04-04 02:53:20 AM  
I'm "working at home" today and lying in my bed posting on Fark, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-04-04 02:53:29 AM  
this sounds stupid.
 
2012-04-04 02:56:29 AM  
And really, do they mean intelligent or educated? Since they seem to be recommending better education, will that help? Being knowledgeable certainly puts you in a better situation for finding alternate employment, but doesn't necessarily mean you're any more intelligent, beyond proving that you meet the minimum requirement to comprehend said education.
 
2012-04-04 02:56:30 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Intelligent people also tend to work in fields that don't allow as much freedom to take a sick day. (No one else knows a specific system or policy, the backup isn't secure/safe, etc)


Yep. I work mostly with PhDs, usually in 60+ hr workweeks, and I'll be damned if they take regular vacations.

One guy has been with the company for 5 years, works 80+ hours a week regularly. He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.
 
2012-04-04 02:58:43 AM  
Stupid people become afraid when they fall ill. Like a wounded animal they cower and hide. Intelligent people understand what's wrong with them, do what's necessary to help themselves and otherwise create as little hassle for themselves and others* as possible.

*See also: theory of mind, courtesy
 
2012-04-04 02:59:41 AM  

Arbitrator: He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.


Should think he had more than 10 hours. :) Maybe I'm just used to my 6 weeks standard in Norway, though they can be difficult to use up.
 
2012-04-04 03:05:02 AM  
Research indicates intelligent people take less fewer sick leave.
 
2012-04-04 03:09:45 AM  
Reading that article gave me a headache. I've got to lay down awhile. See you guys tomorrow.
 
2012-04-04 03:12:27 AM  
Well - in my place of employment the intelligent people are the ones that can't seem to get away for 24 hours without getting SOME sort of call. (Computer room operator in a 24/7 distribution center environment)

The common labor at this place of employment? they burn through all their sick day in the first 60 days of the month usually -- not because they are sick, but because they can't see 6 months into the future when they are ACTUALLY sick.

Sprinkle in the fact that the lower class/less intelligent people in the place tend to smoke, drink, and use drugs, no wonder they always come up short with no sick days.

Me? I get a set amount of sick/vacation/personal days per year, I use them sparingly for the first half of the year. Towards the end though I will start burning through them. It's part of the "benefits" so why let them go to waste? I'm not going to forego $200 a day just to say I have some banked sick days.

90% of the time I've called in sick I've never actually been sick, go figure. How much of that relates to my intelligence or education who really knows? B.S. in Econ from A&M here -- nope I don't actually use it either :-p
 
2012-04-04 03:13:43 AM  
That was an article? Huh. Guess I'm less intelligent (and couldn't tell) after a few IPAs.
 
2012-04-04 03:15:00 AM  

Arbitrator: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Intelligent people also tend to work in fields that don't allow as much freedom to take a sick day. (No one else knows a specific system or policy, the backup isn't secure/safe, etc)

Yep. I work mostly with PhDs, usually in 60+ hr workweeks, and I'll be damned if they take regular vacations.

One guy has been with the company for 5 years, works 80+ hours a week regularly. He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.


If you love what you do, it's not work.

It used to be common to "bank" vacation time and retire early but most companies put a cap these days. I have an uncle who had 6 months or so of vacation and took it in a big chunk 6 months before his retirement date. But that was back in the days when they let you bank unlimited sick and vacation days and companies didn't fire people a week before they became eligible for retirement benefits.
 
2012-04-04 03:15:16 AM  

0Icky0: Research indicates intelligent people take less fewer sicker leaves.



I have no idea if I fixed that for anybody.
 
2012-04-04 03:17:52 AM  
Or are "smart people," just more paranoid, believing that sick time usage is a heavily weighted metric in determining lay off rosters?
 
2012-04-04 03:18:29 AM  

HighZoolander: 0Icky0: Research indicates intelligent peoples taken less fewer sicker leaves.


Hmm.
 
2012-04-04 03:18:59 AM  
If you're so indispensable you can't take time off work, you're not as clever as you think you are.
 
2012-04-04 03:20:34 AM  
Correlation Causation. Intelligence and income show a correlation as do income and health (along with obesity rates). A number of studies have demonstrated that the mothers diet and environment have lifelong impacts on their offspring, so intelligent/higher income parents tend to have healthier, more intelligent, and higher earning offspring. I'd also venture to say that incentives play a roll...lower income people have less incentive to work and then collect benefits. Higher income would tend to be professionals who stand to lose more by taking leave by either losing clients/customers or looking bad on a resume when trying to advance a career.
 
