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2012-04-02 08:38:01 PM

guyinjeep16: Here is how it played and and will play out:

1.Zimmerman follows Trayon
2.Zimmerman losses sight of Trayon
3.Trayon Confronts Zimmerman wants to know why he is following him, and maybe give him a knuckle sammich and deservedly so.
4.Zimmerman keeps up his "hall monitor" status and doesnt back down or deescalate the situation.
5.Trayon slaps Zimmerman around.
6.Zimmerman Shoots.

7.Zimmerman eventually gets 2nd degree manslaughter

Thread over/


Pixels'n'shiat.
Thread ovar.
 
2012-04-02 08:38:21 PM

Scerpes: Mattyb710: By your own quote if Zimmerman had instigated the physical confrontation he is legally required to exhaust every reasonable means to escape such danger before using deadly force.

Anyway, using a firearm in the commission of a crime is a serious offense in Florida. If Zimmerman assaulted Martin first, and then ended up shooting him he should be charged with that.

I paraphrased and said unable to escape, but yes. Unfortunately, an assault charge is going to be pretty difficult to prove. I think they'll probably get manslaughter or nothing.


Which is unfortunate. If Zimmerman is lying about the events and instigated the physical confrontation he should be put away for murder. However if he is telling the truth, and Martin started it then Zimmerman should not be subjected to a show trial simply to appease the mob.

I'm a gun owner and carry a pistol with me 90% of the time I'm out and about. I'm also a firm believer that anyone who misuses a firearm and/or uses one in the commission of a crime should be nailed to the wall. We don't need jackasses running around causing trouble for the responsible gun owners.
 
2012-04-02 08:38:22 PM

Scerpes: Difficulty with Cutcher's statement: It's physically impossible. Martin was shot in the chest. Either she didn't see it immediately after the shot, or she's confused about what she saw.


or zimmerman moved the body afterwards to stage the scene.
 
2012-04-02 08:38:26 PM

Weaver95: what I gather from all these discussion threads it still sounds like Zimmerman escalated the situation and Martin paid the price. the rest is sophistry.


That's speculation. Unless you're referring solely to Zimmerman following.
 
2012-04-02 08:38:40 PM

Mattyb710: How do you know there is no apparent blood from Martin on Zimmerman?


I'm going from the same video everyone else here is seeing. Presumably, those are the same clothes he had on. I see no blood.

Supposedly, Martin was on top of Zimmerman. A bullet hole would presumably let blood out. Gravity only flows one way.

/was there blood on his clothes? Maybe, but I don't see it
//was there head injuries? maybe, but I don't see it
///we DO know there is a dead kid
 
2012-04-02 08:39:13 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weaver95: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Granted, I've only been in a handful of actual fist fights, but it's not like the movies with two guys swinging it out and both ending up bloody and battered. Many times it just takes one good hit to take someone out. If Martin got the upper hand on Zimmermang, he may not have any cuts, scrapes, etc...

um...no. two guys can do a LOT of damage to one another with nothing more than their fists, but they really have to WANT to do that sort of damage. Even in your 'average' scuffle (one that doesn't involve one of the participants reaching for a gun), there's generally a bunch of scrapes, bumps, and bruises on both fighters. its rare for someone to just go down after one hit, despite what you'd think from the movies. Most people take one hit, that adrenaline kicks in and you're either fighting or fleeing as best you can. Point is - all that leaves marks on both people involved at the time.

Weaver95: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Granted, I've only been in a handful of actual fist fights, but it's not like the movies with two guys swinging it out and both ending up bloody and battered. Many times it just takes one good hit to take someone out. If Martin got the upper hand on Zimmermang, he may not have any cuts, scrapes, etc...

um...no. two guys can do a LOT of damage to one another with nothing more than their fists, but they really have to WANT to do that sort of damage. Even in your 'average' scuffle (one that doesn't involve one of the participants reaching for a gun), there's generally a bunch of scrapes, bumps, and bruises on both fighters. its rare for someone to just go down after one hit, despite what you'd think from the movies. Most people take one hit, that adrenaline kicks in and you're either fighting or fleeing as best you can. Point is - all that leaves marks on both people involved at the time.

