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2012-04-03 02:04:15 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: The comment was not about the middle finger. It was about the fact that the media censored and cleaned up Trayvon's image, even going to the extent of using misleading photos, to portray a wholesome childlike appearance.


"The Media" lacking any public domain photographs of Martin probably asked his parents for photos and those are the ones they provided. When it comes to Zimmerman, there was a public domain photo available from his prior booking.

But of course it can't be that simple, it has to be an organized conspiracy. Better tighten your tin foil hat just in case.
 
2012-04-03 02:05:35 AM

Thrag: ThrobblefootSpectre: The comment was not about the middle finger. It was about the fact that the media censored and cleaned up Trayvon's image, even going to the extent of using misleading photos, to portray a wholesome childlike appearance.

"The Media" lacking any public domain photographs of Martin probably asked his parents for photos and those are the ones they provided. When it comes to Zimmerman, there was a public domain photo available from his prior booking.

But of course it can't be that simple, it has to be an organized conspiracy. Better tighten your tin foil hat just in case.


Well that and, of course, the comment was about Trayvon's appearance. OnlyM3 goes and says "good riddance to bad rubbish" and Throbblefoot comes charging in screaming that it's a comment about media bias, the farking idiot.
 
2012-04-03 02:11:36 AM

TheNyquilKid: Still doesn't change the fact that a grown adult was stalking a 17 year old, who according to Florida State law, has the right to stand his ground against the grown adult who was threatening him.


/Not to mention all the holes in Zimmerman's story.


First punch takes the prize though. I couldnt care less which one of them is guilty, who is wrong, or who died. There are a hundred murders worse than this happening everyday. You only care about this one because your political masters tell you to be enraged.

The only interesting thing about this particular death is the insane way the political left has jumped all over it as a potential campaign issue. Im much more itnerested in why three nut cases from an adjacent state killed nutjob #1's girlfriend, dismembered her and decided to drive to my freaking neck of the woods to dump the bodies. Theres a ton more evil and wierdness in that story. But I guess since it doesnt involve race baiting its not interesting to you. Now there was an interesting bit of race violence in my own neighborhood yesterday. 5 black kids attacked an 8 year old white kid without warning, and when he ran they pursued him to his home where they were run off by his father and a neighbor. Martins name was mentioned in the attack. Two months ago it was a 'black out' gang. They were ambushing white and hispanic kids walking home from the local high school. Their MO was to attack without warning and try to KO the victim with a single punch to the face. On average they were 3-4 years older than the kids they were attacking. But there isnt a culture of violence there, the only culture of violence you see is the gun culture.

Take it from me 99% of the gun culture is old guys talking about different ammunition types and complaining that ammo is too expensive to shoot anymore. No one I know has serious plans on pulling a gun in anger. They all would if they were attacked or their families or neighbors were in danger, but they have homes and businesses and insurance and they are smart enough to know that stopping one burglary isnt worth losing your life savings.

But again, doesnt ruffle your feathers because you have your marching orders and your certified spin.
 
2012-04-03 02:17:27 AM
Wow, Dr Mojo might actually Mojo Jojo.
 
2012-04-03 02:18:52 AM

Thrag: "The Media" lacking any public domain photographs of Martin probably asked his parents for photos and those are the ones they provided. When it comes to Zimmerman, there was a public domain photo available from his prior booking.


Uh huh. Yeah. I'm guessing that explains why they carefully edited the phone call which, by everyone's admission, including the media who did it, made Zimmerman's sound racist. They just accidentally edited the recording in that particular way was just an innocent accident. Right?

Jeesh. The populace while watching the popular media: "Moo." *chew cud*
 
2012-04-03 02:21:24 AM

archichris: The only interesting thing about this particular death is the insane way the political left has jumped all over it as a potential campaign issue.


Yeah that didn't happen. What actually happened was it began to get State-wide and then national and international attention. President Obama made a comment, and, as usual, this caused right-wingers to freak the fark out. The conservative candidates, instead of just understanding that they should agree with something on principle and not use it to make political hay, started screaming and hollering about how Obama was trying to racially divide the world and all this bullshiat.

See, they turned it into a campaign issue and then blamed "leftists" like your stupid ass is doing. This is demonstrable. This is a straight sequence of events. Instead of knowing to keep their mouths a) shut or just b) agree with the president that it should be investigated in its fullest, they pulled their typical stupid bullshiat and when it started blowing up in their faces farking mutants like you crawled out of the woodwork and tried to blame it all on the mean liberals, your go-to boogeyman for whenever you farking twats shoot yourselves in the foot.