2012-04-04 03:23:10 AM  

ArtosRC: HighZoolander: 0Icky0: Research indicates intelligent peoples taken less fewer sicker leaves.

Hmm.


Doubleplusgood!
 
2012-04-04 03:33:54 AM  
wat
 
2012-04-04 03:35:09 AM  
Poor people are stupid people. The reason they are poor is because they make bad decisions because they are stupid.

Hey, this women here on the scooter in the ice cream section of Wal-Mart is coughing like the Holy Typhoid Mary...I think I'll just ease in here right next to her and linger for several minutes while I decide whether to get Nutty Buddys or bon bons. Okay, now I am off to look at the moo-moo selection, not a care in the world....
 
2012-04-04 03:37:22 AM  

McMuttons: Arbitrator: He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.

Should think he had more than 10 hours. :) Maybe I'm just used to my 6 weeks standard in Norway, though they can be difficult to use up.


The US is the only industrialized country in the world where there is no sick leave or vacation guaranteed by law.

But he probably meant days.
 
2012-04-04 03:42:09 AM  
Smart people use their sick time.. research is crap.
 
2012-04-04 03:45:39 AM  
I accumulate 1 sick day per month for up to 14 days (I believe) and will start accruing vacation time after being an employee for 5yrs. Working as a classified employee for the school district is an interesting view into things, no, we don't get "paid" for any of the school breaks or summer vacation.

The most you can do is have your paycheck split up into 12 monthly payments instead of the actual 9 that you work. You get a bit less monthly, but at least have a paycheck over summer.

New hires always burn through sick time, as they are exposed to all the school viruses over the first few years. Then the immune system toughens up and they get sick pretty rarely.
 
2012-04-04 03:45:55 AM  

Tavillion: ArtosRC: HighZoolander: 0Icky0: Researchers indicated intelligently that people take fewer sick leaves.

Hmm.

Doubleplusgood!


Like from trees
 
2012-04-04 03:53:37 AM  

Enigmamf: McMuttons: Arbitrator: He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.

Should think he had more than 10 hours. :) Maybe I'm just used to my 6 weeks standard in Norway, though they can be difficult to use up.

The US is the only industrialized country in the world where there is no sick leave or vacation guaranteed by law.

But he probably meant days.


To be honest, I figured he meant weeks, given how much the guy seemed to be working, but then again, I guess this is in the US. Last job I had there I only had one week per year for vacation, not even sure what the sick leave deal was. It was an adjustment to move here and suddenly have government mandated 4.5 weeks vacation (at the time - now the mandate is 5 weeks, and my employer gives me an additional week as a perk - US company, btw, which I find amusing), plus as many sick days as I need.

Not that I'm very often sick or away. Sick days don't seem as precious when you always have them when you need them. That, and I love my job, which is probably a much more deciding factor on absence in the long run. People who have more experience/education have greater options in finding the jobs they want and are more likely to end up with something they enjoy.

But the way sick leave works here in Norway is that once you're on extended sick leave, the company you work for pays your salary for the first two weeks or so, and then the government steps in and pays for the rest of the time you're on leave. So salary-wise, it's not as big a risk for companies.
 
2012-04-04 04:02:49 AM  
I've used up 2/3 of my sick time allocated to me this academic year! I had to use 1/2 of it after three weeks of work due to an emergency hospitalization. Another because I didn't get sleep and didn't feel like I would make it through the work day.

/csb
 
2012-04-04 04:32:49 AM  
"We suggest that education should form part of the policy response to long-term sickness absence: for future generations, equipping children with skills necessary for labour market flexibility may inoculate them from the risk of long-term sickness absence,'' they wrote.

So slashing the educational budget isn't the smartest thing??? whoda' thunk it?
 
2012-04-04 04:54:25 AM  
You guys get sick time separate from vacation time/PTO? Wow... you must be making the big bucks.

/Planning my next vacation right now. Can't wait for a week off.
 
2012-04-04 04:59:45 AM  
Wise people take sick leave, knowing that its better to recover and come back healthy, and they try not to spread an illness around. Ego-driven jackasses who want everyone to think they are irreplaceable come into work anyway. No one is irreplaceable. The graveyards are full of so-called irreplaceable people.
 
2012-04-04 05:32:54 AM  
Poor people can afford to be sick and not at work?
 