What are you basing this on? I've personally been in a few fights, but due to the crowd I hung aroun ...


THIS

I have been in fights where I landed solid punches and you would have never known it by looking at me or my hands.

I have also been in fights where I got a huge black eye on just a slight poke to my eye.

The point being, I can slug some guy in the face, and unless I hit teeth my knuckles arent going to show it. ESPECIALLY if the person throwing the punch has worked out on a bag, or trained MMA, boxing, whatever.

The fact that Trayon didnt have anything on his knuckles means little to nothing.
 
2012-04-02 08:39:16 PM

smeegle: Hobodeluxe: smeegle: Was Zimmerman on his back when Martin was slamming his head on the ground?
How did the wounds get on the top part of his head?

If martin was on top of him how did martin end up on his face with his hands under the body? the witnesses say zimmerman was straddling the body with his hands on martin's back holding him down

Well if Martin was on top of him beating his head on the ground then Zimmerman would have to have shot him at close range. Did Martin fall on top of him?


if he did he didn't bleed on his shirt. then again zimmerman's nose didn't either.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Hobodeluxe: smeegle: Was Zimmerman on his back when Martin was slamming his head on the ground?
How did the wounds get on the top part of his head?

If martin was on top of him how did martin end up on his face with his hands under the body? the witnesses say zimmerman was straddling the body with his hands on martin's back holding him down

Did he (Trayvon) die instantly? I know that, if shot in the chest, I would clutch my chest. If I was in the prone position in the first place, say from being pushed aside by someone else, then I would have ended up in the position of my hands being under my body in the prone position.

Also, I hadn't heard that he was found holding Martin down.


Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Lamilla, say they went outside when they heard the gunshot and saw Zimmerman standing over Martin.

"We both saw him straddling the body, basically, a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body and his hands pressed on his back," Cutcher said.

Cutcher says Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.

"Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.
 
2012-04-02 08:39:16 PM

smeegle: Looks more like it's an "X" shape on the top of his head.
Very curious.


Not if Lt. Aldo Raine had had his way with him behind enemy lines.
 
2012-04-02 08:39:22 PM

Weaver95: Scerpes: Difficulty with Cutcher's statement: It's physically impossible. Martin was shot in the chest. Either she didn't see it immediately after the shot, or she's confused about what she saw.

or zimmerman moved the body afterwards to stage the scene.


Ok...but again, if she saw it immediately after the shooting, he wouldn't have had time.
 
2012-04-02 08:39:30 PM

Animatronik: Even if Trayvon hit, you must convict.


upload.wikimedia.org

If the cracka' got hit, you must acquit.
 
2012-04-02 08:39:53 PM

Warlordtrooper: wambu: Consistent with Zimmerman's account? Must be faked of course.

OK even if it is consistent with Zimmerman's account. The stand your ground law still doesn't apply. He stalked the kid, By that act alone he was the aggressor and if anyone would have justification under stand your ground it would be the kid. The fact that he was following this kid and then got out to confront him makes him the aggressor and therefore a murderer.


Following someone and asking them "what are you doing here?" entitles them to kill you? Makes perfect sense to me!
 
2012-04-02 08:40:33 PM

Scerpes: smeegle: Well if Martin was on top of him beating his head on the ground then Zimmerman would have to have shot him at close range. Did Martin fall on top of him?

It's a good question. Martin was found face down. if he was on top Zimmerman would have had to crawl out from under him. I guess that's plausible.


you'd think he would have had a bloody shirt then wouldn't you?
 
2012-04-02 08:40:41 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: what I gather from all these discussion threads it still sounds like Zimmerman escalated the situation and Martin paid the price. the rest is sophistry.

That's speculation. Unless you're referring solely to Zimmerman following.


Zimmerman reads like a guy with poor impulse control. And from what we know of the 911 call, Zimmerman sure sounded like he was looking for a fight.
 
2012-04-02 08:40:44 PM
Ooooh this thread again.

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2012-04-02 08:40:52 PM

osafer: Dr. Mojo PhD: osafer: Dr. Mojo PhD: enhancing

merriam-webster would disagree with you...

