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2012-04-03 01:38:21 AM
Indeed. home.comcast.net
 
2012-04-03 01:43:56 AM
Subby is a tool and a jerk offLink

:-Þ
 
2012-04-03 01:44:48 AM
NIce linking, so I am too, obviously.
 
2012-04-03 01:45:25 AM
fark you, beer.
 
2012-04-03 01:59:29 AM

violentsalvation: fark you, beer.


So, beer can't do everything? :-D
 
2012-04-03 02:25:50 AM
For 35 years, the Cato Institute has been a nonpartisan and independent source of libertarian views on key policy issues in America

This is where I stopped reading.
 
2012-04-03 03:38:31 AM
tool for Koch

So CNN is slut shaming Cato?
 
2012-04-03 09:21:03 AM
No honor among thieves, it appears.
 
2012-04-03 09:33:07 AM
www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-04-03 10:26:52 AM
The court will ultimately decide who is in control at Cato: A board of independent directors who have, over 30 years, provided financial and management support to the institute while upholding its libertarian principles, or two individuals who seek to restructure the board with people beholden to their political agendas.

Good luck, you're going to need it.
 
2012-04-03 10:46:55 AM
We have been critical of Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama

George W. Bush???

Yea, after you realized that he wasn't helping your cause. Not for anything he did but rather because he was unpopular.
 
2012-04-03 10:58:31 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: George W. Bush???

Yea, after you realized that he wasn't helping your cause.


Factually incorrect.

Cato opposed the Iraq War in 2002 (though not unanimously).
 
2012-04-03 11:19:57 AM

NewportBarGuy: This is where I stopped reading.


You should read the rest of it.
 
2012-04-03 11:22:40 AM

Gulper Eel: Because People in power are Stupid: George W. Bush???

Yea, after you realized that he wasn't helping your cause.

Factually incorrect.

Cato opposed the Iraq War in 2002 (though not unanimously).


Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.
 
2012-04-03 11:41:54 AM

Mentat: The court will ultimately decide who is in control at Cato: A board of independent directors who have, over 30 years, provided financial and management support to the institute while upholding its libertarian principles, or two individuals who seek to restructure the board with people beholden to their political agendas.

Good luck, you're going to need it.


They should give Komen a call when it's all over. They can get drunk together and talk about the good old days.
 
2012-04-03 11:43:21 AM

mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.


One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.
 
2012-04-03 11:45:01 AM
The Cato Institute does good work on two related subjects - civil liberties and the drug war. Everything else is fellation of big business.
 
2012-04-03 11:47:20 AM

Bathia_Mapes: violentsalvation: fark you, beer.

So, beer can't do everything? :-D


CAUSE, AND SOLUTION TO...
 
2012-04-03 11:50:43 AM

GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.


They presented a strong case against the Iraq War before the invasion which is even more enlightened than many Liberals were at that time.

Broken clock...etc...etc...
 
2012-04-03 11:52:39 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: The Cato Institute does good work on two related subjects - civil liberties and the drug war. Everything else is fellation of big business.


They had a good article on the failure of the Kansas City school district a few years ago.
 
2012-04-03 11:53:07 AM

mrshowrules: GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.

They presented a strong case against the Iraq War before the invasion which is even more enlightened than many Liberals were at that time.

Broken clock...etc...etc...


Yeah, nobody on the left was arguing against the war, not at all.
 
2012-04-03 11:59:55 AM

GAT_00: mrshowrules: GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.

They presented a strong case against the Iraq War before the invasion which is even more enlightened than many Liberals were at that time.

Broken clock...etc...etc...

Yeah, nobody on the left was arguing against the war, not at all.


Your misrepresenting my words. I didn't say nobody, all, a majority. I said many.

I said many Liberals did not speak out against the Iraq War before the invasion. Cato did which means that (at least in terms of these articles they published) called it better than almost all conservatives and even many Liberals. There is even another article the published calling the Bush administration hawks on Iraq. Are you saying there were not many Liberals (in 2002 before the invasion) playing it cool on this matter because they weren't sure which way the political winds were blowing?
 