Maybe if you dumb tits got over your stupid need to scream "BLACK!" every time a liberal said "white," these situations wouldn't blow up in your face like this and we could all agree that this is a tragedy that this boy is dead and the situation deserves to be investigated to its fullest. Instead you morons think that whoever commented on it first staked some farking claim to it and if they're not defied, denied, and subjected to stupid contrarian bullshiat to at least muddy the waters enough (regardless of right or wrong) you'll somehow "lose." Hint: The reason you keep "losing" is because of idiotic gainsaying like that.
 
2012-04-03 02:22:42 AM

doglover: Wow, Dr Mojo might actually Mojo Jojo.


And you'll point out what, if anything, I'm actually wrong about any... oh... never.
 
2012-04-03 02:30:19 AM

cleek: arrest the farker. make him prove his side of the story. it's the least he can do, given that he killed a kid after chasing him through the neighborhood for no goddamn reason at all.


Wow. Seriously? Are you so stupid that you don't understand how the law works? He doesn't have to prove he's innocent. The state has to prove he's guilty. You should learn some basic facts about the law before you start spouting off in a public form.
 
2012-04-03 03:15:48 AM

bugontherug: 1) Zimmerman reportedly told police he screamed for help.
2) The audio evidence of someone screaming for help on the 911 recording has been shown not to be Zimmerman's voice.


bugontherug: Except that Zimmerman appears to have lied to the police about screaming for help


bugontherug: They've established that it was not Zimmerman's voice calling for help on the 911 audio.


Before going out on a limb (I think you're already out there, btw) you might research this 'expert' who is making those claims about forensic voice analysis.

Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"
Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics.

Well, surely since he's an expert, he went to Harvard or Yale or Oxford, right?
Well, no he went to Bellarmine College in Kentucky. You've heard of Bellarmine College, right? [Normally I deplore this credentialism but if Tom Owen was an expert for the right his college degree is all we would hear about.]

Well, but surely he's worked for the FBI or CIA as a forensics examiner?
No, but he did work for the New York Public Library in charge of their Rogers and Hammerstein archive.

But surely he's written some books about forensics that the FBI and CIA use, right?
No, but he has written extensively about the banjo and did a coloring book:

Tom Owen, Scaling the Fretboard (Chappell Music 1973)
Tom Owen, The Chord Coloring Book (Chappell Music 1974)
Tom Owen, Tenor Banjo (Chappell Music 1975)
Tom Owen, Lead Guitar (Chappell Music 1976)
Tom Owen, The Classic Blues Singers (Chappell Music 1977)

What about his wife Jennifer Owen ... surely she's a hotshot FBI forensics examiner, right?
No, she makes Powerpoint presentations and is a secretary with a political science degree, not a forensics degree.

But surely they have an advanced forensic acoustics laboratory where they conduct their forensic analysis right?
No, they just have a computer in the basement of their house in New Jersey right next to the railroad tracks.

But surely he's a member of the American Board of Recorded Evidence?
Yes, but he and his wife run the Board. He's the chairman, and she's a board member. The Board is run out of a weight-loss clinic in Springfield, Missouri along with a bunch of other dubious "boards," "colleges" and "Institutes."

American Board for Certification in Homeland Security - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American Association for Integrative Medicine Inc - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American College of Forensic Examiners International - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MOC
College of Wellness - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO
American Psychotherapy Association - Address: 2750 East Sunshine St. Springfield, MO

There are no colleges or real boards here. There's a fat farm weight loss clinic at that location. They appear to have certified themselves experts by running this board themselves.

Now, let's examine the software they used to perform their analysis. How good is it?

Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.

Remember, Mr. Owen said he'd expect a 90% match before he concluded that the voices were identical. Although when he's testifying in murder cases, he claims a 68% match is enough to send someone to prison for the rest of their life (CT v Sheila Davalloo). Even in the software makers own demonstration of the product, using two KNOWN samples of speech from the same famous person, there was only an 86% match.

What about the algorithm they're using to make the comparison? How good is it? UNKNOWN. That's proprietary. They won't tell you what they're actually measuring.
 
2012-04-03 04:12:11 AM
If video of the actual incident surfaced, Trayvon's supporters would say it's faked if it doesn't verify their wishful thinking.
 
2012-04-03 04:22:02 AM
Which option will be worse

A) The DA won't waste funds on a case that he feels can not be successfully prosecuted.
B) They take it to the grand jury, and the grand jury says there isn't enough evidence to take it to trial.
C) They get to court and Zimmerman gets off (using self-defence and stand your ground).
D) They get a conviction but it's on a lesser charge that results in less than a year in jail and probation.

