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(CNN)   Transgender Miss Universe contestant who was an innie then an outie is tucked back in   (cnn.com) divider line 161
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2012-04-03 10:03:56 AM  
I expect this thread to be filled with the most tasteful of intellectual discourse.
 
2012-04-03 11:38:47 AM  
Would be funny if she has a split personality disorder.
 
2012-04-03 11:42:26 AM  
Jeez. I was just watching some show with the Miss International Queen winner from a few years back and she was stunning. You wouldn't ever have known she was born a boy unless someone told you.

But these contestants are hideous. Yikes.
 
2012-04-03 11:42:40 AM  

Yogimus: Would be funny if she has a split penis.


ftfy
 
2012-04-03 11:42:45 AM  
Hot tranny thread!
 
2012-04-03 11:42:53 AM  

Cythraul: I expect this thread to be filled with the most tasteful of intellectual discourse pictures of hot trannies.


FTFY
 
2012-04-03 11:43:09 AM  
Huh? Born male, changed to female at 19. You're whole innie-outtie scheme confounds me.


I wonder if she wore an original Shemalé.


I understand about the crying game.
 
2012-04-03 11:44:37 AM  
I completely support gay rights, and what have you, and vote in favor of them when possible.

However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

Since a beauty contest is just a beauty contest and things like different musculature and hormones don't (necessarily) come into play and only superficial beauty is judged, that's not so much of a big deal.

800 post thread coming.
 
2012-04-03 11:44:38 AM  
XX chromosomes or GTFO.
 
2012-04-03 11:44:54 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Huh? Born male, changed to female at 19. You're whole innie-outtie scheme confounds me.

In

the pageant.
Kicked out of the pageant.
Allowed back in to the pageant.

/what you were thinking when you typed "you're" confounds me, however
 
2012-04-03 11:45:25 AM  
Can't girls have anything just for us anymore. Why do we have to share?
 
2012-04-03 11:46:11 AM  

topcon: However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.


And since legalizing gay marriage means that men can marry turtles, we have to draw a line somewhere, too, right?

The slippery slope argument is a fallacy for a reason.
 
2012-04-03 11:46:12 AM  
It's a beauty contest. If she thinks she can compete against the most beautiful naturally born women in the world, who am I to say she shouldn't. It would certainly be something if she won though. Maybe it would put an end to the ridiculous idea of beauty contests.
 
2012-04-03 11:46:16 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Huh? Born male, changed to female at 19. You're whole innie-outtie scheme confounds me.


I wonder if she wore an original Shemalé.


I understand about the crying game.


I take it to mean that she was "in" the competition, then thrown "out", and now she's back in the roster. It's the order of acceptance/rejection, not whatever sex she was at a given time.
 
2012-04-03 11:46:46 AM  
Seems like her surgeon should be the one competing for the award, not her.

/ducks
 
2012-04-03 11:47:39 AM  
If she has the charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent to compete, why not let her?
 
2012-04-03 11:47:50 AM  

chi_tino: Cythraul: I expect this thread to be filled with the most tasteful of intellectual discourse pictures of hot trannies.


www.njmoneysaver.com
 
2012-04-03 11:48:44 AM  

topcon: I completely support gay rights, and what have you, and vote in favor of them when possible.

However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

Since a beauty contest is just a beauty contest and things like different musculature and hormones don't (necessarily) come into play and only superficial beauty is judged, that's not so much of a big deal.

800 post thread coming.


images.wikia.com

/hail, hail, robonia
//a land I didn't make up
 
2012-04-03 11:48:58 AM  

Theaetetus: AngryJailhouseFistfark: Huh? Born male, changed to female at 19. You're whole innie-outtie scheme confounds me.

In the pageant.
Kicked out of the pageant.
Allowed back in to the pageant.

/what you were thinking when you typed "you're" confounds me, however


I panicked.
 
2012-04-03 11:49:05 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Can't girls have anything just for us anymore. Why do we have to share?


Do you not keep up with what's happening in the world today?
What do you have, the attention span of a retarded fruit fly?

Oh right.
 
2012-04-03 11:49:34 AM  

Theaetetus: topcon: However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

And since legalizing gay marriage means that men can marry turtles, we have to draw a line somewhere, too, right?

The slippery slope argument is a fallacy for a reason.


Sweet selective quoting, Mrs. Esterhaus.
 
2012-04-03 11:50:14 AM  
Technically, she was an outty who became an inny who was inny until the contest officials threw her outty but have relented to tuck her back inny.
 
2012-04-03 11:50:19 AM  
May I suggest 2 separate pagents?

....an "all natural" Miss Universe pagent limited to women who were born women and have had no surgical procedures to enchance their looks

...and a separate "free form" Miss Universe pagent for "women" who have had any kind of surgical (inluding botox) enhancement done to alter their appearance at all.
 