2012-04-03 12:02:37 PM

GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.


Also factually incorrect.

How Bush Bankrupted America (2006)

Bush Was A Statist, Not A Conservative (2010)

Bush's Failure: More Than Incompetence (2007)

"Bush has been on a historic spending spree (2005)

"President Bush has made a bad habit of putting special interest demands ahead of the general public good on issues such as farm subsidies and trade protectionism." (2002)

I don't have time for more right now, but you get the thrust, I hope. That they may prefer Republicans to Democrats more often than vice versa is only to say that they consider the taste of elephant dung marginally more palatable than donkey doo-doo.

If anything, Republicans will mouth small-government talking points like Cato's, but following up? Not so much.
 
2012-04-03 12:07:35 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

RIP Kato
 
2012-04-03 12:30:32 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: The Cato Institute does good work on two related subjects - civil liberties and the drug war. Everything else is fellation of big business.


You do realize they're libertarians...
 
2012-04-03 01:16:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: We have been critical of Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama

George W. Bush???

Yea, after you realized that he wasn't helping your cause. Not for anything he did but rather because he was unpopular.


You mean how they were against the Iraq War since before the Gulf War? Yeah, that's exactly doing Bush's bidding.

Liberals hate Cato because it calls them out on their bluff. Liberals don't care enough about peace and civil rights to give up any of their government entitlements or even reform them so they don't bankrupt us, and they can't stand how Cato shows it for the world to see.

/sad to see what's happening to them
//chances are most of the scholars will leave and just form another institute
///Koch Bros will just do to Cato what Budweiser did to Rolling Rock
 
2012-04-03 01:18:48 PM
CATO is basically the think tank version of Ron Paul. Conservatives, yes, Idiots, double yes, but not directly allied to the sleazier portions of the Republican Machine.
 
2012-04-03 01:20:01 PM

Diogenes: No honor among thieves, it appears.


Saved me the trouble of typing. A pox on both their houses.
 
2012-04-03 01:22:34 PM
www.laughstub.com

RIP Cato Kaelin
 
2012-04-03 01:22:38 PM
beta_plus

Liberals hate Cato because it calls them out on their bluff. Liberals don't care enough about peace and civil rights to give up any of their government entitlements or even reform them so they don't bankrupt us, and they can't stand how Cato shows it for the world to see.

Looks like you've fallen hard for the myths they perpetuate, you must be a fan.
 
2012-04-03 01:24:34 PM
FTA: "For 35 years, the Cato Institute has been a nonpartisan..."

Stopped reading. If you can't lead with a fact, stop trying to call it news.
 
2012-04-03 01:30:22 PM

NallTWD: FTA: "For 35 years, the Cato Institute has been a nonpartisan..."

Stopped reading. If you can't lead with a fact, stop trying to call it news.


A) it's an open letter written by Cato's Chairman, not a news story. It is even conveniently placed in the "Opinion" section of CNN's website just so that is even clearer.
B) in what respect, Charlie?
 
2012-04-03 01:32:19 PM
Wow, Cato calls out the Koch brothers and the fark thread response is Cato Hato.

This place never disappoints.

I say good luck to Cato. I hope the Koch brothers drown in their own vomit when Obama gets reelected, and Obama picks up a Cato-pushed policy to support just to watch them roll over in their graves.

/could happen
//more beer needs to be consumed
 
2012-04-03 01:33:49 PM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.

Also factually incorrect.

How Bush Bankrupted America (2006)

Bush Was A Statist, Not A Conservative (2010)

Bush's Failure: More Than Incompetence (2007)

"Bush has been on a historic spending spree (2005)

"President Bush has made a bad habit of putting special interest demands ahead of the general public good on issues such as farm subsidies and trade protectionism." (2002)

I don't have time for more right now, but you get the thrust, I hope. That they may prefer Republicans to Democrats more often than vice versa is only to say that they consider the taste of elephant dung marginally more palatable than donkey doo-doo.

If anything, Republicans will mouth small-government talking points like Cato's, but following up? Not so much.


What a shocker, you think Cato is actually independent.