First degree murder is out
Second degree murder would be almost impossible to prove
So that leaves manslaughter, and looking at what is being said from the perspective of someone on the jury, I have a reasonable doubt.
However I would totally convict on criminal negligence, he shouldn't have brought a gun with him. Riots in the street?


Also something that really pisses me off about Obama. He just has to open his mouth about these issues. Recall the beer summit, which took place because he couldn't keep his trap shut about an on-going investigation. He's a farkin' lawyer, shame on him for acting like a school girl gossip. He should just say something like "I have the justice department looking into this, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but if evidence shows he committed the crime I will instruct them to prosecute to the fullest extent." You know, something F'ing presidential. Instead we get an emotional appeal that Trayvon could have been his son, had he had a son, blah blah blah.
 
2012-04-03 04:35:31 AM

Alien Robot: Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"
Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics.


It's worth pointing out, for the curious, that there is no degree in "forensics". There's various degrees in different forensic fields, but you don't need, and most expert witnesses do not have, degrees in "forensic" anything. Forensic just means something pertaining to courts of law. I mean literally, that's what it means. Forensic psychology is just psychology as it applies to legal cases. You can be a psychologist without any sort of "fancy" "forensics" degree and still have valuable testimony. There's no such thing as a "forensics expert", this is more CSI terminology bullshiat. A forensic expert is somebody who would more or less be qualified to be every type of witness, judge, and lawyer. Expert witnesses are just subject-matter experts in a particular field who use their knowledge of that field to testify towards it. This entire Q&A is entirely stupid on its face. It may as well ask "Is he really a 'forensic expert'" and then answer "Well, no. He prefers his chicken friend, not forensics."

The entire Q&A goes on far more rambling stupidity. There's this:

Alien Robot: Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.


So? I mean honestly, so what? How different were the recordings? How were they encoded? Were they recorded on a medium prone to decay? Wild or controlled? Cardioid mic? Shotgun? What was the position of the mic? What machines were used to record them?

This complaint may range from the extremely valid (it would be very telling if it couldn't match a single sample played twice, or even had a significant lack of confidence) or extremely hilarious in how pathetic it was (like mocking 86% confidence in biometric image analysis if the image was of, say, the front of Nixon's head and the back of it).

And then this:

Alien Robot: Well, surely since he's an expert, he went to Harvard or Yale or Oxford, right?
Well, no he went to Bellarmine College in Kentucky. You've heard of Bellarmine College, right? [Normally I deplore this credentialism but if Tom Owen was an expert for the right his college degree is all we would hear about.]


The typical right-wing persecution complex, bonus points to the persecution complex for viewing this issue as left/right.

What makes all the whining and crying so goddamned hilarious, though, is they pass over the thing to criticize Owen on, the thing that should be setting off alarm bells:

The examiner can only work with speech samples which are the same as the text of the unknown recording. Under the best of circumstances the suspects will repeat, several times, the text of the recording of the unknown speaker and these words will be recorded in a similar manner to the recording of the unknown speaker. For example, if the recording of the unknown speaker was a bomb threat made to a recorded telephone line then each of the suspects would repeat the threat, word for word, to a recorded telephone line. This will provide the examiner with not only the same speech sounds for comparison but also with valuable information about the way each speech sound completes the transition to the next sound.

Anybody who's worked with audio analysis knows that the gold standard is to record on the exact same device. Not just "over a phone line". You try to get the same make and model phone. You try to get the exact same phone. Was a bomb threat phoned in from a phone booth (you know, when they still had those)? You don't just go to any phone booth. You get the same phone booth to try to capture the same ambience and spatial tones, like how far cars are in the distance -- two feet from the booth, ten -- how voices echo off the buildings around it. All of this matters. Devices have peculiarities they develop over time. Pocket recording devices of the tape variety might produce intermittent clicking, which will vary between individual devices. Or sounds may be created if they're carried in a purse or something, like the way it taps against keys or smaller change purse.

Fact of the matter is, I read that above paragraph from his website and it reads like he's half-assing it, trying to sound clever. Funny thing is, you can fairly accurately simulate a phone line -- the 8 kHz sampling frequency and 64 kbit/s bitrate are basically bog-standard in land line telephony -- and those are your givens. They're your freebies. They're the part that's easy. The part that's hard is recreating all the little peculiarities to a piece of audio that make it distinct. It's like he honestly doesn't understand that.
 