2012-04-03 11:51:21 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Can't girls have anything just for us anymore. Why do we have to share?


You're complaining that a competition about superficiality and subjectivity should be the province of women only...

notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-04-03 11:51:45 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: If she has the charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent to compete, why not let her?


She has all that, and a dick at one time.
I guess that kind of threw a curve at the pageant officials.
 
2012-04-03 11:53:01 AM  
She doesn't belong in a female competition.

She DOES however, belong on the st andrews cross in my basement
 
2012-04-03 11:53:32 AM  

topcon: Theaetetus: topcon: However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

And since legalizing gay marriage means that men can marry turtles, we have to draw a line somewhere, too, right?

The slippery slope argument is a fallacy for a reason.

Sweet selective quoting, Mrs. Esterhaus.


Oh, I'm sorry. I should've included the parts where you claimed you totally care about equal rights, and about how this doesn't cross your hypothetical line that has to be somewhere, but you're totally concerned about future developments. That would've definitely validated your slippery slope argument.
 
2012-04-03 11:53:56 AM  

Savage Bacon: AngryJailhouseFistfark: Huh? Born male, changed to female at 19. You're whole innie-outtie scheme confounds me.


I wonder if she wore an original Shemalé.


I understand about the crying game.

I take it to mean that she was "in" the competition, then thrown "out", and now she's back in the roster. It's the order of acceptance/rejection, not whatever sex she was at a given time.


I was tricked - TRICKED - by the clever submitter. I thought the innie-outtie was a clever euphemism and/or metaphor for the configuration of the Sexual Organs of pageant contestant Tzena Kovnoklova (?). I suspect this was subby's fiendish intent all along.
 
2012-04-03 11:54:28 AM  
Can it reproduce? If so, what gender must its partner be?
 
2012-04-03 11:56:12 AM  

Theaetetus: topcon: Theaetetus: topcon: However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

And since legalizing gay marriage means that men can marry turtles, we have to draw a line somewhere, too, right?

The slippery slope argument is a fallacy for a reason.

Sweet selective quoting, Mrs. Esterhaus.

Oh, I'm sorry. I should've included the parts where you claimed you totally care about equal rights, and about how this doesn't cross your hypothetical line that has to be somewhere, but you're totally concerned about future developments. That would've definitely validated your slippery slope argument.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-03 11:57:28 AM  
which one was the tranny?
 
2012-04-03 11:58:27 AM  

not so fast... from the article

In a statement late Monday night, the Miss Universe Organization said Jenna Talackova can compete provided "she meets the legal gender recognition requirements of Canada, and the standards established by other international competitions."


basically it looks like a setup. a way out of them looking bad because they are probably going to rely upon other national standards to exclude this guy. and yes.. if you have an X and Y chromosome, you are biologically male. cutting and snipping and wearing pretty clothes does not change that.

IMO, since the competition is called "miss" universe only biological females should be allowed to compete. If they want to create a pageant which wasnt gender specific, then it could be open to everyone.
 
2012-04-03 11:59:08 AM  
Does this mean Rosie ODonnell can now compete in Mr. Universe?
 
2012-04-03 11:59:34 AM  
I'm very tolerant, don't really care what people do with their own lives, and regret that people can be so unkind to each other, but this is disgusting. Like many rational people, I run DNA checks and hormone analysis on everybody I meet, and damn straight that this THING would not meet my criteria for a woman.
 
2012-04-03 12:01:15 PM  

topcon: I completely support gay rights, and what have you, and vote in favor of them when possible.

However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

Since a beauty contest is just a beauty contest and things like different musculature and hormones don't (necessarily) come into play and only superficial beauty is judged, that's not so much of a big deal.

800 post thread coming.


Actually, the Olympic committee has rules in place for transgender athletes - two years of post-op hormone therapy, if I remember correctly. Basically, long enough for the muscles (which are easier to build and keep built with testosterone) to fade. It takes a transwoman pretty much as much energy to maintain muscles as it would for a ciswoman to build them, because a post-op transwoman actually has lower T than a ciswoman does.
 
2012-04-03 12:01:40 PM  
In a statement late Monday night, the Miss Universe Organization said Jenna Talackova can compete provided "she meets the legal gender recognition requirements of Canada, and the standards established by other international competitions."

The statement, however, did not elaborate on what the requirements were.


Hmmm... What requirements are needed?

Private strip show for the committee?

A test?
www.webdemons.com
 
2012-04-03 12:03:04 PM  

Strik3r: ...an "all natural" Miss Universe pagent limited to women who were born women and have had no surgical procedures to enchance their looks.


What would be the point? Has there ever been an all-natural contestant, much less winner?
 
2012-04-03 12:04:59 PM  
attention span of a retarded fruitfly: "Can't girls have anything just for us anymore. Why do we have to share?"