2012-04-04 05:43:59 AM  
We get 12 sick days at work a year and if you don't use 10 of them and they pay you for them {which are called well days} I've used about 4 in 20+ years i've been there. I like an extra two week check at the end of the year. :)
 
2012-04-04 05:46:35 AM  

0Icky0: Research indicates intelligent people take less fewer sick leave.


Actually, no. You can take less sick leave, or you can take fewer sick days.
 
2012-04-04 05:57:40 AM  

MaxAwesome: 0Icky0: Research indicates intelligent people take less fewer sick leave.

Actually, no. You can take less sick leave, or you can take fewer sick days.


Can you take fewer days of sick leave?

How about less sick leave days per year?

Or maybe less overall sick leave resulting in fewer sick days per year?
 
2012-04-04 06:00:10 AM  

accelerus: Me? I get a set amount of sick/vacation/personal days per year, I use them sparingly for the first half of the year. Towards the end though I will start burning through them. It's part of the "benefits" so why let them go to waste? I'm not going to forego $200 a day just to say I have some banked sick days.


Where I work the sick time hours not used go into a hidden bank everyone refers to as the "Heart Attack" bank. I used to wonder about the name, then I had one (heart attack that is). I was paid my normal salary for the entire time I was out, 1 1/2 months because I had "banked" so much sick time that HR said "Don't worry, you're covered".
But I can say that it is a state of attitude that influences this. Same company 18 years ago I was given a warning due to my sick time use, I was in a much lower position. Working on the manufacturing floor as a QA, I burnt alot.

Just my opinion, treat your people as if they don't matter, and they respond in kind. Make them feel important, or just be willing to admit they are, and they go the extra mile.

/Seen it in myself
//just my 2 cents
 
2012-04-04 06:25:11 AM  

Arbitrator: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Intelligent people also tend to work in fields that don't allow as much freedom to take a sick day. (No one else knows a specific system or policy, the backup isn't secure/safe, etc)

Yep. I work mostly with PhDs, usually in 60+ hr workweeks, and I'll be damned if they take regular vacations.

One guy has been with the company for 5 years, works 80+ hours a week regularly. He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.


Hit the ceiling with only 10 hours accumulated? I'm guessing you missed a digit somewhere.
 
2012-04-04 06:51:41 AM  

McMuttons: Arbitrator: He has 10 hours of vacation accumulated, to the point where he hit the ceiling and simply started burning hours. But he's too valuable to take long periods of time off.

Should think he had more than 10 hours. :) Maybe I'm just used to my 6 weeks standard in Norway, though they can be difficult to use up.


LOL, I have about 400 hrs accumulated - but whats the point? When I take even a weekend vacation I get people from work calling me, emailing or texting.
 
2012-04-04 07:04:17 AM  

0Icky0: Research indicates intelligent people take less fewer sick leave.


It was correct as "less" because it's referring to "sick leave" rather than "days of sick leave."
 
2012-04-04 07:07:49 AM  
I've got a good 2 weeks of PTO saved up. When I have a case of the Mondays, I just hop in the company chat room, say I wont be in today, and mark down 8 hours of PTO on my next time sheet. Simple as that.

It's call a big boy job. It's what you get after you graduate college.
 
2012-04-04 07:10:33 AM  
That article was sickening.
 
2012-04-04 07:13:26 AM  
And the really dumb ones work for the Telegraph and write stupid stories with no fact like these.
 
2012-04-04 07:19:10 AM  
Yes, I do.
 
2012-04-04 07:20:36 AM  
I rarely took days off until I found no benefit from having "perfect attendance"; then I took 3 whole days in a year (on days I knew I didn't have anything urgent to do).

Now I'm in a job where, even if sick, I wouldn't want to call in, as the amount of work the next day could crush me and it would place a huge burden on my coworkers.
 
2012-04-04 07:20:52 AM  

MaxAwesome: Actually, no. You can take less sick leave, or you can take fewer sick days.


That were the jokes.
 
2012-04-04 07:28:02 AM  
How about successful and intelligent people? What do they be takin'?
 
2012-04-04 07:39:42 AM  
My company has a generous policy...10 sick days a year and if you don't use them they only take away half and let you bank the rest. Then when you retire they pay you for half of what you have banked!

So each sick day saved for the 20-30 year career is worth about 1/4th of a day extra.

//Or you can just use them up during the year and have some time off while still accumulating vacation
 
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