2012-04-03 04:36:08 AM

Alien Robot: Before going out on a limb (I think you're already out there, btw) you might research this 'expert' who is making those claims about forensic voice analysis


I've been wondering about that. When I heard 40% match, that to me sounds fishy. Shouldn't it be a match or non-match. In other words beyond statistical error or not. Notice that Maury doesn't say "you're 98.235% the father!"
 
2012-04-03 04:37:15 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: ciberido: But you lose credibility for characterizing the people who disagree with you as a "mob,"

At least I have some credibility at all. The people presuming guilt have none whatsoever.

And I happen to think mob is quite accurate, considering there is a civilian bounty on Zimmerman's head, and people attempting to tweet his location in an attempt to promote retaliation.


Wow, that's fuct up. I hope that some random armed person doesn't follow him around, demand to know what he's doing. instigate trouble with him, and pull out their weapon to "protect themselves".

Of course, Zimmerman prolly knows better than to stay in Floriduh. Just in case.

/It really is messed up that people are tweeting his whereabouts.
 
2012-04-03 04:46:28 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD:

The entire Q&A goes on far more rambling stupidity. There's this:

Alien Robot: Well, given two KNOWN samples of speech by President Richard M. Nixon, the software only matched two recordings to a 86% match.

So? I mean honestly, so what? How different were the recordings? How were they encoded? Were they recorded on a medium prone to decay? Wild or controlled? Cardioid mic? Shotgun? What was the position of the mic? What machines were used to record them?

This complaint may range from the extremely valid (it would be very telling if it couldn't match a single sample played twice, or even had a significant lack of confidence) or extremely hilarious in how pathetic it was (like mocking 86% confidence in biometric image analysis if the image was of, say, the front of Nixon's head and the back of it).


If you have two samples of regular speech from the same person, and they don't match, that means your method doesn't work. That's not a hard concept to understand. Then to top if off you're basically guessing that 40% match might mean something, after all this guy is analyzing screaming from a distance over a cellphone, versus him talking right into a cellphone, which might even have a different type of microphone. Sounds like junk "science" to me.
 
2012-04-03 05:26:19 AM

pedobearapproved: If you have two samples of regular speech from the same person, and they don't match, that means your method doesn't work. That's not a hard concept to understand.


Uh yeah it is champ. You take two known samples because you can know if they're the same person or not, and the software can't. The whole point behind that is to test its tolerance. A sample of speech from a known individual isn't anything like, say, a sample of skin. Everything from the directionality of the mic to where it's positioned is going to change what it sounds like.

pedobearapproved: Then to top if off you're basically guessing that 40% match might mean something, after all this guy is analyzing screaming from a distance over a cellphone, versus him talking right into a cellphone, which might even have a different type of microphone.


So let me get this straight. First you whine that I'm wrong because I point out microphone directionality and positioning can change how a sample sounds and so you can claim how the software should work anyway, then you point the same thing out yourself to complain that the software shouldn't. You get dropped on your head as a kid or something?

pedobearapproved: Sounds like junk "science" to me.


Well then maybe you should have controlled your knee-jerk and managed to read through a whopping few more paragraphs and realized that I point out the exact same thing. Granted, I didn't do it based on "Positioning shouldn't affect your software, position should affect your software" so maybe the lack of internal contradiction flipped your trigger or something, but here you go, champ:

Dr. Mojo PhD: Fact of the matter is, I read that above paragraph from his website and it reads like he's half-assing it, trying to sound clever. Funny thing is, you can fairly accurately simulate a phone line -- the 8 kHz sampling frequency and 64 kbit/s bitrate are basically bog-standard in land line telephony -- and those are your givens. They're your freebies. They're the part that's easy. The part that's hard is recreating all the little peculiarities to a piece of audio that make it distinct. It's like he honestly doesn't understand that.


I know reading's hard and all, boss, but come on. At least try.
 
2012-04-03 05:36:39 AM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Wow, that's fuct up. I hope that some random armed person doesn't follow him around, demand to know what he's doing. instigate trouble with him, and pull out their weapon to "protect themselves".



Yeah. Groups of New Black Panthers have now distributed flyers around central Florida showing a picture of Zimmerman in cross hairs, offering a $10k reward. There are vigilante Panther groups out searching nearby cities for him now.

The police and governor Rick Scott have spoken out showing "disapproval" of the vigilante groups patrolling cities, asking them to stop posting viliante monetary rewards.

I live right in the middle of it, but I have no idea if any of this is being reported in the slightest out side of Florida, or even the local metro area.
 
2012-04-03 05:55:55 AM

pedobearapproved: Which option will be worse

A) The DA won't waste funds on a case that he feels can not be successfully prosecuted.
B) They take it to the grand jury, and the grand jury says there isn't enough evidence to take it to trial.
C) They get to court and Zimmerman gets off (using self-defence and stand your ground).
D) They get a conviction but it's on a lesser charge that results in less than a year in jail and probation.