Uh nope, just looked it up:

1 obsolete : raise
2 : heighten, increase; especially : to increase or improve in value, quality, desirability, or attractiveness <enhanced the room with crown molding>

Odd, isn't it, that the words "contrast", "levels", "sharpness", or, for that matter, "gamma", "gamut", "resolution", or any number of other things you can do to an image don't appear there.

Oh, that's right, no it isn't. Because those things aren't "enhancing". They're "altering".

I really don't want to get into a useless argument with you, but you are grasping at straws, They may have "heightened" the contrast levels, they also might have "increased" the gamma or improved the desired portion of the video. But that doesn't fit into the argument you want to put forward, so you must attack....


If anyone arguing with mojo here didn't want semantics then they shouldn't have gone after his post mocking CSI terminology.

Don't pull a Zimmerman here folks, let that sleeping dog lie if you don't want to fight it.
 
2012-04-02 08:41:02 PM

Scerpes: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If martin was on top of him how did martin end up on his face with his hands under the body? the witnesses say zimmerman was straddling the body with his hands on martin's back holding him down

Did he (Trayvon) die instantly? I know that, if shot in the chest, I would clutch my chest. If I was in the prone position in the first place, say from being pushed aside by someone else, then I would have ended up in the position of my hands being under my body in the prone position.

Also, I hadn't heard that he was found holding Martin down.

One of the female witnesses (Cutcher) claims she saw Zimmerman and Martin immediately after the shooting, and that Zimmerman was straddling Martin, who was facedown. The first officers on scene found him facedown with his hands underneath him.

Difficulty with Cutcher's statement: It's physically impossible. Martin was shot in the chest. Either she didn't see it immediately after the shot, or she's confused about what she saw.


I would also like to enter into evidence the fact that people do not instantly die when shot in the chest (outside of Hollywood anyway). It is entirely possible Martin put his hands over the wound and rolled onto his stomach before dying.
 
2012-04-02 08:41:08 PM

Mattyb710: Scerpes: Mattyb710: By your own quote if Zimmerman had instigated the physical confrontation he is legally required to exhaust every reasonable means to escape such danger before using deadly force.

Anyway, using a firearm in the commission of a crime is a serious offense in Florida. If Zimmerman assaulted Martin first, and then ended up shooting him he should be charged with that.

I paraphrased and said unable to escape, but yes. Unfortunately, an assault charge is going to be pretty difficult to prove. I think they'll probably get manslaughter or nothing.

Which is unfortunate. If Zimmerman is lying about the events and instigated the physical confrontation he should be put away for murder. However if he is telling the truth, and Martin started it then Zimmerman should not be subjected to a show trial simply to appease the mob.

I'm a gun owner and carry a pistol with me 90% of the time I'm out and about. I'm also a firm believer that anyone who misuses a firearm and/or uses one in the commission of a crime should be nailed to the wall. We don't need jackasses running around causing trouble for the responsible gun owners.


If Zimmerman's story holds up, there won't be a trial. In Florida, the determination of self defense falls to the trial judge pre-trial, and not the jury.
 
2012-04-02 08:41:39 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: Scerpes: Difficulty with Cutcher's statement: It's physically impossible. Martin was shot in the chest. Either she didn't see it immediately after the shot, or she's confused about what she saw.

or zimmerman moved the body afterwards to stage the scene.

Ok...but again, if she saw it immediately after the shooting, he wouldn't have had time.


she might not have been as immediate as she thinks.
 
2012-04-02 08:42:01 PM

Scerpes: t's a good question. Martin was found face down. if he was on top Zimmerman would have had to crawl out from under him. I guess that's plausible.


Then wouldn't Martin have bled on him? Aren't close range gunshots rather messy?
I dunno I am not a forensics expert but Holiday in Express yudda yudda.
 
2012-04-02 08:42:23 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: [i.imgur.com image 640x800]


Christ, it's Luis Guzmán, my neighbor.
 
2012-04-02 08:43:15 PM

Hobodeluxe: Scerpes: smeegle: Well if Martin was on top of him beating his head on the ground then Zimmerman would have to have shot him at close range. Did Martin fall on top of him?

It's a good question. Martin was found face down. if he was on top Zimmerman would have had to crawl out from under him. I guess that's plausible.

you'd think he would have had a bloody shirt then wouldn't you?


