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(Philly.com)   Philadelphia Housing Authority housing auction was going well until the Philadelphia Gas Works cut the cheese   (philly.com) divider line 15
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2012-04-03 03:10:34 PM
In West Philadelphia, blown up and razed

In the flames is where I spent most of my day
 
2012-04-03 03:18:30 PM
Well, at least Operation Move wasn't involved.

www.internationalist.org
 
2012-04-03 03:49:04 PM
But PHA's money comes from the public, too. And PHA doesn't think it should have to pay these bills. The agency says it did its part by giving tenants a monthly "utility allowance" rent deduction, as required by federal regulations.

And that didn't cause the utility bills to get paid by a bunch of public-assistance dependents? The hell you say.
 
2012-04-03 03:51:16 PM
That website is a mess...
 
2012-04-03 05:22:41 PM
The answer is yellow and says "C A T E R P I L L A R" across the back.
 
2012-04-03 07:48:27 PM
The PHA workers are being lazy and not doing their jobs. I'm going to admit that my family are in a program outside of Philly (Bucks County) and the case workers are always on people's asses about paying utilities. The minute you slip up you are told to pay or GTFO. You have to submit budget reports each month on what you spent and if you're pissing your money away instead of saving and paying what's owed, you are gone. Yes it seems like a huge pain the ass and an invasion of privacy, but the only way you get into this program is from being homeless which means they are saving you from the streets. It's a fair trade, don't you think?
 
2012-04-04 02:09:52 AM
Stories like this are almost enough to make me turn Republican. Pay your damn gas bills, you freakin' deadbeats. There'll still be enough cash for your Sunny-D and meth later.
 
2012-04-04 02:28:14 AM
O'Sullivan said a 1923 state act makes property owners, not renters, legally responsible for the cost of a municipal service. He also defended PGW's actions by saying that it benefits ratepayers, whose gas rates rise when bills go unpaid.

So, book the loss and take the tax credit. Why the f*ck are you passing on something that doesn't cost you anything to ratepayers? Oh, because you can get away with it. I gotcha.
 
2012-04-04 07:59:26 AM

CZMisfitsFan: The PHA workers are being lazy and not doing their jobs. I'm going to admit that my family are in a program outside of Philly (Bucks County) and the case workers are always on people's asses about paying utilities. The minute you slip up you are told to pay or GTFO. You have to submit budget reports each month on what you spent and if you're pissing your money away instead of saving and paying what's owed, you are gone. Yes it seems like a huge pain the ass and an invasion of privacy, but the only way you get into this program is from being homeless which means they are saving you from the streets. It's a fair trade, don't you think?


The problem is that the houses in question have been empty for years, and in some cases, decades. The people who owe the money don't live there anymore and may not even be alive.

PGW (which is completely city-owned and controlled) has always done an amazingly shiatty job of collecting money owed and of assisting those who cannot afford to pay.

Slapping the liens on at the last minute was a political power play by one city agency against another. The PHA (despite its sexual-harassing former head) is actually in pretty good shape, while PGW is a complete mess which the city is looking to privatize. (Ironically, it was started as a public utility, privatized to deal with corruption, then made public again in the 1970s, to deal with patronage and corruption.)

/Philadelphian
 
2012-04-04 08:48:54 AM

jjorsett: But PHA's money comes from the public, too. And PHA doesn't think it should have to pay these bills. The agency says it did its part by giving tenants a monthly "utility allowance" rent deduction, as required by federal regulations.

And that didn't cause the utility bills to get paid by a bunch of public-assistance dependents? The hell you say.


I'm not against helping the poor to keep them from true misery, but most of them don't get there by being models of responsibility...

CZMisfitsFan: The PHA workers are being lazy and not doing their jobs. I'm going to admit that my family are in a program outside of Philly (Bucks County) and the case workers are always on people's asses about paying utilities. The minute you slip up you are told to pay or GTFO. You have to submit budget reports each month on what you spent and if you're pissing your money away instead of saving and paying what's owed, you are gone. Yes it seems like a huge pain the ass and an invasion of privacy, but the only way you get into this program is from being homeless which means they are saving you from the streets. It's a fair trade, don't you think?


I am astounded that Bucks County has a housing assistance program at all. But I only go there to go to Costco.
 
2012-04-04 10:56:52 AM

CZMisfitsFan: The PHA workers are being lazy and not doing their jobs. I'm going to admit that my family are in a program outside of Philly (Bucks County) and the case workers are always on people's asses about paying utilities. The minute you slip up you are told to pay or GTFO. You have to submit budget reports each month on what you spent and if you're pissing your money away instead of saving and paying what's owed, you are gone. Yes it seems like a huge pain the ass and an invasion of privacy, but the only way you get into this program is from being homeless which means they are saving you from the streets. It's a fair trade, don't you think?


If you think so, I have a cup you can pee into.
 
2012-04-04 01:19:38 PM

YixilTesiphon: I am astounded that Bucks County has a housing assistance program at all. But I only go there to go to Costco.


It shouldn't be a surprise; Bucks was rural and poor until thirty-forty years ago. Now it's fast filling up with white trash fleeing NE Philly.

/Was up in Doylestown yesterday
//It's a beautiful place.
///It always amazes me that you can drive less than an hour from City Hall in Philly and be in the middle of farm land.
 
2012-04-04 01:56:39 PM

Dwight_Yeast: It shouldn't be a surprise; Bucks was rural and poor until thirty-forty years ago. Now it's fast filling up with white trash fleeing NE Philly.


I just moved here from Houston so I don't know a whole lot about the area yet.
 
2012-04-04 02:11:51 PM

Dwight_Yeast: YixilTesiphon: I am astounded that Bucks County has a housing assistance program at all. But I only go there to go to Costco.

It shouldn't be a surprise; Bucks was rural and poor until thirty-forty years ago. Now it's fast filling up with white trash fleeing NE Philly.

/Was up in Doylestown yesterday
//It's a beautiful place.
///It always amazes me that you can drive less than an hour from City Hall in Philly and be in the middle of farm land.


Agree with the white trash thing. Also, a lot of ghetto trash who think moving to the suburbs will somehow turn them into something classy. Yeah, we're getting assistance but our situation is from bad luck, not being ghetto or white trash.

Stay the Hell away from Bristol and Croydon unless you want your perception of Bucks as a lovely place to be ruined.

/Doylestown is nice though. The whole central Bucks area is beautiful.
 
2012-04-04 04:23:41 PM

CZMisfitsFan: Agree with the white trash thing. Also, a lot of ghetto trash who think moving to the suburbs will somehow turn them into something classy. Yeah, we're getting assistance but our situation is from bad luck, not being ghetto or white trash.


My impression is that the poor (of every color) are moving out of the city for the same reasons: they perceive the suburbs as being "safe". The whites are fleeing the old, inner parts of the NE, which are destabilizing as neighborhoods. The blacks are fleeing the crime and drugs that have destroyed their neighborhoods.
 
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