Interesting Post. Somehow I doubt B) will happen. It is way far too big now for a grand jury to say there not enough evidence, whether there is or not. It might be true, but they can't and won't say that. Remember that two different DA's have already said exactly that, and independently decided not to press charges, before the national uproar caused an additional push to go forward with it.


pedobearapproved: Also something that really pisses me off about Obama. He just has to open his mouth about these issues. Recall the beer summit, which took place because he couldn't keep his trap shut about an on-going investigation. He's a farkin' lawyer, shame on him for acting like a school girl gossip. He should just say something like "I have the justice department looking into this, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but if evidence shows he committed the crime I will instruct them to prosecute to the fullest extent." You know, something F'ing presidential. Instead we get an emotional appeal that Trayvon could have been his son, had he had a son, blah blah blah.


Unfortunately, I strongly agree with this. It was a stupid and unpolitic thing for a sitting president to say about an ongoing investigation that is almost certainly going to trial.
 
2012-04-03 05:58:52 AM
Why does the area around the injury look like it was shaved?
Why are there not any bandages on the injury if it happened just 35-40 minutes previously.
Scalp wounds bleed like a biatch, where is blood?
Why was the ambulance in route to care for Zimmerman told not to come?
 
2012-04-03 06:36:34 AM
Uncrop... (new window)

/Oblig
 
2012-04-03 06:45:55 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Close2TheEdge: I don't understand why he hasn't been arrested. The guy SHOT and KILLED a kid. Maybe he was justified, that's for the court to decide when hard evidence is presented, but what kind of ass-backwards state allows a person who SHOT and KILLED to go free without even so much as an arrest?

Oh yeah...Florida.

So, everyone who shoots and kills someone should be immediately arrested, charged with a crime, and tried by jury? Regardless of the circumstances?


No, but in this case, there is clearly enough extenuating circumstances to warrant an arrest and trial by jury. He may be innocent, and if so, should be cleared of wrongdoing. But to deny the parents a day in court with their son's killer is an insult.

Tell you what. If I was being stalked by some guy just for walking on the street, I'd probably take a swing at him too.
 
2012-04-03 06:50:05 AM
Just a cotton picking minute here.

There are two people claiming to be eyewitnesses to the denouement of the shooting.

The first, John, said that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, that he indicated to the two of them that he was going to call 911, and that he went upstairs to do so. At about the time he got upstairs, he heard a shot, whereupon he called 911.

The second, Mary Cutcher, said that she heard a shot and went outside, whereupon she saw *Zimmerman* on top of *Martin.*

How can both witnesses be telling the truth? If they are, how did Zimmerman get out from under Martin and on top of him in a matter of seconds, even though Martin had turned into dead weight in the meantime?

But, but, but---what if both witnesses *are* telling the truth?

If they are, I can see one possible scenario: Martin hears "John" indicate that he will call 911. Martin, who is already under suspension from school, has no desire to get involved with the police, and reluctantly starts to get up from over Zimmerman with a view to going home to his dad and the dad's girlfriend. Whereupon Zimmerman whips out his pistol and shoots Martin. Martin starts to keel over dead, and Zimmerman scrambles out of the way of Martin's falling body to avoid being hit by it. After Martin's body strikes the ground, Zimmerman gets on top of it just to make sure Martin is dead or disabled, whereupon he is seen by Mary Cutcher.
 
2012-04-03 07:36:10 AM
I think the most worrisome thing about this thread is the absence of 9beers. Could someone go to his mom's basement and make sure he is ok? I'm starting to get concerned.
 
2012-04-03 07:45:45 AM

Close2TheEdge: Tell you what. If I was being stalked by some guy just for walking on the street, I'd probably take a swing at him too.


I know right? If anyone ever asks me a question on the street, I'm definitely going to jump on him and start wailing away.
 
2012-04-03 07:46:30 AM

Giant Clown Shoe: Well as long as you're being a smart ass. The Florida "Stand Your Ground" law eliminates the need to prove self defense if two conditions are met. It sounds like here they think those conditions have been met because he hasn't been charged.


Yes, and that would be the issue at hand. That those conditions were not met, but that the police didn't seem to do even a cursory investigation to notice this. They just took his word for it.

gameshowhost: Not in Florida. (new window)

"In Florida, once self-defense becomes an issue at trial, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense -- a heavy burden."