You certainly don't have to. If you have the stones to make a (more) discriminatory pageant and can survive negative publicity and a smaller market, more power to ya.
As a general warning though: things made for the group with *more* social power so they can exclude those with *less* social power, don't tend to work out.

It seems most people don't respond positively to seeing the little guy get kicked around.
 
PJ-
2012-04-03 12:05:30 PM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Can't girls have anything just for us anymore. Why do we have to share?


First off: Gyms

Second off: That's what happens when you demand equality. You take away all the stuff guys have fun with when it's just the guys, expect the same to come back ya.
 
2012-04-03 12:06:36 PM  
She's post-op. Let her in. Not a terribly hard decision.
 
2012-04-03 12:06:45 PM  

topcon: I completely support gay rights, and what have you, and vote in favor of them when possible.

However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

Since a beauty contest is just a beauty contest and things like different musculature and hormones don't (necessarily) come into play and only superficial beauty is judged, that's not so much of a big deal.

800 post thread coming.


They can.
 
2012-04-03 12:07:23 PM  

kattana: if you have an X and Y chromosome, you are biologically male.


Actually, the biology goes quite a bit deeper than that. Remember how, in elementary school, they first taught you that you can't subtract a larger number from a smaller number, and then later, you learned about negative numbers? Or how they taught you you can't take a square root of a negative number, and then later, you learned about imaginary numbers?

Same idea - the Y chromosome explanation is a bit naive. Really, it's the SRY gene and its functionality (activation vs. inactivation, mutation, etc.) that affects gender. And, just to confuse things, the SRY gene can be translocated to other chromosomes - there are men who are XX and don't know it, because due to a relatively common mutation, they have a functional SRY gene on some other chromosome:
In fact, there's a whole lot more to maleness and femaleness than X or Y chromosomes. About 1 in 20,000 men has no Y chromosome, instead having 2 Xs. This means that in the United States there are about 7,500 men without a Y chromosome.
For these 15,000 or more individuals in the US (and who knows how many worldwide), their chromosomes are irrelevant. It is the total complement of their genes along with their life experiences (physical, mental, social) that makes them who they are (or any of us, for that matter). The last time I counted, there were at least 30 genes that have been found to have important roles in the development of sex in either humans or mice. Of these 30 or so genes 3 are located on the X chromosome, 1 on the Y chromosome and the rest are on other chromosomes, called autosomes (on chromosomes 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 17, 19).


From here (new window).
 
2012-04-03 12:07:49 PM  
1)Miss Universe Canada...who gives a shiat.

2)If the best Thailand has to offer used to be a dude, what does that say about Thailand's actual women?

3) Miss Universe Canada...who gives a shiat?
 
2012-04-03 12:08:09 PM  

Strik3r: an "all natural" Miss Universe pagent limited to women who were born women and have had no surgical procedures to enchance their looks


This, except let's make it the only type of pageant. A beauty competition where surgery is allowed is like an Olympics where steroids are allowed.
 
2012-04-03 12:09:19 PM  

Exception Collection: topcon: I completely support gay rights, and what have you, and vote in favor of them when possible.

However, when is it going to get to the point where transsexuals (especially male to female) demand to play in the Olympics, or collegiate sports, as females? There has to be a line somewhere.

Since a beauty contest is just a beauty contest and things like different musculature and hormones don't (necessarily) come into play and only superficial beauty is judged, that's not so much of a big deal.

800 post thread coming.

Actually, the Olympic committee has rules in place for transgender athletes - two years of post-op hormone therapy, if I remember correctly. Basically, long enough for the muscles (which are easier to build and keep built with testosterone) to fade. It takes a transwoman pretty much as much energy to maintain muscles as it would for a ciswoman to build them, because a post-op transwoman actually has lower T than a ciswoman does.


Ludicrous. There's more than hormones at play. The build of a male is completely different. An athletic male even on hormones for two years is going to have a distinct advantage over a real woman.

It just throws an unnecessary monkey wrench into the purity of sports.

Beauty pageants, who gives a shiat, it's equal footing. If a male to female tranny can win a beauty pageant, good for them. I think it'd be even better if we never knew they were transsexual. Some judges might vote for them just based on that alone as a political thing. It'd really have a lot of impact if one won a beauty pageant and no one ever knew.
 
2012-04-03 12:09:39 PM  

idesofmarch: an Olympics where steroids are allowed.


... go on...
 
2012-04-03 12:10:18 PM  
This means that, quite possibly, there is a landfill out there that holds the dessicated remains of Miss Universe's discarded penis.

Just let that sink in for as second.
 
2012-04-03 12:12:22 PM  
This is very important.
 
2012-04-03 12:13:20 PM  
Guess they just realized what a goldmine she is for the viewers ratings.

/Haven't watched a Miss Universe/USA/America/Whatever pageant in decades. Maybe not since the 70s.
 
2012-04-03 12:17:17 PM  
He is the hottest dude ever
 
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