Yep. That's an issue. Now, it was raining, but I would expect a great deal of blood. Or at least some.
 
2012-04-02 08:43:36 PM
also - if Martin was shot at close range, wouldn't there be blood or other evidence all over Zimmerman? you scuffle with someone and shoot 'em in the chest that's gonna splatter hydraulic fluid all over the place.
 
2012-04-02 08:43:43 PM
And again I say ... meh.
 
2012-04-02 08:43:52 PM

Weaver95: Ok...but again, if she saw it immediately after the shooting, he wouldn't have had time.

she might not have been as immediate as she thinks.


That's always been my suspicion.
 
2012-04-02 08:44:48 PM

Weaver95: That's speculation. Unless you're referring solely to Zimmerman following.

Zimmerman reads like a guy with poor impulse control. And from what we know of the 911 call, Zimmerman sure sounded like he was looking for a fight.


A fight? He could have challenged Martin at any point if he just wanted a fight. He was following him.
 
2012-04-02 08:44:54 PM
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2012-04-02 08:45:07 PM

ElBarto79: Warlordtrooper: wambu: Consistent with Zimmerman's account? Must be faked of course.

OK even if it is consistent with Zimmerman's account. The stand your ground law still doesn't apply. He stalked the kid, By that act alone he was the aggressor and if anyone would have justification under stand your ground it would be the kid. The fact that he was following this kid and then got out to confront him makes him the aggressor and therefore a murderer.

Following someone and asking them "what are you doing here?" entitles them to kill you? Makes perfect sense to me!


No, but confronting someone following you is legal and the stand your ground defense means Martin had every right to kick Zimmerman's ass if Zimmerman wouldn't leave him alone. Then Zimmerman Killed Martin.


/I still maintain that if Z had stayed in his vehicle, M would be alive. and we'd all be posting cat pics or something
 
2012-04-02 08:45:14 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: Ok...but again, if she saw it immediately after the shooting, he wouldn't have had time.

she might not have been as immediate as she thinks.

That's always been my suspicion.


we also don't know the exact timeline of the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman and how that matches up with what and where the witnesses were when they got involved.
 
2012-04-02 08:46:26 PM

Nem Wan: Isn't it pretty difficult for an unarmed person to injure another person in a fight without causing at least slight injury to themselves?


Not if the fight is completely one-sided.

Zimmerman is 5"9' and a biatchubby. Martin was over 6' tall and was a football player.

Zimmerman was leveled with one punch and then Martin started bashing Zimmerman's head into the pavement as Zimmerman screamed.

How is anything other than a gun going to hurt Martin? ZImmerman was whipped.
 
2012-04-02 08:46:38 PM

smeegle: Scerpes: t's a good question. Martin was found face down. if he was on top Zimmerman would have had to crawl out from under him. I guess that's plausible.

Then wouldn't Martin have bled on him? Aren't close range gunshots rather messy?
I dunno I am not a forensics expert but Holiday in Express yudda yudda.


I would expect so. He was wearing a red and black jacket. I don't know how well it would show on the grainy video. However, the clothes were sent for analysis by the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement. If there's anything on them, they'll know. The medical examiner's report will also be critical to determine how far away Zimmerman was when he pulled the trigger.
 
2012-04-02 08:47:26 PM

Weaver95: we also don't know the exact timeline of the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman and how that matches up with what and where the witnesses were when they got involved


What are you saying? Zimmerman was molesting a corpse? Farking with a dead body in improper burial ritual? Zombie vudu bullshiat?
 
2012-04-02 08:47:26 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: That's speculation. Unless you're referring solely to Zimmerman following.

Zimmerman reads like a guy with poor impulse control. And from what we know of the 911 call, Zimmerman sure sounded like he was looking for a fight.

A fight? He could have challenged Martin at any point if he just wanted a fight. He was following him.


I think that's what Zimmerman was psyching himself up for - a fight. it sounds to me like Zimmerman was trying to be the hero, so he follows Martin (expecting the cops to come along at any minute to back him up) and provokes a fight. then....


[something happens]

Martin is dead, Zimmerman is alive and gets to tell his story.
 
2012-04-02 08:48:08 PM

Weaver95: That's always been my suspicion.

we also don't know the exact timeline of the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman and how that matches up with what and where the witnesses were when they got involved.