And before that: "Importantly, a person cannot invoke this provision if he is "engaged in unlawful activity" or "initially provokes the use of force against himself."

AFAIK the second part is the burden that is being placed on Z.


If I ever want to murder someone, I definitely need to go to Florida.
 
2012-04-03 07:47:42 AM
I think zimmerman should be found guilty and executed because his eyes are too close together.

/it`s as strong a logic as many of the things said here
//and just as relevent legally
 
2012-04-03 07:50:37 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Close2TheEdge: Tell you what. If I was being stalked by some guy just for walking on the street, I'd probably take a swing at him too.

I know right? If anyone ever asks me a question on the street, I'm definitely going to jump on him and start wailing away.


so you think someone is stalking you if they ask you a question? I would have thought being followed at night by someone with a gun might be more of a sign.
 
2012-04-03 07:56:06 AM
dukwbutter
2012-04-03 02:30:19 AM
cleek: arrest the farker. make him prove his side of the story. it's the least he can do, given that he killed a kid after chasing him through the neighborhood for no goddamn reason at all.

Wow. Seriously? Are you so stupid that you don't understand how the law works? He doesn't have to prove he's innocent. The state has to prove he's guilty. You should learn some basic facts about the law before you start spouting off in a public form.


Maybe you should take a refresher for your law GED.
He's not innocent. He killed a kid. He's guilty of that. That's not in question. Now it's up to him to prove the killing was justified.
And that's how it should be. If you kill someone you get arrested. Period.
THEN, you get your day in court and you can prove your case that it was justified, self defense, insanity, a frameup...whatever.
But to get your day in court you must first get booked, Danno.
 
2012-04-03 08:12:18 AM
ecx.images-amazon.com

Contrary to what the "trayvon camp" is determined to believe; black people do in fact dislike white people, and might even jump them from behind and slam their head into a curb if they feel even the slightest transgression from said whitey. Unfortunately for this particular angry black man, whitey had a gun.

The true irony is that the desperate cries from al sharpton and company (where the hell is your church anyway, reverend?) are actually spotlighting the very thing they are trying to convince everyone isn't true; the fact that racism is a two way street, and this black person paid the ultimate price for reacting to being seen as suspicious for wearing a hoodie in the shadows, at night by the neighborhood watch guy.

Surely, jumping him from behind, and smashing his head into the curb will show people that their views of black people being violent and intimidating are baseless. and the beat goes on.
 
2012-04-03 09:02:31 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Surely, jumping him from behind, and smashing his head into the curb will show people that their views of black people being violent and intimidating are baseless. and the beat goes on.


Surely believing doubledecker hearsay from Zimmerman's family will show people that you are credulous.
 
2012-04-03 09:15:28 AM

Alien Robot: bugontherug: 1) Zimmerman reportedly told police he screamed for help.
2) The audio evidence of someone screaming for help on the 911 recording has been shown not to be Zimmerman's voice.

bugontherug: Except that Zimmerman appears to have lied to the police about screaming for help

bugontherug: They've established that it was not Zimmerman's voice calling for help on the 911 audio.

Before going out on a limb (I think you're already out there, btw) you might research this 'expert' who is making those claims about forensic voice analysis.

Tom Owen. Is he really a "forensics expert?"
Well, no. He has a B.A. in History, not forensics.

Well, surely since he's an expert, he went to Harvard or Yale or Oxford, right?
Well, no he went to Bellarmine College in Kentucky. You've heard of Bellarmine College, right? [Normally I deplore this credentialism but if Tom Owen was an expert for the right his college degree is all we would hear about.]

Well, but surely he's worked for the FBI or CIA as a forensics examiner?
No, but he did work for the New York Public Library in charge of their Rogers and Hammerstein archive.

But surely he's written some books about forensics that the FBI and CIA use, right?
No, but he has written extensively about the banjo and did a coloring book:

Tom Owen, Scaling the Fretboard (Chappell Music 1973)
Tom Owen, The Chord Coloring Book (Chappell Music 1974)
Tom Owen, Tenor Banjo (Chappell Music 1975)
Tom Owen, Lead Guitar (Chappell Music 1976)
Tom Owen, The Classic Blues Singers (Chappell Music 1977)

What about his wife Jennifer Owen ... surely she's a hotshot FBI forensics examiner, right?
No, she makes Powerpoint presentations and is a secretary with a political science degree, not a forensics degree.

But surely they have an advanced forensic acoustics laboratory where they conduct their forensic analysis right?
No, they just have a computer in the basement of their house in New Jersey right next to the railroad tracks.

But surely h ...