Again, a couple of decent articles does not excuse everything else.
 
2012-04-03 01:34:28 PM

Lost Thought 00: CATO is basically the think tank version of Ron Paul. Conservatives, yes, Idiots, double yes, but not directly allied to the sleazier portions of the Republican Machine.


They hate poor people but they don't want to rape pregnant women. I have mixed feelings.
 
2012-04-03 01:41:54 PM

Lost Thought 00: CATO is basically the think tank version of Ron Paul. Conservatives, yes, Idiots, double yes, but not directly allied to the sleazier portions of the Republican Machine.


How is a man who is candidate for the Republican nomination for President, a 15 year Republican Congressman, and the father of a tea party supported Republican US Senator NOT allied to the sleazier portions of the Republican Machine?
 
2012-04-03 01:42:15 PM
I have nothing but tears for this noble political think tank! I'm going to start rending my clothes and wailing for Cato any minute now. Why?! WHY?

Let it go, Cato board. Start a new think tank and this time don't give the a few individuals the power (now, or down the line) to stack the organization's board with their handpicked cronies. For people who are supposedly dedicated to politics, you're terrible at it.

Sidebar: I note with some bemusement that the Cato board seems to be really acting against the interests of private citizens using the tools at their disposal to pursue prosperity here. After all, those tools are at the Koch brothers' disposal because they fronted the money for Cato in the first place. Is Cato really trying to tell an individual what to do with their own property? Hmm.
 
2012-04-03 01:45:01 PM

NallTWD: FTA: "For 35 years, the Cato Institute has been a nonpartisan..."

Stopped reading. If you can't lead with a fact, stop trying to call it news.


Perhaps that's why it's in the opinion section?
 
2012-04-03 01:46:49 PM

GAT_00: Again, a couple of decent articles does not excuse everything else.


Jesus, would you give it a rest GAT? While their interests are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats, Gulper Eel has shown that they have criticised Republican policies too. Either you prove him wrong or shut up.

I'm in no way Lolbertarian, nor do I like Cato, but they have not toed the Republican line on all issues, which is more than can be said for 99% of Congress.
 
2012-04-03 01:50:54 PM

Thats No Moose: GAT_00: Again, a couple of decent articles does not excuse everything else.

Jesus, would you give it a rest GAT? While their interests are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats, Gulper Eel has shown that they have criticised Republican policies too. Either you prove him wrong or shut up.

I'm in no way Lolbertarian, nor do I like Cato, but they have not toed the Republican line on all issues, which is more than can be said for 99% of Congress.


but GAT is so thoroughly convinced, it must be true
 
2012-04-03 01:53:08 PM
To all those anti-Cato people - realise that they are being taken over by the Kochs because they were not Republican enough. I think that "Not Republican Enough" is a badge of honour these days.
 
2012-04-03 01:53:13 PM
So when the Koch's take over Cato shortly it will turn from a place that mostly sucks to a place that always sucks?

A tragedy to be sure but I'll manage to deal somehow.
 
2012-04-03 01:54:14 PM

Thats No Moose: GAT_00: Again, a couple of decent articles does not excuse everything else.

Jesus, would you give it a rest GAT? While their interests are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats, Gulper Eel has shown that they have criticised Republican policies too. Either you prove him wrong or shut up.

I'm in no way Lolbertarian, nor do I like Cato, but they have not toed the Republican line on all issues, which is more than can be said for 99% of Congress.


You have to understand that Gat is thoroughly, inflexibly opposed to the idea that anyone besides him should have any amount of freedom. He has a visceral hatred of freedom so intense that it sets off his vomit reflex. What you read is what results when the vomit hits the keyboard.
 
2012-04-03 01:57:22 PM
Yes subtard, the organization that heavily criticized the Bush administration for the Iraq War, the drug war, the Patriot Act, his stance on abortion and gay marriage, plus the bailouts at the end of his administration is such a tool. It was a ruse for the conservative Kochs to make them look like they aren't pulling the strings. Huge conspiracy.