No question.
 
2012-04-02 08:48:25 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Ooooh this thread again.

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i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-02 08:48:56 PM

vudukungfu: Weaver95: we also don't know the exact timeline of the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman and how that matches up with what and where the witnesses were when they got involved

What are you saying? Zimmerman was molesting a corpse? Farking with a dead body in improper burial ritual? Zombie vudu bullshiat?


Zimmerman knew he only have a very short window of opportunity to stage the scene. he might have been moving the body around to match the story he was planning to tell the cops.
 
2012-04-02 08:48:57 PM

Weaver95: I think that's what Zimmerman was psyching himself up for - a fight. it sounds to me like Zimmerman was trying to be the hero, so he follows Martin (expecting the cops to come along at any minute to back him up) and provokes a fight. then....


[something happens]

Martin is dead, Zimmerman is alive and gets to tell his story.


Very possibly true. Unfortunately, if that's the case, Florida statute is probably going to cover his ass.
 
2012-04-02 08:50:02 PM

mc6809e: Zimmerman screamed.


It's still debatable if it was Zimmerman screaming for help.
Maybe Martin kicked him in the nuts and it raised his voice an octave or two.
 
2012-04-02 08:50:14 PM

Scerpes: I would expect so. He was wearing a red and black jacket. I don't know how well it would show on the grainy video. However, the clothes were sent for analysis by the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement. If there's anything on them, they'll know. The medical examiner's report will also be critical to determine how far away Zimmerman was when he pulled the trigger.


Victim's clothes. Forensics. Any data on that? Other than the undertaker not seeing any signs of a struggle on the victim? Oh, that's right. The victim was black, so he didn't deserve a ME investigation. They just let him rot for awhile and then released him when it was imperative to get him into the ground so he wouldn't stink.
 
2012-04-02 08:50:16 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: That's speculation. Unless you're referring solely to Zimmerman following.

Zimmerman reads like a guy with poor impulse control. And from what we know of the 911 call, Zimmerman sure sounded like he was looking for a fight.

A fight? He could have challenged Martin at any point if he just wanted a fight. He was following him.


unless he was looking for a dark alley between the buildings away from security cameras and streetlights. hell trayvon was only almost to where he was staying. from the girlfriend's account of the phone call Zimmerman yelled "hey what are you doing here?" causing trayvon to stop trayvon said "why are you following me?" then she heard a scuffle and the phone went dead.
 
2012-04-02 08:50:21 PM

Weaver95: vudukungfu: Weaver95: we also don't know the exact timeline of the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman and how that matches up with what and where the witnesses were when they got involved

What are you saying? Zimmerman was molesting a corpse? Farking with a dead body in improper burial ritual? Zombie vudu bullshiat?

Zimmerman knew he only have a very short window of opportunity to stage the scene. he might have been moving the body around to match the story he was planning to tell the cops.


Oh, come on. That's a little far fetched.
 
2012-04-02 08:50:29 PM

mc6809e: Nem Wan: Isn't it pretty difficult for an unarmed person to injure another person in a fight without causing at least slight injury to themselves?

Not if the fight is completely one-sided.

Zimmerman is 5"9' and a biatchubby. Martin was over 6' tall and was a football player.

Zimmerman was leveled with one punch and then Martin started bashing Zimmerman's head into the pavement as Zimmerman screamed.

How is anything other than a gun going to hurt Martin? ZImmerman was whipped.


i.imgur.com

/sorry I'm late to the thread everyone, I was having dinner.
 
2012-04-02 08:51:13 PM

Weaver95: Zimmerman knew he only have a very short window of opportunity to stage the scene. he might have been moving the body around to match the story he was planning to tell the cops


So, molesting a corpse then? Farking Necro-Racist.
 
2012-04-02 08:51:30 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: I think that's what Zimmerman was psyching himself up for - a fight. it sounds to me like Zimmerman was trying to be the hero, so he follows Martin (expecting the cops to come along at any minute to back him up) and provokes a fight. then....


[something happens]

Martin is dead, Zimmerman is alive and gets to tell his story.

Very possibly true. Unfortunately, if that's the case, Florida statute is probably going to cover his ass.