Lawyer. Be one. That was the nicest and kindest I've ever seen a person rip the ass off of an expert.
 
2012-04-03 09:28:24 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Contrary to what the "trayvon camp" is determined to believe; black people do in fact dislike white people, and might even jump them from behind and slam their head into a curb if they feel even the slightest transgression from said whitey. Unfortunately for this particular angry black man, whitey had a gun.

The true irony is that the desperate cries from al sharpton and company (where the hell is your church anyway, reverend?) are actually spotlighting the very thing they are trying to convince everyone isn't true; the fact that racism is a two way street, and this black person paid the ultimate price for reacting to being seen as suspicious for wearing a hoodie in the shadows, at night by the neighborhood watch guy.

Surely, jumping him from behind, and smashing his head into the curb will show people that their views of black people being violent and intimidating are baseless. and the beat goes on.


meh 0/10

/oh, and what the hell is that book about? Reverse racism? reverse? Racism is racism.
//if black on white is reverse racism what variety of racism is Fijian on Indian racism or Japanese on Thai racism? Bizarro racism? 33.3% racism racism lite? 4th dimensional racism.
 
2012-04-03 09:36:55 AM

Mattyb710: if Zimmerman had


And this is where it falls apart. What evidence is there that he did?
 
2012-04-03 09:37:31 AM
And NBC edited the 911 tape, removing some of the stuff Zimmerman said. Now they are performing their own internal investigation because the edited tape is misleading.
 
2012-04-03 09:41:28 AM

This is what actually happened. This is a tape of George Zimmerman's 911 call.

ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around looking about.

DISPATCHER: Okay. This guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?

ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.

Here's how it aired on NBC.

ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black.


You want to talk about distortion?
 
2012-04-03 09:42:02 AM
Why don't you all shut the fark up until the police report / DA investigtion is released. Remember the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing?
If he's found guilty by the courts then fry him, but if he's innocent, it makes you look like a racist mob no better that those that strung blacks up in the past.
One other thing, If he's described as a "white" hispanic because of a white father and hispanic mother, is Obama a "white" Black? Do you see how labling people gets a little silly?
 
2012-04-03 09:43:32 AM

SlothB77: You want to talk about distortion?


I hear this one is pretty awesome.
sharemyguitar.com
 
2012-04-03 09:44:27 AM

kyrg: Do you see how labling people gets a little silly?


I will favorite you as "a little silly"
 
2012-04-03 10:01:41 AM

DavidVincent: Have fun. I'm sooo over this.


Send in the alt!

Scerpes: Mattyb710: Let's face it. At this point, even if Zimmerman is telling the truth, and he was 100% correct in pulling that trigger, he's going to end up going to jail for it.

Or worse.


There we go.
 
2012-04-03 10:03:53 AM

Weaver95: Scerpes: I don't see how that one helps Zimmerman. Martin told his girlfriend he was going to walk fast. Regardless, somehow Zimmerman got between Martin and his house.

it makes more sense if Zimmerman was moving faster than Martin.


Maybe Zimmerman had a vehicle, or wasn't a fat sack of shiat like the vigilante wannabes wanted us to believe...
 
2012-04-03 10:04:57 AM
I am sick and tired of this shiat!

I am going to dress up in my best Vicky Secrets lace undergarments to enhance my bodacious 44DDs, put on my sheer pink stockings, sassy thigh high pink skirt to enhance my 40 inch ass, sheer pink tank top, pink cowgirl hat, pink cowgirl boots, hot pink accessory carrier where I'll have my pink .45 and a pink handled razor.

Hop into my fire-engine red Pontiac Solstice with two gallons of pink lemonade, a bag of pink NASA adult diapers, and a case of pink (cherry/strawberry) power bars and drive non-stop to Seminole County and hunt Zimmerman dog down.

When I catch him I'll wound him with my pink .45 - then he will cry like a little biatch and then I'll use my pink razor to chop off his little pink soldier and stuff it in his biatchy pink mouth.

Then I'll high-tail to the nearest marina and high jack a pink cigarette craft and seek asylum in Cuba.

/The preceding is for entertainment value only and in is no way meant as a statement of fact or intention nor is legal tender for any debts, public or private.

//satire people
 
2012-04-03 10:10:55 AM

Hots_Kebabs: EMTs take head injuries seriously, that he wasn't transported to the hospital suggests to me that there was no head injury or that is was so minor that it required no more than a simple clean up. of course, this doesn't mean Zimmerman is lying but, to me, it makes his defense somewhat question able.


Still wondering about the broken nose that his father claims...don't those normally bleed like a motherfarker? Zimmerman must have had one of those Tide sticks for his shirt - they work wonders.