*eyeroll*
 
2012-04-03 01:59:40 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: You have to understand that Gat is thoroughly, inflexibly opposed to the idea that anyone besides him should have any amount of freedom. He has a visceral hatred of freedom so intense that it sets off his vomit reflex. What you read is what results when the vomit hits the keyboard.


Well, that's the strangest thing I've seen posted today.
 
2012-04-03 02:06:30 PM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.

Also factually incorrect.

How Bush Bankrupted America (2006)

Bush Was A Statist, Not A Conservative (2010)

Bush's Failure: More Than Incompetence (2007)

"Bush has been on a historic spending spree (2005)

"President Bush has made a bad habit of putting special interest demands ahead of the general public good on issues such as farm subsidies and trade protectionism." (2002)

I don't have time for more right now, but you get the thrust, I hope. That they may prefer Republicans to Democrats more often than vice versa is only to say that they consider the taste of elephant dung marginally more palatable than donkey doo-doo.

If anything, Republicans will mouth small-government talking points like Cato's, but following up? Not so much.



Fark Independant™ much?

Yeah, CATO was all for Bush prior to him being elected (new window). Once their boy got elected and he started enacting they took a new tact. He wasn't "libertarian" enough. Nevermind that his wars combined with his tax plans were Starving the Beast enough to turn America into Libertarian paradise (new window).

No CATO wanted more from Bush. Their Libertarian fantasy wouldn't work -so they blamed him for believing their Bullshiat screeds. Furthermore, when he became the most unpopular president in history -they wanted to distance themselves from him.

Does that work for you? Do you get it yet ?
 
2012-04-03 02:10:56 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: How is a man who is candidate for the Republican nomination for President, a 15 year Republican Congressman, and the father of a tea party supported Republican US Senator NOT allied to the sleazier portions of the Republican Machine?


Of course he is. But like McCain, he's managed to paint himself as an outsider to the party by occasionally loudly voting against them while still marching in lockstep 99.9% of the time.
 
2012-04-03 02:20:30 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Gulper Eel: GAT_00: mrshowrules: Good article. I guess I have to give them some credit.

One article in 100 being somewhat decent doesn't mean they as a whole are decent. Cato has been for years nothing more than a Republican talking point machine.

Also factually incorrect.

How Bush Bankrupted America (2006)

Bush Was A Statist, Not A Conservative (2010)

Bush's Failure: More Than Incompetence (2007)

"Bush has been on a historic spending spree (2005)

"President Bush has made a bad habit of putting special interest demands ahead of the general public good on issues such as farm subsidies and trade protectionism." (2002)

I don't have time for more right now, but you get the thrust, I hope. That they may prefer Republicans to Democrats more often than vice versa is only to say that they consider the taste of elephant dung marginally more palatable than donkey doo-doo.

If anything, Republicans will mouth small-government talking points like Cato's, but following up? Not so much.


Fark Independant™ much?

Yeah, CATO was all for Bush prior to him being elected (new window). Once their boy got elected and he started enacting they took a new tact. He wasn't "libertarian" enough. Nevermind that his wars combined with his tax plans were Starving the Beast enough to turn America into Libertarian paradise (new window).

No CATO wanted more from Bush. Their Libertarian fantasy wouldn't work -so they blamed him for believing their Bullshiat screeds. Furthermore, when he became the most unpopular president in history -they wanted to distance themselves from him.

Does that work for you? Do you get it yet ?


did you bump your head?
 
2012-04-03 02:22:32 PM

bobbette: After all, those tools are at the Koch brothers' disposal because they fronted the money for Cato in the first place. Is Cato really trying to tell an individual what to do with their own property?


Perhaps merely advising them. If that fails, all the actual productive people at Cato will all Go Galt, leave, and re-form under a name like "the Uticensis Institute". Possibly with some better work on the charter to reduce the chance of the scenario repeating.

But yah, there's some irony there....
 
2012-04-03 02:24:20 PM
The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Murray Rothbard, Ed Crane and Charles Koch
...
In 2010, the Cato Institute reported support by some 60 plus foundations[82] including:

...
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
...
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
...


Oh, yeah, Cato.

You're so independent, you're Fark IndependentTM.
 
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