And if that's how it went down, then Florida is going to be a very twitchy place to be for a while. people will (rightly, IMHO) assume that Zimmerman got away with murder. which would make Zimmerman's life all kinds of exciting for a while, and not in the good way.
 
2012-04-02 08:51:41 PM

Tom_Slick: I have not followed this very closely, but one observation I can make, the media attention has completely killed any chance for real justice in this case.

Now this is what I have gathered of the 2 parties so far please correct me if I am wrong:

Zimmerman was playing the part of the self important neighborhood watch captain cop wanna be out "patrolling" to keep his streets "safe" while carrying a gun and having absolutely no situational or appropriate use of deadly force training.

Martin was out making a store run during half-time, dressed as most young men his age dress, he was in a hurry and was moving along at more than a leisurely pace taking shortcuts etc.

They both thought the other was up to no good, one called the cops the other called his sister. They started yelling at each other, a fight ensued and Zimmerman shot Martin.

The police originally did not charge Zimmerman with a crime (bad police work in my opinion), then public opinion got the case reopened (good community work)

If it had ended there justice may have been served, but with all the Media Attention Whores grandstanding there is no chance of a fair trail for Zimmerman, and no chance that Martin's background won't be scrutinized and embellished to prove a political point.


There is no chance of a fair trial because of people like you. Do you realize how much your view is slanted there? Zimmerman is evil, Tray is an angel, cops should have arrested and charged Zimmerman without reason, etc.
 
2012-04-02 08:52:42 PM

vudukungfu: Zombie vudu bullshiat?


Naw Zimmerman is Hispanic, it would have to be that Santa Maria nonsense or whatever.
That chicken farkin thing.
 
2012-04-02 08:53:06 PM

vudukungfu: Scerpes: I would expect so. He was wearing a red and black jacket. I don't know how well it would show on the grainy video. However, the clothes were sent for analysis by the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement. If there's anything on them, they'll know. The medical examiner's report will also be critical to determine how far away Zimmerman was when he pulled the trigger.

Victim's clothes. Forensics. Any data on that? Other than the undertaker not seeing any signs of a struggle on the victim? Oh, that's right. The victim was black, so he didn't deserve a ME investigation. They just let him rot for awhile and then released him when it was imperative to get him into the ground so he wouldn't stink.


There's been absolutely no indication that they didn't do an autopsy.
 
2012-04-02 08:53:15 PM
If Zimmerman really did have a head wound that looked like THAT, his family has a major lawsuit to file against the paramedics and police at the scene of the crime, because George has now been dead for 3 weeks due to either intracranial hemorrhaging or a nasty infection. If the back of Zimmerman's head really looked like that at the scene, any paramedic would've shipped his ass off to the nearest hospital to get a CT scan immediately to look for cerebral edema, skull fractures, and some other things that are usually fatal if not treated within a few hours.
 
2012-04-02 08:53:23 PM

Scerpes: Oh, come on. That's a little far fetched.


Not really. Ever read the book on how to re-arrange a crime scene?
How 'bout how to re-arrange a crime scene in a war crime?
Or how to re-arrange a crime scene after a rape, dismemberment and vudu ritual?

Didn't think so, n00b.
 
2012-04-02 08:53:26 PM

Scerpes: Weaver95: vudukungfu: Weaver95: we also don't know the exact timeline of the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman and how that matches up with what and where the witnesses were when they got involved

What are you saying? Zimmerman was molesting a corpse? Farking with a dead body in improper burial ritual? Zombie vudu bullshiat?

Zimmerman knew he only have a very short window of opportunity to stage the scene. he might have been moving the body around to match the story he was planning to tell the cops.

Oh, come on. That's a little far fetched.


not really. the CSI effect flows both ways. i'm just saying its possible that Zimmerman moved things around a bit to make things match his story.
 
2012-04-02 08:53:59 PM
I have a question for the Zimmerman apologists:

Why didn't you come to O.J. Simpson's defense? Ron Goldman was doing his best to beat O.J. up. Ron Goldman had a couple decades on O.J. and didn't have busted-up knees. O.J. had defensive cuts on his hands and there was blood all over his car.

//Why didn't Ron go to jail? Farking LAPD.
 
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