Then there's the mortician who says Trayon's hands looked fine. No split knuckles or swelling - the kind of things you'd expect when someone beats the shiat out of someone "for nearly a minute."

Funeral director: No injuries on Trayvon's hands --Funeral director: No injuries on slain teen Trayvon Martin's hands, knuckles --Gunshot wound appeared to be in upper chest area --Funeral director calls police investigation 'most unprofessional' he has ever seen 28 Mar 2012 The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin's body for burial told HLN's Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed the Florida teen. Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale said there appeared to be a gunshot wound in Martin's upper chest area, but he received the body after the autopsy was completed so it was difficult to tell whether he had other injuries. He also could not determine the bullet's entry or exit point.


I know - GAH NANCY GRACE - but still.
 
2012-04-03 10:14:13 AM

s2s2s2: Mattyb710: if Zimmerman had

And this is where it falls apart. What evidence is there that he did?


What evidence is there that he didn't?

Burden of proof falls on the prosecution, not the defense. If I'm accused of a crime and I say "I didn't do it" I don't have to prove I didn't do it. You have to prove I did. Until the evidence is released to the public we shouldn't be so quick to judge this guy either way.
 
2012-04-03 10:21:11 AM

dstrick44: dukwbutter
2012-04-03 02:30:19 AM
cleek: arrest the farker. make him prove his side of the story. it's the least he can do, given that he killed a kid after chasing him through the neighborhood for no goddamn reason at all.

Wow. Seriously? Are you so stupid that you don't understand how the law works? He doesn't have to prove he's innocent. The state has to prove he's guilty. You should learn some basic facts about the law before you start spouting off in a public form.

Maybe you should take a refresher for your law GED.
He's not innocent. He killed a kid. He's guilty of that. That's not in question. Now it's up to him to prove the killing was justified.
And that's how it should be. If you kill someone you get arrested. Period.
THEN, you get your day in court and you can prove your case that it was justified, self defense, insanity, a frameup...whatever.
But to get your day in court you must first get booked, Danno.


Yeah...how about no.

You do not have to prove yourself justified. The prosecution has to prove it was not justified.

Why are so many people so quick to scream that this guy has to prove his innocence? He doesn't. He is innocent. That's a fact. Until he is found guilty in court, he is innocent. This the cornerstone of our judicial system (theoretically).
 
2012-04-03 10:24:49 AM
The cuts on the back of his head justify deadly force. if somebody has your back in a street fight the chances of your death rise tenfold. what is so hard to understand about this?
 
2012-04-03 10:42:29 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH:
Surely, jumping him from behind, and smashing his head into the curb will show people that their views of black people being violent and intimidating are baseless. and the beat goes on.


Ha! If that truly happened.

Based on the layout of the complex where this took place, there was no place for the "thug" to hide if the shooter was following him. There was no curb where the body was found....just a sidewalk pathway. That scenario by Zimmerman is about as ridiculous as the thought of a grown man SCREAMING for help while being beat up by a teenager 100 pounds lighter than him if the grown man has a gun on him.

Now he is trying throw out the gun accidentally went off because once the professionals scrutize his story, its going to fall apart.
 
2012-04-03 11:05:46 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: The cuts on the back of his head justify deadly force. if somebody has your back in a street fight the chances of your death rise tenfold. what is so hard to understand about this?


How do you know that the fight was still going on when Zimmerman fired?
 
2012-04-03 11:08:49 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Close2TheEdge: Tell you what. If I was being stalked by some guy just for walking on the street, I'd probably take a swing at him too.

I know right? If anyone ever asks me a question on the street, I'm definitely going to jump on him and start wailing away.


Oh please. You know that's not a fair comparison to what happened here.
 
2012-04-03 11:24:28 AM
"Enhanced video evidence in Trayvon Martin case-"

You can have all the evidence, enhanced or otherwise, as it pertains to this case and it is absolutely immaterial. The present cultural disease ensured that the media had fixed in the public mind, probably within 48 hrs, a narrative they will believe until they die. What narrative? It depends not upon any evidence, but on the prejudices, predispositions, and passions of whoever learned about it. When I think "O. J. Simpson," all I remember is that white Bronco tooling down the freeway.......

"Because that's history: not what happened, but what people make themselves believe must have happened."

- Alistair Cooke
 
2012-04-03 11:28:57 AM
Zimmerman defenders, don't forget to teach your kid not to resist when dealing with strangers who follow them at night in the rain. Here's an acronym so they remember to DUCK.

Docile
Unquestioning
Cooperative
Kind
 
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